The History of Daisy Glaze (chapters 4-7)--from Daisy Glaze Nation TV, written by Aaron J. Poehler

BEGIN: THE HISTORY OF DAISY GLAZE, CHAPTER 4 (DGN #24) I made up a nice-looking tape cover design for our demos with the IU computers, we had them xeroxed onto yellow cardstock, and started sending our tapes around, trying to get more shows. We were definitely not like anything else that had been through there, but whether that attribute counted in the positive or negative column depended on the person sitting in judgment. Over the long haul the unique qualities a band might possess are all they have going for them, the only reason anyone anywhere would ever want to listen to their music, but on the low levels the slugs riding rein over the industry generally want to sand off all the rough edges and jam everything into a convenient box before they'll even acknowledge its existence, let alone book it regularly. I'm sure we had an idealistic view of what a local scene was all about, with people helping each other out and all that good shit, but we learned fast. The guy who took over the bar we were then playing at regularly after Alex Cosby was ousted was a tasteless idiot who only wanted a bar for him and his wussy friends, and so wouldn't book anything that didn't fit into his master plan for boring inoffensiveness. Once he actually told Carla flat out on the phone, "I haven't listened to your tape, but my friend has and he says you're too fast and hard for the Midwest." When I first heard that I was amazed, which just goes to show how little I knew then. Another time he admitted to Carla that he didn't really care about music at all, and wouldn't even be doing the job if it wasn't for his kids. Nice--he was ruining the only decent place to see original music in town and he wanted to be seen as a martyr for doing it. The abrasive, Ramones/Dead Kennedys type punk act the Walking Ruins did get us a couple of gigs with them, but for the most part we did a lot more helping than we got helped. Still, even those who didn't necessarily like our band treated us with respect, if an odd type of respect. When I'd mention to acquaintances that I played in a local band, they inevitably asked the band name, and when I'd answer Daisy Glaze instead of a dim look and a "Hmmm, doesn't ring any bells," they'd usually light up a bit and say, "Oh yeah, so it's not just some no-name group" or "I saw you guys' posters up down on Kirkwood" or something of the like. I never had anyone come up to me out of nowhere with fawning eyes saying "I really love your band, blah blah blah", or conversely saying "I don't dig your stuff"--sometimes they seemed more scared of us than anything, though of what I couldn't imagine. To me it just seemed like a lot of people around us started acting weird, both people we knew and people we didn't. Alex Cosby started acting a bit this way after being ousted from his booking position, though he told me once that he thought if anyone around town was really gonna do it, we would. The housemate at the bassist and drummer's who was hanging out at band practices, Marc Rothenberg, started getting excited and even tried to help 'manage' the band; he lined up a couple of gigs at a tiny bar in Indianapolis called J.C. Bistro's, but it was a no pay, no attendance, no p.a., no point type of situation--a total waste of time. I had always been a bit dubious of Rothenberg: he was a lot of bluster and blow, and had a bit of money because his dad owned a bunch of McDonald's. When I was originally introduced to Ryan back at the Material Issue show, I had thought they were talking about Marc and thought, "I don't know if I want this guy in my band". He was okay, he just seemed like one of these guys that knows he's inevitably going to just follow in his parents' paces and is just getting out his last bit of freedom and/or fun while in college. You see a lot of those types pass through Bloomington. The other housemate, the singer/rhythm guitarist in their high-school band, the aptly-named Gloryhounds, was one of these types as well; though he seemed friendly early on, as the band got better he acted surlier--he'd get unfriendly, bitter and standoffish, and he would occasionally throw a fit about us practicing there as though we were disrupting his studying, though he never had problems finding other places to study as far as I know, and therefore threatening his entire future. Eventually I realized he was just jealous, though I couldn't really understand why at the time. To me we still sounded rickety, with a lot of work still to go. I'd never heard the Gloryhounds play, though, and when I finally did I understood a little better. Even then we had a lot of potential, and at times glimmers of what was to come would shine through, encouraging us all. A lot of local bands--I'm sorry to say almost all--are just hopelessly bad. It's not the popular thing to say, but it's the truth. It's entertainment by suspension of disbelief, as if an agreement has been made between the performers and the audience--you pretend the band doesn't suck so horribly bad that you're not wasting your time watching them play, and you get to pretend you're