American Patriot & Politician
1722 - 1803
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
That is NOT True and there is no doubt whatsoever about this Fact because
It seems that on the 28 January 2015 - 08:37 AM someone calling themselves
Started by jknox65 , Jan 28 2015 08:37 AM
And asked This Question
Posted 28 January 2015 - 08:37 AM
I was wondering if motions that had passed during a previous Executive boards rein, do these carry over to the new presiding officers? Do motions bind the hands of a new body after an election? I would thing by-law changes would but I am uncertain about motions?
Can someone advise and reference where it may or may not support the expunging of previous sessions passed motions?
For those who might not Know RONR Stands for
Roberts Rules of Order Newly Revised
That is THE Officlal Roberts Rules of Order Website.
The Holy Grail. The Fount from which flows ALL recognized Parlaimentary Procedure.
An Emphatic and Resounding NO.
One even posted the page in Roberts Rules of Order 11th Edition where the NO might be found.
"Unless an adopted main motion specifies a time for the termination of its effect, it continues in force until it is rescinded." (RONR 11th ed., p. 111, ** footnote)
It is obvious that I am taking the position that the above jkox65 is the sqme person as the LCRCC's Webmaster James Knox.
Some might disagree, and like those who excused Mr Knox accidental attempt to Vote point out that there might be OTHER people besides him with the Username of jknox65
That IS possible, So despite being the Technological Dinosaur that I am purported to be I GOOGLED the Username jknox 65 and found
I I I
I think we have a probability approaching Unity that the jknox65 on the RONR Discussion Forum, the Refounding Father Society and the Webmaster of the LCRCC James Knox are all the same person.
Now I must point out that this does not mean that the Chair and the Rest of the Exective Committee Lied to the Body
But a Valid Question would be
What did they Know and WHEN did they know it.
We know that on the moring of Janurary 28th of this year Mr Knox knew full well that the claim made that
• Under Roberts Rules of Order committees and motions passed during the previous cycle expire
Another Valid question would be WHERE did the concept that the above WAS true originate?
If it came from Mr Knox then I believe he should NEVER be allowed to be in ANY position of Responsibilty UNSUPERVISED
If it came from one of the persons from whom Parliamentarian advice was claimed then they should NOT ever be used as Parliamentarians again,
I think this goes way beyond a simple mistake or misinterpretation.
I have not the slightest doubt that Mr Chung would never in a thousand years allow something like this to slip by him HAD he been involved,
In conclusion I know not what others may think but the Executive Committee has a severe credibility gap with me and some things to explain at our Next Meeting
Again I just don't understand why someone would lie about something anyone can bring up on a computer and see.
In the Spirit of the Last Shall be First let us look at that last Statement• The Chair explained that the Iowa Code, the Republican Party Constitution and Bylaws and theLinn County Republican Party Constitution and the Linn County Republican Party Bylaws requirethat the committee re-organize by April 1st following each general election.• Under Roberts Rules of Order committees and motions passed during the previous cycle expire.• The Chair explained that David Chung, Paul Pelletier and Richard Bice had been contactedin regard to parliamentarian review.
• The Chair explained that David Chung, Paul Pelletier and Richard Bice had been contactedin regard to parliamentarian review.
I call something like this a "Michael Moore" because it leads those who hear or read it to think one thing, but if pressed the author can honestly(?) claim that is not what they said at all.
So you know me what do you think?Do you think I gave a definitive ruling?But if I had I would have been man enough to be there to defend it.
Now as to their claims that all this was required?
They are based on the Sections of the Constitution and the Bylaws that discuss the OFFICERS
And in fact discuss the requirements for organizing the Officer's elections before April 1st following each General Election.
If they referred to a massive overhaul of the Committee then this would be mentioned in the Section on the Commitee
The officers of this Central Committee shall be a chairman, co-chairman, secretary and
treasurer, and such other members as the County Central Committee in its by-laws may
provide. The Central committee shall organize following each general election, but no later
than the following April 1.
The officers of the Central Committee shall consist of a Cahir, Co-Chair, Secretary and
Treasurer whose terms shall be for a period of two (2) years and the same shall be elected
immediately following each general election, but no later than the following April 1.
