You guys got a bad ass site! But there is a site called "Hawaii Underground Magazine" that just came out and they are claiming to be the first underground ezine in Hawaii. (I know you guys were up first!) It's all a bunch of booty! They talk about Extreme Radio, I-94, KQMQ, and all that booty music. Aaliyah, Janet Jackson, the Clinton scandal?? is that underground, and what does it have to do with the Hawaii scene? DOES ANYONE REALLY BELIVE THAT IS UNDERGROUND? If you do, you deserve to be led around by the nose like the unsuspecting cattle that you are. Don't belive the hype, don't give them your money. Demand quality! For all of you that keep it real, much respect!
BY:dan x (disgruntled victim of corporate lies)
I am writing an article about Hawaii underground web sites for Hawaii
Underground Magazine and surfed on in by recommendation of a friend. (I
love your web site by the way). To my surprise I read Dan X's e-mail
bashing my web site hawaii-underground.com. W'sup with that? While I
completely respect his opinion, I feel he is greatly misinformed about who
we are. First of all, our zine is not part of any corporate giant like he
tends to believe. This project is fully funded by myself, a poor
journalist, who had a dream to show that our generation isn't just a bunch
of losers.
Many in our generation are struggling students, entertainers, artists,
employees, new business owners etc, trying to make something of their
lives. This is why we have different sections showing the various talents
and skills of the so called Hawaii Generation X.
As far as being the real underground—what the hell does that mean anyway?
I know for a fact, that as a writer for many well known newspapers, that
despite my suggestions, editors rarely let me cover the success stories of
our generation and that's what we are trying to do.
As far as bashing our Sept. issue's hip-hop style, it's too bad you didn't
wait a week. Our October issue mainly focuses on Alternative bands etc…Our
topics will continue to be varied because we know that everyone is
different and deserves to be appreciated.
As far as this word "first", hey if it offends you, I'll take it off. I
could careless. We have been around on the net for three years on
different sites and only could afford our own URL now—I have never heard of
Quad until recently and do not know how long it has been around. I think
they are doing a good job on their focus and applaud them for helping us
make the Net interesting for Hawaii.
If we really want to get technical, however, my hippie professor father has
had his zine out since the web was first available. Many of us were still
in grade school then…
So Dan, why don't you just chill and help a girl out? Send in your ideas
or your opinions to me at kym@iav.com. Help make us better. Lets make
love not war. Don't let them divide and conquer us. Lets unite and kick
ass. And baby, take up some yoga or get a good lay—release that anger,
honey. I know a few good girls down hotel street that'll help ya out.
Peace.
By:Kymberly
FROM:HawaiiUnderground.com
youre just scratching the surface of whats really out there,
ok i just read what that danx guy and what the hawaii "underground" lady posted. im sorry but
hawaii"underground" magazine is not "underground" god i hate that term, its so played out. its on its way to being in the same
category as the word "alternative". but the point is that you cannot possibly call your self "underground" and do a feature on
extreme radio. the most blatantly non "underground" thing in the world. i know your intentions and they are good....but i mean
i feel like you arent really going out and finding the true "hawaii underground" i mean if you wanted to do a feature on a radio
station why not ktuh?(the most under rated station in hawaii!!!) youre just scratching the surface of whats really out there,
maybe its better that the true underground isnt getting exposure. it keeps the fake people out. but i dunno if youre gonna claim
to be a magazine about the "underground" be a magazine about the "underground" sorry to sound so negative but this is the
way i feel. and i know that i sort of sound hypocritical by saying what i said about not exposing the true underground because
i do a zine of my own about hawaiis "subcultures" but at least i know what im talking about. well i guess thats it....sorry to
sound so damn negative, i give you a lot of respect for doing what youre doing because i know how hard it is to do a
publication and a webpage...well i guess thats it. thank you and good night. J A S O N D O R K DONT FORGET ABOUT
MUNGEN ONLINE!!! www.lava.net/~jasonekg MUNGEN#5 WILL BE OUT BY THE ZINE FEST(NOVEMBER)!!!
By:Professor Jason
FROM:Mugen
this is something I feel strongly about
Hey, I don't know how my email got on here, but I'm not really familiar with the Hawaii Underground that you talk of...I can talk about what underground is to me, however....
Underground hip hop (also associated with independent hip hop) is music made by artists who concentrate more on the technical side of things. Using emceeing, djing, graf, and b-boy elements, these underground heads look at executing each particular element properly. Take the labeled underground emcee Talib Kweli. As an underground emcee, he takes the poetical scheme of rhyming and "plays" with it, creating something new with words and delving deeper into the minds of hip hop fans (which at the same time is very entertaining). So underground emcees are separated because they talk about what nobody wants to hear AND that what they say hasn't been said before. Take a labeled "commercial" emcee like JD and his joint "Money Ain't a Thing". That's not acceptable in the underground because the total aspect of hip hop is lost in the whole song (and video).
