Monday, 3 October 2005
Ayaan Hirsi Ali .Web-Log.nl
Topic: Islamic Jihad
I discovered that the Video Link contained in a previous post no longer functions.
I regret andy this may have produced.
I now have updated that post and will place here two alternative links from the Ayaan Hirsi Ali .Web-Log
To Ayaan Hirsi Ali's Submission
Another Link on the Ayaan Hirsi Ali Blog
Anyone who has difficulty with these links please leave a note in the comments section?
For those with strong stomachs you can go to
Slaughter And 'Submission'
Where you can read and watch a video clip of CBS's finest, advocating that SHE is responsible for the Death of Theo Van Gogh and the unrest that ensued there after.
One of the questions asked of her was
"Surely that must have been a gross insult to devout Muslims, to see those pictures," says Safer, of the images that appear in "Submission."
I think her answer was quite to the point.
"It depends," says Hirsi Ali. "If you're a Muslim woman and you read the Koran, and you read in there that you should be raped if you say 'no' to your husband, that is offensive. And that is insulting."
After the murder of Van Gogh, Hirsi Ali stayed in hiding for about three months. In January, she returned to parliament, to a democracy less sure of itself, and a new anxiety in Holland: a feeling that it?s no longer safe to speak out or make art or movies about certain subjects.
Organizers of the Rotterdam Film Festival, for instance, cancelled a showing of ?Submission,? saying they feared violence.
I would say the Rotterdam Film Festival agrees with Morley it is always safer not to oppose Terrorism.
But Hirsi Ali refuses to back down. She says she's going to make a sequel to "Submission."
"By not making 'Submission Part II,' I would only be helping terrorists believe that if they use violence, they're rewarded with what they want," says Hirsi Ali.
Will she submit to the threats? "Not me," she says.
Sunday, 2 October 2005
U. of Oklahoma Blast Is Apparent Suicide
Topic: Islamic Jihad
This just in from LGFSuicide Bombing in OklahomaYou’ll have to hunt for the news—mainstream media seems almost totally uninterested—but there was a suicide bombing outside a football stadium at the University of Oklahoma last night: U. of Oklahoma Blast Is Apparent Suicide. (Hat tip: LGF readers.)
NORMAN, Okla. - One person was killed in an explosion near a packed football stadium at the University of Oklahoma on Saturday night in what authorities said appeared to be a suicide.
The blast, in a traffic circle about 100 yards from Oklahoma Memorial Stadium, could be heard by some in the crowd of 84,000, but university President David Boren said no one inside the stadium was ever in danger.
"We are apparently dealing with an individual suicide, which is under full investigation," Boren said in a statement. There was no information about the person who was killed, and no reports of any other injuries.
A police bomb squad detonated explosives found at the site of the blast. The area near the stadium was searched by bomb-sniffing dogs.
Michelle Malkin now has more extensive information.
SUICIDE BOMBER IN OKLAHOMA
Let's hope is was just someone depressed, who wanted to go out with a bang. But the truth is something like Bali and London is just a matter of time.
For al-Zarqawi has been very clear about who the real enemy is
"We have declared a bitter war against democracy and all those who seek to enact it," said the speaker in the 35-minute message.
"Democracy is also based on the right to choose your religion," he said, and that is "against the rule of God.
To that there is only ONE answer as given by Patick Henry at the Dawn of our Republic
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry,
Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun!
The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
For those of our Society who cannot be stirred by Patrick Henry, there is but the message of Samuel Adams to their like in our past.
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude
greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace.
We seek not your counsel, nor your arms
. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you;
May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity
forget that ye were our countrymen."
And when or if things like this come again to our shores I do NOT want to see Congress assembled singing "God Bless America"
I want to hear
THE BATTLE HYMN OF THE REPUBLIC!
Saturday, 1 October 2005
First Piglet Then Lassie?????????
