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winterking heish
Posted 8/7/2008 8:55:46 PM
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I was talking to Vimes.
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I believe such a game would be popular among the flying pigs that frequent Hell's many successful snow cone stands. ~ Squidhead =-= www.whatsupguy.com
Eroneous_Waylay
Posted 8/11/2008 5:16:44 PM
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I thought so, I'm just slightly paranoid.

Meanwhile, I've got some free time so I'll try to double-check that, Vimes, and possibly make it easier to read. Again, gratitudes extending beyond boundless latitudes. ^_^
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[19:09] ximenas_mami: google doesnt teach language..... i tried to learn irish....really. stupid google. possibly because it belongs to lawn gnomes
Polygon
Posted 8/12/2008 2:41:24 PM
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Are you out of the wheelchair for said free time, at least?

Also, that google quote is hilariously incoherent. Where was this said?
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Roger S. Huxley: Because sometimes a real man's gotta just blow **** up.
Eroneous_Waylay
Posted 8/12/2008 2:58:34 PM
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A friend of mine said that on Yahoo one day. ^_^ And what wheelchair? Or did I miss something? *Looks up*

Unless you mean this chair I'm sitting in right now, which has wheels, but is not a 'wheelchair' in the traditional sense. ` , : , '
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o/` We won't stop until somebody calls the cops and even then we'll start again and just pretend that nothing ever happened~ o/` -Kimya Dawson, Loose Lips
Mir_Vimes
Posted 8/12/2008 4:42:58 PM
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i'm not at a high enough level to delete posts. i still haven't put the addresses in (roommate deleted calculator off the computer...) but i will. eventually.
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Mir_Vimes
Posted 8/12/2008 4:45:12 PM
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Mir_Vimes
Posted 8/12/2008 4:47:06 PM
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Mir_Vimes
Posted 8/12/2008 4:48:06 PM
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Mir_Vimes
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Posted 8/12/2008 4:59:06 PM
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Mir_Vimes
Posted 8/12/2008 5:02:12 PM
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done. and i made a mistake. its supposed to be +12, not +1c. i was thinking equipment bytes.
11 is the wp/jp cost mod, and that's all i know.

time to google a calculator...
Eroneous_Waylay
Posted 8/13/2008 2:26:11 PM
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I have Calc98, although to be perfectly honest I haven't the faintest idea -why- I was using that and not Windows calculator (and now that I've got a keyboard with a calculator button, which IMHO is the most useful feature evar I actually use Windows calculator, just because I've been too lazy to set it to call up Calc98 instead O_o)
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Eroneous_Waylay
Posted 8/13/2008 4:04:28 PM
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Please excuse the double post..

I added the addresses to the ability info file, and was checking alongside calculator as I did it so it should be good and accurate. So far I've got nothing to add to the byte decoding though, as comparing StunSlash and Heaven/Hell got me nowhere in figuring out where it says, "Hey, this moves does Stun!" Nonetheless, I think this thread is a huge leap forward, and it probably will help in tracing and whatnot. ^_^
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Mir_Vimes
Posted 8/22/2008 11:11:47 AM
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i think i just emailed someone a few updates (mostly cosmetic, but i consolidated all my info too). now that's done.

and i am now gainfully employed. no more living off my savings and eating peanut butter casserole... i do grounds mantainance at a country club. other than inhaling exhaust all day, the only problem with this job is my skin. i'm white, but i'm really more pink than white, and pinkies just about catch fire in direct sunlight.

so what should i look for now?
and some links to new data diving tools and info would be appreciated.
Polygon
Posted 8/27/2008 7:05:55 AM
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Hey EW, about this line in your random back-issue page:

Character stats start at 10000, each stat block is 0x100 bytes.
I'm almost positive that bytes 30--35 have to do with stat growth--mystics, monsters and mecs have 00 exclusively here.


I'm confused as to where you're saying these addresses are. 1XXYY where XX = character number and YY = the individual bytes?

...I wanna go look these up but it's not immediately apparent where they are by your text.
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Eroneous_Waylay
Posted 8/27/2008 12:44:49 PM
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Polygon: Exactly. e.g. 10035 for Emelia. But you can probably replace "almost positive" with "I was speculating but really don't know snakes from ******". ^^

Vimes: I'm afraid I've probably laid all my cards on the table as far as tools go. IDA, XVI32, and that's about it, other than the emulator tools (pSX, ePSXe/CEP). I think you mentioned you use most of those anyway..

