Wednesday, 27 May 2015
Remedial Reading Lessons For Executives Vol I
I don't know if it is the falling levels of public literacy
Or perhaps simple cognitive blockage
The syndrone where one sees what one wants to
But SOMETHING is being lost
Between what is written
And what our Ececutive Board
And their Helpers see.
I was out of town for the Last LCRCC Meeting
So I have about a 2 hour audio record to go through
I will comment on what I find in a series of posts
I feel there will be to much material to put into a single one,.
We will start with a statement by the Chair
Which Claims that upon the Creation of a New Executive Board that ALL
Motions and Decisions made by a previous LCRCC are voided,
That Claim has been made before
It was one of the reasons claimed for the need for a Rush To Approve the Night of the St Patrick's Day Masacre
It remains now as it was then
A claim was made that this is part of Robert's Rules of Order and that is also
What IS true is that on 28 January 2015 - 08:37 AM
someone calling themselves jknox65 (which just happens
to be the Facebook Username
of our Webmaster James Knox)
Asked THIS Question on the Officlal Robert's Rules of Order Forum
I was wondering if motions that had
during a previous Executive boards rein,
these carry over to the new presiding
officers? Do motions bind the hands
of a new body after an election? I would
thing by-law changes would but I am
uncertain about motions?
And was Told
That unless the Body voted to change a previous decision or there was an expiration date in the original motion that YES they stay in effect PERIOD
I wrote about this previously in
The Great Motion Expiration Swindle
You may go see for your self at the RONR Website HERE
Or you can look at a copy and paste of it lifted and placed in this post.
When do passed Motions expire?
Started by jknox65 , Jan 28 2015 08:37 AMMotions Elections
3 replies to this topic
Posted 28 January 2015 - 08:37 AM
I was wondering if motions that had passed during a previous Executive boards rein, do these carry over to the new presiding officers? Do motions bind the hands of a new body after an election? I would thing by-law changes would but I am uncertain about motions?
Can someone advise and reference where it may or may not support the expunging of previous sessions passed motions?
Posted 28 January 2015 - 08:45 AM
"Unless an adopted main motion specifies a time for the termination of its effect, it continues in force until it is rescinded." (RONR 11th ed., p. 111, ** footnote)
Posted 28 January 2015 - 08:57 AM
jknox65, on 28 Jan 2015 - 08:37 AM, said:
Do motions bind the hands of a new body after an election?
No. The board is free to rescind (or otherwise amend) motions previously adopted by the board (assuming, of course, that the actions authorized by the motions have not been completed). There is no "expunging".
It's best not to think of "the old board" and "the new board". It's just "the board" (with occasional changes in membership).
Everything I know about RONR I learned from Mr. Mountcastle. And everything he knows about RONR he learned from this forum.
Posted 28 January 2015 - 01:51 PM
No, they don't bind the hands of a future body any more than they bind the hands of the current body.
Unless otherwise indicated, responses are based upon the current edition of RONR as of the date of posting. The rules in your bylaws supersede those in RONR.
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -Margaret Mead
For those who might snidely quip that this is just someone's interpretation?
Might I point out that there is a quote AND source from Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised 11th edition
"Unless an adopted main motion specifies a time for
the termination of its effect, it continues in force until
it is rescinded." (RONR 11th ed., p. 111, ** footnote)
Now it IS possible that Mr Knox made this inquiry and never told the Executive Board the result.
They might actually believe what they are saying
But it is EQUALY True that what they are saying is
A very interesting quesiton would be who if anyone TOLD them this preposterous pile of bunk that they keep using to justify ILLEGAL Actions.
PS got another letter while I was away from my anonymous adimirer, We will look at their last attempts at correspondence hilarity after we deal wiith a few other issues
Such as Breaches of the County Constitution and ByLaws by the current Exective Board and Parliamentarian.
Friday, 15 May 2015
I have Family matters to attend to
So there will be a Hot Issues hiatus
Till probably Memorial Day
Where Have All The Charters Gone?
We are experiencing a resurgence of Battles in a very old War.
It is about Power and Control of the Central Committee and that this is not just a recent event can be seen by some telling sections of our Constitution and By Laws.
