ya know.. there was someone else who said "love me or burn." -- his name was Adolf Hitler.:
think sarah would like my screen name?
Prater:
what is it?
Prater:
cuz i renamed you in trillian
Prater:
to "mac"
me:
ya know.. there was someone else who said "love me or burn." -- his name was Adolf Hitler.
Prater:
heh
Prater:
sweet
me:
not necessarily sweet.. just something i thought about
Prater:
you make that up?
me:
yeah
me:
i think it was when i was talking to lance on the bus
me:
a while ago
Prater:
hmm
me:
we got into a huge discussion about religion and stuff
me:
not necessarily religion
me:
but like.. how man came to be.. all this crap
Prater:
altho hitler really didn't say, "if you jews love me i wont burn you"
Prater:
he just burned em
me:
yeah.. but the concept is that hitler burned who he thought didn't live up to the image of the perfect person in his mind
Prater:
it was more of him being mad at the humiliating defeat of WWI and then proceeding to blame some one weaker than him
Prater:
like the jews
Prater:
he didn't necessarily burn those he thought were inferior, cuz then he woulda burned himself (he never met the arian criteria himself)
me:
yeah, but over a course of time he came to a position of superiority and authority, and in such a position one comes to the conclusion that certain things dont apply to themselves
Prater:
right
Prater:
either way, he was a madman
Prater:
with a huge talent for moving speeches
Prater:
in a time where germany desperately wanted a direction
me:
a lot of the world wants a direction as well.. billions of people seeking just for something to believe in.. something to base hope upon, just as the germans were
Prater:
and that's where i think ppl are stupid
Prater:
instead of just trusting their own judgements to run their lives, they constantly look for leadership
Prater:
some one to tell them what to do
me:
indeed
Prater:
i dunno what it is
Prater:
do they feel weak?
Prater:
or they're just lazy
Prater:
who knows?
me:
it's a lot of a bunch of things.. people feel lost and what not.. their lives are a mess.. and they seek someone for help, a crutch if you will.. then they forget to walk on their own and support themselves; they become dependent on the "crutch" i guess.. well you get the idea
me:
the crutch deteriorates character
me:
builds upon reliance of others and lessens a person's independence
Prater:
which leads you to really wonder where religion came from
Prater:
cuz, in a situation where ppl are desperate for leadership, they make stuff up. with all the religion out there, there's really no substantial proof that which religion is right or whether there's any religion at all
Prater:
but with the way the earth is, there's no real reason why there SHOULDNT be a God (or gods as the case may be)
me:
there is religion.. it's a man-made thing.. i feel it's a very strong possibility that the bible, the koran (spelling?) whatever else.. was all made up so that people would have something to have hope for in the after-life, thus bringing people to live their lives as the Bible (or whatever else) describes to be pure and righteous, which adversely affects the overall image of the world
me:
and the quality of the lives of those in it
me:
someone was tired of the tyranny the discord the mayhem and violence, whatever.. religion made people believe there was consequence to their actions beyond human law.. and so acts of crime and the like lessened
Prater:
yeah
Prater:
but then there's the question of creation
Prater:
how'd we come about?
Prater:
with as complicated as the earth is, there's very little chance it all happened at random
Prater:
the odds are strongly against us
me:
i honestly have no clue. there are a lot of theories, all with some validity.. all of them i think were possible
me:
to an extent
Prater:
i dont take a big bang theory
me:
no
me:
i dont think so
Prater:
which is why i dont think science or ANY modern thought can discard the possibility that there is a God
me:
although there is evidence to back it up (galaxies moving apart and such), i don't think a big condensed mass exploded, and coincidentally created intelligent life, capable of as much as we are
me:
complexity rules out a lot of the theories of how life began.
me:
i.e.: organisms as complex as we could not be created by chance
me:
then there's the life cycle.. beginning and end.. everything has one, yet darwinism and the big bang theory cannot explain the beginning of anything
me:
that mass that exploded had to come from somewhere, as did the single celled organisms that darwinism says we evolved from
me:
this same argument can be applied to the theory of Creationism
Prater:
yeah
me:
where did God come from?
Prater:
...this is stull all out of our minds reach
Prater:
there is NO way anyone can figure any of this out
me:
it is inconceivable to us that something could always be there, being born of nothing and from nowhere
Prater:
until you're dead (assuming there'll be an afterlife)
me:
yes indeed
Prater:
but that could be because we're used to seeing things concieved
me:
yeah that's what i'm saying
me:
everything we know has a beginning and an end
Prater:
yeah
Prater:
so we can't comprehend something always being there
me:
but then you think, "if he spawned us from nothing, who's to say he didn't come from nothing?"
Prater:
"nothing... or... SOMETHING..." (sorry for that... i had to)
me:
well..technically he did spawn adam from the dust, and eve from adam's rib
Prater:
yeah
me:
but the dust was created from nothing
Prater:
but even tho it's hard for me to see something always being, it's hard to see God being created
Prater:
what would have created him?
me:
yeah, if everything had to of come from something, there would be a never ending chain
me:
which isn't possible of course
me:
SOMEthing or someONE had to start it all
Prater:
xel naga
Prater:
O.o
me:
-_-
Prater:
lol
me:
man
me:
it's late
me:
i'm tired
Prater:
yeah
Prater:
i'm tired too
Prater:
i'm goin
me:
later
Prater:
later
