Federal Tax Refunds for Prisoners?
THE DEBATE


Hi, Heidi.  I can use this to link to your site from the outofstate area of MTWT
http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/outofstate.html
probably on the CA resource page would be best (which I haven't even begun yet.  Is this info what you'd want me to use?

Heidi Jones
lwop1981@yahoo.com

Owner, CDC Information Network

http://www.vip-cali.com/CDCINFO/default.htm

or
http://go.to/cdcinfo

Kay Lee
Making The Walls  Transparent

http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/starke

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Hi Kay:-)
Long time no see! Sure wish you were still in California:-( Of course it's ok wherever you want to add the info.

The CDC Information Network website has been updated to include information about Federal Tax Refunds for prisoners and Early Release of some prisoners in California.

The only thing I ask is that the link will be to the main website address, which is http://go.to//cdcinfo   Otherwise people can't get to any other page from just that page.  It would help!

Much love,
Heidi

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Hello K. This is a subject I haven't heard discussed before. May I share this info with others, maybe post it somewhere on MTWT? I think families will be very interested. 

Kay Lee
Making The Walls  Transparent

http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/starke 

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Hi Kay Lee,

You helped me out alot back a few years ago and also at PTO.  You are more than welcome to use what ever you want.  Leaving out the Name and E-mail address would be great!

Also, I have read where on an old post someone mentioned an Inmate received $700 back in 2001 and $1400 in 2002.  This cannot be correct because I looked at the Charts and the most that anyone would be able to get back would be $364 for the year 2001 with an income of $4,750 to $5,950.  $376.00 for the year 2002 with an income of $4,900 to $6,150. 

I think what they might have meant is that they EARNED $700 in 2001 and $1400 in 2002, which means in 2001 he received back $55.00 and in 2002 he received back $105.00.

Very important that they file these correctly or else they can be charged for fraud.  My son told me about this last year and it wasn't worth it to me at that time to get any money back.  But, I might try now just for the Heck of it!  He would not be eligible for the year of 2001 because he was 24. 

Thanks Gals for all you do!  I heard that Monday HOT NEWS about Calif. Prison system will have a BIG ANNOUNCEMENT!  Can't wait!  I hope it snowballs to your neck of the woods Kay Lee!

Much Love
K
Huntington Beach, CA

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From: KV
To: prup@yahoogroups.com; california_families@yahoogroups.com; facts1@yahoogroups.com
Cc: prisonersofdavis@aol.com
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003
Subject: Federal Tax Refunds for prisoners

I read the section [at http://go.to/cdcinfo ] about Federal Tax Refund and found out some more information that would be of VERY IMPORTANT FACTS:

In 2001 Tax year a person to qualify must be between the age of 25 to 65 years.

In 2002 Tax year the Inmate is allowed with instructions:

http://www..unclefed.com/Tax-Help/HTML/p596-4.html#T41

Special Instructions for Clergy, Prison Inmates, and Deferred Compensation Plans

Use the following special instructions if one of the following situations applies to you.

Inmates.   If you were an inmate in a penal institution and the total on line 7 (Form 1040 or Form 1040A) or line 1 (Form 1040EZ) includes an amount paid to you for work you performed while an inmate, print PRI and the amount paid on the dotted line next to line 7 (Form 1040), in the space to the left of line 7 (Form 1040A), or in the space to the right of the words W-2 form(s) on line 1 (Form 1040EZ).

BUT, in 2003 Tax Year they state this:
http://www.unclefed.com/IRS-Forms/2003/fw5_03.pdf

WHO IS ELIGIBLE TO GET ADVANCE EIC PAYMENTS?

You are eligible to get advance EIC payments if all three of the following apply.

1. You expect to have at least one qualifying child. If you do not expect to have a qualifying child, you may still be eligible for the EIC, but you cannot receive advance EIC payments. See Who Is a Qualifying Child? on page 2.


2. You expect that your 2003 earned income and AGI will each be less than $29,666 ($30,666 if you expect to file a joint return for 2003). Include your spouse’s income if you plan to file a joint return.


As used on this form, earned income does not include amounts inmates in penal institutions are paid for their work, amounts received as a pension or annuity from a nonqualified deferred compensation plan or a nongovernmental section 457 plan, or nontaxable earned income.

3. You expect to be able to claim the EIC for 2003. To find out if you may be able to claim the EIC, answer the questions on page 2.

One more thing I must add about this subject. I have read where on an old post someone mentioned an Inmate received $700 back in 2001 and $1400 in 2002.  This can not be correct because I looked at the Charts and the most that anyone would be able to get back would be $364.00 for the year 2001 with an income of $4,750 to $5,950.  $376.00 for the year 2002 with an income of $4,900 to $6,150. 

