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Underage Porn Websites Discussion

This is a forum thread I salvaged just before it was taken down by the authoritarian mods at Cinescape.

beaxbatandball
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Sun Jun 29 2003 07:16 AM
Underage Porn Websites

Ugh, I have nothing to say.

Opinions?



beaxbatandball
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Sun Jun 29 2003 07:27 AM
Re: Underage Porn Websites

What I find really disturbing is that they've all got the same type of layout but a different girl. If you look at the websites...

All the websites have the same sort of name, like www._____-model.com, www._____-teen-model.com. They all have the same pages, like Join, My Bio, Members, Contact, Links, Admin. I think the sites look too proffesional to be made by eleven year-olds. Not that eleven-year-olds can't make websites, they just look a bit too advanced. They all have the title "Grand opening"on them.... I'll leave you to ponder.


hogwartscaralina
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Sun Jun 29 2003 08:14 AM
Re: Underage Porn Websites

Thats HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!! The sad thing is , that their parents think that this kind of thing is ok..wow. That is really
sad. They have nothing to show either..how stupid...what has the world come to??


texaslonghorn border=0>
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Sun Jun 29 2003 08:53 AM
Re: Underage Porn Websites

If people are interested in discussing the exploitation of young girls, so be it. I removed the links, however. I think the title of the thread gives enough insight into the topic to be discussed.



jaak
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Sun Jun 29 2003 11:40 AM
Re: Underage Porn Websites

The title cannot be correct, because if they were underage pornography, they would be illegal. Which they are not.
For proof of that from a jury of peers (don't worry, no girls pictured in link - just news), see
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/2038535/detail.html

The websites are definitely standardized, and also have a banner interlinking them. What I wonder about, however, is - how old must a child be to set up arrangements to be paid by credit card for site memberships?

Of course, I also wonder what the arrangements are between models and photographers, but it is harder to tell.


Tomwilliams
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Sun Jun 29 2003 03:37 PM
Re: Underage Porn Websites

Hulk smash puny child porn!

beaxbatandball
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Mon Jun 30 2003 12:44 PM
Re: Underage Porn Websites

I did my research and found out some info about the link I mentioned.

"Ok I blogged about this about 2 months ago.I posted it when I had just started my site and didn't have many hits.So now I'm looking for your opinions on this matter.

A while back I was flipping through channels, and I stopped at Dr.Phil I believe it is? It's the doctor from the Opera show if you don't know who I'm talking about.If you still don't know, it's a talk show.

Ok the subject on there was about are your daughters dressing too sexy.Pretty typical talk show topic.

They showed a website where this little girl ..who was about 12 i believe , was posing sexy in showy clothes.A month or so before that I was searching through google for some cute clothes.. maybe to buy.Well these are the results I got.Now you're thinking, yea so.. ok wow.

Take a closer look, see "jessi the kid" that is the exact girl he was talking about on his show. The mother said she was not going to come on the show and she believes that she is just helping her daughter pave her way through modeling and school.It's just something fun that Jessi likes to do in her spare time.Aside from Jessi,look at all of these other very very young "models" on Jessi's link page.Now first of all these girls are far too young to have that look in their eyes.I don't even know where to start off.Where do they learn such poses and do they know exactly what they are doing?I believe this is a pedaphile's cookie jar.You can register on most of these sites to see exclusive pictures of the girls modeling in very very skimpy clothing.

Ex. G-STRING bikini. the girl is only 11 , why the hell is she wearing that?!

Maybe I'm out of line when I wrote the title "legal child porn" but what else could it be! I truley believe that this contributes to the perverted men cramping online.

I just wanted to see some thoughts and opinions on this?I would never ever put a child of mine is a skimpy bathing suit, have her look at the camera in seductive glances then sale her photos online to be in the minds of disgusting men.Would you?

Do you feel that this is only fun,like the mother said?
Is she trying to create a huge profit from the online pedaphiles?"

Credit to: http://emotion-sick.com/


jaak
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Mon Jun 30 2003 01:23 PM
Re: Underage Porn Websites

Are these skimpy bathing suits custom-made for child models or available commercially?

If they are commercially available, who else wear them? Do girls also wear such skimpy bathing suits on public beaches?

What kind of parents buy such clothes and let their daughters wear them?

If the outfits are commercial, then sale of pictures by net is safe and profitable by comparison to just living your life, walking on streets, sunbathing and swimming on public beaches et cetera.


hogwartscaralina
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Mon Jun 30 2003 02:23 PM
Re: Underage Porn Websites

Most of the time the people who buy these things are in college so their parents have no idea and other high school girls who wear them go on shopping trips with just their friends so their parents have no idea what they are getting so they only really wear them when their parents aren't around. But these people wearing them and their parents thinking that that is okay is jsut ...wrong. I dont even know why they want to appeal to guys when they are so..little. >

Tomwilliams
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Mon Jun 30 2003 06:01 PM
Re: Underage Porn Websites

Hulk crush sick child bikini industry!

darkchi
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Mon Jun 30 2003 08:49 PM
Re: Underage Porn Websites