They also mentioned Sections of the State Constitution and Bylaws and Election Code but were lacking on details
But they DID follow a Pattern of Behavior that we have seen before
We have a CRISIS we MUST ACT NOW in this case before April 1st
OH and one of the Foremost Parliamentarians in the State Says we HAVE to do this or OMG The SKY WILL FALL.
That last bit was as True this time as it has been True other times it has been used in point of Fact
Not True At All
If your vote the Night of the St Patrick's Day Massacre when 4 years of hard work and every single Sub-Committee we had established and all the members of those Committees went down the tube.
Was swayed because you BELIEVED that one of the Foremost Parliamentarians in the State of Iowa Said that this was REQUIRED?
YOU GOT PLAYED
But they did everything from the BEST of Intentions because we all SO need Guidance
So when I heard that people were making "assumptions" about their Right to Vote under the New Team System
I decided to take a look at it.
I am of course refering to the Plan thet is contained in Missing March Minutes.
This sub-committee needs five voting members, including the chair. Although it is expected that other sub-committee chairs would attend the meetings and any central committee members have any interest in the proceeding from the committee, they would not be voting members
I suggest it might not be Wise to ASSUME who is or is not going to be allowed to Vote.
There exists the possiblity that Voting may be limited to only 5 members on a Team who for the most part would be those hand picked by the Ones who made this motion,.
And the Rest?
Would be what the Nomenklatura in the Former Soviet Union used to call
Those who get to do the Work, but have No Real Say in How Things Are Run
Now I am NOT saying that we need to ASK for clarification on this point.
What I am saying is that the BODY needs to clarify this point
After this Plan was adopted by it's Vote of 25 to 21 the Plan became the Property of the Body and NOT those who made the Motion
The Teams are under the Authority of the Body.
And the Executive Committee which made this Motion?
No Change IT is
subject to the orders of the Linn County Central Committee, and none of its acts shall conflict with actions of the Linn County Central Committee
That's an Old Familiar Story. One that I have a fair amount of experience with.
There are those who will actually engage you on Field of Ideas. They come wielding the armor of Logic and ths Sword of Reason
Now their Logic may be flawed and their Reason may be Blind but they are at least honorable Foes.
Then there are the Others.
Those whose goals are Power and Control, They wish mostly to Silence any Voices raised in Disagreement with them.
Rober Heinlein stated it most aptly when he said "
Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire
The methods used to encourage Silence may vary but the process is used by Some on All Sides of the Political Spectrum.
In recent weeks those methods have included.
An attempt to Steal My Identity and request that the Web Server Host where my website resides Cancel my Account. They lacked enough of my personal information so that failed,
There was a report to Facebook of Suspicous Activity on My Facebook Account so I had to fill out a form Affirming that the Financial Means used to buy Facebook Ads were my Own and i had to submit to them a Jpg of a Government Issued Color Photo Id to verify that I am indeed A US Citizen,.
Still have not heard back from Facebook on that little Deal
And of course there was the Famous Letter sent to me by Tah Dah
A Real Republican
In an envelope though the post office,
Not sure why they just didn't email it to me there are ways to send Anonymous Emails,
I wonder if maybe the Letter is supposed to hint
We know who you are and We know where you Live?
But that is a YAWN
Other people who do not like my Poltical Ideas know where I live and have in the Past also expressed their displeasure with what I stand for,
During the McCain Palin Campaign I lost count of the number of times I had to straighten out the legs and put my signs back up in my front yard.
This happened over and over.
Then one day I woke up and while I had been sleeping my signs had been mangled again and two windows had been smashed out in my car
I put my signs back up and had the windows replacec,
Sometime later I came home from work and found my signs mangled and the porch light hanging from the wires. Someone had ripped it loose from the Wall
I put my signs back up and told my Landlord and he fixed the porch light.
Then one Day I can out of my house and my Landlords who are also my next door neighbors hollered out that someone had ripped the downspout off the house and threw it in the front yard by my mangled signs
It was now up agains the house my Landlord said at the time he was going to wait until after the Election to fix it,.
I put my signs back up.
Did I mention I can be stubborn?