Topic: Islamic Jihad
I just ran across the latest bend over backwards appeasement of Muslims sensibilities from
Dean's World Piglet Banned
LGF British Dhimmitude Watch
Winnie the Pooh and Piglet are banned in Britain: Muslims win toy pigs ban
. (Hat tip: Spiritualized.)
NOVELTY pig calendars and toys have been banned from a council office — in case they offend Muslim staff.
Workers in the benefits department at Dudley Council, West Midlands, were told to remove or cover up all pig-related items, including toys, porcelain figures, calendars and even a tissue box featuring Winnie the Pooh and Piglet.
Bosses acted after a Muslim complained about pig-shaped stress relievers delivered to the council in the run-up to the Islamic festival of Ramadan. Muslims are barred from eating pork in the Koran and consider pigs unclean.
Councilor Mahbubur Rahman, a practicing Muslim, backed the ban. He said: “It’s a tolerance of people’s beliefs.”
Let us leave aside for a moment the fact that the word tolerance
means "The capacity for or the practice of recognizing and respecting the beliefs or practices of others." and does NOT mean allowing the prejudices and intolerance of others to have practices and objects banned that have no real effect upon them.
Let us leave aside for the moment the fact that to my knowledge NO Jewish organization, synagogue or association have ever asked for something like this.
Let's look at the fact that Muslims are not forbidden
to touch pigs (although eating them is forbidden), one merely has to wash one's hands afterwords
Looks like a terrible imposition to me asking them to look at something they find distasteful, let us sanitize our entire society?
However those who have backed this attempt at false tolerance, by limiting the practices of All to conform to the prejudices of the few have overlooked one very important item.
Dogs are also considered ritually impure by Muslims. In fact, according to this ruling, it's easier to remove the ritual impurity associated with pigs than that associated with dogs.
"With regard to how to cleanse oneself of pig-related impurity, some scholars are of the view that it should be washed seven times, one of which should be with earth, by analogy with dogs.
But the correct view is that pig-related impurity should be washed only once"
I mean Dogs are FAR more impure than Pigs
Does touching a dog make one's hand naajis (impure)?
The impurity of dogs is the greatest of animal impurities. The impurity of a dog can only be removed by washing seven times, one of which should be with earth. Even pigs, which the Qur’aan states are haraam and describes as an abomination (rijs) are not naajis (impure) to such an extent
So Piglet is a big deal and must be removed?
Guess what folks LASSIE is an even BIGGER DEAL to Muslims are we NOW going to remove all evidence of what our Society calls Man's Best Friend from view because to a Believing Muslim The impurity of dogs is the greatest of animal
SMILE when you say that Partner!
And before you try to ban ME
better ask yourself ONE question
"Do you feel LUCKY Punk?"
Looks there is a backlash already and I have to say I LOVE it! LOL
Hattip to Tongue Tied
Pigs might fly ... but in this snort of motor?
All joking aside this has more serious implications than on the surface. I read this off a referal link to my website a lady in Yorkshire.
# DaBarlbyMassive Says:
October 2nd, 2005 at 3:20 am
It?s not an isolated example either. There have been cases of butchers being told to take displays of pork out of their shop windows and one little old lady had to take her porcelain pig figures off her window will.
I might be getting a knock on the door myself soon, since I?ve put up a picture of Miss Piggy on my own blog.
and let?s not forget Theo Van Gogh? btw
anyone who has never actually viewed the Film for which he was butchered in the street?
I have a link to it here
Friday, 30 September 2005
Prove You're Not A Camel
Topic: Out of Flyover Land
I like Russian street humor from the Soviet Era.
I like to see Socialism, with it's mask off, as viewed by those who lived/survived under its heel for most of the 20th Century and one of my favorite anekdoty is:A rabbit ran wildly in the street.
"Why are you running like mad?" a bear asked.
"Don't you know, they are now arresting all camels and castrating them."
"But you're rabbit, not a camel."
"Right, but if they catch you, and cut off your nuts, then prove that you're not a camel!