Section VIII of the Constitution is revealing
VIII. EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE The Executive Committee shall consist of the Chair, Co-Chair, Secretary and Treasurer of the Linn County Central Committee. The Executive Committee shall transact the routine business of the Linn County Central Committee during the interim of the meetings of the Linn County Central Committee. Any business transacted or action taken shall be reported to the Linn County Central Committee at the next regularly scheduled meeting. The Executive Committee is subject to the orders of the Linn County Central Committee, and none of its acts shall conflict with actions of the Linn County Central Committee.
Notice the Last sentence? Someone wanted to make VERY certain that it was the Central Committee and NOT the Executive Committee which made the decisions,
Of course they WERE assuming that the members of the Executive Committee would actually ADHERE to what was written in the Constitution,
But it must be declining literacy standards of recent times that does not appear to be the case,
I first realised the problem when after a Communications Sub Committee meeting one Saturday night at the Starlite about a year ago our Chair Cindy Golding informed me that "Some People" wanted to mover the meeting to the Library.
She further stated that SHE could make that decision but felt it would be better if the Body did it,.
When I said that she did not have the authority to do that because the Times and Place of the Meeting had been set by a VOTE of the Committee and until it Voted otherwise it had to remain at the same place and dates,
BOY did she NOT like that!!
Her and our Webmaster James Knox had a little hissy fit about my stance.
Several things happened shortly there after
I never saw Cindy Golding or James Knox at another Communications meeting again,
We heard that "Some People" (not really sure if this is the same some people names are never provided) wanted the Communications Meeting moved from Saturday Night at the Star Lite
It was VITAL that ALL the Sub-Committees have CHARTERS!!!
To this day I wonder if it was all an attempt to "take over " the Sub-Committees because all the Charters had the SubCommittees reporting to the Executive Committee or the Organizational Committee which the Chair seemed to run.
Or at least it seemed to some that the County Chair spent more time talking than the Sub Committee Chair,
But the Body rejected that portion of the Charters and amended them to have the Sub Committees report to the Body.
And that it where things stood until just a few months later the Executive Committee decided we HAD to reorganize everything.
Was required by Robert's Rules don't you see?
Except it wasn't
One of our members found evidence that that very quesiton was asked of the Official Robert's Rules Discusion Forum and they were told NO.
We were told that a man considered by many to be one of the foremost parliamentary experts in the State also said Robert's Rules required this move,
But he says he did not,
But in eny event something else happened.
We got all these new things called TEAMS which seem to do what the Sub Committees used to do,.
You can check them out HERE
But they do not have CHARTERS.
You can see the Old Charters HERE
And that is just Not Right!
I mean we were told just last summer that Charters were VITAL!
So here is what we need to do.
We already HAVE the Charters. Many of the Teams have the same functions as the Old Sub Committees
We make some motions like
I move that the Marketing & PR Team be given the Charter formerly applied to the Communications Sub Committee
I move that the Membership & Meeting Setup Team be given the Charter formerly applied to the Credential's Sub Committee.
See how easy that woudl be?
There is one thing missing from the Teams though
Where we formerly had an Office Sub Committee?
They seem to have overlooked making an
That is just not tidy. I mean we HAVE an Office but we no longer have anyone responsible for it?
I move we create an Office Team and give it the Charter formerly applied to the Office Sub-Committee,
Then after we get all that done maybe we can work on letting everyone in a Team have a say or vote in what happens instead of just the chosen few
And we can let people decide what Teams they wish to contribute to rather than having the Team Leader control everything.
In time we can have everything back the way it was when we had Sub Commitees
Thursday, 14 May 2015
Well I Do Like Chili
One of my Readers answered a question that was in my recent letter for me.
"BIGGER QUESTION - What Republican activities has or does the Hot Air Blogger support? .... so far none on his blog. Isn't that curious?"
Your FRIEND apparently hasn't looked at the DR-2. Otherwise he would have seen that you were by far the largest donor at the chili cook-off.