hanging out in a 'hip' place with other 'hip' folks. Add that factor to the point that most of the audience members who actually listen to the music are indulgent friends showing up out of obligation, who are only listening so they have something to say to their pal when he or she gets offstage, plus the fact that the people who hang out in bars aren't really interested in music, they're there to get drunk and/or laid, and you have a clearer picture of why so much of this music is just so inevitably bad. At the risk of sounding self-inflating, we were never one of these bands. The people who saw us early on always looked somewhat confused, like we weren't giving them what they expected and therefore they didn't know how to react. I'm not saying we were great all the time--soundboard tapes of most of early shows will bear that out--but even when we were bad the craft that went into the songs came through to some degree, and we were always passionate about what we were doing, even if it was passionately bad. My favorite early comment came from Andy Hill, who I'd DJed with at the IU cable student radio station WIUS as a freshman. We'd fallen out of touch, but he showed up at what was likely our third or fourth show, maybe even our second. Afterwards he came up to me, a befuddled look on his face, saying "I liked it…but I'm not sure why…" He showed up to a lot of our early shows--it was easy to recognize the recurring faces in the audience back then, although I was too charged up on stage to even try to study the faces of the audience members or recall them. I'd just see them later and think, "Now where do I know that person from? I guess they were here the last time we played here." Seemingly as soon as we got going good, the inevitable personnel problems reared their head again: Ryan was already a year out of school, working at Webster, a men's clothing store in the mall, and getting restless. He had already brought up the idea on trying to become a cop, which didn't seem too likely--he hadn't studied law enforcement or anything, and was a bit on the slight side physically. Eventually he decided he was going to break up with his girlfriend, quit the band, transfer to the Webster store up in Chicago, get an apartment there, and live the big-city swinging bachelor life or something. What actually happened in reality was that he moved up there, didn't get laid at all the entire time despite not being a bad-looking guy, then moved back to his hometown of Muncie after a year of being frozen out. That didn't do us any good, though: we needed a drummer, and fast if the local nightcrawlers weren't going to forget us (or so we thought at the time). We played our last gigs with Ryan at the end of July 1993: our final Alex Cosby-booked gig at Second Story, a Friday, July 30th show opening for Small Ball Paul, a band from St. Louis who released one EP and one LP on Thirsty Ear--a Sony fake-indie label--before vanishing. Still, at least it was an opening slot for a nationally touring act, a first for us. They seemed to like us and our music, and they were pretty nice. I liked their live show better than their records. That was the year the entire Midwest excepting Indiana was engulfed in torrential floods, and Small Ball Paul had spent their tour petrified that they would return home to find their home basement studio flooded and their equipment destroyed except for what they'd hauled around the country with them.<> Our very last show with Ryan was the day after the Small Ball Paul show, a benefit show in Bloomington's Dunn Meadow for a local anti-AIDS group: we played following local 10,000 Maniacs wannabes Greenest Field and before out-of-date glam-metal rockers Lawless. Supposedly Lawless' bassist actually had HIV, which made their set a bit more poignant than it might otherwise have been--I recall in between songs he took time to harangue the Domino's Pizza stand that had been set up in the meadow (Domino's contributed thousands of dollars to pro-life organizations and other right-wing causes, which didn't jibe too well with the decidedly leftist slant of the day). I don't remember the festival being too well-attended, but the publicity had been pitiful. We put up more flyers promoting our appearance there (and the fact that we were looking for a new drummer) than were put up by anyone else to promote the whole show, and we didn't even do a massive flyering job the way we sometimes did. We were infamous around Bloomington for our flyering--we used to say "we use flyers like napalm", and it was true. We'd put them up everywhere and anywhere we could, and we had good designs, too. I'd try and make the flyers so that you could read the name of the band from the road without getting out of your car, and as time went on the designs became more and more involved. It didn't take much to be kings of flyering, mainly because most people did such a half-assed job of it. Usually you couldn't even figure out when and where the show was from your average flyer, let alone expect any kind of layout, humor, or style. Often if they got creative they'd outthink themselves and the reader wouldn't even be able to tell what was being