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Tuesday, 27 September 2005
Civil War in the Anti-War Movement
Topic: Iraq War
I find I continually underestimate the extremes of one side of the Political Spectrum

This from LGF

Dissent in San Diego

and THE INDEPUNDIT

Fracture Lines

JAMAL KANJ, a fiery Palestinian from a group called Al-Awda, takes the podium. “We Palestinians,” he begins, “have been subjected to GENOCIDE at the hands of the Israelis for generations.“ He rants on. ”In 1948, they forced us out of our homes, and today we must DRIVE THE JEWS from PALESTINE!”
Suddenly, a middle-aged man wearing a black “F the President” T-shirt rushes the stage, screaming at Kanj, “I’m TIRED of this CRAP! You people keep bringing this up! This is supposed to be an ANTI-WAR rally, not an ANTI-ISRAEL rally!”

Kanj yells back, into the microphone. Others in the crowd stand up and join in the shouting match.
The Arab-Israeli conflict has arrived in San Diego.
Red-vested “peace monitors” converge on T-shirt Man, trying to contain this sudden outburst of dissent. They are followed closely by the San Diego Police Department, who quickly take control of the situation and lead the man away.

AT LEAST A THIRD of the crowd has departed. Others remain behind only to express their disappointment and disgust. The organizers argue amongst themselves.


Let me see if I have this straight,

An Anti-War Protester
Was Lead away from an Anti-War Protest by the Police.

Because

He was Protesting

That the Anti-War Protest

Was not Protesting the War?

You can NOT make up stuff this good!

We need a Protest like this in every city in the Nation, so folks can see just what these people are really like, not filtered thought the media.

Or better yet, how about Jerry Springer producing
a new Reality Show called the Protest?

Where the members eliminate each other?

Wow what a Challenge that would be for Karl Rove
to sneak in some Protest Warriors and fix it so THEY would win. LOL

(Do go to Indepundit and check out the whole story and the photos!)

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Posted by ky/kentuckydan at 12:52 AM CDT
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Updated: Sunday, 3 June 2007 7:25 AM CDT
Monday, 19 September 2005
The Left Is More Compasionate
Topic: Iraq War
Understanding, tolerant, giving and caring, than the Right.

That's what they keep telling us.

Then when they have a chance to DEMONSTRATE it?

Hitch vs. the Angry Elf

one man immediately shouted "No!" as comrades began jeering and booing the journalist. >

I simply cannot think of a thing that needs to added to the above, besides the fact that it does not surprise me.

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Posted by ky/kentuckydan at 1:50 AM CDT
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Updated: Sunday, 3 June 2007 7:19 AM CDT
Friday, 16 September 2005
I Was For It Before I Was Against It.
Topic: Iraq War
Does that sound familiar?

Let me run down this current logic train.

We should not go into Afghanistan, it will be a disaster.

We went in, it wasn't.

We should not go into Iraq, it will be a disaster, and deflect us from the important job of Afghanistan. Same folks who opposed us going into Afghanistan, then opposed us going into Iraq, because they decided to support the efforts in Afghanistan. To listen to them, they always had too,

Then the attacks shifted. We don't have enough troops in Iraq, we need more. Charles Rangles even penned a return to the Draft Bill, though I am uncertain if we really wanted to help with military levels, or engender more and larger Anti-War Protests. The Draft worked so well, as an Anti-War tool for Vietnam, I think the Left really misses it.

When Katrina hit, they suddenly noticed, that there was NOT too few troops in Iraq, but too many, which were needed in Louisiana. Did not really matter that most of the Louisiana National Guard including the Combat Engineer Battalion which had the heavy equipment to be effective in Relief and Rescue were STILL in Louisiana. I did sound good though. Righteous indignation is always good publicity, even if it's patently false.

They figure by the time the truth comes out the Public's attention will be riveted elsewhere..

But I have to admit of ALL the asinine statements I have read in recent times this one will have to take the Number One position, and I shudder to think of the level of venality something would have to sink to, to replace it.

I am truly hoping that this will remain forever in the Number One position.

Amid the Miserable Failures on the Same Planet
A Message from Cindy Sheehan

"George Bush need st to stop talking, admit the mistakes of his all around failed administration, pull our troops out of occupied New Orleans"


Excuse me? I do think those GIs are NEEDED there.
I wonder if she asked the people affected what their desires are?

