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From: Jeff Renkin <jrnkin@hotmail.com>
Organization: http://www.jj.com
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave
Subject: Re: Morse code
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> > In addition, Switzerland, Belgium, the UK, Germany, Norway, the
> > Netherlands, Austria, New Zealand and Australia have moved to drop their
> > Morse requirements.
> >
>
> So what? If all these countires jumped off bridges would that mean we
> would be nuts for not jump too?

No, that is something that the US would do, and the other countries would not
follow. They did not jump off bridges, they eliminated a ridiculous
requirement. We should have shown how much better we are than they are by have
been the FIRST country to drop it.

> What these counties do are their own
> business and who wants to be put in the same class as Germany anyway!

They were smart enough to know there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and
not get involved in wasting billions of dollars a month on war. Instead they use
that money to provide health care for their citizens. I sure wish we WERE in the
same class as them in many ways, one of them being smart enough to eliminate a
retarded requirement. The US military dropped it, why are civilians being made to
keep it?

> > Yet the USA will surely be the last to join the rest of the world in doing what
> > is obvious to everyone else.
>
> Oh I hope not, I hope the USA never joins the rest of the world. We
> don't need a 80, 40, 20, and 15 meter CB bands.

That so much makes no sense on so many different areas. First of all, these bands
ARE for the citizens, thus they ARE citizen band now. Second of all, the only
thing that makes 6 meters and above any different from the 11 meter CB band is NOT
morse code, because there is no morse code requirement now. (idiot THINK!) It
is the call sign requirement which keeps people from being anonymous which makes the
difference, not morse code.

> God forbid that we have
> something happen here far worse than 9/11 which renders Voice
> communications useless and we need to go back to basices.

Basics as long as voice is used, since most of the population does not know morse
code. The president or emergency broadcast system (now EAS) will NOT be using
morse code to talk to the public ever, no matter what the emergency.

Cops, Ambulance, Fire, none of them learn or use morse code, and they work more with
emergencies than anyone else. No one at homeland security is learning morse code.

> After all its
> a lot easier to build a CW rig than a voice rig in the event of a
> national emergency.

A crystal receiving set is even easier yet, so you can listen to emergency
broadcasts. Build a CW rig and who the hell are you going to talk to? Who is
going to UNDERSTAND your message? Certainly not the American public, your
neighbors, police, fire, red cross, etc., etc.

> Once you stop teaching/learning the basics then
> you'll gradully become a less educated national. Just look at workers
> in McDonalds, when the computer quits working they can't make sales.....

And neither will they ever understand your morse code messages that you will be
sending. Those bastards don't even understand ENGLISH so they will just all have
to die. Not a big loss there.

Do some research on the past hurricane, tornado, 9/11 emergencies we have had where
hams have assisted in providing communications. Morse Code is never used, it is
always voice.

Police cars, Ambulances, Fire trucks, do not have morse code keys in them, they have
microphones and speakers. Try using your morse code radio to call them for help
and they will never understand or come to help you. I will call in plain English
and receive assistance.

Live and learn.



From: Jeff Renkin <jrnkin@hotmail.com>
Organization: http://www.jj.com
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave
Subject: Re: Morse code
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> >Oh I hope not, I hope the USA never joins the rest of the world. We
> >don't need a 80, 40, 20, and 15 meter CB bands. God forbid that we have
> >something happen here far worse than 9/11 which renders Voice
> >communications useless and we need to go back to basices.
>
> Like terrorists stab everyone who has a radio transmitter in the throat with a pen,
> or even worse? Perhaps a laryngitis epidemic?

Or don't forget the time you will be stranded at the north pole with nothing in sight for miles but a phone booth
with a telephone where the microphone is missing and you have to use the touch tone pad to send a message in morse
code with! I love that one. Always some sort of ridiculous situation that would never happen to try and come
up with an instance where morse code could somehow be used. But then don't forget when you use that phone, the
operator, police, or whoever you call will not understand morse code, and that is the most important point everyone
on that demented side keeps forgetting.

The Emergency Broadcast System never sent messages or tests in morse code, but English voice. The public would
never understand it otherwise.

Commercials and spam are always in plain English so the message can reach as many people as possible, not be
limited to the two people who know morse code. Note how only idiots post binaries on newsgroups in yenc, but
spammers don't, because they want EVERYONE to be able to decode and view the spam, not just two people.

