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GOMER'S BOOT PAGE

updated 6/10/99

WANT TO TRADE FOR:  (ALL LISTED GEN WOULD BE MY COPY, MEANING YOURS = 1 LOWER)
-80 MIN CD-R COPY OF "SUICIDE SOLUTION?"
-80 MIN CD-R COPY OF "ROMA"
-80 MIN CD-R COPY OF "BANNED FOR LIFE"


Hello, and welcome to my bootleg trading page.  Despite anything stated below, if you have something interesting you'd like to trade or sell to me, email me at , i'll see what I can do.
If you want to trade 2:1 blanks/AUD:VID, 1:1 AUD:AUD, or something else, email me at gomer67@bitwisesystems.com. I am specifically looking for CD-R's of the lowest gen source available, and tapes of unsurfaced shows or shows on my list lower gen than mine.  I'll keep this list single-page based for now (i.e. it won't have links to the setlists.  Coming soon!) because I haven't had the time.  All info about the shows (date, venue, time) was obtained from Kris Sproul's comprehensive bootleg list of his at http://ksproul.threadnet.com/.  I figured it was fitting since I got the majority of my CD-R's from him! The grades are mine however.

All are on CD-R unless mentioned otherwise.  Listings in white, 12-point, variable width font are coming soon.  Most of the shows that have problems (such as speed, like in 1/23/88 and 10/21/91) have been fixed, and the hiss has been taken out to a degree on the shows on the lower end of the quality spectrum.  Nearly all are from the lowest gen source currently available, many are not too common, ask for details.  If you would like a 30 second 256k .mp3 or 96k .vqf of any one track from any disc (if you are interested in trading that is), just email me. In the quality column of my table, it is split into 4 categories, peformance/setlist/quality/total, each other than total based on 3, with an exceptional show getting 4, so for me it would go like this:
10-12 A+, 7-9 A, 4-6 B, anything lower would basically be an F. When fields are non-applicable, such as performance in a studio session, they automatically get a 4.
Nirvana
Date City Venue/Demo/Bootleg Number of Tracks Time (In Minutes) Source History Grade
??/??/?? ?????, WA Montage of Heck 1 36 T3-CDR
4/17/87 Olympia, WA KAOS Radio Demo  9 31 CD 3/4/3/10
??/??/87 ?????, WA Party 10 45 T1-MP3-CDR 3/4/2/9
12/??/87  Tacoma, WA Community World Theater 13 48 CD-RMCDR 3/4/2/9
12/21/88 Hoquiam, WA Hoquiam Eagles Lodge 14 60 low-CDR 2/2/1/5
12/28/88 Seattle, WA The Underground (tape, CD) 10 37 CD-T1/CD-CDR 3/3/4/10
6/23/89 Westwood, CA Rhino Records (tape) 11 35 low 4/2/1/7
7/7/89 Chicago, IL Club Dreamerz 13 50 CD-CDR 2/2/3/7
7/12/89 Philadelphia, PA JC Dobbs 15 57 VID3-CDR 3/3/1/7
9/13/89 Denver, CO Gothic Theater 16 52 VID1-CDR 2/3/2/8
10/8/89 Omaha, NE Lift Ticket Lounge (tape) 13 45 low-med 3/3/3/9
11/18/89 Hanau, Germany Ku-Ba Club 13 45 CD-CDR
11/22/89 Vienna, Austria U4 Club 14 61 DAT-T1-CDR 2/3/4/9
12/3/89 London, England Astoria Theater 14 52 T2-CDR 3/3/2/8
1/6/90 Seattle, WA HUB East Ballroom 15 46 CD-CDR 2/3/3/8
1/20/90 Tacoma, WA Legends 15 53 VID2-CDR 3/4/2/9
2/9/90 Portland, OR Pine Street Theater 10 37 T2-CDR 3/3/3/9
2/15/90 Hollywood, CA Raji's 13 42 CD-CDR 3/2/3/8
3/??/90 Olympia, WA Evergreen State College music video shoot 4 14 VID2-CDR 2/1/2/5
