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Summary/Conclusions of the ISO/TC23/SC19/WG3 meeting in

Wageningen (NL) on sept 13+14, 1999 >>D R A F T 3<<

  1. WG3 works on the basis of consensus. On being asked, Mr Zens, Secr. of SC19, confirms. If this proves to be not possible, voting might be used. Mr. Zens also recommends to hand these cases over to SC 19.
  2. This meeting, WG3 had been enlarged by the addition ofthe following new experts:
    Mr. Cakl from Czech Republik, Mr. Frantisek Lavcak from Slovwakia,
    Mr Leonardo Naminez from Chile, Mr.Ingemar Grotewahl from Sweden
    and Mrs Ilse Hoffmann from Austria.
  3. Since the status of certain experts present was not clear, the chairman ruled that conclusions should be reached on consensus only.
  4. On approval of the agenda, a request of Mr. Grotewahl is accepted to discuss the modification of ISO 11784/85 just after approval of the minutes.
  5. The following persons submitted written motions during the meeting, which are recorded in the Appendix:
    Mr. Cakl from Czech Republik, Mr. Frautisek Lavcak from Slovwakia, Mr Leonande Naminez from Chile, Mr.Ingemar Grotewahl from Sweden,
    Mr. Grigory Anisimov from Russia, Mr. Gary Burch from New Zealand.
  6. The draft report of the ad-hoc committee was presented, questions were answered. The report with questions and answers will be send to the secretary of SC19 in response to his request. Mr Vrolijk had not received the draft report that was sent to him and will communicate additional comments as soon as possible.
  7. The proposal for a standard on the NWI (standard for Advanced transponders) , as presented by Mr.Jansen, has been accepted by the meeting without modifications and will be submitted to SC19.
  8. The presentation of Mr. Nind on the injection sites of transponders has been accepted. The related document will be placed on the WG3 web site.
  9. The WG3 press release and subsequent improvements will be placed on the WG3 Web-site. Submission will be handled by the secretary. Official information on implementation status of the standards will be sent to the secretary of WG3 and will be placed on the WG3 web site.
  10. The work of the ICAR subcommittee "Animal Identification" on the development of conformity and performance test for tags and readers should be accelerated as much as possible. WG3 sees it as a responsibility of the ICAR committee on Animal Identification. The chairman of WG3 will bring the mandate again to the attention of the ICAR board and raise this issue to the ICAR board to set an acceptable timeframe or else WG3 will try to handle the mandate to another appropriate body.
  11. The information sent by WG3 Secr.to ISO/IEC JTC1/SC31 can be duplicated by this SC for internal distribution.
  12. Mr.Zens will be thanked for his attendance and presentation of the possibilities of the ISO/TC presentations on the web. In the near future, this will also be the main platform for distribution of WG3 documents and related information. Specific information for SC or WG members only will be accessible through a password. The address of the ISOTC server is http://isotc.iso.ch/livelink/livelink. (The main ISO site is on: http://www.iso.ch)
  13. An ISO reader must be referred to as an ISO 11784/11785 reader and be in conformance with clause 6 of ISO 11785.


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Appendix. Submitted motions

Motion of Mr. Ingemar Grotewahl from Sweden:

The discussion of modification of ISO 11784/85 shall be dealt with as the front item on the agenda, after approval of the minutes and before items 5 and 6 (TWG issues).

Motion of Mr Leonardo Naminez from Chile:

"Mr. Chairman, Chile voted asking for revision of the ISO standards. Here you are telling us that all this has to be by consensus. Chile do not agree with this procedure. If we cannot express opinions by vote on the most important item, it’s illogical to vote for less important items. We believe that this is not correct. We ask to express the vote".

Motion of Mr. Grigory Anisimov from Russia:

"1. I absolutely disagree with the draft report of the Ad hoc committee represented at this meeting. 2. I also consider that on that point WG3 has not reached consensus".

Motion of Mr. Gary Burch from New Zealand:

"As an appointed expert from New Zealand, I am recording my disappointment that the executive of this committee (WG3) has chosen to run this meeting in an undemocratic manner, i.e.: * has refused to accept any motions from members of this committee, * has refused to allow open a frank debate on issues presented at this meeting, * has not called for a vote or gained a general consensus on any of the issues presented or discussed at this meeting".

Motions of Mr. Alex Caxl from Czech Republik:

"Delegates and national institutes from the Eastern European countries (e.i. Russia, Slovac. Rep) did not receive the invitation and documents for this meeting, I am afraid. I believe that the situation will be better for the next time. We are interesting in RFID marking of animals, of course. We would like to participate on negotiations for to break the trade barrier between Eastern European countries and the Western part of the world. We shall prefere the most simple and safe systems with local databases only at first, but with the producers databases. The Slovak delegate support my opinion as well. I am speaking in behalf for him too".

"As a first timer attend of a WG3 meeting, I wish to express my disappointment with the process, that occurred here, I am afraid. We came here and expected then open debate and the procedure, that was open. You did not allow some motions and said that the meeting would operate by consensus. I did not hear consensus. Only in agenda does not reflect the feeling of P-members. I wish to formally register Czech’s opposition to this [?, unreadable word, wje]".

Motion of Mr. Frantisek Lavcak from Slovakia (In German language submitted):

"Meine name ist Frautisek Lavcak, ich komme aus Slowakei. Ich bin das erste mal von slowakische Standardorganisation (SUTN) delegiert auf eine solche Sitzung, das ist für uns wichtig, weil die Problematik in der Slowakei aktuell ist. Details von ISO Normen (11784, 11785) und von Änderungen dieser Normen bespreche ich mit betroffenen Organisationen in der Slowakei. Dazu brauche ich schriftliche Materialen, und ich möchte Sie bitten mir diese in zukunft zuverlässig zu schicken. Und noch eine bemerkung: Wenn auf so einer Sitsung etwas nicht klar ist, nicht ein Konsens ist, muss man darüber abstimmen. Das erwarte ich mir von einer transparanten und demokratischen Organisation und das habe ich auch gestern mehrmals erwarted. Est ist normal. Ohne abstimmung, kan ich mit den gestern präsentirten Resultaten nicht einverstanden sein".