> > After all its a lot easier to build a CW rig than a voice rig in the event of a
> >national emergency.
>
> That is why I have a 50,000 volt spark gap rig in storage. LOL\

In a national emergency, people are not suddenly going to understand morse code, so that would be worthless unless
you want to try and communicate with some 80 year old ham radio operator that is a hundred miles away. I would
rather reach some emergency agency personnel that are not going to know morse code, but spent time learning
important stuff instead that will now be useful in an emergency.

> > Once you stop teaching/learning the basics then
> >you'll gradully become a less educated national. Just look at workers
> >in McDonalds, when the computer quits working they can't make sales.....
>
> Well, considering McDonalds isn't set up for paper & pen transactions I would
> say that is understandable. How does your ebay business do when your computer
> takes a shit?

In an emergency, McDonalds, Ebay and Morse Code will be the last things anyone is going to worry about.




From: Jeff Renkin <jrnkin@hotmail.com>
Organization: http://www.jj.com
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave
Subject: Re: Morse code
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> ^ (1) what will you say after 6 months or a year, and the
> ^ nations you listed have seen no such degredation in band
> ^ quality after dropping the code requirement?
>
> What is their population compared to the U.S.?

What does that have to do with anything? Is this the "big bully approach"
again? The US will eventually drop the requirement like EVERY country on this
planet, the point is why the US always has to be so behind the times and the LAST
one to figure out how to do it. We should have been the great example to the
world and been the FIRST one to drop it, not the last.

> Do those other countries have
> the trouble on the 11 meter band that the U.S. has?

What trouble? That it is all nothing but Mexicans with illegal amplifiers
anymore? What does morse code or having to get a license or use call signs
have to do with that?

> If the code requirement is unnecessary then what about the electronics
> knowledge requirement?

If you are going to build and set up high power transmitters, you had better know
the requirements needed to operate the equipment. If you are going to use a
microphone, then you have better know how to speak too. But needing to know
morse code before you are allowed to use a microphone on HF is like adding a
Russian speaking requirement before you are allowed to drive a car on a US road.

You still need to know the rules of the road, but you don't need to take a test
to show morse code before you drive a car either.

> Is it necessary to know how a transistor functions in
> order to operate a two-meter radio?

No, that is not needed. What is needed is to know about antenna systems,
interference issues, band plans, laws, and anything else needed to know before
setting up and operating a ham radio transmitter setup. No we don't get
tested on how a car engine works before getting a driver's license, so we don't
need to be tested on how a transistor works before being allowed to use a
radio. That is as ridiculous as having to know morse code before being allowed
to use a microphone.

If you want to use morse code on ham radio, then you should be required to learn
how to use morse code first. Those not wishing to ever use morse code do not
need to learn it, just as we don't all learn Chinese before we can post on
newsgroups in English.

> Should the exam be nothing more than a test of the FCC rules?

Think WHY one has to be tested on the things we are tested before being allowed
to get behind a car and be on the road with other drivers. Now apply that to
getting a license before being allowed to use a radio that could cause harm to
others if it is not operated properly.

> But it isn't forced and it isn't involuntary. An Amateur license is something
> that is voluntarily sought.

Same with a driver's license. So let's make a morse code requirement for that
too then?




From: Jeff Renkin <jrnkin@hotmail.com>
Organization: http://www.jj.com
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave
Subject: Re: Morse code
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> Pretty close. Some of the other digital modes are narrower but as you
> state, you need more hardware such as a computer. In addition each of the
> other digital modes has its own unique set of advantages and disadvantages
> in on air operation.

The biggest disadvantage would be narrowing down the percentage of people on
the other end that would be able to decipher your emergency message.

If you are calling for help, you want as many people on the receiving end of
your transmission to be able to UNDERSTAND your message as possible.

The emergency broadcast system (now the EAS) works on English Voice, NOT with
morse code. And it is designed to be used in an emergency. Same with
police, fire and ambulance radios.

Imagine the president addressing the public with a morse code key. Might as
well talk to a wall.




From: Jeff Renkin <jrnkin@hotmail.com>
Organization: http://www.jj.com
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave
Subject: Re: Morse code
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> Mommy, Mommy, make that mean 'ol FCC man give me a license.... Mommy, I cain't learn the code, I have ADD... Mommy,

I would love to see you cry to your mommy when you can't get your driver's license when you turn 16 because they may add a
requirement that you have to learn Russian first as a requirement to drive a car.

