HYPNOTIST COMMITTEE
MEETING HELD OCTOBER 30, 1997
402 WEST WASHINGTON STREET
ROOM 041
INDIANAPOLIS, IN 46204
Members Present: Richard Brashear, M. D.
Stephani Domico, Hypnotist
Jack Mason, Hypnotist
Gregory Frye, Hypnotist
Margaret Sullivan, ConsumerMember
Shelvey Keglar, Ph.d.,Clinical Psychologist
Others Present: Kimberly A. Tarnacki, Director
Health Professions Bureau
Donna Moran, Administrative Assistant
Health Professions Bureau
Deborah A. Widemon, Secretary
Health Professions Bureau
Anne O'Connor, Deputy Attorney General
Jeff McQuary, Deputy Attorney General
This meeting was called to order by Kimberly Tarnacki at
10:05 a.m Kim welcomed all the members and each member and
staff introduced themselves. Laura Lanngford, Executive
Director of the Health Profession Bureau, introduced herself
and welcomed the Committee Members.
DISCUSSION ITEMS
Role of Committe member- Kim explained to the Committe that
their main mission is to protect the health and welfare of
the citizens of Indiana.
Anne continued by explainingthe Open Door Law and the Access
to Public Records Act. She advised the committee that Jeff
McQuary the Committee's legal Advisor would be at all their
meetings and that the rules would probaly be their first
order of business.
Mr.Mason expressed concerns about false information being
disseminated about the Hypnotist profession. Anne advised
that the Committee couldn't enforce anything legally to
ensure that false information was not spread. Anne suggested
that the Committee compose a letter to advise advertisers
of correct information in regards to the Hypnotist
profession.
Mr. Frye expressed concerns about out of towners coming into
the state and professing to be hypnotists. Jeff explained
that this concern can elaborated upon in the rules.
Tax forms, travel, per-diem - Maureen Bennett explained to
the Committee travel, perdiem and tax forms matters. Maureen
informed the Committee of the expeneses for which they would
be reimbursed and the importance of completing the travel
voucher completely.
Election of officers - Kim explained the procedure for
election of officers and that the Medical Licensing Board
must approve all elected officers.Kim called for the
nomination of an Acting-Chairperson.
Motion made to nominate Jack Mason as the Acting-Chairperson.
Domico/Frye, 6/0/0
Mr. Jack Mason is the first Acting -Chairperson for the
Hypnotist Committee. This nomination will be forwarded to
the Medical Licensing Board at their December 4 meeting for
approval.
Mr. Mason expressed concerns about the length of term the
chairperson should serve and notes that this is not in the
statute. Mr. Mason suggested that the term
be for two years. Jeff explained that the rules should
contain the length of term for an officer.
Dr. Keglar expressed concerns about how the meeting would
be conducted and if the Roberts Rules of Order would be
used. Jeff explained that it is the committee's decision
on how they wish the meeting to be conducted.
Concerns were expressed about the Chairperson voting.
After discussion, the Committee agreed that the Chair-
person should vote only in the case of a tie, but may
participate in the discussion.
Motion made that the Chairperson should only vote in the
case of a tie,but may participate in the discussion.
Mason/Keglar,6/0/0
Enabling Legislation - Kim explained that the Hypnotist
Committee is a sub-section of the Medical Licensing Board.
Kim continued by explaining that the word"board"in the
statute refers to the Medical Licensing Board and the word
"committee" refers to the Hypnotist Committee. Kim also
explained that the enabling legislation is state law and
that she would be the Committee's liaison for the
Governor's Office.
Committee members expressed concerns about the length of
service on the Committee. Kim explained that this was set
in the statute and that memberships continues until a
member resigns, which may be before or after the members
term of expiration, or until a member is reappointed or
replaced.
Mr. Mason explained that the state of Indiana is the first
state to pass this law and the Committee should be very
careful in what it does.
Kim continued to explain the statute as it refers to what
the Committee shall do. At this time Kim referred the
Committee to the application packets that they had been
given and suggested that they may want to look these over
for possible usage in developing an application for the
Hypnotist application.
Mr. Mason interjected that he had already asked other
orgaizations to send him samples of their certifications
criteria.
The Committe expressed concerns about giving everyone who
wishes to practice Hypnosis in the state of Indiana an
opportunity to do so. A suggestion was made that the
Committee certify applicants as a Hypnotist an/or
Hypnotherapist.
The Committee also wished to note that the following
associations have been very cooperative in supplying
information to the Committee:
* International Medical and Dental Hypnotherapy
Association
* The American Council of Hypnotist Examiners
* The National Board for Hypnotherapy and Hypnotic
Anaesthesiology
The following associations opted not to supply information
to the Committee:
* The National Guild of Hypnotists
* The American Institute of Hypnotists
After further discussion, Dr. Brashear and Dr. Keglar
will request examination and certification information from
their respective associations.
Kim continued her explanation of the enabling legislation
by bringing the Committee's attention to Section 10. Kim
explained that this section states that an individual may
not profess to be a hypnotist or hypnotherapist, use the
title "hypnotist or hypnotherapist" or use prefix "hypno"
unless the individual is certified under this chapter. An
individual who violates this section commits a Class B
Misdemeanor. Jeff explained that a Class B misdemeanor is
punishable by less than one year confinement and/or be fined.
Kim then brought the Committee's attention to Section 15,
16, 17, 18, and 19 which deal with examination, certification,
renewals and retirement/inactive status. Kim noted to the
Committee that the statute states that these are things that
they shall do. Jeff informed the Committee that these
subjects can be elaborated upon in the rules.
Mr. Mason expressed concerns about the MLB approving schools
for training.
Jeff explained that the Committee can put a list together for
their approval and that these could be included in the rules.
Sandra Gyer and Rebecca Carter of the Indiana Commission on
Proprietary Education asked the Committee for help in
interpreting their role in certifiying approved schools.
They suggested the Committee might be confronted with
students who have been trained through these already
approved programs. Ms. Carter will supply the Committee
with a list of approved schools.
Kim continued by noting Section 23-8d which states an
individual who applies for certification to the Indiana
Hypnotist Committee before January 1, 1998 may be
certified as a hypnotist without taking the examination
if he/she meets the qualifications listed in this section.
Kim informed the Committee of the impossibility of getting
an application ready before January 1, 1998. Suggestions
were made the Committee accept reistrations in lieu of
applications in order to comply with the statute's January
deadline.
Motion made to offer pre-registration for applicants who
wish to take advantage of the January 1, 1998 deadline date;
to prepare a media notice to inform the public of this
deadline date and that their registration form must be post
marked by January 1, 1998.
Keglar/Frye,6/0/0
Goals - The Committee set the following dates for their
meeting:
*Thursday, November 20, 1997
*Monday, December 8, 1997
The meeting topics should include the following items:
*Examination questions
*Sample applications
*Wall certificates
*Fee schedule
Application
Review of procedures to create application/certificates -
The Committee will reveiw the application packets presented
to them at their next meeting.
There being no futher business, the meeting was adjourned at
11:32 a.m.
Jack Mason,hypnotist, Acting-Chairman
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