The HQ interview...

...SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL
      Story by Amruta Slee

Paul McDermott- is satirist, comedian, cabaret performer all rolled into one.
Fast, smart, witty and cruel. How did the Good News Week host, paralysed by 
shyness as a child, come to be so--overt?

The name of a saint, the singing voice of an angel, the mind of a sinner. It's
not easy being Paul Mc Dermott- but it's far less easy being paul Mc Dermott's
audience. A freezing midwinter's night in Sydney. In a draughty ABC-TV studio,
the taping of Good News Week is getting underway. McDermott bounds onstage and
surveys us through gleaming eyes, the fox loose in the hen-house. We make tasty
morsels- a bouncy Clairol-ad hairstyle here, a lurid sweater there and, over in
this corner, a sweet smiling adolescent boy. Paydirt."Are you old enough to have
pubic hair yet?" McDermott demands. "You don't even know what 'f---ing' means." 
His victim makes the mistake of protesting. Our host grows silky at the prospect
of forthcoming humiliation. "Oh, you do know!" he says." Stand up and tell the
audience, then."

Another comic would warm up with a more soothing routine, invite people to 
observe the absurdities of life, perhaps. Pick on someone their own size. 
McDermott is not that comic. "If the audience don't like it they can go away" is
how he sums up his performance philosophy. Tonight, taunting and jeering-"Tell 
us! Come on, you're so clever, you know everything"- he gives the impression he's
not going to relent. And he doesn't, until the boy begs, "Please don't make me
do it."

The warm-up didn't make it to air, but it goes a long way towards explaining the 
36-year-old McDermott's steadily growing cult appeal. In a wasteland of 
homogenised entertainment he represents the unknown. He will say the things
you were thinking five seconds before. He might not stick to the script. "Danger
-ous" is the word used most often when describing his style.

"He'll get right out there and risk a great deal," says Wendy Harmer, who worked
with him on The Big Gig. "It's fascinating to watch, in a scary way." Similiarly
comedian Mark Trevorrow[aka Bob Downe], who has been a fan of McDermott's since
he first saw him perform with the Doug Anthony Allstars, admires his capacity to
push the envelope. "It's such a skill," Trevorrow says," to be so rude to 
everybody and still have them like you." Trevorrow lauds the "true spirit of 
cabaret" behind McDermott's antics, saying that "the room decides what will 
happen". It works, Harmer muses, because, "obviously people can see the twinkle
in Paul's eye. They wouldn't stand for it if he was really awful."

Audiences do seem to adore McDermott. Every arch of his eyebrow, every mocking 
remark is greeted with raptuous applause. Women- and plenty of men- declare him 
a big old sex bomb. Fifteen-year-old girls dedicate websites to him and wave 
placards saying, "We love U Paul".["You spelt 'you' wrong, he retorts] 
Advertisers want him to sell their products, directors send him film scripts to
consider, other TV shows are trying to create their own version of him.

Not long ago, few observers would have predicted such a rosy future. McDermott 
established himself as a talent to watch in the late 1980s, but when the 
Allstars had their much-publicised split in 1994, it was the other two, Tim
Ferguson and Richard Fidler, perceived as the 'user-friendly Dougs', who were 
being courted. Ted Robinson, the producer of Good News Week, recalls trying 
unsuccessfully to 'sell' McDermott, whom he describes as an engine-room of ideas
as a compere to commercial television management for a year or so. "Too edgy", 
Robinson says. "Paul has a natural bent to want to shock, and television is a 
conservative medium."

In the end, Robinson created Good News Week- based on a satirical current 
affairs show in the UK- a knowing blend of current affairs and pop culture that 
capitalises on McDermott's freewheeling schtick. The show made a sluggish start,
then picked up steam to the point where, when the hugely popular Channel Nine 
Show, with Roy and HG, took a break, the GNW team was chosen to replcae it with
Good News Weekend, a variation on the weekly program.

McDermott casts himself as part of a group effort- Mikey Robins and Julie 
McCrossin complete the onstage team-but there's no doubt he is the one the 
audience screams loudest for. His popularity has resulted is some interesting
offers;recently, a major political party asked him to run for office. He turned
them down. "It's stupid to build a party on personalities," he says, looking 
faintly embarassed when the subject is raised. "I've done too many evil things 
in my past and they would come up. No way. Why would you do it? For Christ's 
sake....." A minute later, he has thought of a reason: "If you were a 
conservative politician it would make sex more interesting. Oranges up your 
arse, big plastic bag over your head, dangling from and electrical beam- that's 
living!"

McDermott's monster act is convincing. "What's Paul like?" I've been asking his 
friends and colleagues, with growing trepidation, the answer before we meet. 
Here are some of the answers:'smart','thoughtful','sweet','hard to get to know',
'complex'. Most people who know him concur that he has long, dour periods and 
can be prickly. Wendy Harmer weighs in with this reassuring bit of advice:"He's 
only scary if he thinks you're bullshitting him." 

