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Musnud
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posted 02-21-2002 08:09 AM
What gift(s) did Bilbo receive from Elrond?
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Marcho Blackwood
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posted 02-21-2002 02:52 PM
Well, if borrowing counts, and in this case I suspect it does because I have never expected to get one back, a red silk handkerchief.
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Musnud
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posted 02-21-2002 04:26 PM
Correct, Marcho.
You have the floor...
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Marcho Blackwood
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posted 02-21-2002 08:37 PM
In The Hobbit, how do we know that Dwarves could actually do magic?
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Bungo
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posted 02-21-2002 10:14 PM
Without having my not-so-mint condition year-old paperback with me again, I'd say it's because their harps were still in tune after all those years in the Lonely Mountain. And who else but the dwarves could have put that spell on them?
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 02-22-2002 04:56 AM
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As they sang the hobbit felt the love of beautiful things made by hands and by cunning and by magic moving through him, a fierce and a jealous love, the desire of the hearts of the dwarves.
Perhaps this will suffice, but then again, perhaps it won't.
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Marcho Blackwood
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posted 02-22-2002 09:26 AM
Bungo
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Because their harps were still in tune after all those years in the Lonely Mountain. And who else but the dwarves could have put that spell on them?
But we don't know who made the harps! Elves? Dwarves? Wizards?
The Laurenendôrian
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As they sang the hobbit felt the love of beautiful things made by hands and by cunning and by magic moving through him, a fierce and a jealous love, the desire of the hearts of the dwarves.
Similar, we don't know if the things made by magic and lusted over by the dwarves were made by their kindred or some other entity.
There is a specific line in The Hobbit that refers to dwarves and their ability to do magic. (There is one in the LotRs that is similar to the two above, but again, I've only found one actual reference to dwarven magic!)
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Bungo
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posted 02-22-2002 06:28 PM
How about all the spells they put on the trolls' hoard of stuff? 'They' being plural.
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Marcho Blackwood
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posted 02-23-2002 08:00 AM
Wow! Hadn't spotted that one. It is accepted that hobbits don't do magic, so the use of the word 'they' must mean Gandalf and one or more of the dwarves, so then there are two specific instances of dwarves using magic! Perhaps this thread should be in the library section!
You're on the right track, Bungo! I like these type of questions because it forces you to read things that some people skip over (I do)! If you remember my question about Bannacks from a few months back, perhaps that will be a hint!
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Bungo
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posted 02-23-2002 08:36 AM
Hahaha. Those gloaming bannacks and hops!
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Marcho Blackwood
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posted 02-24-2002 07:30 AM
Okay, no guesses for 24 hours, so here's a hint: It isn't in the prose.
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Lugbúrz
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posted 02-24-2002 07:43 AM
This is only owing to the hint provided. I started reading the poems and this one appears very early:
The dwarves of yore made mighty spells ,
While hammers fell like ringing bells
In places deep, where dark things sleep,
In hollow halls beneath the fells.
I read the trivia threads very regularly and am especially attached to the Hobbit.
If I am wrong, then no problem ![[]](icon23.gif)
If I am correct I believe I am not knowledgable enough to carry on this fine spree. Bungo should be the one to post.
Thanks for the great reading this thread makes ![[]](icon14.gif)
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 02-24-2002 10:57 AM
A brilliant question!
No need to even pick up the book, and yet we couldn't get it without extensive hints.
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The really depressing thing is that I read through that poem the other day looking for a reference, but didn't notice it!
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Marcho Blackwood
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posted 02-24-2002 12:08 PM
Spot on, Lugbúrz! In fact, the identical verse also appears late in the book, when the Dwarves are waiting prior to the Battle of the Five Armies.
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Bungo
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posted 02-24-2002 05:06 PM
You honour me with your suggestion, Lugbúrz, but I'd rather read one of your questions! I don't mean to flatter you, but the name Lugbúrz has come to mean 'this will be another good post' in my mind. Ask any trivia question you like. ![[]](icon46.gif)
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Lugbúrz
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posted 02-24-2002 10:26 PM
Bungo: Your intentions apart, I am flattered ![[]](icon53.gif) vAlthough I'd hope my name still reminds you of the most awesome structure of Middle Earth.
But maybe the Hobbit is the correct place for me to enter the Trivia threads. I am very fond of it.
Here is a question, which I hope will at least last longer than a single reply, or I will fall short of the faith you show:
Where in The Hobbit would you find a reference that suggests that one would trust a sibling's word?
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 02-25-2002 07:55 AM
And you claim that you are not knowledgable enough to post good trivia questions! It is an excellent question, and one to which I shall chance a guess. Is it that you refer to Beorn's words in explanation of why he did not trust them initially? For I believe that he refers to 'knowing someone as well as your brother'.
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Lugbúrz
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posted 02-25-2002 01:00 PM
And I knew the answer would lie in the first reply. I shall try harder next time but I am in the game.
Back to the Laur ![[]](icon28.gif)
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Lugbúrz
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posted 02-25-2002 01:30 PM
Here's the quote:
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...you would take the word of no one that you did not know as well as your brother or better.
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 02-25-2002 01:31 PM
And very pleased we are to have you in it.
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Well, my question is probably another one where we'll argue over the answer, but...
What in the book could be interpreted as implying that dwarves live longer than elves?
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Lugbúrz
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posted 02-25-2002 02:00 PM
I am bringing up an older question by Marcho, which was about the word "gloaming" but was left out because he could not find it in some editions at the location he had spotted it. Here is one location I have spotted it at and I by no means have anything but the latest edition
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This looks like a different location than what Marcho quotes. I am looking for a verification from him:
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Than silver in treasure:
The fire is more shining
On hearth in the gloaming
This is from The Last Stage and is in a verse.
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Musnud
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posted 02-25-2002 04:58 PM
Okay. This is kind of a stretch, but in "A Thief in the Night," when Bilbo visits with Bard, the Elvenking, and Gandalf, Bilbo says that Thorin "is quite ready to sit on a heap of gold and starve..."
He goes on to say that "before long we will be having snow and what not, and supplies will be difficult -- even for elves I imagine."
You could use this to say that an elf would starve to death before a dwarf would.
So whaddya say? Too much of a stretch? ![[]](icon48.gif)
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Bungo
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posted 02-25-2002 06:04 PM
This really is a tough one, since we know that dwarves certainly do not live longer than elves. So the answer must be a misunderstanding in that sense. I'm betting that you don't get a cigar for your attempt there, Musnud. But you are still better than the rest of us dolts who haven't thought of anything yet. ![[]](icon56.gif)
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Bungo
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posted 02-25-2002 06:40 PM
I don't suppose the answer is found in the Rivendell elves saying, "Don't dip your beard in the foam, father!" ie: 'father' implies someone who is older than you are.
Okay, it's a stretch. ![[]](icon26.gif)
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Marcho Blackwood
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posted 02-25-2002, 07:51 PM
Lug! Nice spot! I missed that one and I did a search for it, too!
Wow! Tough question up now, I'm looking but not finding a good reference. The only thing I have to contribute so far, is the length of time dragons live on their hoards in relation to the life of the dragons.
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