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Wednesday, 26 October 2005
Does United Future Dislike the Greens (Part 3: Summary)
Topic: The Greens
In summary, the centre oppose the Greens because:
- The Greens pursue ideology far over what is practical
- They are totally willing to force their views on other people, including curtailing their rights
- They are not concerned enough about the hardship they may cause to New Zealanders, including the economic cost of their policies to people’s businesses and livelihoods.
The “dislike” of the Greens comes largely out of these policy disagreements.

Thus the reason the Centre parties, NZ First and United Future, insisted on the Greens being kept out of coalition is because of policy, not emotion. And I say, GREAT!
If Labour, Jim and the Greens had gotten 50.8% of the vote they would not have hesitated to use their power to force radical economic and social changes over the heads of the rest of the country – right and left – using backroom deals to force the numbers. Now, with a Centre-Left (not extreme-Left) government the Greens can still contribute their ideas, but they will have to pass the tests of reason and practicality. And I think that is the good news of this election.


Posted by folk/persistenz at 1:42 PM NZD
Updated: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 1:44 PM NZD
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Does United Future Dislike the Greens (part 2)
Topic: The Greens
The Centre Under Siege

To summarise my previous entry, I basically said that to talk about “like” and “dislike” is not really relevant in politics. It is of small importance to forming a government: see for example how little love there is between Winston Peters and the Labour-Jim coalition. The important thing is whether parties can reasonably cooperate.
Nonetheless it is still clear that both United Future and New Zealand First did dislike the Greens and wrote about them with venom - as much or more than the right did. And both NZFirst and UF insisted they would not support a government with the Greens in the Executive (in coalition with Labour). So why? Why so unbending?

Who are the Centre?
I am not a political scientist, and so can’t claim to speak with any authority other than my own feelings as a person who would claim to be centrist. On that (perhaps flimsy) basis I will express my opinion. I feel there are three aspects of centrism.

The Pragmatic
I believe is that the political centre reflects people who often don’t have strong political ideologies but are simply pragmatic - and focussed on things that work. By contrast the left and right always have an ideology to fall back on (saves thinking!). The left always err on the side of bigger government – get the government to do it for you – with as much emphasis on government control as it does on the genial face of supporting the have-nots (the so-called nanny state). A typical example of nanny state is that Labour would only give child-care support to those working mothers who have their children in publicly-owned (to a large extent state-controlled) centres, rather than the support being based on the needs of the family or indeed the availability of resources. On the other hand the right always err on the side of private enterprise and competition – no matter how inefficient and socially destructive that might be. The nonsense of forcing hospitals, schools and universities to adopt a competitive business model (“survival of the fittest”, also known as “red in tooth and claw”) is a classic example.

Slow the pendulum
Both left and right want to change society and remake it in the image of their ideology. And given enough time in government they would just keep going, and going, and going, and they would never know when to stop except that the voters eventually put the brakes on. With our previous first-past-the-post system and unicameral parliament the Prime Minister had almost unfettered power. So we had massive swings of the political pendulum. The centre, on the other hand, says that both sides of parliament are sometimes right(!)– but also both sides are sometimes nuts when they let ideology overcome common sense. With MMP, centre parties have the opportunity to damp the pendulum swings and keep either party from dragging the country too far to left or right.

The Socially Conservative
“If it isn’t broken don’t fix it!” As well as wanting solutions that work (not ideological) the centre voters understand how things are, how they used to be, and want only incremental improvement for the future. They don’t want to “throw the baby out with the bathwater”. In terms of social policy they are very happy with traditional kiwi family values – supporting the structure of mum, dad and the kids. They see no need to try to force mothers back into the workforce (as feminists would have it), but support them caring for their own children rather than farming them out to others. For those outside the traditional kiwi lifestyle – greenies, socialists, Maori radicals, feminists, prostitutes, gays and lesbians, solo mums, those who lead non-traditional lives – they generally have a “live and let live” philosophy: you don’t bother me and I won’t bother you. I don’t know any United Future people who attack gays or prostitutes or solo mums or people of other race – though there may be some in NZ First who verbally attack the latter. Certainly there are nutters out there, but they are not representative of any party. All the centrist voters I know are content to let people get on with their lives, and live with their own choices.

Rebuffing the Seige
However greenies, Maori radicals, and those with non-traditional sexual lifestyles, are no longer prepared to accept ‘live and let live’ as a response. They demand positive affirmation and may attack anyone who does not take them seriously. The Greens in particular not only promote their views but are determined to enforce their views if possible – and it is this that gets up the nose of the centre. The centre feel their own lives and attitudes are under siege from idealists who refuse to leave them alone.
* The Greens not only want to encourage the use of public transport and bicycles (good), but push it by restricting the road network and generally making life hellish for the motorist (bad). The centre promotes choice.
* The Greens not only speak in support of Maori (good), but in the name of ‘partnership’ want to force (bad) Maori authority and Maori language onto non-Maori. The centre is not willing to surrender authority over to idealists.
* The Greens want to restrict human access to natural resources and parks – I am not sure for whose benefit!? The centre keep practical human needs as the focus.
* The Greens want to raise the taxes working New Zealanders pay in order to support more people who choose a non-working lifestyle. The centre supports help for those who truly need it, but expect others to support themselves.
* The Greens want to decriminalise Cannabis and promote failed ‘harm minimisation’ policies with regard to other drugs – policies that have failed elsewhere. They are not concerned enough to protect society from the risks.
* The actual wording in Sue Bradford’s bill will make criminals of any parent who smacks a child as part of their discipline strategy – despite the fact that she keeps saying over and over that the bill will not do that. What she appears to mean is that most parents will not actually be convicted and sent to jail, but to the centre that is not good enough. To people with a strong sense of ethics it is not acceptable to be labelled a criminal and a child-abuser at all, just because they have different child-rearing philosophies to the Greens.
* The centre want people to be able to decide for themselves what they think of various sexual practices, and not have other people’s views and practices thrust in front of their faces and taught to their children, young and old.
* The Greens believe in restricting the rights of New Zealanders to trade and travel to overseas countries whenever it disagrees with Green philosophy. The recent attempt by NZ Greens to actually encourage Australia to continue their ban on NZ apples, to the hurt of New Zealanders and in the total absence of any scientific evidence of risk to Australia, is an example.