That IS True and for those who wish to look at the DR-2 metioned I have it HERE for them,
Yes is it does appear I was the largest donor in the neighborhood of 1/6th of the ticket sales and the next TWO highest donors combined are just few dollars more than me,
In addition to the above since I work nights, in order to attend the Monthly Central Committee meetings I take a vacation day from work and have been doing so for some 10 years.
OK OK I have to admit. I am not married, Had I a wife and family I am certain there would be some words about me using 12 vacation days a year doing something else besides spending the time with family.
Let me see. In what other ways have I shown my dedication to Republican Activities?
Well when I was in the hospital waiting to have open heart surger I did request that my friends in lieu of flowers donate to one of our local campaigns.
How many others have ever used a quintuple bypass operation as a fund raiser for a political campaign?
Also while laying in a hospital bed I made out a check for $100 to help fund an earlier buffet on election nights for some who wished to show up early about 6:00 PM
I also had a friend pick me up at the hopsital and take me to that event,
Where I stayed watching the returns come in despite the fact that we discovered that the Hospital calling in my prescriptions to my pharmacy did not include my pain medication.
A good friend did give me some extra strength tylenol and I made do with that.
I would say that overall I have contributed quite a bit actually and since my comments section is as it always is open
Perhaps Mr Friend of Republican Principles can regale us with THEIR record?
I will conclude now with just one statement.
It really does not matter that Mr Friend of Republican Principles has called me a Hypocrite because in a manner of speaking we ARE even.
I think THEY are an Ignoramus.
Wednesday, 13 May 2015
I Am Your Friend
I got a letter with a return address "A Friend"
When I read it instead of my usual concept of a friend it reminded me of
The Reverend Henry Kane from Poltergeist.
You know where he says
Because I'm Smart and I'm your friend and I know what you are thinking.
Before we get into the letter I think the Readers should make up their own mind so I want you to go read it yourselves and then come back here and we can discuss it.
Letter from "A Friend"
Back? That was different wasn't it? Well I guess there are all kinds of definitions of the word friend.
Now let us start at the beginning.
The letter will be in italics my thoughts in bold font
Is the Hot Air Blogger a Democrat?
First I am not a Hot Air Blogger. I am flattered but Hot Air is one of THE premier Conservative Blogs on the Internet, My website is called Hot Issues
This is a serious question. Regularly, almost every day, the Hot Blogger claims to be following and protecting the Linn County Republican Party Constitution and the Linn County Republican Central Committee Bylaws.
Well they do need it,.
So how does he square that with supporting Democrats? Joel Miller is the Linn County Auditor. Now many think Joel does a great job, but that doesn't qualify him as a Republican.
Now there is a Catch 22 here,. Yes Joe Miller is a Democrat, Yes 60% of the County Supervisors are also Democrats, So whatever side you take in this debate, You can be accused of supporting Democrats.
Because the 2 of the 5 Supervisors who are Republicans can only do what the 3 Democrats allow them to. That is just the simple math
So why is the Hot Air Blogger promoting keeping more people on the Auditor's staff than the Linn County Supervisors think he needs to do his job? Wasn't it a Republican Supervisor who challenged the staffing? Isn't that active support of a Democrat in opposition to a Republican?
That is Mr Friends version. Mine is a bit different which will come as no surprise.
The Auditor's Office under Mr Miller has a record of fair and even and NON-partisan behaviour
One if it's duties is to AUDIT the County Government and point out Waste.
I support this. It would appear that the County Supervisors do not.
Because they have been transfering his staff to other depts and if the next reduction goes into effect the Auditors office will be down from 52 not more than 2 years ago to 13.
Which will hamper his efforts to document their swilling at the public trough.
Didn't the Hot Air Blogger support kicking a Republican out of the Central Committee? So perhaps the Linn County Republican Central Committee is about to receive the resignation of the Hot Air Blogger ... otherwise it seems as if by his statements that he might be a hypocrite. hhhhmmmmm????
I see, The fact that I supported adherence to the Constitution when a member openly campaigned for a Democratic Candidate who was running against a Republican has some bearing?
As I recall MOST of the Central Committee did the same there are only a few who feel that the Constitution and By Laws are optional.