At any rate, I'm finally somewhat settled-in at college..taking 13 hours this semester (4 classes, and band, which they paid me $500 to be in, despite not having played an instrument (other than guitar, and that doesn't count, because I'm a horrible guitarist) in 6 years) so I've got lotsa free time. College internet can be kinda spotty but not horrible, and I don't even have a roommate so it gets b o r i n g. College algebra, on a related note, is complete and total zzzzzz. I drew a shoddy little Pac-man eating the graph on the handout, and gave him a text bubble that says "omnomnom", which for some reason has become my absolute favorite word.

Point of that last paragraph being that I might be able to motivate myself to do something besides stare at other peoples' progress on this endeavor and go, "Neat!" :)
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Polygon
Posted 8/27/2008 2:19:02 PM
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(4 classes, and band, which they paid me $500 to be in, despite not having played an instrument (other than guitar, and that doesn't count, because I'm a horrible guitarist) in 6 years)

Ah, it's always nice to find people more desperate than you.

As for your free time, we should rally people up around here and find an online game to conglomerate in. Since that SaGa Frontier MMO we fantasized about earlier isn't working out, something else'll have to do though. =D


Oh yea, about the Daoist sig, yea, pretty much. Bhuddists are different in that they're more like enlightened wanna-be nihilists. They -don't- believe in finality and fatalism in regards to their lives, but they want to try their best to remedy that "problem". =P
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Eroneous_Waylay
Posted 8/27/2008 5:13:22 PM
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....lmfao.

And really, that came out a very smoky conversation between me and a few friends. I was looking for words to describe Daoism (because, as a friend of mine on Nexus put it, "The Dao you talk about ain't Dao" ^^) and after about 20 minutes of me making less sense than usual, my friend's girlfriend and says something to the effect of said quote. Just..more rambling. I think I paraphrased it quite concisely...

As for MMOs, I used to play on UOGamers:Demise, but I think if I play any more Ultima it'll be on an oldschool-style server, UOGamers:Hybrid or something. Been playing Ragnarok Online (fRO, f-rag.net if you're just dying to play it) but there's a lot of staff issue there...mostly playing because an IRL friend of mine is on there, too, and we basically harass people. Defiant Peasants, and all that. ^_^ Other than that...my WoW subscription is out, as is my Nexus, Second Life doesn't count (and my computer hates it, anyway--it even tells me when I run it, "Hey, umm, your GFX card sux, sir"), and umm....9Dragons? Crashy and kinda buggy (like when it d/c I have to restart the game, and my computer doesn't like running it, either), Rohan Online? Lawl, I'm sorry I even brought that one up..

We should all play Maginobi!

Oh, and for pure gits and shiggles..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7583805.stm
So now we've apparently got astronauts playing Maple Story. Or trying to cheat and getting hijacked instead..

I also JUST came across this one, which immediately caught my eye and only got funnier. More funny. Wtfever grammar cops.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7585234.stm

OH! About the Saga MMO: It would be theoretically doable using the RunUO engine, you'd just be modding a UO private server. It already has the 'if you bash people with a mace you get strength' aspect built in, and in theory you could rebuild the graphics from the ground up with a custom client, and use the packet structures in the server code to rebuild them on clientside (if that made ANY sense), but I wouldn't know where to start. I mean, I could make a flow chart, MAYBE, but I know I wouldn't get any farther than that. ;x
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x_loto
Posted 8/27/2008 5:48:06 PM
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The Dao is not pleased.
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Polygon
Posted 8/27/2008 9:28:49 PM
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That's ok; we were never very chummy to begin with. =P
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Mir_Vimes
Posted 9/3/2008 3:43:09 PM
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Myertch_Aileron
Posted 9/4/2008 10:39:34 AM
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I have no idea what's going on! 0_0
Mir_Vimes
Posted 9/10/2008 11:56:44 AM
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Perin Valin
Posted 9/11/2008 12:14:05 PM
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i have pi
Mir_Vimes
Posted 9/12/2008 1:41:25 PM
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Mir_Vimes
Posted 9/19/2008 7:13:24 PM
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PurpleEye is D5.
D5 occurs 2328 times in a save state.
I just positoned lute outside the manhattan store...

I don't think i thanked you yet, ew. your site saved me from having to find all the hex values myself.

I'm going to start looking now, so please don't let this thread get locked.
Mir_Vimes
Posted 9/21/2008 2:26:04 PM
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i found something...