There are one distinct difference between those who harassed me then and now.
I have no earhtly idea who the first people were.
While I do not know for certain who this latest group are I can make some guesses.
One of those who I might suspect put a comment on the LCRCC Facebook Group site saying how he wished HE had written the harassing letter sent to me.
What a fool writes a blog and complains about a group he claims to be of but opposes at every opportunity to do so.
Unless maybe the comment was an April Fools Joke?
In any event there are also some similarities between the two groups
They both wrap themselves in a Self Assumed Cloak of Moral Superiority and their morals admit the same stench that once upon a time came from Brown Shirts
They also liked to silence those who disagreed with them.
Update: I just remembered there is a THIRD group that really hates me.
Quite some time I logged onto a discussion board and found out that i had been informed that
There are now Hundreds of the Faithful Praying to Allah (PBUH) on a Daily Basis that your Soul be Ripped Shrieking from your Body by the Angel of Darkness and Thrown Into the Bottomless Pit of Endless Torment for All Eternity.
Now it is much shorter than my recent letter but I think they got their point accross just as well.
So it would appear that there exists an Ecumenical Silence Dan Kauffman Movement possibly comprised of Evangelical Protestants, Catholics, Jihadist Muslims and Secular Huminist Atheists.
I seem to have rubbed everyone the wrong way
The Truth will do that.
Recently I ran into an intesting comment or two about Trolls
Now some might come to the erroneous assumption that the butt of this joke might be me, but that cannot be true at all.
The caricature that comes with it does not look anything like me.
No beard, No hair and a big smirk on its face?
Nope nothing like me but there is someone who that does look like,
Then there is this part " the "political or religious troll'
.'there is no rules as these type of trolls are irrational,
emotional and self-supporting without reason'"
That does not apply either,
I am not Irrational or without Reason.
When I have stated that the Constitution of the LCRCC has been violated I can and HAVE stated the specific sections that have been violated and the instances where not just the Spirit but the WORD of the Constitution has been violated and by whom.
When I have stated that the By Laws of the LCRCC has been violated I can and HAVE stated the specific sections that have been violated and the instances where not just the Spirit but theWORD of the Constitution has been violated and by whom.
I used Reason and was Rational when I pointed out those perversions of our Rules of Order.
My detractors, however are limited to unsupported assertions,
For instance in the continuing saga of the Constitutional and Unconstitutional Leaders of our New Marketing & PR Team
One Team Leader was created by a Vote of the Central Committee in Session,
The Other? Well I do not think they have EVER stated the Legal Authority used to remove one Team Leader and replace them with another,
Instead they just make as I said unsupported assertions,
We can see that in some of the latest email exchanges
From: Justin Wasson <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: April 9, 2015 at 8:19:51 AM CDT
To: Cindy Golding <email@example.com>, Robin Tucker <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Cc: Mike Dupree <email@example.com>, Gary Ellis <firstname.lastname@example.org>, Brett Mason <email@example.com>
Subject: RE: Membership meeting 4/14
Please reference the attached document which was voted on by the body of the central committee. This document clearly shows me being the team leader. I have not resigned from this position and have shown clear intent to fill this position.
The official meeting for Membership and Meeting Setup has been called for tonight at Godfather's at 6:30. Anyone is welcome to attend.
Please quit trying to confuse this issue. I am attempting to fulfill the will of the body, but have been faced with constant obstacles.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 08:17:46 -0400
To: firstname.lastname@example.org; email@example.com
CC: firstname.lastname@example.org; email@example.com; firstname.lastname@example.org
Subject: Re: Membership meeting 4/14
Robin (& Justin),
There is no misunderstanding here - Justin is not the team lead of Membership.
Therefore, the meeting tonight will be viewed and treated as a gathering of like-minded friends. It will not replace nor usurp the authority of the meeting on 4/14. We've been down this road before with another committee last September.
There is only one position left on the team. If Justin would like to recommend an individual to Mike or if someone would like to volunteer to Mike, that's wonderful. The 4 individuals are Mike Dupree, Deb Dupree, Gary Ellis, Justin Wasson. Others have expressed interest in helping without holding a voting position, as they are voting members of another team.