I guess those who did not agree with Mr Friend are not REAL Republicans in his estimation
"Constitution of the Republican Party of Linn County" "The purpose of the organization shall be, under one central committee ... to aid in every way the establishment of Republican principles and policies .... and assist ... in support of the Republican ticket."
Great Mr Friend has read part of the County Constitution, Had he read some further he might have discovered that the charge in the Constitution is
active support of an opponent of a Republican nominee.
I know our educational systems deterioration
has lowered literacty standards but I would think that
is plain enough that it would not be mistaken for
supporting a Non-partisan office in their attempt to
document waste in the County Government
I actually thoght that reducing waste in Government was somewhere in the Principles of the Republican Party but Mr Friend thinks otherwise.
What Republican principle supports growing government? Even the ICU doesn't support that .... do they??? Some of their members are questionable Republicans or even conservatives.
Not sure what Mr Friend is talking about here. The only growth in goverment mentioned was the Waste that the Auditors office was reporting and that the Supervisors wish to silence,
As for the ICU? You will find it's members in the Central Committee but then Mr Friend has already decided most of the Central Committee is not up to his caliber
Is that why only a small portion of the members of the Teams have a vote ie say in what gets done and the rest just get to do what they are told?
s supporting a Democrat in keeping with "aiding and assisting" the support of Republicans under the Linn County Constitution? Don't think so.
And here I thought I was supporting the Principle of reducing Waste in Government
I will agree with that last sentence though.
I don't think Mr Friend thinks either,
BIGGER QUESTION - What Republican activities has or does the Hot Air Blogger support? .... so far none on his blog. Isn't that curious?
I stand firmly against Violations of the County Constitution
Like when our Chair Cindy Golding REFUSED to sign Checks to pay debts that the Central Committee voted on
I stand firmly against Violations of our By Laws
Like when the County Chair Cindy Golding Illegally paid a bill for over $500 without the approval of the Committee NOR the signature of the then Treasurer.
I stand firmly against the Committee being rushed into decisons based on information that is false and is known to be false when presented
Like the recent claim that a massive reorganization of the Central Committe was REQUIRED by Robert's Rules of Order DESPITE the FACT that that question had been asked of the Robert's Rules of Order Forum and their responce was NO
And like telling the Committee that the above action was supported by a parliamentary ruling by a gentleman we all know who informed me that never happened,
BTW I also support a motion to allow every member of one of our teams to have a vote and say in Team Activiities
I support a motion letting individuals themselves decide which Teams to be a member of instead of having that limited by a Team Leader.
I support putting our Former Caucus Team which had done such a good job in the past back in place and going to work on a Multiple Site Presidential Caucus
I think that is enough for right now
A FRIEND of Republican principles.
Does anyone think Mr Friend would recognize a Principle if it jumped up and smacked him in the Face?
Tuesday, 12 May 2015
Hi Hi Hi Ho It's Off To Spend We Go
All checks shall be signed b the Treasurer and countersigned by the Chair or Co-Chair. Checks in excess of $500.00 and not previously budgeted shall have the approval of the County Central Committee.
The Executive Committee shall transact the routine business of the Central Committee during the interim of the meetings of the Central Committee. Any business transacted or action taken shall be reported to the Central Committee at the next regularly scheduled meeting
I do not beleive the above gives the Exective Committee the right to withdraw from the Treasury funds to spend on just anything they wish to,
I am very certain it clearly states that the amount spent without the specific approval of the Central Committee shall be less than $500 and that ANY buiness transacted shall be reported at the NEXT regular meeting.
Which is why there was a scramble before our recent Lincoln dinner as to how properly handle the check that would have been written to the Elmcrest County Club,
The Charges being in the neighborhood of $1800 and NO prior approval by the Body created a problem.
The solution seems to have been to give refunds to the Hosts who were sponsoring the event and let them and ticket buyers that night pay directly to the Country Club.
That was a very contorted way to maintain adeherence to the By Laws and we have yet to see how the State Ethics Board will react to it.
