From: Joseph Wheeler - Ship Builder
( The following part of the interview takes place
just prior to the 57 minute mark )
…before I sign off there's one other
thing I didn't tell you about the 15
western states. The United States are on
a plane that floats on the Pacific Ocean
and naval submarines can go under those
15 states anywhere around into those 15
states.
…I found it out
completely by accident… driving back
and forth between Las Vegas and Reno.
Halfway between is a little town called
Hawthorne and there's hardly anything
there.
There's a Navy base called the
Naval under sea training center. They
have a little lake there it's 15 miles
long (and) deep… what I found out
is they have an elevator that goes down
from the surface at Hawthorne down 3,400
feet to the level of a Pacific Ocean, and
they have three or four entrances on the
Pacific coast.
One of them is at Monterey
Bay. One of them is (near/below) Malibu and
they can just take their submarines, go in
and go anywhere under these 15 states, like
Lake Tahoe (which) is one of the place they
can go.
Pyramid Lake is one of the place.
There's probably 15 or 20. They can go
To that Navy base, Norfolk or Edwards
Air Force Base. They're all over the place
but it's a really interesting operation
and very few people know about it.
Now the reason they picked on Thorne
Is because Hawthorne has traditionally
been the place (of) a novela expert
specific weapons and ammunition for
submarines
…and before they found out
about this Pacific Ocean underlying 15
other states they had to put north to
Alameda or south to San Diego, and in
addition to these they have the Navy
high-speed tubes that can take maybe
personnel or any other personnel all
around the world in minutes, and this was
not built by us. This was built (by) a
prior civilization…
There have been (ancient civilizations) far
more advanced… and that's why you
find complete cities like it off the
coast of Japan, under the Sahara Desert,
complete cities that aren't used anymore
and we're just in the middle of making
another city there, but all that has been
going on.
Okay very good as someone wants to
know about the Dulce whistleblower
Thomas Costello. They want to know if
he survived. (Do) you know anything
about that?
No I don't think so. I was the one that
originally got caught up in that. I (was)
there (at a meeting) for researchers in
1988 that met up in… Colorado and
during that meeting Tom Adams from
Texas came up to me and says,
John I got this letter and I wondered if
you'd handle it… see I just don't
have the time and I'm not going to get
to Las Vegas, so he gave me the letter
that was written DM by Jerry Ankle.
Jerry Ankle was who I called Mr. X. There
Was no Mr. X. It was Cherry, and when I
got this letter when I got back from the
conference there… I met with her in
Henderson and she told me about Thomas
Castello, and she showed me some
of the drawings and the photos that
he had made, and I was just talking about
that today… with somebody on the
Facebook, and I was the one that originally
Wrote the Dulce papers and the information I
got was from Cherry, whose friend worked
as a security guard there.
Now when he decided to escape and get
out of there because he didn't like the things
that were going on, he made six packets
of information. Each packet held 25
black-and-white photos, six minutes of
videotape of a hallway (that) went up
and down the… and 100 pages of
information, and he took six packets of
those and put them in (waterproof)
containers (and mailed them) to 26 of
his friends, and he said I'm gonna
contact you every four months and let
you know I'm okay, but if they find me (he
said) I won't be able to maintain contact
(with) you
If I miss (if she didn’t hear from him in)
eight months, you can do whatever
you want with that information.
So in 1996 he missed two meetings and
I'm not sure exactly how it happened,
but I think Cherry either led, or was
involved in, three of the exhibition's…
that she had been given, and he had (?)
between Kingman and… Las Vegas.
She actually drove me there when i first
Learned about it this. (It) would have been
in (the year) 1988, she drove me there and
showed me approximately where…
Now in 1996 I was busy flying (his Lear
jet, invented by his father William Lear),
so I didn't get a chance to look for it,
but I know the guys that were there and
they put on a good search, but they
never did find it, and none of the other
packages were found either, but yes…
the Dulce story is true. I went there in
1988 and (Gabe) Valdez was the head of
the Highway Patrol there, and I called him
up.
I said… Mr. Valdez, you don't know me. My
name is… he said, I know who you are John,
you came here 20 years ago with Dean
Martin. You know when Dean Martin was
filming a movie here, and you brought
his girlfriend… from Van Nuys (in) the
Learjet. I was the one that met you there.
So anyway I told (of) my interest in that
Dulce (base) and the other stuff what was
Going on, and… he invited me to drive with
him on his nightly tour, and we left… at 10
o'clock and didn't return till 6 o'clock in the
morning, and it was such an interesting
time and I kept close contact with Gabe
Valdes until he passed away a couple
years ago, so yes, Thomas Castello is a
real guy. I never met him but I certainly
was familiar with the information he
gave to Cherry ( Cherry Hinkle? )
and I was the one that wrote the
Dulce papers and I was the one
that drew the pictures that are in the…
Papers. Now those pictures Cherry
drew in pencil from the photos that
Thomas showed her.
I was the one that took those pencil
drawings and we did them with
a felt-tip pen so, they were easier
to see, and the information on the
front of the Dulce papers is easy to
prove that it's mine because it was
typed on an IBM executive typewriter
that about in 1955 (I) always had with
me. It's one of the very few that are still
operating or were operating at that time,
and the speed that's the type basis
used there and the IBM executive
was the first typewriter to use proposed
proportional spacing, and so… I can
prove that page one of the Dulce papers
was mine.
Okay, was that who's Branton mentioned?
Yeah, he's the one that live(s) in
Utah that wrote the Branton files…
which gave me so much information.
I don't know how he got that much
information, but if anybody can get it, I
think you (can go) there on the web. I
have a binder here, a three inch binder,
just full of the Branton files which were
tremendously informative and and
interesting.
Yeah you know they've been wrapped
into a book (published by) by a
television producer named Robert Tisk.
They're on the front page of my website
https://www.facebook.com/realjohnlear/
https://www.facebook.com/JohnOlsenLear
https://www.facebook.com/groups/146014615297/
if anyone wants to buy his books there's
three of them, at least three of them,
excellent information. He just compiled
all the information you could find… yeah,
it's amazing… the information, yeah
excellent stuff.
Well, I don't want to keep you too long,
you've been a really, you know, very very
good trooper sticking with us here John…