4/90 Madison, WI Smart Sessions (Upgrade from Chad Channing's 2nd gen Tape! Better than "Into The Black"!) 8 31 T2-CDR
5/2/90 Charlotte, NC The Milestone 18 72 T3-CDR 3/3/3, 2/8.5
5/6/90 Atlanta, GA The Masquerade 16 53 CD-CDR 2/3/3/8
5/13/90 Lincoln, NE Duffy's Tavern 17 50 CD-CDR 3/3/3/9
8/17/90 Hollywood, CA The Palladium (From the Digital Master!) 3/12 51 DAT-CDR
8/20/90 Sacramento, CA Crest Theater 12 42 DAT-T1-CDR 4/2/3/9
10/24/90 London, England Astoria Theater 19 67 T1-CDR
11/25/90 Seattle, WA The Off Ramp Cafe 19 67 CD-CDR
3/8/91 Vancouver, Candada Commodore Ballroom 15 45 TM-DAT-T1-CDR 4/3/3/10
4/17/91 Seattle, WA OK Hotel 19 64 VID3-CDR 4/4/2/10
6/18/91 Santa Cruz, CA Catalyst 14 45 DAT-T1-CDR 4/2/4/10
8/23/91 Reading, England Reading Festival 13 41 CD-CDR 3/3/2/8
8/25/91 Hasselt, Belgium Pukkelpop Festival 10 35 TM-DAT-CDR 3/2/3/8
8/27/91 Bremen, Germany Aladin 13 45 12"-T1-CDR 2/3/2/7
8/27/91 Bremen, Germany Aladin (MP3, CD) 13 44 (all copies missing end of "Endless Nameless") T1-CDR-256kMP3 T1-CDR 2/3/3, 3&1/7.5
9/20/91 Toronto, Canada Opera House 16 61 T3-CDR
10/12/91 Chicago, IL The Cabaret Metro 17 57 CD-CDR
10/21/91 Austin, TX Liberty Lunch 18 68 CD-RMCDR 4/3/2/9
10/23/91 Tempe, AR After The Gold Rush 18 66 TM-DAT-T1-CDR 2/3/3/8
10/25/91 Hollywood, CA The Palace 18 63 CD-CDR
10/29/91 Portland, OR Fox Theater 21 73 TM-DAT-T1-CDR
10/31/91 Seattle, WA Paramount Theater 19 72 CD-CDR 4/3/3/10
11/16/91 Muggia, Italy Teatro Verdi 18 52 CD-CDR
11/19/91 Rome, Italy Castle Theater 18 56 CD-CDR
11/23/91 Ghent, Belgium Vooruit 21 81 T1-DAT-T2-CDR (2 CD's) 1/4/2/7
11/25/91 Amsterdam, Holland Pardiso (complete, in order, NOT from any of the various cut CD's!) 17 56 DAT-T1-CDR
12/4/91 Manchester, England Manchester Academy 15 45 CDR-CDR 2/3/2/7
12/28/91 Del Mar, California O'Brien Pavillion 13 42 CD-CDR 4/2/4/10
12/31/91 San Francisco, CA Cow Palace 13 47 DAT-T1-CDR 3/3/3/9
1/10/92 New York, NY MTV Studios 9 41 VID1-CDR 4/4/4/12
2/1/92 Melbourne, Austrailia The Palace 7 23 CD-CDR
2/6/92 Sydney, Austrailia Selina's Coogee Bay Hotel 17 69 DAT-T1-CDR
10/30/92 Buenos Aires, Argentina Velez Sarsfield Stadium 17 57 CD-CDR
10/23/93 Chicago, IL Aragon Ballroom 24 101 DAT-T1-CDR (2 CD's) 2/4/3/9
1/4/94 Vancouver, BC, Canada Pacific Coliseum 22 90 TM-DAT-CDR (2 CD's) 3/3/3/9
1/8/94 Seattle, WA Seattle Center Arena 25 102 CD-CDR (2 CD's)
2/14/94 Paris, France Le Zenith 23 86 CD-CDR (2 CD's) 3/3/3/9
2/16/94 Rennes, France Salle Ominsport 25 94 CD-CDR (2 CD's) 3/3/3/9
2/22/94 Rome, Italy Palaghiaccio di Marino 22 76 CD-CDR (2 CD's) 4/2/4/10
2/25/94 Milan, Italy Palatrussardi 22 79 CD-CDR (2 CD's) 4/3/4/11
------- ------------ Outcesticide:  In Memory of Kurt Cobain (Ultra-Rare Blue Moon 14-R Remastered Version with Krist and Courtney's Eulogies added) 23 78 CD Varies
------- ------------ Outcesticide 2: The Needle and the Damage Done 21 74 CD Varies
------- ------------ Outcesticide 3: The Final Solution 23 74 CD Varies
------- ------------ Outcesticide 4: Rape of the Vaults(Blue Moon Re-release, different picture disc) 23 77 CD Varies
------- ------------ Outcesticide 5: Disintegration (semi-rare, KAOS demo, plus more) 22 72 CD Varies