I think what they might have meant is that they EARNED $700 in 2001 and $1400 in 2002, which means in 2001 he received back $55.00 and in 2002 he received back $105.00.

Very important that they file these correctly or else they can be charged for fraud.  My son told me about this last year and it wasn't worth it to me at that time to get any money back.  But, I might try now just for the Heck of it!  He would NOT be eligible for the year of 2001 because he was 24. 

K

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I can't vouch for that, K, because I never did a return for a prisoner, I've always done them for my friends though.

The person who told me about the refund check said her daughter received the check for the incarcerated son and she was very sure about the amount. She had seen the check with her own eyes.

He did not complete his own 1040 form, the IRS did it for him. So even if they made a mistake, he would not be held liable and charged with fraud. The worst scenario would be that he has to pay them back.

The way it's explained on the website, one would have to figure the amount of earnings by multiplying the hours worked by the minimum wage and deducting 15%.  ($6.75 x 1860 hrs per year (average) equals $12,285 minus 15% ($1842.75) equals $10,442.25).

Since all of the person's earnings are kept by the government, he would receive a hefty refund, which would be the difference between the tax amount he's obligated to pay and the amount that went to the government. So I can see why the refunds for prisoners would be much higher then the average person's with such little income.

The trick is to let the IRS do the figuring of the refund. Not the inmate!

Heidi

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Thanks Heidi!  I am going to try this for my son and see what Happens!  (VBG) Will let you know how it turns out!

What did you think about the Revision that was added for the year of 2003 stating Inmates EIC:  "earned income does not include amounts inmates in penal institutions are paid for their work"

I bet 2002 was a Hell of a Year for the Feds, when inmates started to file for EIC.

Love
K

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Re: Federal Tax Refunds for prisoners

Hi, does this only pertain to those that are working in prisons that pay min wage??? Since my husband has been down for 23 years this would truly be a blessing as he and I could truly use the income, it boggles the mind when a inmate works all the time he has served this is a big amount of income that he has earned.Let me know o.k.? Rita

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This pertains to all prisoners who get paid for working while incarcerated. All states! It doesn't matter what they get paid, as long as they get paid something! Just make sure you're using the minimum wage of your State when you figure it out.

And no...I don't know The Minimum Wage of Every State    :-)

 
Heidi

MORE ON THE DEBATE ON INMATES & FEDERAL TAXES

Form 4852 has to be used because the inmate does not have a W2 form....its a substitution form... All I know is Jimmy had to have this attached to his 1040EZ along with his letter stating he is a inmate...here is the form...

(http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/starke/F4852.pdf)

Hi Heidi,

OKAY, after checking around I found this for 2000 from the IRS:

http://dcfs.co.la.ca.us/Board/Internal_Revenue_Notice1015.doc.

How Do My Employees Claim the EIC?

Eligible employees claim the EIC on their 2000 tax return. Even employees who have no tax withheld from their pay or owe no tax can claim the EIC and get a refund, but they must file a tax return to do so. For example, if an employee has no tax withheld in 2000 and owes no tax but is eligible for a credit of $797, he or she must file a 2000 tax return to get the $797 refund.

Earned income for this purpose does not include amounts paid to inmates in penal institutions for their work.

Ok.  I need to make sure I'm understanding this correctly.  For about the past two years my husband has been working for Unicor at the USP in Terre Haute.  You're saying that he is eligible to file a tax refund for this income?  Do they take federal taxes out of this pay?

Prior to him working for Unicor he had held other jobs within the institution as well.  If this is true then where do you get the documentation stating his total earned income for the year (w-2)?

Should a joint return be filed (or amended) or should a separate return be filed for him alone?

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/n797.pdf

Who May Claim the EIC

You may be able to claim the EIC for 2002 if you worked
and all three of the following conditions apply. But you
cannot claim the EIC if you file either Form 2555 or Form
2555-EZ (relating to foreign earned income). You also
cannot claim the EIC if you are a nonresident alien for any
part of 2002 unless you are married to a U.S. citizen or
resident and elect to be taxed as a resident alien for the
entire year. (Continued on back.)

1. Your 2002 earned income and adjusted gross income
are both under $29,201 ($30,201 if married filing jointly) if
you have one qualifying child; under $33,178 ($34,178 if
married filing jointly) if you have more than one qualifying
child; under $11,060 ($12,060 if married filing jointly) if you
do not have a qualifying child.

Note: Earned income for this purpose does not include
amounts paid to inmates in penal institutions for their work
and amounts received as a pension or annuity from a
nonqualified deferred compensation plan, a
nongovernmental section 457 plan, or nontaxable earned
income. To find out who is a qualifying child, see the
back of this notice.
2. Your filing status is any status except married filing a
separate return.
3. You, and your spouse if filing a joint return, were not
a qualifying child of another person.
If you do not have a qualifying child, you must also
meet these conditions.
 You, or your spouse if filing a joint return, were at least
age 25 but under age 65 at the end of 2002.
 You, and your spouse if filing a joint return, cannot be
claimed as a dependent on someone else’s 2002 tax return.