(This joke relates to the mass arrests of innocent people conducted by the predecessors of what later became known as the KGB. The punch line of this joke, "Prove that you're not a camel," has become a widely used part of the Russian vernacular, being applied to many situations when an innocent person becomes a victim of arbitrary persecutions, purges, layoffs, etc."
What does the above have to do with present conditions? The KGB had a presumption of guilt and by the time one proved if possible that they had made a mistake, which they never did, it was too late to do any good.
Sounds like the Legacy Media doesn't it. If you are a Conservative, Libertarian or Republican figure?
Look at all the hysterical reporting that came out of the first few days of Katrina? What do YOU think the Media and the Democrats wanted to do with Bush and any Republican figure who was in the limelight then?
Of course they DID have better sense than to try anything with the Ragin Cajun, he doesn't have to worry about being re-elected, but after his setting the record straight,
"You are Stuck on Stupid" or " That's B.S. It's B.S.,"
"You need to get on the streets of New Orleans, you can't sit back here and say what you hear from someone else."
Which is the difference between our Society and Real Fascism, you not only have freedom of speech, you have freedom after speech.
The record does seem to indicate that of all the complaints about inadequate performance the Media probably won first prize.
The question remains, was this by incompetence or intent?
In much the same vein, America takes heavy hits in the International Media.
Compare the hysterical coverage of Katrina to Europe a few years back. Does anyone call as much finger pointing and blame casting when about 25,000 people died in a heat wave?The Left?s Crimes of SilenceBy Ralph Peters
FrontPageMagazine.com | July 21, 2004
August will mark the anniversary of the needless death of tens of thousands of innocents, of callous disregard for the widespread suffering of the weak on the part of imperious governments.
No, the anniversary has nothing to do with Iraq: It will have been one year since a heat wave swept Europe, killing more than 25,000 of the elderly and unprotected (15,000 in glorious France alone).
The death toll wrought by nonchalant neglect in Europe last August remains considerably higher than the total number of fatalities in Iraq since the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom?friendly, enemy and civilian combined.
The American Left never blinked as the real ?old Europe? perished in the multitudes. There wasn?t a whisper of criticism of those ?more humane? European governments whose apparatchiks refused to interrupt their summer vacations to respond to the mass dying among Europe?s pensioners. Those admirable European health-care systems failed horrendously?yet they remain, of course, the models to which we should aspire (no matter that every European I know prefers private care, if they can afford it).
Meanwhile, another August looms in that Leftist?s fairy-tale world across the Atlantic. What measures have those humane Europeans put in place to protect the elderly against a return of high temperatures? That paragon of virtues, the French government, informed its elderly citizens that they need to figure out where they can go to stay cool.
Now that?s social justice
Or to bring up matters that are current? How much play do you think THIS from !No Pasaran!
will get?While Hired to Make Powdered Milk for Iraqi Children, French Arms Company Built a Chemical Weapons Factory for Saddam
Is it any wonder what reputation America has among the European masses when even the History of the last half century is being edited to exclude any positive efforts on our part in that region?
At least Medienkritik
keeps track of these things for us, we are not totally bereft of friends there yet.Belittling and Diminishing America's Role
(By Ray D.)
Our good friend DL recently reminded us of the slow but creeping removal of all things American from German history. He related how surprised he was to see almost no mention of America's role in the Cold War and reunification in an exhibit at the Reichstag in Berlin.
Well, unfortunately, DL shouldn't be surprised. Although it is true that the United States was the indispensable nation for German democracy during and after the Second World War, this sort of slow airbrushing and denial of history is clearly taking its steady course in today's Germany. We need look no further than the Berlin city government's forcible removal of the privately funded Checkpoint Charlie monument. These manifestations of historic denial are hardly surprising in a Germany overrun by anti-American media and politics over the past three years, yet they are profoundly disappointing and disturbing nonetheless.
