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Topic: Trivia(Archive1)
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Lugbúrz
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posted 03-01-2002 07:47 PM
"Humph!"
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Tenchi
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posted 03-01-2002 09:45 PM
You are looking for every listed 'last' in TH? Or perhaps a certain event in which 'lasts' occured?
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Bungo
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posted 03-01-2002 10:59 PM
Yikes, this question is a real can of worms. I know how you feel, Lugbürz, when a question backfires on you.
Here's my measley list, and then I'm taking cover! I leave it open to any of you to take a crack at the next question.
Gandalf-arriving at Bilbo's party.
Dori-twice with Bilbo in the Goblin mountain.
Bombur-arriving at Beorn's, saved from spiders, getting to the ledge (doorstep), with Balin at the enchanted river.
Dwalin-with Bombur at enchanted river.
Balin-with Bilbo leaving Laketown.
Beorn-at the battle.
Bilbo-entering the Goblin hall, with Dori in the Goblin mountain, into the trees with wolves, waking up at Beorn's, into the Elvenking's cave, with Balin leaving Laketown, and arriving at the auction of his property.
This was such an unweildy question, I tried three times to devise a way of answering all your replies, and couldn't. So, thank you all for playing. I hope you enjoy the door prizes. Please come again.
Your turn. ![[]](icon35.gif)
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Tenchi
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posted 03-02-2002 12:02 AM
Ah, my first turn! Here it is:
Splendour is humbled in song. Whose splendour?
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 03-02-2002 04:19 AM
Whose could it possibly be apart from that of Smaug the unassessably wealthy?
What sport(s) were the dwarves familiar with?
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Lugbúrz
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posted 03-02-2002 04:38 AM
Football for sure... (Thorin [May his sword shine so true] was very upset with those playful giants for some reason...)
Bungo, your question was most superb. I shall always think of complimenting people in dwarvish terms from now on. May your questions come more often. And yes I shall consider coming to China with a little less fear.
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Bungo
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posted 03-02-2002 04:53 AM
Lugbürz, may your flattery be like the fleas of a thousand camels. ![[]](wink.gif)
Speaking of dwarves, I just saw LOTR again today, and Gimli just keeps getting better, as does the whole movie! Wow!
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 03-02-2002 05:30 AM
Football is the only one which I had found, so the turn passes once more unto that most forbidding of towers.
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Lugbúrz
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posted 03-02-2002 06:07 AM
Due to recent election debacles I have decided of course to choose a question which cannot fail me. Cowardly though this may sound, it will provide me with a chance to taste true oriental cuisine.
Learning from those many falls, which may I add were most helpful, I have decided to emulate the many skills present within this room. If I fail on this occasion (I am sure everyone will want to know whether this question is valid in the first place) again then the blame will lie on all of you for letting me play.
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This question requires a little background: during the good old days of merry making in college many a romantic would look into the night sky and in one of the many merry states spot a UFO. All the other surrounding merry people would scoff and laugh at the merriness around them. But occasionaly there would be present a sympathetic shoulder who would, for reasons known only to oneself, voice support.
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That much having been said, here is the question:
Bilbo and all the dwarves (except Thorin, Fili and Kili, may their souls rest in peace ) were taking a walk on a starry night after much merry making. They were very spirited and talking of Smaug and making fun of his haughty mannerisms, when suddenly Bilbo cried out aloud and told the others that he had seen a dragon in the sky. All the dwarves (almost) of course laughed it off and said that Smaug was the last of the dragons of their world. Bilbo was very upset and insisted that it was a dragon he had seen. One dwarf spoke up and said that indeed there were still dragons in the world.
Who was this?
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Bungo: How nice! I too saw the movie again last night. And I noticed something relevant to the Hobbit. If you remember when Gandalf comes to Bilbo's house on the fateful Wednesday, Bilbo offers him tea, but Gandalf politely asks for red wine.
In the movie, when Gandalf arrives at Bilbo's house Bilbo offers him wine of the best vintage and Gandalf politely asks for tea!!
Wonder why Peter Jackson did this ![[]](smile.gif)
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Marcho Blackwood, MSS
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posted 03-02-2002 09:21 AM
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On silver necklaces they strung
The light of stars, on crowns they hung
The dragon-fire, from twisted wire
The melody of harps they wrung.
The only other dragon I'm aware of is The Green Dragon whose sign is likely to be above a party of merrymakers in Hobbiton.
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Lugbúrz
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posted 03-02-2002 02:56 PM
Let us assume to have known that this merry dwarf did not voice mock support.
Somewhere in the Hobbit one can find this dwarf to have said something which could be taken to imply that he felt there were more dragons in this world.
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Marcho Blackwood, MSS
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posted 03-02-2002 06:13 PM
Hmmm, methinks the question asker has inadvertantly provided a hint in his first post on this page.
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Gloin speaking: "Humph!" (or some snort more or less like that). "Will he do, do you think? It is all very well for Gandalf to talk about this hobbit being fierce, but one shriek like that in a moment of excitement would be enough to wake the dragon and all his relatives, and kill the lot of us."
