Insane Clown Posse Doesn't Care If You Hate Them

Underneath their violent, foul-mouthed misogyny, the members of Insane Clown Posse have a soft side. Or maybe not.

Without the benefit of MTV or mainstream radio play, the Insane Clown Posse built its million-plus fan base the old-fashioned way: by grassroots promotion (via its Psychopathic imprint), relentless touring, and giving the fans exactly what they want. None of the group's seven previous releases do the latter better than its latest, dual offerings, Bizzar and Bizaar, two albums packed with ultra-violent rhymes and sinister beats, topped with a (un)healthy dose of sick and twisted humor. ICP's homicidal homies, Violent J and Shaggy 2 Dope, postponed adding another chapter to their infamous fictional saga of the Dark Carnival (as their last five albums had done) and instead use Bizzar/Bizaar's combined 24 tracks to boast about themselves and their fans while lashing out at women, rivals, the media, and anything else that gets in their way. Despite never once compromising its ill-willed integrity for the mainstream, ICP chose a reworked cover of the track-tested 1986 pop hit "Let's Go All the Way" by Sly Fox as its first single, though the duo doubt it will do much to lift the broadcast media's unofficial ban.

With its Wicked Clown makeup and foul-mouthed raps about murder, evil spirits, and an inability to get laid (not to mention an involvement with pro wrestling), it's easy to find reasons to hate the Insane Clown Posse. But unlike fellow Detroit hell-raiser Eminem, whose abusive haranguing is ubiquitous, ICP's carnival of curse words has mostly been confined to the underground realm of horror-rap. To even confront the group's disturbing diatribes requires some digging, and ICP will be the first to warn you about what you may find.


On your two latest albums, Bizaar and Bizzar, the most glaring distinction is that both titles are spelled wrong. Why is that?

Violent J: People often ask me why is each album title spelled wrong, as far as Bizaar and Bizzar. But I say to that person, spelled wrong according to who? Webster? Who is Webster? Simply one man with an opinion, and he wrote it as a fact in his stupid book, Webster's Dictionary. I say "Bizaar" [Bizzar?] is spelled the way I spelled them. And both "Bizaars" have two different meanings. One "Bizaar" means it's weird, and the other "Bizzar" means it's strange.

So we spell it exactly how we want to spell it. I protest. I don't think either one is spelled wrong. For anybody that thinks we spelled "bizarre" wrong, I say, "Frick you."

Shaggy 2 Dope: Not me. I just say, "Fuck you."

Why did you release the two records separately, instead of together as a double album?

Violent J: The reason we have two records is because this time the music was really easy to make because we didn't try to reach any new audiences. Every album we try to expand, we try to be more musically, or we try to be more rap, or we try to be more rock, or whatever angle we're going for. Well, this time we said, "Let's just give the Juggalos what they want." The Juggalos are the people that follow ICP. And we just gave 'em a fat dose of it.

We had so much to let out this time that we did it in two albums. Plus, we're trying to get out of our contract with Island Records, all right? By us releasing two separate albums instead of the "double album," which would count as one album, it's two more off the contract, right?

What is it about Bizaar and Bizzar that the true Juggalos are really going to like?

Violent J: The thing Juggalos, our longtime fans, will like about Bizaar/Bizzar is it's fat-packed full of the shit they already love. Which is the humor, the comedy, the raw raunchiness … We said, "OK, they like this song in the past, so let's make something similar to that." Or, "They thought it was really funny when we picked on blah, blah, blah on the last record, so let's make a whole song about it this time." We made it and crafted an album for the fans we already have. If you [didn't] like ICP in the past, believe me, you still won't after this album. This album ain't gonna change your mind no way.

You recently returned from L.A., where you filmed two videos. Can you tell us anything about them?

Violent J: We just returned from Los Angeles, where we filmed two music videos. One for a song called "Let's Go All the Way" that's off the Bizzar album, and another video we did was for a song called "Tilt-A-Whirl"…

Shaggy: … which is on Bizaar.

Violent J: Both videos were directed by, uh …

Shaggy: This one director guy …

Violent J: A director. And he directed them. We were in the videos. As usual, the people on the video shoot, the girls and everything, weren't giving up no ass -- 'cause they never do. We shot a whole movie for three months and didn't get laid once by anybody in the crew.

Were you happy with the way the videos turned out?

Violent J: Let me give you the real dirt. Both the videos we just did, they basically suck. Why do both the videos we just shot suck? Because they have to fit the format of MTV. And why is that? MTV's not gonna play our videos 'cause they never do anyway. They haven't played our videos in five years. Five years? That's only as long as we've been making videos. They've never played our videos in the history of videos. So every year this record company makes us shoot videos by not me and Shaggy's ideas, but by MTV's standards. You know, you can't do this, and you can't do that, according to MTV's standards, and they never play the video anyway. So do we personally like the two videos? No. Are they good songs? Yes.

