we could just dissect Outside (pun slightly intended) lol seen even Outside is still a bit of an enigma for me... or rather Presume i can watch and learn then, DA.... wraped on a mystery hehehe.....I love the idea of a hypercycle though ok...when are u putting it on? you know how Bowie writes most of his songs right on it's way.....trying to find it ok...almost started lemme get my liner notes and lyrics out too....one sec started alright....mines on too ok...delayed started now alright let's see.....leon takes us outside......interseting to note a few of the dates mentioned here all i know for sure is I am a drugged out floozy having a mid life crises hehe MLK day and stuff half the dates are from the story.....others are historical birthdays...assasinations...and religious holidays alright....outside then fades in seamlessly this beginning bit sounds so Spanish and like a bullfight is about to start it happens today I always thought I'm Deranged sounded kinda Spanish the damage today my gf has suggested that Outside is something of an overture.....merely setting the tone for the whole story the self-referential mentions of music would tend to agree with that i know he went to several mental institutions getting into this "the crazed in the hot-zone" being our lovely characters Funny he would do that considering he never visited his brother when he was alive or even went to the funeral just makes me think..."the music is outside" is about a person in an institution it is that too as well RaM.....I think there's a double meaning to every line in that okay.....HFL my song It could very well be but I would tend to think that Bowie didn't do the visiting here's where we learn that Adler apparently has something going for Ramona apparently whatever Candi...he had madness run in his family and it is one of his fears something BIG for RaM oh yeah gimme it! although we maintain one reference to the greater scheme of thinks.....asking "Paddy....who's been wearing Miranda's clothes" Ahh . I don't think he should fear it because he actually has an outlet for all his internal madness with little explanation of who Miranda is Miranda? another suspect... something in our skies.... that's my viewpoint James....but she doesn't popup anywhere else....mabye well see her in 2.Contamination something in our blood related? the most important lyrics are the ones sung to Paddy in the end Oh Paddy...can you hear me? I think I've lost my way.....I'm already five years older....I'm already in my grave" who is saying that tho? "a fantastic death abyss"......is he reffering to the art made of Baby Grace's body.....or someone's suicide? ok guys...there's debate raging in Room 303, Richardson Towers South...Did Jimi Hendrix ever sleep with another man? prolly Grace's murder, Brian I don't know RaM.....it's of couse supposed to be Nathan according to the lyric sheet....but it could easily be Ramona too i dunno GJ....he was drugged out most of the time, so it is possible the abyss part bugs me not that I know of GJ....but as RaM said....you never can tell on the drugs A Small Plot of Land, sung by the citizens of Oxford Town lol...cool it's about Jean Micheal Basquiat! seems to be a song about Leon to me....but I could be wrong Michel? sp? Leon seems to get all the bad blame here Leon's guilty, of course Leon is the poor soul? I interpret it that way....but I could be horribly wrong in fact I've given thought to Leon reciting those dates at the beginning in either an asylum or a prison cell hmmm...that is why i cannot get it...u have to visit madness to get it hey....i've been there before Leon went to prison, but I suspect it was a prior conviction...getting towards Have Not Been, though yeah....we'll get there when we get there it's important to remember that these songs are most likely horribly out of order they are so "Leon Takes Us Outside" could be the babblings of a madman at the end of the story for all we know he escaped? Hmmm we'll get there later.....he was let out i believe.....he's a minor criminal.....no killer what do the liner notes say on him....lemme check Leon Blank: Male. Mixed Race. 22 Years. Three convictions for petty theft, appropriation, and plariarism without a liscense. certainly a minor criminal alright....Baby Grace's segue a ritualistic murder.. test, test, testing sounds like more madness or drug-induced madness this segue really bothers me.....she's so druged out she's almost lost all connection with reality truly Hallo Spaceboy, sung by Paddy something is going to be heard...then Hallo Spaceboy starts interesting that paddy gets a voice on one of the most powerful tracks.....'specially since he/she is a minor