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Thorin
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posted 04-20-2002 08:51 AM
All right Bungo. I'm ticked. I was happily reading through the posts and thought "Size!" And then when I got to the next page I see you've already picked that. I'll have to be quicker.
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Lugbúrz
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posted 04-20-2002 10:49 AM
Bungo: Do we have proof from the Hobbit that Goblins are taller than dwarves or humans shorter than elves?
Ok here is what I had in mind: How fast these creatures can move on land. Now can someone tell me the next two?
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The Mighty Musnud
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posted 04-20-2002 10:08 PM
Hmmmmmm, well that could be any number of things. But I would say either Beorn, Wargs or Elves, Wargs
I can probably only pick one, so I'll go with the former.
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 04-21-2002 09:42 AM
I think that horses figure in there somewhere, but I cannot find a reference to say whether they are faster or slower than wolves.
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Lugbúrz
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posted 04-21-2002 02:21 PM
wargs/wolves is the last entry, but the penultimate is not correct. I don't have a comparison with horses either so I left it out.
This one requires a quote to remember.
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Thorin
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posted 04-22-2002 01:46 PM
I may be way off, but I remember Beorn telling the dwarves that "Wargs run faster than ponies ."
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Thorin
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posted 04-22-2002 02:57 PM
Yes, I bet that's it. That quote came when the dwarves were riding through the last grasslands before Mirkwood, and your little story had "reminiscing the green and interesting landscape they had left behind." The last two must be ponies, wargs.
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Lugbúrz
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posted 04-22-2002 03:19 PM
My good friend, you're up. We eagerly await the question from a long lost master. I see you haven't asked WGW for your old account as I suggested. I am sure he'll oblige.
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On an additional note to this question there is also a reference to the fastest orcs being able to run as fast as weasels. Which would mean that weasels could be included too. But I don't really know how they would compare to ponies so they were left out.
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Thorin
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posted 04-22-2002 03:29 PM
Lugburz, not to sound like an idiot, but how exactly would I contact WGW? Find a post from him somewhere and do a private message? I hated to bug him.
But back to the matter at hand. I like these off-the-wall questions, so I'll attempt one.
The year is 1968. Suddenly a bizarre rift occurs in the space/time/reality continum and the four members of the Beatles are sucked out of England and deposited into Thorin's Company in Middle Earth. Now, to keep the universe(s) in balance, George Martin is allowed to pluck four dwarves out of Middle Earth to take the place of the Beatles in their upcoming tour. Which four dwarves out of Thorin's Company are most likely to be chosen?
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Marcho Blackwood, MSS
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posted 04-22-2002 06:01 PM
Well, I'm not so sure this is an easy answer, cause some interpretation is necessary:
Bombur is the drummer, no question.
Thorin the harpist would be the logical one for the keyboards.
I would guess that Dwalin and Balin, being the Viola players would be closest to guitars, but Kili and Fili going from fiddle to guitars wouldn't be bad. I would take one of the viola players for bass and one fiddle player for guitar.
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Lugbúrz
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posted 04-22-2002 11:29 PM
That would be an easy way to do it Thorin. Finding a message of his in the Minas Tirith Announcements should be simple enough. Since only he can start a thread there.
This question rocks. Ouch.
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The Mighty Musnud
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posted 04-23-2002 07:54 AM
I would take Bombur on drums, Thorin on lead guitar, and Kili & Fili on backup guitars... ![[]](icon19.gif)
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Thorin
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posted 04-23-2002 08:15 AM
Too easy. Of course Bombur on drums and either Thorin, Balin, Dwalin, Fili, or Kili on the string instruments. Your go Marcho.
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Marcho Blackwood, MSS
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posted 04-25-2002 07:49 AM
My apologies for the delay, I guess I wasn't paying attention, but then, I'm so poor I can't pay attention, let alone my ISP bill!
How tall were goblins? I'm talking range, but an approximation can be made due to one specific incident in The Hobbit.
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The Mighty Musnud
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posted 04-25-2002 08:35 AM
I can't seem to find it now, but I recall reading something about very small goblins being around 3 feet tall. I would imagine that they could grow as tall or taller than dwarves. So I would say 3 to 5 feet. Is that too broad a range?
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Thorin
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posted 04-25-2002 10:39 AM
I remember Bilbo thinking that a tunnel passage was "a bit low for the big ones [goblins, orcs]." JRRT goes on to say that the big orcs of the mountains ran bent over. Since Bilbo was walking upright, they must be taller than the average hobbit.
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 04-25-2002 11:11 AM
Yes, and he says that the big ones ran stooped with their hands almost on the ground. This would come close to halving their hight, and given that their would be a bit of room left for them, I would say that they went up to six feet.
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Lugbúrz
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posted 04-25-2002 01:24 PM
Aha! Off to stand against the wall again. So who has the ruler and pencil this time, I wonder. This might be the broadest range we have had until now.
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 04-25-2002 01:38 PM
Bilbo's first thought in that situation was that it was a bit low for all goblins, so I think that we can say that even the small ones were probably bigger than the hobbit. From this, I'd pin a lowest height of more like three and a half to four feet (I would put Bilbo closer to four feet than three).
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Marcho Blackwood, MSS
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posted 04-25-2002 01:44 PM
I love a good discussion! All are valid points, but there is one other item provided by the good professor that brought this matter of size to mind.
I think the range is likely to be rather large. Remember how we figured out how tall Beorn was?
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Thorin
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posted 04-25-2002 02:59 PM
Here's a couple clues that came to my mind, but I am not able to put them all together to come up with a definitive answer.
1) When they were trying to get away from the wargs, Bilbo couldn't climb the trees since he was too short to reach the branches, but it states that the goblins could climb them.
2) We've talked about the passage being "a bit low" for the goblins.
3) When Bilbo escaped Gollum in the same passage, he jumped "seven feet forward and three in the air , and only barely missed cracking his skull.
Maybe this could help someone to come up with a range.
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 04-25-2002, 03:08 PM
I was considering the combination of 2) and 3) earlier, but I don't see why the ceiling height should be the same in two instances.
Edit: it refers to the passage which he deems too low for the goblins as a 'new tunnel'. Added to which, he thought that the dwarven tunnel "five feet high" was very big; if this was more than six feet (as it would need to be for his jump) he would hardly think of it as 'low'. In addition, it was pitch black (after leaving the light of Gollum's eyes) and so he would have needed to feel the roof of the passage.
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Thorin
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posted 04-25-2002 03:55 PM
When Bilbo goes into the new passage, he descibes it as "low." I assume this means it is lower than the one he was in previously.
PS Yes, I finally discovered my old account, buried away in ancient posts. Now I won't look like a newbie!
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Lugbúrz
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posted 04-25-2002 04:10 PM
![[]](icon54.gif) Welcome back Thorin!! ![[]](icon8.gif)
Oh. You're both the same person. ![[]](icon28.gif)
Good for you.
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Marcho Blackwood, MSS
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posted 04-26-2002 03:19 PM
Okay, no one seems to be digging for it! Funny that the individual with whom a height relationship can be established is mentioned on another thread in the board.
Do I spill it?
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