Of course not, how silly of me, the Far Left, KNOWS what is best for all of us, They don't need to ASK us, or fool around with such undependable mechanisms such as Constitutional Government or Elections. Oh they must sorely MISS Stalin and the Politburo!

One of these days someone needs to tell them, sometimes issues and slogans do not travel well.

We need to pull our troops out of Iraq, NOW, and Terrorism wil stop,is one kind of statement

The American People do not buy it by the way,

12% Say US Troop Withdrawal Will Stop Terror Attacks
August 26, 2005--Just 12% of Americans believe that withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq will stop terror attacks like the summer bombings in London. A Rasmussen Reports survey found that 71% disagree and say that troop withdrawal will not lead to an end of terrorist attacks.

The survey also found that 54% of Americans believe the situation will get worse in Iraq if U.S. troops are withdrawn. Twenty percent (20%) take the opposite view and believe the situation will get better.

Fifty-nine percent (59%) of men believe a troop withdrawal will make the situation worse. That view is shared by 48% of women.

There is a sharp partisan difference on this question. By a 4-to-1 margin, both Republicans and those not affiliated with either major party say a troop withdrawal now will make the situation worse in Iraq.

Democrats are more closely divided. Twenty-eight percent (28%) of those in Harry Reid's party believe things will get better in Iraq if U.S. troops leave. Thirty-seven percent (37%) say they will get worse


Think of it something Republicans, Independents and 38% of Democrats oppose and only the DNC leadership, Cindy Sheehan, Michael More and Friends of Howard Dean, Teddy Kenendy etal believe in.

Like I said that shows them out of touch with the Hear and Soul of America, far enough

But.


"George Bush need st to stop talking, admit the mistakes of his all around failed administration, pull our troops out of occupied New Orleans"


Is something else entirely,

It Mis the kind of thing one expects from the Michael Moore website that is true.

I ask you. Can any political movement which rests on such sinking sand positions and platforms be taken seriously?

Can we trust them with the Security and Defense of the United States?

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Posted by ky/kentuckydan at 7:50 PM CDT
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Updated: Sunday, 3 June 2007 7:15 AM CDT
Saturday, 27 August 2005
Americans Willing to Foot Bill for Larger Military
Topic: Iraq War


But NO Draft.

That is according to the August

Zogby REAL America Report.

I wish I could supply a source URL here, but it is in PDF form. I have access to it because I am a Zogby Pollee. Actually its a lot of fun and quite interesting to see some of the stranger questions

What Ice cream do you like? Do you eat eggs?

I also enjoy thinking about how I complicate their demographic distributions.

I am a Cherokee-Irish, Scots, Welsh, English, Platt Deutch, Jacksonian America.

I belong to a Union AND the Investor Class, and live in a City of over 100K. I place my Religious orientation as Spiritual but sometimes I wonder how they would handle it if I listed it as Pagan.


So it would appear that 2/3 of the US want spending INCREASED. A tad more want that to decrease the need to call up Reservists.

There are the usual distributions along Party lines.
This concept is supported by 88% of Republicans, 59% of Independents and 52% of Democrats. Leaving the ones who oppose it, way out on the extreme fringes of both orientations and the middle solidly for it as well.

While only half the Liberals support increased spending, two thirds of moderates and 90% of conservatives do.

The Solid South supports it by 71%, the Central/Great Lakes by 70%, while the East lags at 60%, y'al in the West should be offended, they do not even mention you.

No real impact by Religious outlook, with the exception that the Born Again are 81% for it, which is close to the number who think, "Rock and Roll is Here to Stay" one would think the Evangelicals would be Gospel and CW fans so I doubt there is any correlation . ;-)

Big Cities, the seat of power for the Democratic Party favor it least, big surprise that, but DO favor it by 62%, small cities 72%, 68% Suburbanites favor increased spending as do 71% of the Rural population.

Only 25% of Americans want the Draft back, more DEMOCRATS want it back than Republicans. All holds are barred in the case of an actual attack on US soil, in that scenario, 65% of Americans want it back 21% would not.