character everywhere else heard??? I always thought it was horrid! I think it's heard james the funny thing about Hallo Spaceboy is that it really says nothing about the story at all I thought she was making a premonition u gotta live in England to hear the accents here... How do we know HS was sung by Paddy? maybe it is Baby Grace singing it...or about her says so in the liner notes and on the official site James liner notes? I'm holding them and don't see it... you're right...that's the only one that doesn't say it besides Outside but on the official site that's who they credited it to okay...I believe you i still think it is about a drug-induced craze my lil bro has taken this song to imply that Grace and Paddy might have met before the murder....or mabye Paddy is merely interpretting more that was said that we didn't hear in the seque moondust will cover u seGue more memories that were unlocked after the fact just a typo James The Motel, sung by Leon Blank ok The Motel safety zone..love that after this point the liner notes become more and more illegible.....except for Architect's Eyes Stranger's is ok too a voyage into madness *** Bewlay (~svenn@xxxxxxxx.iu.hioslo.no) has left #Bowie he's talking aobut living "down here".....in small plot they talked about "the tunnels" which helps to reinforce my opinion that Small Plot is about Leon there is no hell, like an old hell ahh...this is the prison song the old hell=prison lights out boys is said by prison guards what is it that falls upon deaf ears? my bro suggested that since Leon has a previous conviction of plagarism....we might not be able to take every thing he says as his.....a stupid idea for the most part...but something to remember happened well before album...maybe leon's most recent stay in the clink he mentions Deafness a few times in the course of Outside....seems to be a reccuring theme "The Motel" = prison? yeah or an asylum? a prison is very similar to a motel prison if it's earlier....but it could be an a asylum if it's after the fact he's to coherent though....I'm with James on thinking an earlier prison stay Leon wasn't in an asylum before the album...it would have said so in the comp Adler used yeah....I'm saying after the murder James.....I have this idea that Leon ended up being shipped the the looney farm after the "crisp, crisp machete" incident Oxford Town... I Have Not, sung by Leon Blank (and I'd assume a few others) for the finger points at me..? basically this is Leon's alibi....or attempt at one who is singing this Leon he honestly can't remember being there and the prison...something, ... jsut because he can't remember it doesn't mean it didn't happen I think the chorus might also be the citizens of Oxford Town again oh i get it DA he ties Ramona into it to....."If I had not met Ramona" "this is your shadow on my wall".....he knows he's innocent he took the fall for someone Leon says "but I have not been to Oxfordtown"... or he doesn't remember the incident he is proclaiming his innocence "if I had not ripped the fabric".....the machete incident will come up later......that's what everyone thinks makes him guilty....but it's not oh, DA, the criss, criss machete deal I think was a recurring act...not a one time thing 20th century guise kinda a circus or street show act I doubt it James well get to that later agreed although that happened earlier.....aren't hyper-cycles fun :) and of course he's back in gaol in this one No Control, Sung by Adler No Control...delve into madness again dies or guise? *** Pineapple (~KB@xxxxxxxx.well.ihug.co.nz) has joined #Bowie dies according to the official site James hello again :) ok *** Pineapple (~KB@xxxxxxxx.well.ihug.co.nz) has left #Bowie Adler doesn't seem to sing about the story much does he? sounded like guise to me just then...hmm more about himself and his random thoughts maybe it's his frustration with solving the case? i think so James....and his own personal involvment in it he wants order in a chaotic world I think Nate thinks Ram's guilty (at least at this point) but he still has a thing for her "forbidden words, the deafen me".....mentioning deafness again "the web we weave" comes into play with that In memories, I've no control See how a sinful man Burn his tracks, his bloody robes could this be about Leon? *** Bewlay (~svenn@xxxxxxxx.iu.hioslo.no) has joined #Bowie certainly I suspect....but the lack of control over memories kinda strikes a chord hi Bew... I=a NO CONTROL! I can't believe I've no control It's all deranged Touchshriek's segue i think it is just Adler trying to make sense of the case I've always loved those three lines like that i love the crickets...later so creepy * Bewlay hits his lagging server with a baseball bat Touchshriek could be giving his testimony He's more outta it than Grace was, I think true gj Touchshriek: Male. Caucasian. 