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Cernunnos
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posted 10-16-2001 11:55 AM
Gd guess, Mudnutts, but not on the gold.
Clue: this is the only book I've ever seen the word used in.
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Cernunnos
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posted 10-16-2001 11:56 AM
Although JRRT didn't invent it.
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Marcho Blackwood, MSS
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posted 10-16-2001 12:39 PM
Are you looking for 'an idle toss-pot?'
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Cernunnos
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posted 10-16-2001 12:46 PM
That's the very chappie, Mr Darkforest! Your turn.
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Marcho Blackwood, MSS
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posted 10-16-2001 01:57 PM
Thank you, Lord of the Stag!
On what date (month, day and day of the week) did Thrain leave the mountain?
You may provide the year if you want to work it out, but requires using LotR, so cannot be determined strictly from The Hobbit.
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 10-16-2001 02:25 PM
There's the bit when Gandalf says that Thrain went away 'on the twenty-first of April, a hundred years ago last thursday'. We know from LotR that in the Shire calender, which day of the week falls a particular date is does not change from year to year, so it would have been Thursday the twenty-first of April. However, I'm not sure whether this is when he went away from the mountain or from somewhere else.
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Marcho Blackwood, MSS
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posted 10-16-2001 03:26 PM
That's what I was looking for, TL!
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 10-16-2001 04:15 PM
Well, it's not brilliant, but
Give as complete a description of the carrock and its immediate surroundings (including compass points for these, where possible) as possible.
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Marcho Blackwood, MSS
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posted 10-19-2001, 08:34 AM
Breaking this up into a few paragraphs to closer approximate the original layout:
But cropping out of the ground, right in the path of the stream which looped itself about it, was a great rock, almost a hill of stone, like a last outpost of the distant mountains, or a huge piece cast miles into the plain by some giant among giants.
The water was too deep and strong beyond the rock to cross.
There was a flat space on the top of the hill of stone and a well worn path with many steps leading down it to the river, across which a ford of huge flat stones led to the grass-land beyond the stream. There was a little cave (a wholesome one with a pebbly floor) at the foot of the steps and near the end of the stony ford.
It is easy enough to get from this bank to the Carrock by the ford, but on the other side is a cliff standing up from a swirling channel.
North of the Carrock the edge of Mirkwood drew closer to the borders of the Great River, and though here the Mountains too drew down nearer, for at a place a few days' ride due north of the Carrock was the gate of a little-known pathway through Mirkwood that led almost straight towards the Lonely Mountain.
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 10-19-2001 11:11 AM
Good, but there's another part which describes it further...
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Marcho Blackwood, MSS
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posted 10-19-2001 11:30 AM
I've quoted everything I could find!
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 10-19-2001 11:32 AM
Then you haven't looked hard enough.
It's not from when they're actually there.
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 10-25-2001 12:15 PM
Ok; I'll hand over to Marcho. I thought that you'd missed out a signifigant section, but actually I was just expecting aa few more words on the depth of the river around it. Sorry.
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Marcho Blackwood, MSS
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posted 10-25-2001 03:26 PM
TL -> And I thought I'd really missed something big!
Okay, here we go with the old Middle English again:
I looked up a word from The Hobbit the other day and discovered that it didn't mean what I thought it meant, not only that, but the word can, according to some dictionaries, be misspelled in the book. It is spelled one way in some dictionaries and another in others. One spelling will give a definition that refers to a type of bird of prey. For all these years I had thought the word was a synonym for 'lath,' but I was incorrect. Given the context, the correct definition has to be 'a glowing coal.'
What is the word?
This may really sound obtuse, but there are at least two ways of finding the answer relatively easily using the information above.
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 10-25-2001 06:07 PM
Gledes?
What were the two methods you had for finding the answer?
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I think I'm right, but I'm not certain, so I'm waiting for confirmation. If I am, you'll have a question in the morning.
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Marcho Blackwood, MSS
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posted 10-25-2001, 07:38 PM
I am awed! Well done, TL!
Most of the sources spell the word as Gleeds, with a couple referring to the earlier Gledes.
My two methods:
Search throught The Hobbit for things about fire, particularly the biggest one of them.
Do a search on "glowing coal" and "Middle English" will get several hits.
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 10-26-2001 06:15 AM
I found it by sticking the text of The Hobbit in Word, and then using the spellchecker.
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What is the most extreme weather which we know existed in ME?
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Marcho Blackwood, MSS
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posted 10-26-2001 08:23 AM
Wow! Using the spellchecker would have found it all right, but the patience it takes to wade through all the elvish and names just to get there! I bow to your perseverance!
TL, where you perhaps referring to the Thunder-battle?
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You know how terrific a really big thunderstorm can be down in the land and in a river-valley; especially at times when two great thunderstorms meet and clash. More terrible still are thunder and lightning in the mountains at night, when storms come up from East and West and make war. The lightning splinters on the peaks, and rocks shiver, and great crashes split the air and go rolling and tumbling into every cave and hollow; and the darkness is filled with overwhelming noise and sudden light.
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 10-26-2001 01:29 PM
Once you've passed a name once, you can tell it to ignore all future occurences of the name. It was a bit of a cheap way of finding the answer (and still took 15 minutes), but I couldn't think of anything else.
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Your answer to my question is debatable, which is my fault for setting an ambiguous question. I would, however, stand by the answer which I had in mind; a different one to that which you give.
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Marcho Blackwood, MSS
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posted 10-26-2001 02:50 PM
How about the storm that arrives with the goblins and wargs at the Battle of the Five Armies? that seemed pretty fierce.
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Aiwrendel
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posted 10-26-2001 06:52 PM
...the Fell Winter of 1311, when the white wolves invaded the Shire over the frozen Brandywine?
Edited to italicize the quote.
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 10-27-2001 06:31 AM
This will teach me to set trivia questioons again in a hurry.
I suppose that either of you could go now, or you can carry on looking for the reference which I had in mind.
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Marcho Blackwood, MSS
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posted 10-27-2001 07:27 AM
Well, this is one of those judgement calls, but I want to know what the other one is, I've only found the two big storms I've listed, though the first one goes on with the mountain giants hurling stones.
I should remind Aiwrendel that this is The Hobbit trivia, so answers from LotR don't count!
And I'm still trying to find out if there is another type of Storm out there, such as Gandalf's fury rose like a storm unlike anything ever seen in Middle Earth!
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 10-27-2001 09:18 AM
It doesn't exactly refer to an actual stormm, but it's direct speech.
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Marcho Blackwood, MSS
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posted 10-30-2001 07:56 AM
Well, perhaps you are referring to the arrow-storm that Smaug had to fly through over Laketown?
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