So it is pretty plain that any Political Figures who are thinking in Vietnam Era Peace Dividend terms, and bring the boys home so we can spend that money on Pork are heading for a steep precipice.

One wonders what they think a desire on the part of the American Public to INCREASE Defense Spending MEANS?

That we want to watch marches in pretty uniforms and listen to John Phillips Sousa?


Maybe it means that the majority of Americans really think we are at WAR. War with implacable foes who desire our total destruction and is global and amorphous in nature.

This might explain WHY as Zogby reports,
Democrats fail to gain traction from Bush slip...

[
The Washington Times - (8/19/2005)
Democrats hoped they would be scoring political points in this year's election cycle as a result of increasing terrorist violence in Iraq and skyrocketing gasoline prices that have combined to send President Bush's job-approval ratings plunging into the low 40s. But things are not turning out as they hoped. The Democrats are beset by internal division over the lack of an agenda, carping from liberals who say party leaders are not aggressive enough in challenging Mr. Bush's nomination of Judge John G. Roberts Jr. to the Supreme Court, bitterness among abortion rights activists after criticism by Democratic leaders that forced them to pull a TV advertisement attacking Judge Roberts, and complaints from pollsters that they have no coherent message to take into the 2006 elections. Independent pollster John Zogby says that although Mr. Bush is not doing well in the polls, the Democrats aren't doing any better. "The Democrats aren't scoring points in terms of landing any significant punches on Bush or in terms of saying anything meaningful to the American people," Mr. Zogby said. In a slap at his party, Democratic pollster Stanley Greenberg said earlier this month that his surveys show that "one of the biggest doubts about Democrats is that they don't stand for anything."


The Political Battle lines are drawn. It is indeed a New Era, those who think in the paradigms of the past generation will be left behind by the Wave of the Future. They have made attempts to wave the Bloody Flag of thirty years ago, but it seems to have fallen on deaf ears. The American People seems not to be tempted by the Bait of an Illusory Peace Dividend, but the promise of Temporary Security. They want a Strong National Defense.
They want the Enemies of Freedom, Liberty and the Rights of the Individual Defeated, and they want Leaders who stand FOR something.

It's like the song.

You have to Stand for Something or You'll Fall for Anything.

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Posted by ky/kentuckydan at 8:46 PM CDT
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Updated: Sunday, 3 June 2007 7:01 AM CDT
Thursday, 25 August 2005
Anti-War Protests Target Wounded at Army Hospital
Topic: Iraq War
Using the names of Slain Soldiers for Anti-War Propanganda AGAINST the express wishes of their parents is not enough it seems.

NOW the maggots are preying on wounded vets. And YES I WILL question their Patriotism, I STATE it as FACT they do NOT deserve to be Americans.

Be nice if the Code Duello was not illegal.



Anti-War Protests Target Wounded at Army Hospital


By Marc Morano
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
August 25, 2005

Washington (CNSNews.com) - The Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C., the current home of hundreds of wounded veterans from the war in Iraq, has been the target of weekly anti-war demonstrations since March. The protesters hold signs that read "Maimed for Lies" and "Enlist here and die for Halliburton."

The anti-war demonstrators, who obtain their protest permits from the Washington, D.C., police department, position themselves directly in front of the main entrance to the Army Medical Center, which is located in northwest D.C., about five miles from the White House. Among the props used by the protesters are mock caskets, lined up on the sidewalk to represent the death toll in Iraq.

SEE VIDEO



Code Pink Women for Peace, one of the groups backing anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan's vigil outside President Bush's ranch in Crawford Texas, organizes the protests at Walter Reed as well.

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On Aug. 19, as the anti-war protesters chanted slogans such as "George Bush kills American soldiers," Cybercast News Service observed several wounded war veterans entering and departing the gates of Walter Reed, some with prosthetic limbs. Most of the demonstrations have been held on Friday evenings, a popular time for the family members of wounded soldiers to visit the hospital.

But the anti-war activists were unapologetic when asked whether they considered such signs as "Maimed for Lies" offensive to wounded war veterans and their families.
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Kevin Pannell, who was recently treated at Walter Reed and had both legs amputated after an ambush grenade attack near Baghdad in 2004, considers the presence of the anti-war protesters in front of the hospital "distasteful."