As for a different view of the Executives - I do not respond to third-hand information. If Justin (or anyone else) wants to communicate, it can be done in person or via a phone call. Innuendo, distortion and third-party personal attacks through other sources will NOT get him where he wants to be. I refuse to play those games.
Apparently, Justin has the capability to express his concerns to you. If he wants to talk, he knows how to reach me.
I will be tied up with out-of-town clients today and tomorrow so will have limited ability to read or respond to emails or phone calls. I will try to stay on top of any pressing concerns.
Have a great day,
From: Robin Tucker <email@example.com>
To: clgolding <firstname.lastname@example.org>; jrwasson <email@example.com>
Cc: mtdupree <firstname.lastname@example.org>; egarye <email@example.com>; brett.e.mason <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Sent: Thu, Apr 9, 2015 12:23 am
Subject: Re: Membership meeting 4/14
I believe Justin is recommending two members for the Team?
Mike and Justin will hopefully work well together, as we move forward, with Membership.
I noticed an e-mail tonight from Justin recommending a couple of more members for the Team.
I have been swamped this week and just getting caught up with more e-mail.
Justin is not going to be a member of the Treasurer's Team, but as we get closer to Caucus and Convention, I would suspect he will have an interest in working with our Team to support various tasks, the Chair and Treasurer have with compliance with Iowa Code and our accounting and recording functions?
He shared with me that he was active with three committees last period, before the new Executive Election. Change can be challenging with our membership. Some are voicing concerns ...
He has some different ideas than the Executive Committee and is interested in voicing his concerns.
LCRCC Executive Treasurer
From: clgolding <email@example.com>
To: jrwasson <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Cc: mtdupree <email@example.com>; egarye <firstname.lastname@example.org>; brett.e.mason <email@example.com>; tuckerusa <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Sent: Wed, Apr 8, 2015 6:31 am
Subject: Membership meeting 4/14
The recognized Membership meeting will be 4/14, lead by Mike Dupree. You are a voting member of the team. Please consider attending. If you chose not to participate on this team, please let Mike know so your position may be filled by someone willing to serve on the team. Membership & Meeting setup will work closely with Secretary Gary Ellis, as he is responsible for recording accurate attendance.
Distortion, embellishment and fabrication will not enhance your reputation nor help the LCRCC be successful. Events are recorded because of similar situations with others in the past. We will not participate in the "he said-she said" dialogs.
Please join the rest of the membership team on the 14th. I have heard that you may have some great ideas. Let's work together to make positive things happen.
Linn county Republicans
Some People cannot handle responsibility.
Iowa and New Hampshire share between them a signal honor and a responsibility.
They are first in the Nation as regards Presidential Races.
We are the First Caucus State they are the First Primary State.
The single most important thing for either is to
The Party MUST NOT be partisan.
We must treat all candidate with an even and unbiased hand,
The very appearance of Bias can threaten what has been for generations a source of pride for many Iowans.
Party officials must abide by these strictures.
Which is why it is alarming to see the Facebook Pages of the second largest County in the State having the appearance of
Ted Cruz For President Forums
Party officials should not allow that sort of bias to show on the County pages.
Nor should they perform partisan activities on the personal pages.
If they wish to do that. If it is that important to them,'
They should resign their position as others have done in the Past to work in election campaigns.
Now some might accuse me of writing this because I do not favor Ted Cruze.
That would be the result of their own ignorance,
I LIKE Senator Cruz and think he is an exciting and dynamic candidate.
I also think Rafael Rocks.
No it is not because I oppose Ted Cruze that I write this, but because I opppose irresponisibel unethical behavior.
If you are a Party official you represent ALL Republicans, not just the ones that you agree with.
It is certainly not appropriate for Admins of the LCRCC websites to exhibit such bias.
It needs to stop.
Someone needs to start doing their job.
Though Truth be Told those Someones cannot at present be our new Marketing & PR Team
Who are supposed to be in charge of our Public relation communications, internal and external messaging.
Because it does not appear that anyone has bothered to make any of them bsides the Webmaster Admins
No the Responisibilty and the Blame falls solely upon
The Chair, The Co-Chair and the Webmaster
Who ARE Admins ,
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