But despite its slow death, the history of America's sacrifice clearly remains an irritating thorn in the side of many a German media elite. After all, it is exceptionally difficult to forget that the United States took the Fascist murder state that was Germany and turned it into a flourishing democracy and then protected it for decades until the nation united with its depressed Communist half. The result is that many Germans are still fighting with the historic legacy to regain their own claim to the moral high ground and a sense of historic legitimacy. The erasure of America's role in German history goes hand-in-hand with that struggle.
So when your average left-wing German journalist sees an event like the 2000 election or the Iraq war, he or she doesn't care much for the facts or details. There is but one word necessary and appropriate to describe the problems and challenges facing America: DEBACLE! And if that doesn't suffice, there are four additional words that sum everything else up: It's all Bush's fault!
This is our reality according to the French philosopher Andre Glucksmann
in an interview with Germany's left-wing weekly SPIEGEL, defends America against accusations of imperialism:
The mythology of American superiority is used to make the US responsible for everything and to make it guilty for everything. (...)
If generations are being sheltered from any good we have ever done, and only presented with a distorted and biased version of what we are
doing now, is it any wonder that America must continually,Prove we are not Camels?
Wednesday, 28 September 2005
WE DID IT!! The IFC Has Been Removed from Ground Zero!
This just in from
We are very pleased to announce that Governor Pataki has announced the removal of the International Freedom Center (IFC) from Ground Zero. See
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/28/AR2005092801849.html for details.
Every since June 8, 2005 when Debra Bulingame's op-ed, The Great Ground Zero Heist, appeared in the Wall Street Journal, we have fought together for the preservation of the dignity of Ground Zero. With your help, we have achieved a major victory toward that goal.
We will continue to monitor the plans for Ground Zero to ensure that a fitting and proper memorial is built; one that is respectful of the victims murdered that day, their families, the first responders, and the American people.
A press release on the removal of the IFC from the 15 family member groups is expected in the next 24 hours and we will post it @www.takebackthememorial.org as soon as it becomes available.
Thank you again for your support, prayers, and dedication. We simply could not have done this without you.
Robert D. Shurbet
I Had A Really Bad Thought
Topic: Out of Flyover Land
Suppose we DO spend the 200 to 250 Billion Dollars to rebuild New Orleans.
And THEN the New Madrid Fault pops and the Mississippi River, jumps it's banks and lands smack dab on top of New Orleans.
I mean eye witnesses from the Great Quake report that they had a clear sight of the West Bank of the Mississippi from the East Bank, the land dropped and for a split second the water was suspended in Mid Air. The Mississippi ran backwards for 2 days to fill up Lake Reelfoot.
In all the talk about Sea Surges and being below Sea Level most folks have not thought or do not realize that New Orleans is also BELOW the Mississippi River!
Tourists in Jackson Square delight in sitting on a bench just a few feet above sea level and looking up at the river's traffic floating 11 feet higher. Ships traveling down the Mississippi appear to hover over the city below.
Hurricanes are not the only thing that can cause flooding. Rain can do it too.
The Great Flood of 1927 peaked in May of that year and in places, houses 75 MILES from the former river bank, were UNDER water!
Do we need the Port of New Orleans?
No question it is vital to the transportation of Americas grain and thus to the World Food Market.
Do we need an infra-structure and a workforce in place to support the Port? Goes without saying.
Do we need to put New Orleans back the way it was?
Not unless we want to keep rebuilding it.
I mean take a good look at this and tell me if YOU think it is wise to build a major City where it is below the level of the Mississippi, to say nothing of below Sea Level.
The Mississippi and its swollen tributaries reached peak levels in April of 1927 and overflowed their banks. One by one, levees built to contain the river broke, and a wall of water pushed its way across Midwestern farmlands. The flood covered 27,000 square miles, an area about the size of Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Hampshire, and Vermont combined. For two long months the water would remain above flood stage, leaving hundreds of thousands of people displaced from their homes.
I would say the Commisar over at Politburo Diktat thinks about the same.
Levee Reconstruction in New Orleans Problematic
In the short term, the levees can?t be rebuilt to withstand a Category 3 hurricane. In the long term, New Orleans is sinking in the Gulf. Maybe we should think this over before we spend $200 billion.