When he was a patient at the hospital, Pannell said he initially tried to ignore the anti-war activists camped out in front of Walter Reed, until witnessing something that enraged him.

"We went by there one day and I drove by and [the anti-war protesters] had a bunch of flag-draped coffins laid out on the sidewalk. That, I thought, was probably the most distasteful thing I had ever seen. Ever," Pannell, a member of the Army's First Cavalry Division, told Cybercast News Service.

"You know that 95 percent of the guys in the hospital bed lost guys whenever they got hurt and survivors' guilt is the worst thing you can deal with," Pannell said, adding that other veterans recovering from wounds at Walter Reed share his resentment for the anti-war protesters.
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Anti-War Protests Target Wounded at Army Hospital
By Marc Morano
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
August 25, 2005

Washington (CNSNews.com) - The Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C., the current home of hundreds of wounded veterans from the war in Iraq, has been the target of weekly anti-war demonstrations since March. The protesters hold signs that read "Maimed for Lies" and "Enlist here and die for Halliburton."

The anti-war demonstrators, who obtain their protest permits from the Washington, D.C., police department, position themselves directly in front of the main entrance to the Army Medical Center, which is located in northwest D.C., about five miles from the White House. Among the props used by the protesters are mock caskets, lined up on the sidewalk to represent the death toll in Iraq. See Video

Code Pink Women for Peace, one of the groups backing anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan's vigil outside President Bush's ranch in Crawford Texas, organizes the protests at Walter Reed as well.

Some conservative supporters of the war call the protests, which have been ignored by the establishment media, "shameless" and have taken to conducting counter-demonstrations at Walter Reed. "[The anti-war protesters] should not be demonstrating at a hospital. A hospital is not a suitable location for an anti-war demonstration," said Bill Floyd of the D.C. chapter of FreeRepublic.com, who stood across the street from the anti-war demonstrators on Aug. 19.

"I believe they are tormenting our wounded soldiers and they should just leave them alone," Floyd added.

According to the Walter Reed Army Medical Center, nearly 4,000 individuals involved in the Iraq war were treated at the facility as of March of this year, 1,050 of whom were wounded in battle.

One anti-war protester, who would only identify himself as "Luke," told Cybercast News Service that "the price of George Bush's foreign policy can be seen right here at Walter Reed -- young men who returned from Iraq with their bodies shattered after George Bush sent them to war for a lie."

Luke accused President Bush of "exploiting American soldiers" while "oppressing the other nations of earth." The president "has killed far too many people," he added.

On Aug. 19, as the anti-war protesters chanted slogans such as "George Bush kills American soldiers," Cybercast News Service observed several wounded war veterans entering and departing the gates of Walter Reed, some with prosthetic limbs. Most of the demonstrations have been held on Friday evenings, a popular time for the family members of wounded soldiers to visit the hospital.

But the anti-war activists were unapologetic when asked whether they considered such signs as "Maimed for Lies" offensive to wounded war veterans and their families.

"I am more offended by the fact that many were maimed for life. I am more offended by the fact that they (wounded veterans) have been kept out of the news," said Kevin McCarron, a member of the anti-war group Veterans for Peace.

Kevin Pannell, who was recently treated at Walter Reed and had both legs amputated after an ambush grenade attack near Baghdad in 2004, considers the presence of the anti-war protesters in front of the hospital "distasteful."

When he was a patient at the hospital, Pannell said he initially tried to ignore the anti-war activists camped out in front of Walter Reed, until witnessing something that enraged him.

"We went by there one day and I drove by and [the anti-war protesters] had a bunch of flag-draped coffins laid out on the sidewalk. That, I thought, was probably the most distasteful thing I had ever seen. Ever," Pannell, a member of the Army's First Cavalry Division, told Cybercast News Service.

"You know that 95 percent of the guys in the hospital bed lost guys whenever they got hurt and survivors' guilt is the worst thing you can deal with," Pannell said, adding that other veterans recovering from wounds at Walter Reed share his resentment for the anti-war protesters.

"We don't like them and we don't like the fact that they can hang their signs and stuff on the fence at Walter Reed," he said. "[The wounded veterans] are there to recuperate. Once they get out in the real world, then they can start seeing that stuff (anti-war protests). I mean Walter Reed is a sheltered environment and it needs to stay that way."