> On and on it goes, there are those who can, and those who can't. Next you'll be bitching about the requirements to get
> into medical school... to stringent for ya? Too bad.

If morse code was a requirement to get into medical school, then yes, so would everyone. (except for insane ham radio
operators without common sense reasoning abilities)




From: Jeff Renkin <jrnkin@hotmail.com>
Organization: http://www.jj.com
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave
Subject: Re: Morse code
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> It's been my experience that those who whine the most about the code requirement are
> those who just won't take the time to learn it. Excuses, excuses....

Funny, but most people I hear complaining about the requirement already learned and passed
the morse code test and are General and Extra license holders.

I wish that the next time you wanted to fill your car up with gas, you had to waste time
learning Chinese first or no gas for your car. If you whined about it, we would all laugh
at you, call you lazy for not taking the time to learn Chinese.

Please don't be stupid. Stop, read COMPREHEND what you are reading and THINK about things
before you start making statements that make no sense.




From: Jeff Renkin <jrnkin@hotmail.com>
Organization: http://www.jj.com
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave
Subject: Re: Morse code
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> > Funny, but most people I hear complaining about the requirement already
> learned and passed
> > the morse code test and are General and Extra license holders.
> >
>
> Strange. That flies in the face of all the available surveys. The General
> and higher class operators heavily favor keeping it.

Surveys are never accurate with reality. That is just how unemployed mall
rats who actually talk to telemarketer and clip board survey takers feel.

Of the 15 - 20 ham friends I have, we are all Generals and Extras and ALL
against the morse code requirement. Half of us also hold the GROL commercial
licenses with radar endorsement.

If you know of anyone who is a General or Extra who is for keeping the
requirement, that is because they feel that since they had to do it, everyone
else should have to too. A very childish and selfish emotional reason that is
not based on logic or common sense.

Everyone I know had to take the code test, but we still have sense to know it
was wrong and understood it was only because of the stupid world agreement that
we had to endure it. Now that that excuse no longer applies, everyone is
dropping it. So will the US, but they always have to go through their long
drawn out political ways to make a simple decision take months and years to
finally get something done, even when it is as simple as this. Look how
FAST other governments were able to drop this. Very impressive!

Hey, our ancestors had to own slaves and not allow blacks to use the same rest
rooms and water fountains as whites, so everyone else should have to continue
by those requirements too, right? When we dropped the slavery thing, that
was because people were too lazy to beat slaves and now the world is like
citizens band because we don't have slavery in the US anymore, right?

Yeah, we all had to take the stupid code test. And most of us ended up
forgetting it right after the test because we never used it. We never
intended to use it, but we wanted to use microphones on HF frequencies, so we
had to learn it because of a world agreement. The military dropped code
because there was no world agreement forcing them to keep an outdated
antiquated worthless mode. (the microphone and speaker were since invented,
thus we have telephones in our homes and not telegraphs)

Well, the world finally agreed that the code requirement is silly and dropped
it. But now each country has to do the paperwork to drop it from their
respective country's law books and it is a quick process in efficiently run
countries, but will take months and years in governments like the one in the
USA.

In case you are too slow mentally to realize it, the debates here now are no
longer about if we should keep or drop the requirement, that debate is now over
for good. The new argument is why it is taking the US government so long to
change the wording and text in our laws to reflect the change.

Keeping the requirement when no other country in the world has the requirement
would be even more idiotic than the whole requirement was in the first
place! Surely if you sit and think about that for a while you can see
something as obvious as this.

Then again, you don't even know what the argument is about. You still
think it is about if or not to have the requirement still. It is about the
slowness of the US to change the text of the law.

Obviously it is fact that the requirement will be dropped in the US and every
country in the world (it already has been) it is just a matter of watching
how fast or slow each country's government can rewrite a law if they put effort
into it.

Look how fast the US government could act to change the name of french fries to
freedom fries. They can do it for silly things, why not when it comes to
serious issues?

Billions every month for war against a country that didn't have any WMD just
like they kept saying they didn't, yet not one dollar available for health care
and now more US citizens are without health care and insurance than ever
before.

Yet, knowing and learning morse code is your priority in life. How pathetic.