advertised. We'd make a clever design and make it easily comprehensible as well, and we tried to make every single one count. Even if you weren't interested in going out to see local bands or hanging out in bars, if you lived in Bloomington we wanted to you to know the name DAISY GLAZE. And it worked. END (THE HISTORY OF DAISY GLAZE, CHAPTER 4 BEGIN: THE HISTORY OF DAISY GLAZE, CHAPTER 5 (DGN #25) After our last shows with Ryan we couldn't retreat into building up our skills and strength for the next time, because we had no drummer--no reasonable prospects had responded to our flyers. It took a week just to recuperate from the weekend of the Small Ball Paul gig and the HAVOC AIDS benefit: during all that, Carla and I had to move the same weekend, and be out of our old place by the Sunday after the meadow gig. It was a constant race from Friday through Sunday getting everything done. At least we had the rental truck to move the band equipment in for the meadow show, but after that ordeal we just collapsed. After nearly a month of sitting around, getting antsy, we tried to do an acoustic thing with our bassist, but so much of our material was arranged for the electric-band thing it seemed fruitless and frustrating. When I listened back to the tape later, though, I was surprised at how much of it was listenably good, despite the trouble we'd had getting it going. In any case a new drummer responded to our flyers just a couple days after the abortive acoustic stab, so we went back to the electric band format, but I kept that acoustic tape in the back of my mind. Its main lacking was in the bassist not keeping up with the tempo and dragging the songs, but the rest, well…it definitely had potential. <> Right now, though, the thing to do was to get the electric band up and gigging again, then record our material in a studio of some sort. I'd entered the IU recording program around the same time we got the band up and running, being at a loss what to do academically; now I was starting to have some idea what I wanted to do with the studio, and I was anxious to get some of our music on tape and recorded 'properly'. Our new drummer was a graduate student named Bill Jones who'd just moved to town and seemed very amiable and willing to work from his first meeting with us, banging out a few of his own wacky songs on his acoustic guitar, but unfortunately that first meeting was the best impression Bill ever left. We got the idea that Bill wanted us all to be good friends, but he was arrogantly aristocratic and had an exceedingly high opinion of himself, an attitude which leaked out in increasingly higher dosages following that first meeting. For awhile, though, we got along okay, and it was the most powerful version of Daisy Glaze yet: with Bill, "Naïve" was finally given a fitting performance, and other songs tightened up as well. "The Blue Mask" became ever more free-form, as the steadier beat Bill provided was a sturdier canvas to spin out improvisations over. We revived "One Cigarette" and I even gained the confidence to play a guitar solo over the outro of the song, a first for me. The weaker songs sounded decent, and the good songs sounded better. We practiced up this lineup for a couple of months: we created a set of songs, then played that set over and over in the same order trying to get it as tight as it could possibly be. It wasn't music with a lot of freedom, but it was tight and professional and well-oiled. This version of the band debuted at the Bluebird with a triumphant show on November 9, 1993, playing on a bill with the Walking Ruins. The soundboard tape became one of our most-played artifacts, being both a relatively balanced representation of our live sound and one of the best shows we'd ever played up to that date. <> We wasted no time rushing into a local studio to document the sound we produced: an invitation to record a song for free became expanded into a full-fledged session. We laid down as many tracks as we could that day, pushing our time to the limit despite the flagging energy of our bassist, who, being unhealthily overweight, was always contracting some infectious bug. We laid down killer takes of "Encore" and "Naïve" that day that were among the best versions of those songs that we'd ever played, and a really good take of "Teenage Pothead" as well. We played totally live in the studio, this being my insistence, as I despised the faked-up sound of bands like the Beatles or Pink Floyd--we only overdubbed additional vocal lines onto "Encore" and "Naïve", and left "Teenage Pothead" completely live in the studio. Later this kind of thinking would help lead to my exit from the IU recording program--the head of the program, though a nice guy and good with circuits, had his main 'real-life' experience assembling Beatles compilations and setting up cables for Pink Floyd, and thus had very different ideas about recording than I. After a certain level, the engineering part of the recording program consisted only of making recordings and bringing them in to critique sessions, and since I didn't respect the opinion of anybody 'critiquing' the tapes I saw no value in continuing. They wanted us to fake up the tapes