McCarron said he dislikes having to resort to such controversial tactics, "but this stuff can't be hidden," he insisted. "The real cost of this war cannot be kept from the American public."

The anti-war protesters claim their presence at the hospital is necessary to publicize the arrivals of newly wounded soldiers from Iraq, who the protesters allege are being smuggled in at night by the Pentagon to avoid media scrutiny. The protesters also argue that the military hospital is the most appropriate place for the demonstrations and that the vigils are designed to ultimately help the wounded veterans.

"If I went to war and lost a leg and then found out from my hospital bed that I had been lied to, that the weapons I was sent to search for never existed, that the person who sent me to war had no plan but to exploit me, exploit the country I was sent to, I would be pretty angry," Luke told Cybercast News Service.

"I would want people to do something about it and if I couldn't get out of my bed and protest myself, I would want someone else to do it in my name," he added.
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Not listening is he? I would say if he bothered to ask the answer from these GIs would be NOT IN MY NAME but then his caring for them is so much Bull Shit isn't it?


I clipped part read the whole article and watch the video.

Best do it on an empty stomach.


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Posted by ky/kentuckydan at 6:47 AM CDT
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Updated: Sunday, 3 June 2007 6:57 AM CDT
Wednesday, 24 August 2005
American Legion Condemns War Protests
Topic: Iraq War
Lots of articles have been written about Vets, opposing the War in Iraq, supporting the War in Iraq.

So it should not be surprising that the largest Vet organization the American Legion which at 2.7 million represents over 10% of the Veterans in the country should stand up and be counted.

By an UNANIMOUS vote of the 4000 delegates to its
national convention in fact. Wonder how the Left will spin this? Or will the Exempt Media just ignore it and concentrate on the handful who protest?

American Legion Condemns War Protests as 'Visions of Jane Fonda'
By Randy Hall
CNSNews.com Staff Writer/Editor
August 24, 2005

(CNSNews.com) - Delegates to the American Legion's national convention in Honolulu, Hawaii, vowed Tuesday to use whatever means necessary to "ensure the united backing of the American people to support our troops and the global war on terrorism."

"The American Legion will stand against anyone and any group that would demoralize our troops, or worse, endanger their lives by encouraging terrorists to continue their cowardly attacks against freedom-loving peoples,"
said Thomas Cadmus, national commander of the 2.7-million-member organization.

While never mentioning Cindy Sheehan by name even though the "anti-war mom" has said she will soon return to Crawford, Texas, to continue her protest against President Bush and the war in Iraq, the group did point to another woman who gained fame by protesting U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War.

"For many of us, the visions of Jane Fonda glibly spouting anti-American messages with the North Vietnamese and protestors denouncing our own forces four decades ago is forever etched in our memories," he stated. "We must never let that happen again."

Quoting Gen. Douglas MacArthur, Cadmus noted: "The soldier, above all other people, prays for peace, for he must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war.

"We had hoped that the lessons learned from the Vietnam War would be clear to our fellow citizens,"
Cadmus stated. "Public protests against the war here at home while our young men and women are in harm's way on the other side of the globe only provide aid and comfort to our enemies.

"Understand that the terrorists they are engaging there would slit the throats of every American, adult and child, if they could," he added.

Resolution 3, which was passed unanimously by 4,000 delegates to the annual event, states: "The American Legion fully supports the president of the Untied States, the United States Congress and the men, women and leadership of our armed forces as they are engaged in the global war on terrorism and the troops who are engaged in protecting our values and way of life.


The measure recognizes that the global war on terrorism is as deadly as any war in which the United States has been previously engaged and that the president and Congress did authorize military actions in both Afghanistan and Iraq.

"No one respects the right to protest more than one who has fought for it, but we hope that Americans will present their views in correspondence to their elected officials rather than by public media events guaranteed to be picked up and used as tools of encouragement by our enemies," Cadmus said.

"It would be tragic if the freedoms our veterans fought so valiantly to protect would be used against their successors today as they battle terrorists bent on our destruction," he added. "Let's not repeat the mistakes of our past.