Tuesday, 27 September 2005
Topic: Iraq War
I quite often am curious about my readers, so if I see one coming from an interesting domain, I am tempted to go to it, and look around.
Tonight I noticed I had a reader from http://www.jmu.edu/
Which turned out to be James Madison University
I then found its online magazine Madison Online
But THIS was the coolest of allOperation Purple Pride
The views from the troops
If you're serving in Afghanistan or Iraq, you're making a special sacrifice, and that's news. Operation Purple Pride is the place to share your experiences with your classmates and the rest of the Madison community.
Whether you're interacting with the people of Iraq and Afghanistan, fighting insurgents, flying jets and helicopters, or supplying the troops from home, you have a story to tell. Operation Purple Pride welcomes personal diaries or journals, photos, quick news updates about you and other classmates, and background pieces that give context and understanding to what is shown on the news. Please share your special insights, those moments that make the sacrifice worth it, the triumphs and tragedies. News of your experience will enrich the Madison community.
Please email your queries, news, notes and photos to email@example.com.
Operation Purple Pride: Richmond Alumni The Richmond Alumni Chapter honors three Dukes in uniform, including Lance Cpl. Jourdan L. Grez, who died May 11 in Iraq and two on active duty... MORE
If you are tired of information filtered by the Mainstream Media here are some first hand accounts from folks who did not get their information while spending most of their time in a hotel.
Thanks to my unknown friend from James Madison and if you drop back in and read this, give us a holler in the comments?
Let me know if "Purple Pride" gets its meaning from this?
Civil War in the Anti-War Movement
Topic: Iraq War
I find I continually underestimate the extremes of one side of the Political Spectrum
This from LGF Dissent in San Diego
and THE INDEPUNDITFracture LinesJAMAL KANJ, a fiery Palestinian from a group called Al-Awda, takes the podium. “We Palestinians,” he begins, “have been subjected to GENOCIDE at the hands of the Israelis for generations.“ He rants on. ”In 1948, they forced us out of our homes, and today we must DRIVE THE JEWS from PALESTINE!”
Suddenly, a middle-aged man wearing a black “F the President” T-shirt rushes the stage, screaming at Kanj, “I’m TIRED of this CRAP! You people keep bringing this up! This is supposed to be an ANTI-WAR rally, not an ANTI-ISRAEL rally!”
Kanj yells back, into the microphone. Others in the crowd stand up and join in the shouting match.
The Arab-Israeli conflict has arrived in San Diego.
Red-vested “peace monitors” converge on T-shirt Man, trying to contain this sudden outburst of dissent. They are followed closely by the San Diego Police Department, who quickly take control of the situation and lead the man away.
AT LEAST A THIRD of the crowd has departed. Others remain behind only to express their disappointment and disgust. The organizers argue amongst themselves.
Let me see if I have this straight,
An Anti-War Protester
Was Lead away from an Anti-War Protest by the Police.
He was Protesting
That the Anti-War Protest
Was not Protesting the War?
You can NOT make up stuff this good!
We need a Protest like this in every
city in the Nation, so folks can see just what these people are really like, not filtered thought the media.
Or better yet, how about Jerry Springer producing
a new Reality Show called the Protest?
Where the members eliminate each other?
Wow what a Challenge that would be for Karl Rove
to sneak in some Protest Warriors and fix it so THEY would win. LOL
(Do go to Indepundit and check out the whole story and the photos!)
Monday, 26 September 2005
They Came For Us
Topic: Out of Flyover Land
Those who study History are doomed to see it repeated by those who don't.
We never learn.
First they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.
New and updated version
When they came for the Fourth Amendment, I did not say anything - because I had nothing to hide.
When they came for the Second Amendment, I did not say anything - because I did not own a gun.
When they came for the Fifth and Sixth amendments, I did not say anything - because I had committed no crimes.
When they came for the first Amendment - I could not say anything.