NEW TRADER FAQ

Q.  What should I get as my first one?

A.  As I'm sure many of you looking at this page haven't traded much or at all before, your head is probably swimming at the number of shows there are, and which one to get (maybe not so much on mine, but on other lists), so you'd like a recommendation.  Early on, KAOS, the party show, 1/23/88, and 12/28/88 are great shows all around and it's really interesting to hear the band that early (KAOS was 4 1/2 years before Nevermind was released!)  In the Bleach era, 6/23/89 and 10/8/89 are two superpowerful shows from front to back, even if the quality is a tad low on the June show.  In 1990, 8/17/90 is very intense and has a great track list (with the soundcheck of Floyd the Barber/In Bloom/In His Hands) and the quality is superb. Then there's 11/25/90, which is my favorite show ever, insane setlist (even without encore), the band's best performance in my opinion, and good recording quality.  It doesn't get any better than that show. In 1991, 10/21/91 is one of my favorite shows of all time, and 12/28/91 is both the highest quality and most consistent performance (i.e. closest to the records) in the same bootleg, even if the tracklist is a little short and mundane (none of the drop d songs like Negative Creep and Been a Son).  In 92, 1/10/92 is a great disc (video is even better though) and 10/30/92 is awesome with its peformance of "Beeswax". In 1993, 10/23/93 is a must have for the only surfaced recording of "You've Got No Right," not to mention a funny intro from Bobcat Goldwaithe.  In 1994, 2/25/94 is my favorite, an audience recording that sounds better than most SOUNDBOARDS and uncommon performances of Frances Farmer Will Have Her Revenge On Seattle and Verse Chorus Verse are it's high points, much better than the more popular "ROMA" disc from 2/22/94 in my opinion.  The Smart Sessions are a great disc of studio work and Montage of Heck is an extremely weird and cool addition to anyone's collection, with sound collages and two songs, one commonly called "The Landlord" and an odd cover of Cher's "Gypsies, Tramps, and Thieves." For a hodge-podge of rare songs, I recommend the new remastered Outcesticide 1.  Everything is great quality, with the new additions of the eulogies by Courtney Love and slightly rarer, Krist Novoselic. That is probably the one best compilation disc out there, I haven't seen any one disc that comes close.

Q.  Hey!  This guy has this show at 60 minutes, and that guy has it as 45 minutes, which is it?

Athough I only post the tapes/cd's that I have that are of the most complete, best quality version you can get, not all traders are like that, so if you're thinking about getting a show, check out other pages and see if the info about that one you're looking at is the same.  There are some outdated versions of tapes, but also, it could be, "well, his is the full show at C+ quality, but mine is 35 minutes of it at A-" and then it's just a preference issue.  Do you like quality, or the whole show better?  Most experienced traders like myself like the whole show, because we've already got a few A+ quality shows, so that issue doesn't matter as much (some of the more "anal" traders have both versions!).

Q.  I got this tape, and it's not a B+ at all, more like a D+!  I got ripped off!

A.  Not neccessarily.  Grading is a personal thing, and varies from trader to trader (and tape to tape).  If you can't hear the guitars as good and the vocals are loud, or vice versa, well, some people like that and give it a higher grade than someone who likes loud drums and bass, etc.  Generally, the traders with more than 20 bootlegs are pretty consistent on this, but be skeptical if somebody with three tapes has a show listed as A- and everybody else has it at C+.  Ask if somebody has an mp3 or wav file of the song they can send (and if you don't have an mp3 player, shame on you!  And go to http://www.winamp.com right now!) NOT real audio, that is not CD quality, or anywhere close for that matter, so you won't be getting an accurate representation of the sound.

Q.  I sent this guy my stuff, and I haven't gotten mine.  It's been a couple of weeks.  Have I been ripped off?

A.  Possibly, but not likely, IF they have a good reputation to begin with.  Most people have lives outside the computer, and shit happens, your car can break down, you know, stuff that delays the mailing of the tape.  Nice people let you know when this happens, but if the problem is that their computer is busted and the source of your tape is in mp3, they can't mail you about it or make the tape, can they?  If you trade and haven't gotten your tape after a month, give them one final chance and mail them, and if they don't respond, bring out the big guns.  Post to UseNet, tell every webmaster that trades bootlegs that you can find, and this con artist will probably never be able to trade again!

Q.  This guy has xx/xx/xx but will only trade it for rare trades.  Why?

A.  Although a lot of times what they have isn't even rare and they are being quite uppity (like for instance, the party show 87, and videos like 2/14/90 and 8/24/90 have been common for months, but still appear as rare on many lists), the reason is, that's the way the trading community gets more shows.  There weren't always 250+ shows available to you, somebody had to find them/buy them/trade for them.  And having a rare show is usually the only way to get other rare shows. And once you get one, if you play your cards right, you will always have a rare show that will get you other rare shows.  Just be patient, wait a few months and it should be common, like what happened with the KAOS demo in 1998.