Shaggy: We've never made one video that we really liked.

Violent J: Never.

What would have you done differently?

Violent J: Well, actually I could say this. Out of all the videos we've done, "Let's Go All the Way" is the closest we've come to us being happy. I'd say "Let's Go All the Way" is the closest we've come to a video we want. Because the song "Let's Go All the Way" is about Shangri-La; it's about heaven. And it shows green people, blue people, black people, white people, everybody dancing together. And it shows Nation of Islam and skinheads dancing together in the video, and that's pretty cool.

Your previous albums haven't fared too well critically. Do you think the new records will change anyone's opinions of ICP?

Violent J: When you're in our business, you stop [respecting] opinions. We've done a concert and had 2,000 people chant every word to our songs, and have such a good time they were crying. And then we'd pick up the morning paper [the next day] and read a review of our concert, and read about how much it sucked. And how much we don't have talent. In other words, there was some idiot there who thought he was right and the other 2,000 people were wrong. And he thought, "Well, they suck compared to the Rolling Stones," or whatever. And he just went ahead and printed it as fact in his little newspaper.

A good critic is the kind of critic who can go there to watch the people. See what I'm sayin'. A good critic will watch the reactions in a movie theater of the general masses, then write his opinion of it. For example, USA Today, a widely respected newspaper, [called] our last album, The Amazing Jeckel Brothers, the worst album of 1999. Now the guy who reviewed our album probably also reviewed Sting's last album and Barbara Mandrell's and …

Shaggy: … the Kentucky Headhunters …

Violent J: … the Kentucky Headhunters and Barbra Streisand. Then he called [our album] the worst album of 1999, even though that album has sold 800,000 copies -- with no radio play and no MTV. So what is selling those records? Word of mouth. That means, "Hey yo, this CD is so bomb."

Shaggy: "Word?"

Violent J: "Word." Word of mouth. He buys the CD. Obviously, it can't suck if people are getting that excited. We could sell 800,000 of a CD that got no radio play and no MTV, and you're gonna go ahead and print in your newspaper that it was the worst album? Obviously, it wasn't the worst to the 800,000 people who bought it. That were turned on to it simply by word of mouth. Am I now speaking facts, or am I just an idiot?

Did they ask me and Shaggy to review Garth Brooks' new album? No, because I wouldn't know good country from bad country. I'll tell you that the greatest country artist of all time sucked, 'cause I don't know about country. But who should review Garth Brooks' last album? A Garth Brooks fan. Ask a Juggalo what he thinks of our new album, not some idiot who just finished doing Barbra Streisand's album.

Critics aside, the rest of the music industry doesn't seem to like you too much.

Shaggy: You noticed, huh?

Violent J: Why is Insane Clown Posse the most hated band in the world?

Shaggy: Why? Because we're the guy in the passenger side of our best friend's ride tryin' to holler at that chick, you know what I'm sayin'?

Violent J: We're scrubs. Straight up. Both me and this kid both. Our entire lives have had an aura about us that says we're scrubs … There's something about our faces people hate. Even hiding it in paint, we are scrubs. Listen to this, they used to tell me, "Man, you guys could sell some records if you would just take that face paint off. If you just stop wearing that stupid face paint, you guys could maybe sell some records and get somewhere." Now they say, "The only reason you sell records is because of that face paint. If you took the face paint off, you wouldn't sell nothing." There's always a reason to hate us.

And to the other bands out there, I know you guys are hated, too. But I challenge any band [to be] as hated as us. I challenge any review that slams harder than the reviews on us slam. There's not a band that's as hated as us. You know, Fred Durst from Limp Bizkit lately has been calling Limp Bizkit the most hated band in the world. Come on. You better shut the fuck up. I'll straight up slap his red hat off his fuckin' head if he somehow considers Limp Bizkit the most hated band in the world.

A lot of people dislike you because of your lyrics, which they see as violent, misogynistic, and downright sickening.

Violent J:Let me just explain this about our lyrics and about being the most hated band in the world … We only have explaining to do when we step outside of our world … You don't see us on package tours, you don't see us on [the Family Values tour]. You don't see us on MTV; you don't hear us on the radio, but yet everybody wants to pick on us.

Let me ask you a question. When are you exposed to ICP and our trash, and our filth unless you're looking for it? When did you ever have to sit through one of our concerts while you're waiting for somebody [else] to come on? Never. The only show we've ever done with other bands was Woodstock ['99]. Other than that we always headline our own tours. It's always us. So the only way you see us is if you're there to see us. We are filthy, we are horrible, our music is trashy as hell, but you never have to see it unless you're looking for it. That's why I don't understand why we're so damn hated. We never cram ourselves down anybody's throat.