Hey, I wear guys board shorts ove my bikini......little kids in skimpy outfits are just disgusting because they think they're old enough to be wearing them and some parents just think oh it's okay, it's so cute.....Naw, when you don't have anything to show and you think you're old enough to wear something that shows from here to Mexico....blimey...don't even get me started on ten years olds on AIM chat rooms who think they're old enough to keep away from pedaphiles. A friend of mine has a close friend who dances dirtier than I do, and plucks her eyebrows and dresses like she's nineteen, and she's only eight. It's disturbing. But really, who's to blame? Either the media or bad parenting. And child porn is just nasty, it just results in underage pregnancy and such....blimey.

jaak
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Tue Jul 01 2003 01:39 AM
Re: Underage Porn Websites

In reply to:

Most of the time the people who buy these things are in college so their parents have no idea and other high school girls who wear them go on shopping trips with just their friends so their parents have no idea what they are getting so they only really wear them when their parents aren't around.



Those girls would be too big for these outfits, then!


darkchi
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Tue Jul 01 2003 03:20 PM
Re: Underage Porn Websites

You'd be unpleasntly suprised on what some people can fit themselves into*disgusted look on her face.*

Tomwilliams
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Tue Jul 01 2003 10:01 PM
Re: Underage Porn Websites

In reply to:

You'd be unpleasntly suprised on what some people can fit themselves into



Urgh! Hulk not like bad mental image!


locim2
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Sat Aug 16 2003 05:53 AM
Re: U

Many people are reluctant to talk about child porn, so very little is known about it. I have a few points I'd like to say.

Firstly, because of the prevalence of pedophilia, I wonder whether sexual attraction for minors is an natural, innate emotion adult males feel. If you browse the Internet you'll find heaps of child modelling and "barely legal" porn sites. High supply implies high demand.

If sexual attraction for minors is an innate male biological urge, is there a way this urge can be satiated while minimizing the possibility that any minor is harmed? This throws up the issue of virtual child porn, which doesn't harm any kids in its production, but provides a means by which pedophiles can release their urges.


hattie
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Sat Aug 16 2003 09:07 AM
Re: U

That is sick! I mean who would let their daughters wear such clothing? My mom wouldn't even let me wear a two peice swim suit when I was 11! My goodness!

WinterPhoenix
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Sun Aug 17 2003 06:12 AM
Re: U

I can not believe that their parents let the children do this. The children at their age, I think are too young to properly understand, this kind of thing will stay with the children for the rest of their lives, so I believe it is left down to the guardians of the children to prevent this, and I think it is just plain sick

Of course this is just my opinion


Tomwilliams
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Sun Aug 17 2003 08:05 AM
Re: U

In reply to:

Firstly, because of the prevalence of pedophilia, I wonder whether sexual attraction for minors is an natural, innate emotion adult males feel.




I've got a theory on this.
Sexual desire is the desire to procreate. When reduced to it's most basic components, the reason we want sex is our natural instinct to reproduce, even if we don't consciously acknowledge it.
People are at their sexual peak in their mid-teens. During puberty is when girls become fertile, boys start to produce sperm, and both genders are extremely sexually potent. It's therefore only natural that these are people who we are attracted to. This is why older women are deemed unattractive; if they're infertile there's no biological point of having sex, right? If we didn't become sexually active till our mid-thirties I can only assume that they would be people we're attracted to. As a result, whether we accept it or deny it, the sexual partner many people would subconsciously want is someone in puberty. It's therefore unfortunate that kids in their teens are too young to responsibly consent to sex (I'm opposed to bestiality for pretty much the same reason). For some, the idea of "young = sexually attractive" can be taken to the extreme, which is where we have children much younger than puberty being abused.
(In case anyone's getting the wrong idea, I'd like to point out that in no way am I saying that sex should be purely for reproduction - I'm in favour of safe sex, homosexuality or any other kind of non-reproductive sex.)

In reply to:

If sexual attraction for minors is an innate male biological urge, is there a way this urge can be satiated while minimizing the possibility that any minor is harmed? This throws up the issue of virtual child porn, which doesn't harm any kids in its production, but provides a means by which pedophiles can release their urges.



I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. Although I don't seek it out or enjoy it, I'm in favour of virtual child porn. Anyone who has even scratched the surface of hentai websites will surely have noticed the prevalence of adult images of young children, from series like Sailor Moon or Cardcaptor Sakura. I don't generally like to talk about the fact I condone stuff like this for fear of being called a pervert, but if this provides an alternative to real photographs of underage children then, God Almighty, what could be wrong with it?


stormline
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Sun Aug 17 2003 03:40 PM
Re: U

In reply to:

I can not believe that their parents let the children do this. The children at their age, I think are too young to properly understand, this kind of thing will stay with the children for the rest of their lives, so I believe it is left down to the guardians of the children to prevent this, and I think it is just plain sick




I am constantly amazed and disgusted at some of the things people let their children wear. A group of girls in my school starting wearing skimpy little tops that showed clevage and tons of makeup in seventh grade or so . . . I'm only two years older than this group of girls but every time I see one of them I think, "Honey, if you were my daughter, you would never be allowed in leave the house in that get-up."