78 years. Owner of a small establishment on Rail Yard. Oxford Town, NJ. Deals in art-drugs and DNA prints. Fense for all apparitions of any medium. Harmless, lonely. yeah....this is Adler questioning him the art-drugs tie him to Baby Grace.....although Ramona got her hooked on them i dream of somefing like 'at... I say Voyeur, sung by the Artist/Minotaur got her hooked on them or forced them on her? it's not too clear James....could've gone either way ture they Artist/Minotaur of course is the murder in his own right.....although we don't know for sure who he is true, rather either the murderer...or a key accomplice (I believe the former) turn and turn again? the screw..? one of the two....but regardless he/she can speak to us in secret sounds right to me, RaM the screw of justice....Nate's getting closer to him but "the reeking flesh is as romantic as hell" shows that he really likes it....making him quite possibly the murder himself no...he/she is the voyeur they watched the murder perhaps a voyeur watches...that's right good call RAM! an accomplice but is he/she refering to themselves....or another in that line? THe Voyuer...I shake "reasearch has pierced all extremes of my sex....call it a day" Needle-point life Blinds the will to be next i dunno DA...just giving me gut reaction, really this is the first time I have analyzed this research...might Ramoana have been experimenting on Grace (that's what I thought) question.....this suggest to me that at one time someone might have WANTED to be 'next' if u want my first impression, i think Ramona is singing it or Miranda I WAS RaMOANa A Deacon RaM's segue, I Am with Name.....sung by you know who ok my segue I spatter from deeply felt age and ...i hate the funny coloured english Miranda's a good call mabye James.....she's the one who we never see anywhere else midlife crisis...need a change in life I was just being a dick there with Miranda, DA she hates the english...i find that amusing hehehehe....I know...I was getting your hopes up from the last line of the diary we learn who Grace could be and how Ram could've captured her Ram could have still been the voyuer tho For clarity, I'm gonna call Cora "Cora" and the album woman "Ram," ok? woah.....hang on one second If Ram had Grace for 14 years and then had that mid life crisis, why not start experimenting? pump her full of drugs and run various experiments the culmination of which would be having someone drain her fluids and then have whatever fun he wanted with the gir; why would she wait that long to kill her tho? i still say she was the voyeur gir; = girl liked her until the midlife crisis, Cora ok wishful beginnings....i have no clue on this one now to the song I sometimes hate and sometimes love sounds like the attic door opening.. wishful beginnings, sung by the artist/minotaur sorry little girl this is the killer.... this is the one that makes me think the artist is the murderer never thought of it that one Well, the artist could be calling the shots from two feet away, too well true....but the fact of the matter is...the artist/minotaur is the mastermind....regardless of who actually did the deed agreed 100% this is definitely the killer like the director of a porn I'm no longer your golden boy there you go...last breath of Grace attaching a masculine term to himself there we had wishful beginnings...lived unbearable lives but I think that can be disregarded really Ram loved Grace but had to get rid of her because she couldn't continue to hide her nah...this is a guy and this is the killer can't just say "look, I've had a duaghter for 14 years that doesn't look like me at all that I'm just now telling you about" this is sung....i think.....almost right after the murder....if not immediately after How do we know it'a guy? I'm no longer your golden boy during the murder, hon boy...hmmm the golden boy thing, gj Oscar de la Hoya is the golden boy ok what is We Prick U...torture? suggesting Baby Grace looked up to him We Prick You, To be sung by members of the Court of Justice this is a trial sequence or interrogattion "we wish you'd tell" "tell the truth" although I think half of these lines are actually sung by the person or people involved in said trials/interrogations sung to whom and when, though? the screwing is sung by the interrogatee ok i see it....something about innocence was said earlier... after the murder....and I think it might be several people actually although it mainly appears to be our buddy Leon again....in my