"Paul's something of a contradiction," says filmmaker Tony Ayres, who went to 
art school with him in Canberra. "He's got that confident public persona, but 
underneath he's an incredibly shy person who takes a long time to make friends."

When he does befriend someone, however, it's a commitment. Gerald Jones, another
artschool friend and Canberra resident, says that though they move in different 
circles, McDermott has stayed in touch and when they meet, "He's genuinely 
interested in what I do."

A few days after the taping, McDermott takes time out from his frantic schedule 
to meet me at his local, the Bondi Icebergs bar, a place where grizzled guys 
drink beer and play cards and nobody recognises him. Away from the cameras. 
lights and audience action, he appears smaller and quieter. Also a lot less 
matte. "On TV you've got no wrinkles," I note. "And now, heaps wrinkles," he 
replies amiably. "It's amazing the amount of blusher, rouge and foundation they 
paint on to make you look lifelike fro the cameras. That's the thing about 
television and performance, it's an illusion. If you didn't wear makeup it'd be 
pretty scary, like those mornings when you drop acid and your pupils are 
enlarged because you're accepting so much information[that] you see a landscape
completely different from what you normally see. Very tricky for everyone at 
home." He is immediately likeable, lively without being overbearing and, 
unexpectedly for the star of the show, attentive.Almost any query will send him 
off an a riff which twists and turns through myriad subjects. This is highly 
entertaining and has the added bonus, from his point of view, of deflecting 
inquiries until he has worked out a way to answer them.

McDermott did not set out to be a comic. It was something he began doing as a 
way to put himself through art school.Being part of the cabaret theatre of the 
Allstars was also a way to consolidate his interests:writing, singing, dancing 
and drawing[ he paited the backdrops for many of the gigs] He became one of the
trio almost by accident when another member left and was, for a while, the shy 
one. Mr Grumpy, as his Allstars character was known, developed because "nobody 
else wanted to be the monster, wanted to be hated in that sort of sense." He 
was the one who would encourage the sadistic games the trio became known for, 
or the one who would single out audience members for abuse. It was challenging
for both audience and performers- anything could happen- but at times even he 
was suprised by the frenzy that erupted.

"With the Dougs, we used to have a game where we'd get everybody to slap the 
person next to them," he says."You'd get this domino effect, people would forget
they were at a comedy venue and their goal became to win this farcical,
belittling race that achieved nothing! They'd slap their loved ones, their 
friends, people they didn't know, and you'd be thinking, "Why are they doing 
this?" and at the same time you'd be shouting, 'Come on! Faster! Harder!' It's 
a weird thing, a good-bad schism."

When people came up later and showed him bruises he had engineered, he would 
apologise only to find that they didn't mind at all. "What interested me," he 
says, "was the way people kept coming back for more."

Where does the persona end and the person begin?McDermott will frankly concede 
that he can behave like a prize arsehole- he has turned friends into "demented 
messes" with his irrational moods and made several enemies along the way- but 
he stresses that the stage act is just that, a piece of theatre which exposes 
the hypocrisy of accepted social veneers by ripping them away. "It's like 
painting pictures of the devil, exploring that terrain," he offers as 
explanation. The skill lies in knowing when to stop and how to control it, what
he calls "the magician's trick" of performance. Asking if he feels any moral 
compunction over upsetting people is, to him, missing the point; even on the 
one occasion his parents came to see the Allstars he didn't tone it down. 

You could construe all this as a power trip and in a sense it is. McDermott has
a way of turning things around to his advantage. But another way to see the act 
is as a form of rebellion, a revenge on the sort of guy he was supposed to be. 
McDermott, who grew up in the suburbs of Canberra, the oldest son in an Irish 
Catholic family, and a twin to boot- his sister, Sharon, was born a minute 
before him- was a misfit at the all-boys Marist Brothers high school he 
attended. A "backwardly quiet" student, paralysed by shyness- he recalls only 
losing his maths book and being too terrified to tell any one for the whole 
year- he was hopeless at the things that mattered, like rugby league. His 
teachers regarded him as an imbecile and he had few friends. There was a point 
where he couldn't imagine anyone ever liking him. He relates this without 
self-pity, although the way he hops up from the table and busies himself with 
nothing in particular suggests it has left a few scars. What did he think would
happen to him? "I hoped I would die young," he replies and seems only to be 
half joking.

To add to it, there was this growing distance from Catholicism. He rails 
against the "duplicitous" nature of a Church which preaches tolerance on the 
one hand and condemns all non-believers to burn in the eternal fires of 
damnation on the other. The Catholics he grew up with, he says, were "insular 
and hideously racist" and his early religious teaching left him with a mistrust 
of orthodoxy that's a constant in his work and his converstaion.