The last time I used morse code, was decades ago when I had to pass the test at
the FCC field offices a long time ago, never used it once after that. Talk
about lazy, YOU probably only had to receive and recognize a few words and
select a multiple choice answer. We didn't have it that easy, but we don't
start whining that all of you should have to do it the hard way just because we
had to, we realize it is a silly and ridiculous requirement and NO one should
have to take it unless they intend to USE morse code on the bands.

In the later case, even those using 2-meters should have to learn it if they
intend to use it there.
Only makes sense. Something many of you know nothing about.



From: Jeff Renkin <jrnkin@hotmail.com>
Organization: http://www.jj.com
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave
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> > The biggest disadvantage would be narrowing down the percentage of people
> on
> > the other end that would be able to decipher your emergency message.
> >
> > If you are calling for help, you want as many people on the receiving end
> of
> > your transmission to be able to UNDERSTAND your message as possible.
> >
> > The emergency broadcast system (now the EAS) works on English Voice, NOT
> with
> > morse code. And it is designed to be used in an emergency. Same
> with
> > police, fire and ambulance radios.
> >
> > Imagine the president addressing the public with a morse code key.
> Might as
> > well talk to a wall.
> >
> >
>
> In emergencies hams are NOT broadcasting to the public.

In an emergency anyone is broadcasting to ANYONE that is listening. If you
think a ham or anyone else in an emergency is not going to want a non-ham to
help, or will refuse to deal with a non-ham you are crazy.

In an emergency you can even use frequencies and radios at your access that you
would not normally be licensed to operate on. We are talking about
EMERGENCIES here. No time to waste playing morse code or taking the time to
pound out a cry for help one letter at a time in a mode that only ends up
sounding like silly beeps to most of the people listening on the other end that
would otherwise be hearing your cry for help.

Next time you are stranded in your car and need a tow, why don't you call on
your cell phone and punch our your problem in morse code with the touch tone pad
and see how fast you are able to get any assistance. Your call for assistance
will be taken as a prank phone call and they will hang up on you and you will
remain stranded until you decide to talk into the microphone so that someone can
hear and understand your message.

Common sense folks. You can pretend to say otherwise here on this newsgroup,
but when the real emergency arises, the last thing on your mind will be playing
with morse code! Then see how fast you can use a microphone and your voice!

> They are using
> their skills to pass messages from the public and emergency services to the
> public and emergency services via the ham network. No has to be able to
> understand the message while it is in transit except the hams.

MOST hams don't understand morse code either! The no-code tech class has
outnumbered the other license classes for years, and those that did learn the
code only did so to pass the test and many never used it after the test. (like
myself and all my ham friends)

Send code to us and it will be nothing more than beep beep beep beep. I
remember SOS and the letter R for some reason (probably since most repeaters end
with R on their id) but that won't tell me where you are or what the problem
is. Unless you talk to us, you can consider yourself dead in an emergency.

> Thus hams
> can and will use any means at their disposal appropriate to the situation,
> that includes voice,

It sure does.



From: Jeff Renkin <jrenkin@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Morse code
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> > > > Funny, but most people I hear complaining about the requirement already
> > > learned and passed
> > > > the morse code test and are General and Extra license holders.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Strange. That flies in the face of all the available surveys. The General
> > > and higher class operators heavily favor keeping it.
> >
> > Surveys are never accurate with reality. That is just how unemployed mall
> > rats who actually talk to telemarketer and clip board survey takers feel.
> >
> > Of the 15 - 20 ham friends I have, we are all Generals
>
> Are you a General or Extra? I don't see a Jeff Renkin or a Jeffrey Renkin listed at
> QRZ. What is your call OM?

Gee, how did I know not to use my real name because some wacko like you would be
looking me up on QRZ to get my address and whatnot. Why were you trying to look me
up? So you could put me on all sorts of mailing lists or come visit my house and
throw eggs at it? Grow up!

We may be forced to give out our callsigns on the ham frequencies but anyone that does
it here is just asking for trouble. Might just as well post your real email
addresses here too while you are at it so you can get lots of spam.

Now instead of trying to find my address so you can pull your pranks, why not read the
rest and learn....