opinion dripping on the end of a gun?? yeah...he took the fall black toys = bullets???? Daniel's such a cute guy i dunno..little boy shoes? shoes, shoes, little white shoes ok Touchshriek... Nathan Adler....segue one What the hell's a shoulder surfer? or soyfer? oh yeah..oops Leon's freaking out waiting for midnight James......the millenium I'm Deranged, sung by the Artist/Minotaur gets up on stage though...not past tense or one completed action Dick Laronte is dead I can't help but think of Lost Highway when I hear this song now LOL cruise = the car going down the road secret = death of Laronte am I even close on the spelling of Laronte? close enough for me....my script isn't handy yeah....it fits in really well with Lost Highway....but seems kinda sketchy in the setting of the Adler diaries Well, this is sung by Leon at Midnight...freaking out that would make him the artist then James so it would maybe there's a couple of them and by the way....Leon jumps on stage....but I don't think he was the one who was supposed to be ON the stage....as if he were in the audience or something but he's excited about having his show...so he jumps in your liner...who is the dude tied up with fish on him? no......i'm pretty sure we've got one artist......especially due to the repitition of "i'm deranged" here and in another song The the C Edge, Cora it's all deranged...from No Control a bowie with Ramona like hair......labeled as an "acolyte" it's not outta the realm of possibilities that Adler is the Minotaur..."the web we weave" could be from there is it an acolyte? Then where is the Edge? Thru these Architect's eyes, sung by our buddy Leon Phillip Johnson and Bridget Rogers...give some history, Cora! and why are fish tied to him? b/c it looks cool, Cora who's the guy in the picture across from Algeria....the one with the lip ring "Hid in the Golem is the gold..." something stinks in denmark he's 70, DA yeah GJ...Golem eggs is in Goodbye Mr Ed we've had this discussion before, Cora :) Well, folks Gotta go and work yes Bew? bye! busy morning bye Bewlay! Bye :-) *** Bewlay (~svenn@xxxxxxxx.iu.hioslo.no) has left #Bowie yes we have james 70(s), blood, NITSCH, -ritualsblood, Burden NITSCH is an anagram for Snitch so it is... hmmm nathan adler, part deux Ram giving Leon the kiss off "when she broke if off with leon.....the ring was enough" Bye people his face? Leon's or otherwise? bye Candi! *** Candi (~Candi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx.bctel.ca) has left #Bowie the inferior Strangers alright....strangers when we meet, sung by Leon by leon? could this be Leon covering his favorite song of an early ninties album? ok SWWM...this song is too cool likely, DA so says the offical site James....although the liner doesn't say it *** Fiona has quit IRC (Leaving) understood...although I always assumed Nathen all my violence, raining tears upon the sheets tho.. Nathan I honestly think the entire idea for Outside might have come out of this song could be included just on that fact we scavenge up our clothes...they were doing it man! sorry...i am getting dippy... yep Ram....this song has some serious sexual overtones 4 am does that 4 am and where is Daniel? that is why i inferred it in my short story, DA... shall we do another album after this.....or head to bed? bed for me..u make my head spin, babeh time for BTWN becuase Buddha is too hard oh ! u have to see that series to get it, gj nah....let's not go chronological....let's so some old shit Ziggy anyone? agreed...but where does one get the series in the US? no thanks, DA...too overdone ummm...Suncoast Motion Picture in the mall has it on tape yeah i think it is just now coming available here nah....Ziggy's bad anyway....never liked it much We don't have a suncoast in Memphis... i watched some of it when I lived in England I'll look around for it thoguh but first, what did we decide about #1 Outside? if Suncoast has it any decent video store should if there's never another album in the series, who would you say killed Grace? let's just do it character by character and give our impressions as to their involvment first: The Cutting Edge! to me, whoever sang wishful beg is the killer and ramona was the voyuer essentially, Cora, but Ram was calling the shots Leon was just a simple fall guy....who happened to go wacko at the wrong time and wrong place Ramona possibly drugged him to go wacko maybe initially she was, but i don't believe she did it she was involved and should rot in prison (no offense) Ramona might have come up with the idea and someone else took it too far too far? nah lol but I doubt it.....Ramona should be headed straight for the prison cell or asylum