A much simpler path would have been to put this event befor the Body and get their approval,
That does not seem to be something that has much credence with our Executive Committee,
They seem to feel they can do pretty much anything they wish to and petty things like Constitutions and By Laws are for the peons and not for the elite,
Our local Lincoln dinner is not however an isolated event
The State will be having their own Lincoln Dinner on May the 16th.
It appears that the LCRCC is selling tickets to a table for $75.
RPI Lincoln Dinner
Calling all Linn County Republicans:
Have you heard of the fantastic line-up of Republican superstars?
If you would like to attend the RPI Lincoln Dinner on May 16,
Discounted ticket price – $75.00per person (Regular ticket price – $100 per person)
Note: there are 10 tickets available at this price.
So how do the intend to handle the payment of $750 to RPI for the Table??
The last time I checked $750 was more the $500.
Are they going to have people make checks out to RPI so they can stay under their $500 limit?
Lastly there is the issue of paying for the bills other than those of the Central Committee,
Whispers on the Wind have brought to your humble chronicler the rumor that the LCRCC Chair Cindy Golding ordered the at the time Interim Treaser Jim Miller to cut a check for $200 to pay for an ad place in a flyer put out by another Republican Organization,
I will not mention the name of the other Organization, they are blemeless adn their good name does not need to be besmerched because of the incompetence and malfeasance of our Chair,
neither does the name of the restaraunt falsely accused of failure to pay a bill that in fact they did not authorise.
All these issues have been reported in previous posts,
If It's Not Written Down Show Us The Proof
and In Their Own Words
Questions at this time which need answered are
Did the Body recieve a report of this action at the next scheduled meeting and if not WHY?
Exactly how did the Linn County Central Committee become responsible for this debt in the first place,.
Despite the fact that the amount $200 is below the limit the Executive Committee may spend without prior approval,.
It is questionable as to whether they have the authority to use their spending power to pay the bills of other people,.
I hope someone asks these quesitons at the next Central Committee meeting.
Monday, 11 May 2015
Laughing Stock Of Iowa
Sometimes I think that it is the secret goal of the Linn County Central Commitee Exective Board to bring comic relief to the rest of the State.
That is the only excuse I can think of for why the LCRCC Facebook page is the way it is.
They cannot seriously think that it shows that the second largest county in Iowa can produce a proffesional appearing page,
It MUST be some attempt at a SATIRE of what a Republican Facebook Page should look like,
For example let us look at the Facebook Page of the
Rather attractive and tidy
Now let us see the Facebook Page of the
It appears they the admins of this page figure if you tell the public something once you might need to tell them 10 times to get their attention
This post WAS put up 10 times one of the problems with it is that the very first one was posted when there might have been 10 minutes left in the event, The other 9 were posted over the next 10 or 12 hours AFTER the event.
The reader is encouraged to go to the FB page themselves and count how many redundant multiple posts there are
Now let me make one thing VERY clear we cannot blame the members of the Linn County Central Committee Marketing % PR Team
Well at least all but one James Knox the LCRCC Webnaster
You see the only people with Admin privaleges are him and the County Chair Cindy Golding
and Co-Chair. Brett Mason
No one else seems to be trusted to make corrections on the FB pages.
I wonder why that is since it is rather pathetic compared to other GOP Facebook Pages
But the truth remains that thistremendous example of incompetance must rest soley in the hands of these three,
There has been a LOT of comment on this issue not just by me but they turn a deaf ear,.
So the only conclusion must be that the whole think is being done purposely to bring comic relief to the rest of the state,
Friday, 8 May 2015
Wait A Minute
There are a few people who are not that thrilled with our Executive Board's Rush to Have the Presidential Caucuses in ONE Location.
As a matter of fact one local grassroots organization has gone way past "not thrilled" and has arrived at
Now it is not like Linn County has never engaged in a Caucus.
We HAD a well experienced Caucus Sub-Committee led by Randy Lucre, Eric Rosenthal, Jim Conklin and with a proven record of accomplishments,
As a matter of fact when the Sub-Committee stood down after the 2012 Caucuses and County Convention they scheduled a meeting for this Spring to Reconvene and start up again,
That was of course BEFORE the St Patrick's Day Massacre when ALL Sub-Committees were eliminated and the Caucus Convention Sub-Committee was replaced with
But that IS the way our Chair wants things because she wants to be the One who runs everything and those who have worked hard in certain areas in the Past are no longer welcome,
No that is not true after the Executive Board has chosen the VOTING members of a Team anyone who wants to is welcome to join if it allowed by the Team Leader.