"I urge all Americans to rally around our armed forces and remember our fellow Americans who were viciously murdered on Sept. 11, 2001," Cadmus said. "We must commit ourselves to stand united together to defeat terrorism once and forever.

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Posted by ky/kentuckydan at 11:09 PM CDT
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Updated: Sunday, 3 June 2007 6:56 AM CDT
Monday, 22 August 2005
Are we there yet?
Are we there yet?

Topic: Iraq War
Are we there yet?

Are we there yet?

Are we there yet?

That mantra will be familiar to anyone who has taken small children on a road trip.

Notice the resemblance to the other side of the political fence?

So Poppas?

What DID you reply to them?

Something like:

Soon

We will get there when we get there.

When we get there I will TELL you.

Because?

We learned the hard way, that if we DID set a time table and a specific time of arrival, there was a good chance we would see a dreaded "Detour, Roadwork Ahead Sign".

THEN we would have to listen to unending whining of

"AWWWWWWWWW, you said we would BE there now!"

Am I unique or is the far Left sounding more and more like whiny kids in the back seat of a car on a long road trip.


In a way,I guess it makes sense,one side of the Political Divide values the Rights, Liberty and the Responsibility of the Individual, the other?

Wants Big Brother, or is it Gros Pere? To make all the decisions do all the thinking.

So we will just have to do what we did on long road trips grit our teeth, hunch our shoulders and repeat.

Soon.

When we get there I will tell you,

to the unending chorus of:

Are we there yet?

Are we there yet?

Are we there yet?

Are we there yet?

You know, it's not the first time a leader has had that problem in that part of the world.



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Posted by ky/kentuckydan at 4:51 PM CDT
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Updated: Sunday, 3 June 2007 6:52 AM CDT
Bomb Threat in Crawford
Topic: Iraq War
This in from Powerline

August 21, 2005

Our correspondent Gene Allen reports that just a few minutes ago, an unidentified man telephoned the Yellow Rose Gift Shop in Crawford, Texas and said, "Your shop is going up in smoke, you better get out now." Law enforcement is on the scene.

Gene describes the Yellow Rose as "a pro-Bush gift shop with a Ten Commandments monument out front. It is located across the street from the Coffee Station, down the street from the Crawford Peace House."

I don't suppose any of those peace-loving folks would have anything to do with a bomb threat.

UPDATE: Gene has more:

Last night there was a tiff between the anti-war protesters and Bush supporters in Crawford. The owner of the Yellow Rose stepped in to break it up. Law enforcement arrested one anti-war protester and he reportedly remains in jail. Police are investigating whether today's threat is connected to last night's incident. My source will be sending digital photos and I hope my 1gb mailbox is sufficient. She also took video and will burn a DVD to send me.
We'll pass on any new developments tomorrow.
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You know over the years I have met pacifists, Quakers, Amish and the like. Now THEY are real nice folks, Peaceful, Serene, not a bad word to say about or to anyone.

Some of these Anti-War Protesters? The PEACE(?) Activists? Come on they are not promoting Peace.
They are promoting the OTHER SIDE.

It is simple. If someone is really promoting Peace you can see it in the way they live their lives and treat other people.

They don't call in bomb threats.

They don't boo and call an Invalided Vet a Baby Killer.

Veteran gets rude welcome on Bainbridge

They don't call for a Memorial Service for the 1000th GI to die in Iraq and then harass his mother when she shows up.

Drake's mother was "harassed and yelled at, booed and hissed, told her son died for nothing."

Drake's mother reportedly left the event in tears.

The family attended the vigil because they thought it was meant to honor U.S. casualties. The event was organized by the Dallas Peace Center, which opposes the war.

You can know a tree by its fruits. I want you to just listen to the fruits of the Anti-War movement.

I read on one blog, the statement that they were the embodiment of American Patriotism.

Odd that used to be "I regret that I have but one life to give for me country."

Now for the Radical Left Anti-War Peace movement it has been changed into

"This country is not worth dying for.”

Just think if we had had more Patriots like that during the last 50 years, we TOO could have had GULAGS.

Patriots? Excuse me while I try to wash a foul taste out of my mouth.

Yeah they are not Patriots, they are just supporting the other side, or they are dumb enough to be used by those who are.