Posted by folk/persistenz at 1:40 PM NZD
Updated: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 1:44 PM NZD
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Friday, 21 October 2005
Does United Future Dislike the Greens?
Topic: The Greens
A work colleague asked me the other day “Why does United Future dislike the Greens so much?”

I admit I didn’t answer her question at the time. But it got me thinking. And this is not the first time someone has asked me something similar. So how could I answer?

Emotion or Policy?
I was somewhat floored by the question, because it hadn’t occurred to me to describe the Greens on an simple emotional basis as “like or “dislike”. But on reflection I must admit antipathy – dislike – though I had thought of it in terms of policy and competition rather than emotion. So why?

Paint me friendly
In a sense no political party really likes any other party: if they did they would join them! And if you consider the ability to work with other parties and even join with them as some measure of cooperativeness, then United Future would be the most cooperative party in New Zealand’s history. So it’s not as if United Future are unfriendly. So why the perception?

Solidarity forever?
Parties of the left appear to be very good at hiding their differences for public consumption. In public they paper over disputes and deep policy divides with the odd kiss on the cheek, while getting their knives out and doing their hard bargaining behind closed doors. That’s the socialist way. Parties on the centre-right, being more individualistic, are much more likely to argue publicly and speak their minds openly and aggressively, especially about the left. It would have suited the Greens to have United Future align itself with the left, or at least say it was willing to work with them. But it didn’t suit United Future. As a centre party, UF needed to differentiate itself from Labour and the political left. At the same time UF had to be able to pull Labour towards the centre and away from the extreme left where much Green support resides. So tactically it made sense to attack the Greens vigorously.

The ‘dislike’ question suits the Greens
It suits the Greens to appear reasonable and conciliatory, and to simplify political lines-in-the-sand down to mere ‘like’ and ‘dislike’, and they did this during the election. It suited the Greens to paint the other side as being unreasonable and unwilling to compromise. It suited them to if you paint someone as emotionally biased then you can ignore their policy arguments. And the Greens avoided having to make clear how much of their own precious principles they would be willing to compromise, with the subsequent risk of alienating their own supporters.

‘Like’ doesn’t come into it
It may also be that my questioners didn’t attend political meetings, or pay attention to statements from people they weren’t going to vote for. I attended three local political forums leading up to the election. My lasting impression was that all the candidates from all the parties came across as being good people. All the candidates appeared to be very reasonable when presenting their policies – even those who expressed diametrically opposite views each seemed to make sense at the time. I think I could have ‘liked’ almost all of them and I was sorry to see some of them miss out on parliamentary seats even though I voted for a different candidate. So ‘liking’ doesn't really come into it, in terms of who one can work with.

Next time: The Centre Under Siege

Posted by folk/persistenz at 4:52 PM NZD
Updated: Friday, 21 October 2005 4:56 PM NZD
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Tuesday, 4 October 2005
Why the name Persistenz ?
Mood:  a-ok
Topic: Introduction
Remember the story Jesus told about a judge who neither feared God nor respected people, but a widow kept coming to him day after day saying "Give me justice against my adversary"? The judge said to himself "Though I don't care about God or people I will give her what she wants so that she doesn't wear me out with her coming".

Perhaps this a model for Christian political thinkers, lobbyists, activists, politicians and lawmakers: let's use persistence in New Zealand.

Posted by folk/persistenz at 11:26 AM NZD
Updated: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 1:46 PM NZD
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Monday, 3 October 2005
A Blog of Views on New Zealand Politics
Mood:  a-ok
Topic: Introduction

Welcome, everyone

This blog was set up as a place for expression of my personal political views in New Zealand. 

I originally intended it to be an open blog but now it appears that blogging is the only way the ordinary New Zealander can lawfaully publish his or her own thoughts without falling foul of this anti-democratic "electoral finance act" and having to jump through restrictive government hoops simply to express one's opinion.

For the record my original intention (in October 2005, just after the last election) was that it might
(1) encourage New Zealand Christians to persist in lobbying politicians - both local and central government
(2) encouraging New Zealand Christians to become more personally involved in their communities (whether you call that politics or not!)
(3) encouraging reconciliation and constructive political dialogue among Christians. Why this blog, here and now?
Most Political Parties appear to have a well-organised websites pushing their official policies and candidates in the election were sometimes instructed to stick to the party line. As a consequence there was not really a forum in which some deeply-felt political views could be discussed. I hope this will be such a forum.

If anyone wants to submit opinions to be placed on this blog, please do not abuse others or use offensive language. As site owner I must also absolutely forbid slander, libel or defamatory comments. If you see any such comments posted, please contact me immediately and I will attempt to remove them.


Posted by folk/persistenz at 12:24 PM NZD
Updated: Thursday, 28 February 2008 10:26 PM NZT
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