If eligible, you can claim the EIC to get a refund even if
you have no tax withheld from your pay or owe no tax. For
example, if you had no tax withheld in 2002 and owe no
tax but are eligible for a credit of $791, you must file a
2002 return to get the $791 refund.

EIC with your pay.

If you expect to have a qualifying child
and be eligible to claim the EIC for 2003, you may be able to get part of it in advance with your pay. For details, get Form W-5, Earned Income Credit Advance Payment Certificate, from your employer, by calling the IRS at
1-800-829-3676, or from the IRS Web Site at
www.irs.gov.

If you get the EIC with your pay, you must file a 2003 tax return.

How To Claim the EIC

If you are eligible, claim the EIC on your 2002 tax return. If you have a qualifying child, you must also fill in Schedule EIC and attach it to your return.

I am sorry to say this was announced in May of 2003!  I am only on 3 Yahoo Groups for Prisoners, so can you please forward this to other Groups besides PRUP, California_Families and Facts1.

When it is to good to be true, I always try to find out if it really is true!  If you want to read the whole article, then check out the URL:

http://www.larrycalloway.com/column.html?_recordnum=23

Subsequent sessions of the legislature embellished Boyle's idea with other rebates, including a medical rebate, available to almost all New Mexicans who filed income taxes. Eventually, however, the legislature took back the rebates, claiming to consolidate them, and created the scaled down low-income comprehensive tax rebate (LICTR).

The Attorney General's announced investigation into prisoners and others filing for the credit, which is available as a payment whether you owe taxes or not, could be the last straw of corruption and bureaucratic mishandling, spelling its doom.

AND I ALSO FOUND THIS:

Prisoner Filed False Tax Returns

On March 20, 2002, in Greenville, NC, Walter Randolph Williams, III, was sentenced to 34 months in prison followed by one year supervised release and ordered to pay restitution to the IRS in the amount of $22,117.79.  On December 17, 2001, Williams pled guilty to aiding and abetting in the preparation of false federal tax returns.

While serving a prison sentence on filing false North Carolina state tax returns, Williams prepared approximately 20 false federal income tax returns on behalf of fellow prison inmates.

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Inmates have absolutely no rights to an "income tax refund" based on prison or UNICOR wages.  No, tax, no withholding, no W-2s, no refunds.  Plain and simple: prison and UNICOR income is NOT considered wages.

Inmates - especially those without income - have no obligation to file tax returns while incarcerated.  If they choose to do so, especially fraudulent returns, scrutiny should not be unexpected.

Howard O. Kieffer
Federal Defense Associates
714-836-6031 x 250
Facsimile 714-543-5890
http://www.guiltyornot.com
hkieffer@dcounsel.com

We concur with this undisputed fact.
National Judicial Review

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CORRECTIONS BREAKS INCOMETAX FRAUD RING

The California Department of Corrections (CDC) today announced it has broken a large inmate conspiracy to defraud the Internal Revenue Service (IRS).

"I want to give credit to our professional staff who uncovered this criminal activity last November, and worked diligently and professionally to identify those responsible," said CDC Director James H. Gomez. "We are working actively with federal investigators to have the inmates and their crime partners outside the prison charged and prosecuted."

Twenty five (25) inmates at the California Men's Colony (CMC) at San Luis Obispo have been identified as suspects. Six are charged with organizing the conspiracy to defraud the government. Nineteen (19) are being charged with filing one or more fraudulent Federal Income Tax returns.

Inmates filed phony income tax returns and with help from friends and relatives outside of the prison cashed refund checks and divided the money. A total of 48 fraudulent tax returns claiming $122,000 in refunds has been traced to the inmates by the IRS. About $44,000 is believed to have been paid by IRS.

The conspiracy was uncovered in November by CMC prison investigators. To avoid jeopardizing a joint investigation with the Internal Revenue Service Criminal Investigations Unit, no action was taken against inmate suspects until this week. This week 25 inmate suspects were rounded up at the prison and confined to cells away from the rest of the prison population.

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Thank you for that research.

However, it is legal to file a FEDERAL INCOME TAX RETURN while incarcerated. We already established that. What is not legal is fraudulent returns, or claiming the EIC.

The article you found is at least 8 years old. I remember when it happened. These prisoners filed fraudulent returns with information that was totally made up. I hope that people will be able to make the distinction between filing for regular tax refunds and filing for the EIC (Earned Income Credit). Only regular tax refunds are legal if the only income received during the tax year was income as a prisoner. EIC is not.

I hope that explained it a little better:-)  
Heidi Jones

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