1304d7 determines the item sold in the mech weapons shop in the backstreets of koorong.
Mir_Vimes
Posted 9/21/2008 2:29:52 PM
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/30710917@N04/2877002784/
Mir_Vimes
Posted 9/21/2008 2:43:17 PM
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item #2 at that shop (sonic cannon) is 1304e4,
#3 (thunderbolt) is 1304f1...

there are 13 bytes for each item sold... and i just thought, isn't magic sold at shops too? could there be ability shops in store for any saga frontier rom hackers?

also, what format (*.bin/*.cue, *.cdz, whatever else there is) is best suited to rom hacking? i don't want all the work i did to be pointless...
bybyr
Posted 9/21/2008 7:13:03 PM
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please forgive me if it has been asked (since I just know this thread)

but how we make use of these data? Is there any guide to use them?
Mir_Vimes
Posted 9/21/2008 7:44:40 PM
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what specifically do you need to know?
Mir_Vimes
Posted 9/21/2008 7:52:31 PM
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i mean, i'm about to go to bed, and i'd like to know what you know about hex editors and programming (what i know is self-taught, so my terminology and explanations are cumbersome) and emulators before i spend another half-hour trying to explain everything i know and think i know about rom hacking to someone who probably already knows most of it.
Mir_Vimes
Posted 9/21/2008 7:54:57 PM
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god i sound like a douche.......

so yeah. just tell me what you know about rom hacking, emulators, and hex editors, and we'll go from there.
bybyr
Posted 9/21/2008 9:19:42 PM
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so basically, how do I use them? I have my own hex editor, and should I open a certain file of saga frontier in the disc and modify them to enable the cheat? I'm not experienced about this, but I think I get the basic, though I dont understant how you guys find the actual adress of these binaries and what do you do with them.
Mir_Vimes
Posted 9/22/2008 11:25:32 AM
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all this stuff is for save states for the pSX emulator (*.psv). i looked in the actual rom (*.bin/*.cue format) and they are in there, but everything is compressed so it's all split up.

i found the equipment bytes by using the count function in a hex editor to determine which item's attack/defense was rarest (therefore less time consuming to find), and when i determined that was LivingArmor's defense of 26, i went through the save state and changed every 26 i found into a 25. i would then save the savestate under a different name, open it with the emulator, and check the LivingArmor's defense. if it was unchanged, i would move on to the next 26, and if it was buggy, i would change the byte back to it's original value. (hint: F4 is the keyboard shortcut on xvi32 to replace the next value.) if i somehow screwed up my save state, i'd just load the original one and start over. (keep records of how far you are. i didn't my first time, which is why it took almost 8 hours)

anyways, let's say you think the Knife sucks, and you want to make it stronger. First you open up your save state in a hex editor, then you go to the following address:

29b56

when you get here, you should see that there 07 is the present value of the byte. change it to... 63. then save the save state (under a different name, like TEST.psv), then open it with your emulator. check out your Knife. Try it out, then come back and tell me what happened.

here's what helped me get started...

http://www.fantasyanime.com/garden/savestatehacking.htm

good luck, and i want to hear how you're doing. keep me posted.
bybyr
Posted 9/23/2008 12:17:01 AM
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sounds interesting, I will check it out then, thanks for the simple tutorial, I thought it was more complicated ^__^

I will post here once I have some progress, havent played SF for quite time, this is might be good chance to play again
Eroneous_Waylay
Posted 9/24/2008 8:20:13 AM
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And I thank YOU, Mir_Vimes, for sharing your plethora ov informativismics with our little communitah. ^_^

I would also like to take this moment to thank the college networking staff for taking weeks to do a 2-day (at most!) job. Dunno if they had to order new routers to be built in Siberia and shipped out on Bactrian camel caravans or what.. >.,.,.<
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Mir_Vimes
Posted 9/24/2008 1:38:22 PM
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this is bothering me... ew, is your quote from a terry pratchett book?
Eroneous_Waylay
Posted 9/24/2008 3:49:25 PM
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-Blinks- About not having a witty quip? I don't think I was aware of any Terry Pratchett. I just didn't have anything interesting* to use for a signature.

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The_Masamune
Posted 9/24/2008 3:52:48 PM
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Only the good die young. Most people are morally ambiguous, which explains our random dying patterns.

Quote, Waylay.
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Eroneous_Waylay
Posted 9/25/2008 4:02:55 AM
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I think I got that one from MST3k's Crow. ^^
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