By channelling his alienation into performance he has made it work for him. But 
what's notable about McDermott is that while other comics trade on their 
outsider status, playing endearing eccentrics, he has inhabited a less 
empathetic role. As Mr Grumpy, he was the alpha male, the sexual predator, the 
football hooligan. The scabrous-compere drag he puts on for Good News Week is 
another guise; it gives him leave to hurl invective at anyone who doesn't agree 
with his version of the world. Like religion, and the media, which he 
relentlessly critiques, masculinity is a departure point and a reference: "It's 
the attraction-repulsion thing," he says.

When I remark that the harshness of his characters is a male preogative, that a 
woman would have a harder time getting away with that, he agrees, though he 
thinks more should try:" It would be good to see women taking on that powerful 
role." For a group of "fey lads", as McDermott describes the Allstars, 
posturing as agressors was cathartic, like "squeezing the cancer out of the 
body."

He sounds a little nostalgic as he talks about the group whose split, triggered 
by Tim Ferguson's decision to quit London where the Allstars were performing 
and return to Melbourne to be with his young family, is still the subject of
speculation. Rumours that the break was acrimonious were fuelled by an article 
in the Good Weekend magazine earlier this year which stated that McDermott and 
Richard Fidler have not spoken to Ferguson since. More recently though, 
Ferguson appeared on Good News Week. McDermott is willing to talk on the topic, 
although he chooses his words with care. The break came at the wrong time, he 
says," We were working towards our own series with [UK's] Channel Four and they 
were interested. Richard and I thought coming back to perform in Australia 
would mean going to a commercial station, which was the next logical step, and 
that would have been an incredible compromise of what we did." His friends say 
that McDermott, who invested a lot of himself in the Allstars, was depressed 
for a long time after they split. "No, not depressed," McDermott corrects. "I 
was probably sullen for a while, but I'd always expected it to happen." He does 
remember feeling "mute" afterwards, as if all the known avenues of expression 
had been cut off.

Do he and Ferguson have a good relationship these days? "We have an OK 
relationship," he says evenly. "We send each other flowers on our birthdays."

Tim Ferguson, who is in Sydney to play Frankn'Furter in a production of the 
Rocky Horror Show, did not return calls,but in the Sun-Herald he was quoted as 
saying that he left the Allstars because they were just, "touring England, in a
van, going from gig to gig, town to town, making money but never arriving 
anywhere in a professional sense."

Says McDermott, "He believes that because he wants to believe that. We were 
playing 3000-seat venues and we were on TV the whole time. But I wrote all the 
material so maybe it wasn't as artistically enriching an experience for Tim." 
With a flash of feeling he adds, "I don't feel comfortable talking about this, 
but it would be better to make no money and like what you did than to be in the
cesspool of comedy hell."

Richard Fidler, who is currently hosting the program Race Around The World, 
declined to be interviewed.

If He's not being a compere, or writing songs, or hurling himself into the surf
at Bondi, McDermott spends his time painting. One evening he shows me through 
the flat he shares with his girlfriend, Jo, an academic, and about a thousand 
of his paintings; miniature surrealist landscapes, grotesque cartoons in the 
manner of Raw comic books sketched in Texta on the backs of envelopes, tortured
renderings of devils and saints. A half-finished drawing of a foot sits on an 
easel. Dotted about the place are books he has made- he is an obsessive paper 
collector- and the various other projects he's working on, among them ideas for 
scripts and shows.

He says he needs to produce things, that he can never just sit still. "Maybe 
because I'm not going to produce anything else," he cracks. Meaning? "Well, 
children," he says firmly; kids would be for him a way to "pass on all your
insecurities". Is he a workaholic? He doesn't like the word, he prefers to say 
that he has a lot of things to do.

What will he do next? "That's always the dilemma, isn't it?" he responds. 
Comedy is a transient business. He has plans but they are not linear. "There 
are books I want to write or...whatever," McDermott says. "I fall into 
everything." For all his talent and all the productivity, he seems to still be 
working out a direction to go in. Ted Robinson, who gives Good News Week 
another year, predicts that McDermott will possibly move on to feature films.
"I will say this about Paul's life," Robinson says. "I think he needs to make 
some choices soon about what to do."

He won't give up performing yet, he loves it too much. Talking earlier about 
its allure, McDermott made it sound like the activity which allowed him the 
most freedom while supplying him with a protective cover for the things he 
holds precious.

"Anything that you do- painting or writing- there's no response in the world 
that's going to make you happy with it if you're not happy with it," he says. 
"You can show a piece of it to someone and they say, 'Oh, I love that,' but 
that's got no value, it doesn't mean that much. Performing is the opposite; you 
can go out there and do something appalling and people love it."

Doesn't that make him feel like a fraud? He laughs. "Occasionally, yeah, yeah, 
of course I do. What's so traumatic about that?"


Article taken from HQ magazine. With sincere thanks to Amruta Slee.
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