as much as possible, whereas I wanted to present a tape that represented the music that was played in the room as much as possible. It took a lot of work, but I got the sound I wanted out of those tapes. I remixed and remixed, sometimes alone and sometimes with Carla helping me. "Encore" came out pretty quickly in a good mix, but "Teenage Pothead" required more work to get the right sound. Carla EQ'd her vocal for "Naïve" until it was properly biting, cutting right through the mix and adding a lot to the recording. Neither of the others ever helped with any of this, not that there was any reason they should have. Bill seemed fairly disinterested in the recording process, but he gave a good performance on the day of recording, took it seriously, and gave me credit for coming up with good-sounding master tapes. These sessions provided three tracks that would eventually end up on "One Way Out", our debut CD--not bad for one day's recording. END (THE HISTORY OF DAISY GLAZE, CHAPTER 5 BEGIN: THE HISTORY OF DAISY GLAZE, CHAPTER 6 We continued playing around town, seemingly gathering more and more followers with each show, but gradually Bill began withdrawing from the band. Bill was a heavy drinker, and though we were all downing our fair share of beer at practice back in those days, Bill was really drinking heavily. It was sort of ironic because he thought of himself as this upper-crust type of guy from good breeding stock and all, but a lot of the time he was just sloppy drunk. Carla and I started cutting back on the alcohol, but Bill just got drunker and drunker. I think he was also disappointed that nobody around him shared his high opinion of himself; I mean, we thought he was an okay guy, but he wasn't exceptionally intelligent and we didn't defer to him to any appreciable degree. I think he was hoping for reinforcement of his unrealistic self-image and drinking buddies all in one package, and when the band didn't seem like it would provide these things for him he began to lose interest in it. On several of our practice tapes recorded during this period, Bill can be heard getting increasingly intoxicated and rambling on with Navy stories regarding his brief time in the Persian Gulf <>. Plus, playing-wise he'd shot his wad with the studio stuff--it was there on the tape, pretty much the best he'd ever done or would do, and pretty much the full extent of his drumming bag of tricks and paradiddles, so what was the point in going on? His playing went down as his enthusiasm waned and his blood alcohol content rose, and gradually we had the inevitable confrontation about it. We said we were going to have to find another drummer if he continued to cancel practice and play poorly, he said he was going to have to withdraw from the band anyway because he'd have to concentrate harder on his studies next year, and that was pretty much that. Bill did agree to continue playing with us occasionally until we found a new drummer, which I give him credit for--it meant we were able to make another short trip into the studio in early 1994 to use up the end of our recording reel to cut my new song, "No One From Here". This was another 'songwriting breakthrough' for me, and one I thought would fill out our EP-to-be very nicely (originally we'd planned to issue a cassette, then a 7" vinyl record, then when we heard the results of the first session the plan quickly got upgraded to a 10" EP, titled "HIT AND RUN"). The song came together quite nicely in the studio: we played live in the studio again, then I overdubbed an additional vocal line and Carla overdubbed her violin--the song was so new, she was effectively writing her part on the spot! This track was much more of a product of the studio than the rest of this batch of material, but it was definitely the best version of the song by a long shot. All the other times we played it, it never sounded better than the studio version. <> Another first appearance on "No One From Here" was my new Explorer guitar: I'd been looking for a new guitar for some time, having played on my relatively cheap Squier Bullet for my entire musical career up to this point. It was an old, faithful, reliable piece of equipment, but it was quickly outliving its usefulness to me. We'd looked for guitars in instrument stores from Chicago to Cincinnati to Louisville, but we stumbled across the Explorer at a Bloomington store as the owner was bringing it back from a convention where he'd purchased it: he hadn't even taken it out of the case yet. I plugged it in and played it once and knew it was the guitar for me. It had an aggressive tone yet was melodic, it was solid and earthbound without being conventional or traditional. Since we weren't practicing as regularly as I liked during this time, I borrowed a portable DAT deck and a microphone and made a test recording of just myself with acoustic guitar February 3, 1994, running through the songs I thought would be appropriate: "One Cigarette", "No One From Here", "For W.Y.", and "Encore". When I played it back, I thought it sounded great: I mean, I was clearly not completely comfortable with the acoustic format (not to mention the guitar, which was a lot harder