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Bungo
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posted 03-02-2002 07:52 PM
Lugbürz, that's a cool film reference about wine and tea! I imagine Jackson did it as an inside joke for fans like you and me! And also to establish age and time re: Bilbo.
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Lugbúrz
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posted 03-02-2002 10:36 PM
The inadvertant comment was recollecting one of Musnud's WST questions. ![[]](icon54.gif)
If that actually helped you in any way whatsoever Marcho, I will have to speak in code from now on... ![[]](icon8.gif)
Your question is awaited with inexplicably eager anticipation. ![[]](icon14.gif)
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Bungo: Peter Jackson rules, just when I thought I had saturated after watching the movie 5 times, I feel like I can see it many more, just like when I play this game I know I will love to read th book many many times more. ![[]](icon22.gif)
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People, points to note:
1.The question was at least sensible.
2.It took two replies from Marcho himself. ![[]](icon10.gif)
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Marcho Blackwood, MSS
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posted 03-03-2002 08:23 AM
It was an excellent question! The type I try to emulate myself. It will take me a bit to figure out the next one, look for it this evening.
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Marcho Blackwood, MSS
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posted 03-03-2002 06:17 PM
How tall were dwarves? Not a specific height, but a range and the facts that support your information.
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Lugbúrz
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posted 03-03-2002 07:06 PM
Here's what I have, I think it gets a minimum and a maximum, so to speak in stupid scientific terms...
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They are (or were) a little people, about half our height, and smaller than the bearded Dwarves
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'Five feet high the door and three may walk abreast' say the runes
This one described the secret door (perhaps gives an idea of their girth too )
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and Bilbo was wearing a dark-green hood (a little weather-stained) and a dark-green cloak borrowed from Dwalin. They were too large for him, and he looked rather comic.
That's the last I have.
So going from reason, my guess would be
greater than 3 feet (knowing hobbits were around 3 feet tall and that too ones on the taller side)
and less than 5 feet (from the door)
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Marcho Blackwood, MSS
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posted 03-03-2002 08:10 PM
Well done, Lugbúrz! Those are exactly the two measurements I had in mind in making up the question.
Based on those, I would guess that they provided at least a 3" clearance for their heads and allowance for helmets. I figure a really tall hobbit and a short dwarf would be pretty close to the same height at about 3' 9" to 4'
When you really get down to it, they are all pretty short! Most 5th grade humans are taller than hobbits and the height of a dwarf! My daughters, eleven years old, would crack their heads on the top of the passage described.
Your go, Lugbúrz!
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Lugbúrz
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posted 03-03-2002 08:30 PM
Of course the business of clearing, would definitely place the height closer to 4' 6".
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Ok this question takes after the excellent question by Marcho about dwarvish magic. Let us for this question assume that all the arguments presented for that one were indeed instances to show that dwarves could do magic.
Here is the question
What source(s) in the Hobbit would tell you that if you were keen on getting a spell to work, you wouldn't really go to a dwarf unless you had no choice?
Let us also assume that a dwarf would in fact try to help you out if you did ask for his magic (which does sound very optimistic ![[]](icon53.gif) )
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Bungo, if I were The Laurenendôrian, I would be very upset with you right now. But of course I am far more lax about spellings
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Bungo
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posted 03-03-2002 08:52 PM
Óóps. Í séé whát yóú méán, Lugbúrz. Í'm trúly sórry.
Bængæ
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Marcho Blackwood, MSS
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posted 03-04-2002 03:39 PM
I'm very pressed for time, but I recall that the Dwarves used "bits of spells of opening" when attempting to open the back door to the dragon's cave, indicating that they didn't even know the full spell.
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Lugbúrz
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posted 03-04-2002 04:00 PM
I have to go for a class now so short reply. That was definitely something I was hoping for as part of the answer. I am also looking for something that might tell us that perhaps even the dwarves of old (in terms of the Hobbit) were not very good in their magic.
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Lugbúrz
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posted 03-04-2002 07:26 PM
Ok I had two references for this question.
1. Dwarves not being able to remember spells
2. Their spells not working very well (this assumes that the spells on the harps were by the dwarves)
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Here is the quote clearing the earlier mess by me about the map question
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North of the Carrock the edge of Mirkwood drew closer to the borders of the Great River, and though here the Mountains too drew down nearer, Beorn advised them to take this way; for at a place a few days' ride due north of the Carrock was the gate of a little-known pathway through Mirkwood that led almost straight towards the Lonely Mountain.
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Lugbúrz
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posted 03-05-2002 12:43 PM
So everybody is too busy ![[]](frown.gif)
Ok first of all let me present proof that Marcho had asked for long back: how do we know who made the harps:
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Goblets they carved there for themselves
And harps of gold; where no man delves
So let us take that the harps were made by the dwarves.
Now what I am looking for is proof that all those magical harps were not in perfect shape. So if perhaps the dwarves had searched for all of them one or two may have struck the seventh harmonic.
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List of light sources being compiled due to free time
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Lugbúrz
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posted 03-06-2002 02:50 PM
We need a roll call!
The line I'm looking for is in verse.
I don't want to hold up this thread if this question is boring everyone so please let me know. We were going at a great tempo before this ![[]](icon34.gif)
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