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Posted by ky/kentuckydan at 2:32 AM CDT
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Updated: Sunday, 3 June 2007 6:50 AM CDT
Friday, 19 August 2005
The Moral Authority
Topic: Iraq War
Of the mother

of a soldier

slain in Iraq

is not absolute

after all.

This in from

One Hand Clapping

Veterans for Peace dismiss Gold Star mother
by Donald Sensing @ 3:20 pm. Filed under War on terror, Domestic

Debbie Argel Bastian watched her son, Capt. Derek Argel, killed in Iraq, be buried at Arlington National Cemetery and is upset that a cross bearing his name has been erected by Veterans for Peace at Santa Barbara?s Arlington West memorial and a display outside President Bush?s Texas ranch, where Gold Star mother Cindy Sheehan continues to protest against President Bush.

Ms. Bastian has asked VFP to remove her son?s name from their displays, but they refused.

As long as a soldier?s name is on the Department of Defense list of war dead, his or her name will be erected on a cross, Mr. Anderson [Veterans for Peace] said. A family member, he added, ?doesn?t have that call? as to whether a name is listed.

But wait a minute ? haven?t we been told that ?the moral authority of parents who bury children killed in Iraq is absolute.

You can read the full story at

Yahoo News

The Gunner is a Minister now and does not allow profanity on his website. Pleas respect his wishes.

I would prefer the same here, but I AM thinking a few choice words.

If you feel like contacting

VETERANS FOR PEACE

Don't use profanity if possible. Simply ask them if they enjoy causing extra pain to the mothers of slain soldiers, and tell them you can understand why they do not have Mrs Bastian's photo on their website beside Mrs Sheehan's.

The Chrenkoff website has many other parents who feel much the same as Mrs Bastian, you won't be seeing them on TV, reading about them in the newspapers or seeing their photos on the Veterans for Peace website, normally, but you MAY see some of them on TV, because some of them are going to Crawford.

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Posted by ky/kentuckydan at 9:24 AM CDT
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Updated: Sunday, 3 June 2007 6:49 AM CDT
Thursday, 18 August 2005
There Is Something VERY Wrong Here Folks
Topic: Iraq War
I do the best I can to cover the issues that I feel are important in an interesting way.

I try the best I can to find items of importance I feel the Major Media has neglected, for instance the unrest and turmoil in Iraq.

When I see in my sitemeter account that someone has found my site via a search engine, I try to find out by what means, what key words they arrived on my site.

TODAY I saw THIS link.

CNN Websearch

I thought now THAT is cool, someone got here from CNN's website via their search on the web engine

Want to know what keywords they used?

casey sheenan If you click on the link the search will come up. I found my site to be the
18th hit

"Committees of Correspondence
... any persons who are theatre professionals at the Sheenan vigil, they should arrange things much more theatrically ... you have it folks, FIRST Casey Sheehan must be forgotten and his ...
www.angelfire.com "

This should not happen folks. Of COURSE I am pleased that people come here and it shows up in search engines, but I am a SMALL site.

I should NOT be the 18th link for "casey sheehan"
Unless the denizens of DailyKos are succeeding.

Remember one of their goals was Casey Sheehan must be forgotten

The man and what he stood for must NOT be erased and replaced by a political agenda which defames him and the men he served with,

We must NOT let that happen.

Ordinarily I would be very proud, to rank so high on a websearch, it is one of the greatest complements someone doing this can get.

But today, my temporary victory is hollow, I feel only disgust and loathing.

I don't rank that high. I should be way back in the links, a minor site on the internet, that some but still a very few go to. I should NOT be the 18th link on the worldwide web with this man's name as keywords.

NO this is NOT right, even GOOGLE has me here

Google Search

"Results 31 - 40 of about 3,840 for casey sheenan. (0.41 seconds)"

"Committees of Correspondence
If there are any persons who are theatre professionals at the Sheenan vigil, ...
THEY would like to extinguish the name and desires of Casey Sheehan. ...
www.angelfire.com/ky/kentuckydan/ CommitteesofCorrespondence/ - 81k - Aug 17, 2005 - Cached - Similar pages "

DAMN IT! Being ranked that high on a google search on a major issue should make me PROUD instead I feel like crying. It's like have the grand prize turn into ashes.

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