to play than the electric), but the recordings had clarity and depth to spare and I hadn't even recorded in stereo--I only had one mic, so I only used one of the two DAT channels. I had to give the DAT deck back too quickly to experiment further, but I came back to this tape more than once when trying to figure out potential future directions for our music. <> By late February Bill was pretty much out of active duty, so we trooped around the local scene trying to find somebody appropriate for the band. We met guitarists who were interested in joining, at least they professed to be, but no drummers. We made abortive stabs at a new lineup in early March with second guitarist Rob Kent, a former acquaintance of Carla's from high school who'd moved to Bloomington and formed the crumbling band Tangleweed--we practiced with Rob a couple of times, and Rob and I sat around together one afternoon with our guitars trying to write a song together--we came up with an intro and a few lyrics, which we called "Strange Things." We only ever played out with Rob once, at a disastrous show Thursday, March 24, 1994 with a couple a neo-metal acts, Myrllen's Coat and the Sons of Regret: Myrllen's Coat brought in their own terribly unbalanced sound system and a half-deaf friend of theirs named Snake acting as soundman, who made the stage a nightmare of mis-mixed monitors and feedback. In retrospect I think we would have done well to simply quit and walk out in the middle of that set, taking our equipment with us, but we stuck it out and played it all the way through. <> John Strohm, the part-time Lemonhead & ex-Blake Babies guitarist, attended this show with his then-sidekick Kenny Childers, who'd ditched Rob's band Tangleweed for the more popular Go Mango, and then Go Mango was ditched in turn for Strohm's Antenna, which was renamed Velo-Deluxe for reasons no one could fathom--the joke told to me by Pizzle guitarist Lumpy was as follows: 'Why did John Strohm name his new band after an antique vacuum cleaner? Because it sucks dirt.' Both Strohm and Kenny sat there with amazed looks on their faces, I'm sure less because of the music (which was horribly mismixed and out of whack) than the sheer spectacle. Kenny had seen us before and knew things weren't quite right, but Strohm didn't know what the hell was going on. Carla was desperately trying to get the useless soundman to fix the sound, I was getting more and more pissed off just trying to get through it all, Bill was putting in his time, Rob was just trying to follow along. It was insane, and definitely our worst-ever gig. <> END (THE HISTORY OF DAISY GLAZE, CHAPTER 6 BEGIN: THE HISTORY OF DAISY GLAZE, CHAPTER 7 In the absence of any commitment to the band from anybody but the core members, we continued playing with different people, most only once or twice, trying to see if we could get something different going. Frankie Camaro (the alter ego of a guy named Paul Jova) was a surf guitar player who'd once appeared on a Rykodisc compilation titled Big Guitars From Texas that was nominated for a Grammy and who led local bands with names ranging from Shanghai Cobra to Rocket 88 to Go Mango; he sat in with us on drums once or twice. It didn't quite work, but we gave it a shot anyway. Later he formed another surf band with a shifting lineup of assistants called Dragstrip that released a record through Shredder Records. We met another guy named Ryan Hasan through Abby Sachleben, who both Carla and I had known back in Columbus; Ryan talked like he wanted to join but was unable to come up with anything the couple of times we tried it out. He ended up playing bass with Virginia's Scrapings, a local Dead Boys/Wipers type of punky rock trio led by the notorious Phil Traicoff--reportedly over 60 people had been in and out of the Scrapings over the years, and the Scraping were a three-piece band. The weeks dragged on, and soon months had gone by without a firm drummer and with only a few sporadic appearances with Bill. It became even harder to keep everything going when Carla and I were in a traumatic automobile wreck while up in Indianapolis, ironically enough to see a Pink Floyd show--the last stadium-rock show we'd attend. We both sustained back injuries, and the car was totaled. Another little quirk of fate was that one of the first people to arrive on the scene of the accident was Brian Gardiner--the first Daisy Glaze drummer! Plus, he also knew the moron who hit us! Brian had graduated from school, and was doing some sort of entry-level office work. He asked us how the band was doing, and we made small talk; mainly what I remember was the hideous 'Star Trek' tie he was wearing. We were completely shellshocked, but managed to drag ourselves to the Pink Floyd show, mainly because we were meeting a friend there who could hopefully get us home. The show was a weak, puffed-up spectacle, more Las Vegas than psychedelia--Carla actually fell asleep a couple of times, I think as much to escape the misery she felt as much as anything. This was the beginning of a dark period for us all. The car wreck and its attendant medical, financial, and emotional problems accelerated the demise of the Bill-drumming