On Protein Wisdom there is thread about the Senate Judiciary Committee hearings on the nomination of John Roberts for Chief Justice.Bobbing Roberts
For me the most important, the most dangerous concepts which have arisen during this confirmation hearing were--On the final day of the Roberts hearings, Sen. Richard J. Durbin of Illinois tried one last time: “If you’ve made one point many times over . . . the course of the last three days,” he told the judge, “it is that as a judge you will be loyal and faithful to the process of law, to the rule of law.” But “beyond loyalty to the process of law,” he asked Roberts, “how do you view [the] law when it comes to expanding our personal freedom? . . . That’s what I’ve been asking.”
And so, in various ways, had Durbin’s Democratic colleagues been asking about such matters--ones “beyond loyalty” to the rule of law. In response to Durbin, Roberts stuck to the point he had indeed made “many times over.” Reframing the senator’s question so as to reach the core issue, Roberts said, “Somebody asked me, you know, ‘Are you going to be on the side of the little guy?’ And you obviously want to give an immediate answer. But as you reflect on it, if the Constitution says that the little guy should win, the little guy is going to win in court before me. But if the Constitution says that the big guy should win, well, then the big guy is going to win, because my obligation is to the Constitution. That’s the oath. The oath that a judge takes is not that ‘I’ll look out for particular interests.’ . . . The oath is to uphold the Constitution and laws of the United States, and that’s what I would do.
Good intentions can be the
most dangerous thing. Actions for the Greater Good can be as dangerous.
The LAW is never supposed to be FOR someone, never biased nor adversarial, lawyers can and must be, but the Law and Judges should never be.
When we cross that line we are no longer governed by Law and the Constitution, but by fiat. I do not care how well intentioned a persons motives are this opens the gate for and oppression because there is NO guarantee that once the Law is perverted to be biased towards one element of Society it cannot be biased towards others. In the end it will be biased towards those who can muster the most power and the FUNDAMENTAL principle of our Nation that ALL rights are the Inalienable attribute of the Individual has been sacrificed to whatever the current political desire is. There can be no other outcome.
In Kelo versus New London the protections of the V Amendment
"nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
Public use become to "benefit" the Public, there for Eminent Domain may now be used to take one person's property, NOT for the use
of the Public, but to turn it over to other private individuals to develop and the increased Tax Revenue will be for the Greater Good of all, but the RIGHTS of an individual are now gone.
But their intentions
were caring so I guess that makes this sundering of the rights of the individual all OK.
When McCain-Feingold first reared its ugly head few cared because it only effected the "Rich", not that it seems to have hindered George Soros much, but the public perception was we needed to be protected by undue influence by the "Rich" for the Greater Good as usual.
But what is the reality, what does all this mean
? The ACLU and Court Action has decreed that burning the American Flag is protected speech, freedom of expression.
Has anyone ever heard the phrase, "Put your money, where your mouth is."? How can there be any more important speech or expression in a Democracy than supporting a Political Platform or Politician that you believe in?
But you say but=== No, you either BELIEVE in the Constitution and the Rights enumerated or you DON'T.
For me it is that simple. Can there be abuses? Yes there can and they, the abuses will be illegal.
But as Benjamin Franklin stated.
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security
Most of the Nation was willing to give up part of our basic rights of Freedom of Speech, because HEY it was only going to effect the "Rich" not any of us regular people. Right? Then they came for us
The FEC started thinking that the same statutes should be applied to bloggers. That could even include someone on minimum wage who blogs from a free computer in a library.
But don't worry we are told, they are not going to apply the new interpretations to the "little guy" we are going to have TWO sets of Law in this country?
When they came after us it was different wasn't it?
We NEED men like Judge Roberts on the Supreme Court.
We NEED men who are willing to uphold the Constitution from US
I tried to illustrate how Kelo versus New London and
McCain-Feingold are perversions of our Basic Rights and the Principles this Nation were founded upon.
I doubt there are many who will disagree with me about Kelo versus New London.