As our Co-Chair has stated many times there is a place for everyone
What is left unsaid is that of course is if you remember what your Place IS and accept that the Chosen will get to make all the decisions.
I remember the flap back in 2012 when there were a few paltry complications in the Lee County Count.
Wonder what the reaction of the Media will be if the Second Largest County in Iowa has a Caucus meltdown because they tried to crowd everyone into a single site?
But any criticism of how the Linn County Chair has things running is met with verbage like
Respectable leaders don't waste time trying to placate those whose only mission is hate.
Yes point out that she might be making a mistake and taling Linn County, Iowa and Our First in the Nation Status over a cliff and you are a
But there IS Hope, The Linn County Chair did give the good folks at Iowa Live and Us this advice
Why don't you and your cohorts try doing something positive - it would be a refreshing change and might even save your sorry souls
There you have it folks the
Gospel According To Cindy Golding
Do what she tells You ---and
May have your "Sorry Souls" Saved
Thursday, 7 May 2015
Now If We Just Had A Time Machine
Looks like our Marketing & PR Team Managed to Get the Notice about the Carly Fiorina event up no later than 10 Hours AFTER it Started
UPDATE: I counted a total of 10 announcements on the LCRCC one of which was posted when the event had maybe 10 or 15 minutes to run all the rest were after it was over.
The efficiency of auto-posting without manual editing never ends. They were posted over a period of 12 hours or so. There are quite a few other examples of multiple posts. But ONE candidate's posts seem to never had this problem.
Maybe the Facebook Page management should be put in the hands of someone who is NOT so busy representing ONE campaign?
And in true Linn County Central Committee Form they took credit as the Organizer
Carly Fiorina will be in Cedar Rapids
May 7 @ 7:30 am - 8:30 am
Come meet Carly
Please feel free to email me or call me at 563-343-5779 if you have any questions or would like more information.
Wednesday, 6 May 2015
Linn County Chairperson's & Other Threats to Iowa's First in the Nation Caucus
It appears that other eyes than my own have detected that there is something the matter with the Linn County Republican Family.
They have contacted the Red Queen of the LCRCC with their concerns and she has responded
OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!
Might sum up her responce but I will let my readers peruse a few of the emails that resulted and they can determine for themselves the level of discourse.
In the Nation Caucus
EMAILS FROM LCRCC CHAIRPERSON GOLDING TO IOWALIVE
Wed 4/29/2015 10:58 AM
Respectable leaders don't waste time trying to placate those whose only mission is hate.
Why don't you and your cohorts try doing something positive - it would be a refreshing change and might even save your sorry souls
Wed 4/29/2015 9:47 AM
Hiding behind your keyboard is cowardice. You represent the face of the evil you pretend to uncover, like the arsonist who claims to be the hero.
You are despicable
Tue 4/28/2015 7:09 PM
Stand up instead of hiding behind your keyboard.
I know children with more courage and intelligence to research an issue than you demonstrate.
Use the Links above to read the entire article and Iowa Live's responce to their contact of the LCRCC
I think most would agree that the LCRCC Chair not only ACTS like the Red Queen she even LOOKS like the Red Queen
In the interest of FULL Disclosure I feel I must post that Iowa Live concludes their email to the LCRCC Chair with
A collapse of the presidential caucuses in Iowa’s second largest county would be a disaster to Iowa remaining first in the nation. Other states wish to go first. A night of Republican caucus chaos in Cedar Rapids would seal the deal on first in the nation moving from Iowa.
Please visit website http://www.angelfire.com/ky/kentuckydan/HotIssues/ to learn of other hot issues.
Iowalive net workers will be watching closely for substantial improvements in LCRCC soon. If none are announced as forthcoming, a river-to-river news release and http://www.iowalive.net/ website posting of this email is planned.
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