lineup of the band. All tentative workings with other musicians guitarists and drummers, were similarly ended or never really got going to begin with. Our last show with Bill was an outdoor show, an 'Eloidfest': Eloid Ruiz was a witty, charismatic guy who happened to be kind of short. He parlayed that into a regular shtick, appearing to MC local shows and on local cable access TV. Most people got along with Eloid because he was often a pretty funny guy. People in bands tended to like him, as did we. He hung out with us a few times, and us with him, discussing the crucial points of bad movies. The Eloidfest was sort of his tribute to himself, but it was also a good focus on local original music, and a gig we were happy to play. Our slot was on the last day of the Eloidfest, an outdoor show in a parking lot. I played sitting down so as not to aggravate my back, but we put on a decent show. I was glad to get the chance to play out my newest song, "I Lost", and to show people we weren't going away. Arson Garden, probably the closest thing to an internationally recognized underground band in Bloomington back then (well, they got to play a John Peel session for BBC Radio, anyway) was supposed to play with us, but I think they broke up before the gig. Instead Phil Traicoff's Virginia's Scrapings closed the show, which was fine with me since I thought they were a better band, but probably resulted in a slightly lower turnout. Either way we were back to having no drummer at all after the show, which was always a downer even though we'd been limping along with only Bill for months now. We'd had one guy come in who we'd hoped would work out, a young guy named Mike Lipe who talked like he was really into joining the band--he just had to get a new kit and get his chops back up. He seemed to like the music really well, although his taste in music didn't really seem very good: he liked Black Sabbath, which was good, but he also liked Phish and other lame stuff not even that good. Still, we didn't have any other options, so we were willing to give him a try. He bought a brand-new set of drums--we saw the receipt for them--brought them down to the basement and set them up; we set up our equipment, and we started to play. It was then we realized that Mike had never played the drums before in his life. Yet he'd strung us along with this story, and actually gone out and bought the drums, carrying out as if he was telling the truth! It was as though he was hoping that lightning would strike and he would just be able to play them all of a sudden. He couldn't even find the rudiments of a beat, though--it was totally obvious. After a little bit we called practice to a halt and I suggested he go home and practice, or even come over to our place and practice on his own. I wanted to give him the complete benefit of the doubt--I thought it still might have been possible that it had just been too long, and he needed to get his strength up or something. Nope. Next time he played just as badly. It was ridiculous. Finally we told him to go home and that it just wasn't working. Later, when the next version of the band was playing in a bar, he showed up with a couple of his friends. They wanted us to sit with them when our set was over, but we were busy moving our equipment off the stage. After finishing, we did go over and sit with them briefly, but the friends didn't actually have anything to say--they just looked around to see if anyone was noticing them with us sitting at their table! Pretty gauche. Mike had a few drinks and basically admitted trying to pull one over on us, saying "Yeah, I almost fooled you, didn't I?" as though he would have gotten away with it had God only gone along with the scheme and granted him immediate inbred drumming skills upon setting up his kit. It was frustrating not having a drummer and dealing with jerkoffs like Mike, but the band problems and the back problems and the legal problems all combined into one huge, depressing mess. Our lawyer was an incompetent boob, State Farm was jerking us around, and we hurt every day. It sucked. We couldn't work for months, so we had no money. Our relatives were less than understanding, which shattered the last of my battered faith is the family unit. We were slowly going insane. Finally while we were out posting our 'DAISY GLAZE NEEDS A DRUMMER' flyers, we spotted a flyer posted by a drummer looking for a band. His taste didn't look all that great, mentioning Nine Inch Nails, the Pixies, Skinny Puppy, and Jawbox, but at least it wasn't all classic rock or something; most importantly, beggars can't be choosers. It was more relevant to us that he'd gone to the extent of making and posting his flyers. We took a chit off his flyer, and when we got home, we found a message on the machine waiting; checking the number against the chit, we realized that he'd already called us. We took this as a sign and quickly this young guy became the new Daisy Glaze drummer. His skills were a bit rudimentary, but he didn't claim to have anything other than what he actually had, so we got to work. END (THE HISTORY OF DAISY GLAZE, CHAPTER 7

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