I watched something on TV about these "teen model" websites. According to the TV program, many girls are told this is their ticket to supermodel-dom (okay, I know that's not a word.) They want to get their big break but the only people who will accept them as models are these sickos who run the websites. The girl interviewed on TV said she was exploited by this guy who offered to set up a model-website for her, but when she fired him, she continued to have her own membership website, with pictures of her in skimpy clothing, etc., which was basically exactly like her previous website. Her mom said that she never caught on to the fact that this man who exploited her daughter was making her model things like sitting in the ocean, wearing a white T-shirt, and pouring water on her chest. How can people be so dense?


desireisposion
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Tue Aug 19 2003 04:33 PM
Re: Underage Porn Websites

I find it so funny how girls and guys subject themselves and think its okay to do this!

jaak
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Sat Aug 30 2003 02:10 PM
Re: U

In reply to:

The girl interviewed on TV said she was exploited by this guy who offered to set up a model-website for her, but when she fired him, she continued to have her own membership website, with pictures of her in skimpy clothing, etc., which was basically exactly like her previous website. Her mom said that she never caught on to the fact that this man who exploited her daughter was making her model things like sitting in the ocean, wearing a white T-shirt, and pouring water on her chest. How can people be so dense?



Clarify it a bit. What did the mother say that she never caught on to?

As for firing: I don't really see it as paradoxical. It does take some intelligence to learn to use a website, and especially a paid website. But it can be done, and even children can do it.

Obviously, then, a middleman can very well be exploiting the girl, and the girl might do better operating all by herself. Which is what some of them do.


stormline
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Mon Sep 01 2003 06:26 PM
Re: U

In reply to:

Clarify it a bit. What did the mother say that she never caught on to?




The mother never caught on to the fact that this man was making her fourteen or fifteen year old daughter do blatantly sexual things while she was modeling for the website.

In reply to:

As for firing: I don't really see it as paradoxical. It does take some intelligence to learn to use a website, and especially a paid website. But it can be done, and even children can do it.

Obviously, then, a middleman can very well be exploiting the girl, and the girl might do better operating all by herself. Which is what some of them do.




The exploiting here I was talking about was not just this guy taking the teenage girl's money. It was mostly about how he treated her as a sex object, how he essentially made her into an underage porn star. The girl complained that the man was exploiting her as a sex object, so she fires him but continues to do the exact type of things he made her do for her website. There's the hypocrisy.


jaak
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Tue Sep 02 2003 04:44 AM
Re: Sex object

In reply to:

The mother never caught on to the fact that this man was making her fourteen or fifteen year old daughter do blatantly sexual things while she was modeling for the website



If she never caught on, how could she say that?


beaxbatandball
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Sat Oct 04 2003 04:57 AM
Re: Sex object

I just found this link:

Basically, the point behind that website is that a guy and his team pretend to be 10 year old girls and talk to perverts on the internet. The conversation they have are so digusting, take a look at this:


The material in the links is not suitable for all viewers, so I have removed them.


jaak
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Tue Oct 07 2003 02:00 PM
Re: Sex object

No wonder. I have heard it stated that no one but the police is selling child pornography.

locim2
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Fri Oct 10 2003 07:31 AM
child models

Imagine if we took a random sample of men from the human population and showed them images of child models from these websites to determine how sexually aroused they became. To measure how sexually aroused they are we could ask them directly, but of course a person's innate biological urges are separate to his system of morality. To more accurately measure how sexually aroused these men are we can attach electrodes to their reproductive organs. I strongly suspect that 90 to 95 percent of men would be sexually aroused by the images.

Research has shown that men find older women with childlike features more sexually attractive (see Babyface Hypothesis). Perhaps men are indeed naturally inclined to younger females.

As I stated earlier, perhaps there is a way pedophiles' innate urges can be satiated while minimizing harm done to minors. One potential solution is virtual child p0rn. Another potential solution is to change or re-engineer social attitudes to make sexual intercourse between children and adults socially acceptable so that children will not grow up traumatized because they believe what they are doing is normal.

These are just ideas. When people hear about this issue they tend to automatically denounce, condemn, deny, sweep the issue under the carpet, and let innocent children suffer in silence as cases of incest and child molestation go unreported. I believe it's important the issue is discussed and researced openly.



texaslonghorn border=0>
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Fri Oct 10 2003 09:25 PM
Re: child models

Perhaps the issue should be discussed and researched openly, but it should be done so by adults. While the majority of regular posters in this forum are adults, or very mature students, there are users of this messageboard and viewers of this forum who are not adults, and I personally feel that the topics being discussed in this thread are moving farther and farther away from PG-13. While the ideas thrown about are worthy discussion topics, they are, in my estimation, not for the innocent eyes of children.

I am closing this thread now, and will be deleting it within a few days.

If anyone has a problem with this, please PM me and I would be more than happy to discuss the methods in which I choose to moderate this forum, or my reasons for closing this thread, in further detail. If you wish to complain about me or call for my dismissal, feel free to contact one of my fellow moderators or the Administrators.

Thank you, and have a good day.

-Tex
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