Underground hip hop is also defined by the production side of things. The sampling issue has been talked about since Biz Markie and as of late, Puff Daddy, but to hear a beat and call it underground might be easier than listening to an emcee and label him/her/or them underground. Rough House Survivors, for example, came out with "Bad Luck" but got trashed for being unoriginal on their entire album. I don't have a problem with sampling on one condition: if you had to find a particular loop from a record deep in your grandma's basement, then sample it and have everyone in mystery as to how or where you got that beat, then you automatically get labeled as underground (because nobody's gonna play "The Hiatus" in a club, I guarantee you). Yes, I know it's not entirely true for all artists (look at ATCQ) to be labeled underground because of this, but with it comes an emotion, a moment of reocognition when a fellow dj hears a beat and says "oh shit, that's gonna be on my next mixtape".
I guess the main point here is orginality. If you are an expert at emceeing, don't bite Rakim or KRS. If you skratch, don't bite Babu or Revolution, an so on. For some reason, the mainstream isn't looking for anything new or original, they're just looking for what's the shit RIGHT NOW. So all these artists with skills and potential are put to the side because the fans and record execs aren't feelin' them because they're not with the grain and following the latest trend.
That's why it's labeled "Underground". At times it's not what you want to bring home to mother, but with listening and understanding it's what represents true hip hop.
Sorry if it seemed as if my thoughts were scattered, but this is something I feel strongly about, and would like to hear your comments (and be critical, because it helps me out a lot). Peace....
FROM: daps1
i could care less about all of them. peace
don't mean to be rude but who cares. if you really care that much how people label you ... underground this. underground that. hiphop this. hiphop that. then fuck, put simply, perhaps you're not spending enough time just DOING what you think is right to do in the way you think it's right to do it.
please take me off this list. i have enough probs with hiphop spams as it is already. and i could care less about all of them. peace
by:naga.tropical_cancer
hawaii@graffiti.org
well........
i believe it is the darkness that is brought to life through the people who support it. and it can apply to hip hop, raves, jungle, house, even alternative or new wave goth.. it's just the other side of the norm, like those who are cast aside from society....rejected....or by choice...but it's the rawness of it all that keeps it alive.... and you know a lot of it can be viewed as bad or too weird, but who cares anyways...it's just the good vibes that keep it alive. so you all keep it alive....
just my words....
kkrevenge
You cannot comprehend so don't even try-
ya want to know what underground is? I'll tell ya that both Xtreme radio and KTUH aren't underground. TRINITY CREW is underground Tricky Trevor is underground the rest is all main stream- Especially all the raves and shit-they are all mainstream. All those people who call themselves 'ravers' what a joke. They don't even do drugs, Underground is something that you cannot comprehend so don't even try-
by:Agent Orange
agentorange411@yahoo.com
I have a question…aren't drugs still illegal?
Lately every time I go out some kid is telling me about how high
he is on one drug or another. I'm starting to feel like a damn
guidance counselor! I'm not gonna say anything about whether its
wrong to do drugs or not, you decide, but I will say its wrong
to brag about it…hell its wrong to even talk about it. Mind
you, I don't know any of these kids tellin' me how messed up they
are. Get a clue! I could be a narc, or a thief, or even just
some crazy bastard who likes to murder kids on drugs! Where did
these little punks grow up where it's okay to say stupid shit
like that. Here's the only warning I'm gonna give- next kid that
comes up to me and tells me there on something, I'm sockin' em
in the face!
by: I could be anybody so watch your mouth
from: Everyclub, USA
Amen, brother!!!
Look I didn't write this letter to be negative, but
what's up with Rock Stedy Crew Hawaii? These guys claim there down. But where are they?
I think the last time I saw them was a year ago. They should be doing some thing for the Hip-hop
scene. Come on… man your Rock Stedy!!! That's a fuck in name.
Ahhhhhaa fuck it!
by: Tone-E a.k.a Do something !
We've been missing Rock Steady Hawaii too. Where yall at?
Capitol Phat, Plantation, call it MonkeyShit for all I care, I'm
still goin'. Anything Jamal does I'm there! Props to da Mongoose!!!
HI Hip Hop Lives!!!
by: Duke…peace!
Killawatts Baby!!…we'll be there too
QUAD
I loved the article From Where I'm Standing. It's
one of the coolest things I've read in a long time. When are
we going to get more? I have a print out of it on my wall. Keep
it real, and much love. You don't need to print this.
by: Laura
from: Makiki
But we did print it, hope that's okay…A new
article is in the works from "Someone you should Know"
Thanks for the props!
 |
 |