For those who still labour under the illusion that McCain-Feingold is still just as long as it is only applied to the "Rich"
I ask this one simple question.
Whatever makes you think that if the Rights of Speech, Assembly and Association of those deemed "Rich" can be sundered so easily and willingly,
are still intact?
And then they came for us and there was no one left to say anything.
Saturday, 24 September 2005
I am on the same side as Hilary Clinton?
Got another email from our friends and neighbors at
I have to be honest folks, ANY ally in this struggle is welcome aid, but when I read the first line of the following my reaction, WAS a startled.
I'm on the same side as Hilary Clinton?
But its really a good sign, I mean if the US Senator whose helicopter in Afghanistan,when she did a tour of the country, was given the nickname buy the troops, "Broom Stick One" I mean if SHE is opposing a Leftist Cause, it must have overwhelming opposition in the Country.
At the Time of this post, 10:20 PM CDT Saturday 24,2005 here are the results so far of the Newsday poll.
Yes, it will be a learning tool. (274 responses)
No, the site should be used as a memorial only. (12469 responses)
Not sure. (143 responses)
12886 total responses
We can do better folks, spread the word.
Speaking of word here is the word from the New York Post and Take Back the Memorial dot Org on Hillary Clinton's Position.
HILLARY COMES OUT AGAINST FREEDOM CENTER
By DEBORAH ORIN
WASHINGTON - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton yesterday dealt a crushing blow to the International Freedom Center planned for Ground Zero, saying she wants the project canned for failing to listen to the 9/11 families.
"I cannot support the IFC," Clinton declared last night in a strongly worded statement in response to an inquiry from The Post.
Her tough comments are Clinton's first significant remarks about the controversy raging at Ground Zero over the Freedom Center, which 9/11 families and other critics fear will become a center of anti-Americanism.
"While I want to ensure that development and rebuilding in lower Manhattan move forward expeditiously, I am troubled by the serious concerns family members and first responders have expressed to me," Clinton said.
"The LMDC [Lower Manhattan Development Corp.] has authority over the site and I do not believe we can move forward until it heeds and addresses their concerns."
The family members of victims, as well as unions representing the city's cops and firefighters, want nothing less than the Freedom Center being booted from Ground Zero.
Given her influence, Clinton's hard line could spell doom for the Freedom Center's hopes of remaining at the World Trade Center site.
Clinton spoke out the day after the IFC released a plan intended to save its spot at the site, but it was met with immediate opposition from 9/11 families.
Clinton won't support any plan unless the families and first responders back it, said her spokesman, Philippe Reines.
Many relatives of 9/11 victims denounced the Freedom Center plan as an insult to the 2,749 people who diedat the Twin Towers because it would paint them as a little more than a footnote to the world's march toward freedom.
The families, cops and firefighters say the IFC's plan to use hallowed land at Ground Zero to highlight poverty as a barrier to freedom diminishes the tragedy of 9/11.
Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) also voiced concern yesterday and called for a compromise ? although he didn't state flat-out opposition to the Freedom Center.
"There's got to be a way to meet the families' sincere and real needs and build a center that honors the freedom that the victims died for. We hope that the LMDC will find some common ground quickly," Schumer said.
Gov. Pataki ? who wields strong influence over the LMDC, which will soon decide the Freedom Center's fate ? is traveling abroad and has yet to take a stand on the Freedom Center's latest proposal. Pataki has said thathe won't support any plan that offers a forum for anti-Americanism.
Clinton's opposition means that the anti-IFC push is now a bipartisan cause. Three New York Republicans ? Reps. John Sweeney (Saratoga), Peter King (L.I.) and Vito Fossella (S.I.) ? are already challenging it as a "blame America first" project.
Yesterday, the trio of Republicans formally requested a congressional oversight hearing as a step toward blocking the IFC from getting any of the $2.7 billion in federal funds allocated for Ground Zero.
"The whole thing was hijacked. If you asked people on the street what they wanted at Ground Zero, this would be the last thing that they wanted," Sweeney said.
Hillary's home run
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