Q.  Nirvana played here, then, but I can't find a tape of it.  Why not?

A.  There are many reasons.  If it's an early show, probably because five people were there and nobody bothered to tape it.  If it's a later show however, in a lot of cases it's being hoarded because it has a rare song or three on it, and they are looking for other rare things, and not even letting people know that they have it!  Another example is, people have it, but just don't want to trade it, because they feel that trading is illegal (but obviously they don't think taping is!). Or the taper stuck it in the attic with the 150 other shows he taped that year and no one knows he has it.  Shows like all but the first scenario are known as "unsurfaced." One example of an unsurfaced show is 8/6/93.  It was bootlegged, but does anyone have it?  Not to my knowledge.  And a TON of rare songs were played that night, so people want that more than say, that unsurfaced europe 89 show where they played "School" for the zillionth time.

Q.  IS bootlegging/taping illegal?

A.  It depends on the specific act you are performing.  Trading tapes where cash is not involved is NOT illegal.  Selling bootleg CD's IS illegal.  This is different from PIRACY, where it would be like somebody making a copy of "Nevermind" and selling it for 5 bucks.  This is bad, NEVER buy a pirated CD, and try to avoid buying bootleg CD's, though that isn't nearly as bad as pirating, because a record company can't lose money on something it hasn't released, can it?


MY RULES

1.  When one side of a tape ends/CD-R runs out of space before a song is over, ALWAYS RESTART THE SONG ON THE NEXT SIDE/DISC!!!
2. I am interested in the following types of shows:  Complete shows, the most complete version of a show surfaced, and higher quality but less complete (than a different version) shows.  I have in excess of 50 shows on cassette but I don't post a lot of them because I won't trade them, simply because you can get a better copy somewhere else. Either they are cut, or they are like 10th gen copies, etc.
3.  Always use brand new Maxwell XLII-S tapes, verbatim DataLife plus CD-R's, or an unlabled brand of CD-R, always send cases (unless we agree otherwise), always label the tapes, and always put a setlist with it (either on provided j-card or with a J-card computer program)
4. Strech the tape before recording on it, and right before you mail it.  This involves the simple procedure of fast forwarding the tape all the way and then rewinding the tape back, only takes a couple minutes.
4a. After stretching it, use one of the four labels that comes with the tape to secure the gear in place, to prevent slacking while shipping.
5.  If there is a delay for some reason, please inform me, I will be understanding because I have been delayed before myself and will do the same for you (inform you of delays).  Do not rip me off!
4.  Send in a thoroughly padded, and thoroughly closed (go nuts with the clear tape on any openable side) envelope or box.  The Post Office likes to break/open/steal/lose things!
5.  Inform me when you send your side, and when you receive mine.  I will of course do the same.
6.  I will do 2:1's on tapes OR CD-R's.  All I ask is that my tape be an unopened Maxwell XLII-S 90 or 100 minutes, or 6 of those normal bias Sony tapes, 90 min, and that you send $3 dollars shipping for every 4 tapes with cases, 6 tapes without.  You can also buy tapes from me for $6 ($5 apiece for more than 1). CDR's should be any brand without labeling on the face (the top is blank) and comes in a jewel case. Verbatim Data Life Plus is ok too. You can also buy a CDR from me for $6 ($5 apiece for more than 1).  Or send 2 XLII-S tapes for 1 CDR.  I'm flexible!!!
6a. U.S. FUNDS CASH ONLY!!! NO CHECKS!!! This is not a rip off enabler (see references below), but a convienience measure.  With checks, I have to give them to my mom to cash, and that is a HUGE drag.  I will not rip you off. Just make sure that the cash isn't visible, if mailing in a white envelope wrap in a sheet of notebook paper, if in a package with CDRS or tapes put inside the case.
7.  I will no longer trade FOR tapes, unless it is rare, but I will still send them out 2:1.  All tape copies come from my Pioneer CT-W606DR, which uses Dolby HX PRO and has the highest frequency response out of any consumer audio cassette deck.  I can use Dolby B or C upon request, but don't otherwise.  CD copies come from a Philips 2x2x6 CD-RW and a Mitsumi 32x CD-ROM drive. I can put tape onto CD-R now, and the 2 sec gap in CD-R copies is fixed.
*NEW* 8.  I do NOT want any show sourced from .mp3 file, unless it's rare.  Analog or uncompressed digital sources please!


REFERENCES:

ire32land@aol.com
hppyface@swbell.net
SPICERPUBL@aol.com
ifyoumustk@aol.com
Iveryape@aol.com
Evad195@aol.com
PacoFoo@aol.com
bbarker007@hotmail.com
ku2tcobain@aol.com
ksproul@fit.edu


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