> > and Extras and ALL
> > against the morse code requirement. Half of us also hold the GROL commercial
> > licenses with radar endorsement.
> >
> > If you know of anyone who is a General or Extra who is for keeping the
> > requirement, that is because they feel that since they had to do it, everyone
> > else should have to too. A very childish and selfish emotional reason that is
> > not based on logic or common sense.
> >
> > Everyone I know had to take the code test, but we still have sense to know it
> > was wrong and understood it was only because of the stupid world agreement that
> > we had to endure it. Now that that excuse no longer applies, everyone is
> > dropping it. So will the US, but they always have to go through their long
> > drawn out political ways to make a simple decision take months and years to
> > finally get something done, even when it is as simple as this. Look how
> > FAST other governments were able to drop this. Very impressive!
> >
> > Hey, our ancestors had to own slaves and not allow blacks to use the same rest
> > rooms and water fountains as whites, so everyone else should have to continue
> > by those requirements too, right? When we dropped the slavery thing, that
> > was because people were too lazy to beat slaves and now the world is like
> > citizens band because we don't have slavery in the US anymore, right?
> >
> > Yeah, we all had to take the stupid code test. And most of us ended up
> > forgetting it right after the test because we never used it. We never
> > intended to use it, but we wanted to use microphones on HF frequencies, so we
> > had to learn it because of a world agreement. The military dropped code
> > because there was no world agreement forcing them to keep an outdated
> > antiquated worthless mode. (the microphone and speaker were since invented,
> > thus we have telephones in our homes and not telegraphs)
> >
> > Well, the world finally agreed that the code requirement is silly and dropped
> > it. But now each country has to do the paperwork to drop it from their
> > respective country's law books and it is a quick process in efficiently run
> > countries, but will take months and years in governments like the one in the
> > USA.
> >
> > In case you are too slow mentally to realize it, the debates here now are no
> > longer about if we should keep or drop the requirement, that debate is now over
> > for good. The new argument is why it is taking the US government so long to
> > change the wording and text in our laws to reflect the change.
> >
> > Keeping the requirement when no other country in the world has the requirement
> > would be even more idiotic than the whole requirement was in the first
> > place! Surely if you sit and think about that for a while you can see
> > something as obvious as this.
> >
> > Then again, you don't even know what the argument is about. You still
> > think it is about if or not to have the requirement still. It is about the
> > slowness of the US to change the text of the law.
> >
> > Obviously it is fact that the requirement will be dropped in the US and every
> > country in the world (it already has been) it is just a matter of watching
> > how fast or slow each country's government can rewrite a law if they put effort
> > into it.
> >
> > Look how fast the US government could act to change the name of french fries to
> > freedom fries. They can do it for silly things, why not when it comes to
> > serious issues?
> >
> > Billions every month for war against a country that didn't have any WMD just
> > like they kept saying they didn't, yet not one dollar available for health care
> > and now more US citizens are without health care and insurance than ever
> > before.
> >
> > Yet, knowing and learning morse code is your priority in life. How pathetic.
> >
> > The last time I used morse code, was decades ago when I had to pass the test at
> > the FCC field offices a long time ago, never used it once after that. Talk
> > about lazy, YOU probably only had to receive and recognize a few words and
> > select a multiple choice answer. We didn't have it that easy, but we don't
> > start whining that all of you should have to do it the hard way just because we
> > had to, we realize it is a silly and ridiculous requirement and NO one should
> > have to take it unless they intend to USE morse code on the bands.
> >
> > In the later case, even those using 2-meters should have to learn it if they
> > intend to use it there.
> > Only makes sense. Something many of you know nothing about.



From: Jeff Renkin <jrenkin@hotmail.com>
Organization: http://www
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> > In the later case, even those using 2-meters should have to learn it if
> they
> > intend to use it there.
> > Only makes sense. Something many of you know nothing about.
> >
>
> Since Morse code is used in the HF bands and you need to pass the code test
> to get the license to work the HF bands, it seems to make sense to me.

Morse Code is also used on 6 meters and above! But you don't have to pass a
code test to use them. See?

If it makes sense to you that you need to learn morse code before you are
allowed to talk into a microphone on HF, then we know all we need to know about
you.

Q. Why do we not need to learn morse code on 6 meters and above to talk into
a microphone, and why did we need to learn morse code to talk into a mic below
6 meters?

A. International Law.

But now that International Law has dropped the requirement, you no longer need
to "learn how to ride a horse and surrey before being allowed to drive an
automobile"

> If you really want to work the HF bands, learn code and be done with it.

I already learned the code years ago when I got my license. The fact that
you assume that everyone that is against the code requirement did not learn
morse code just shows how limited your mind works.

Likewise, you don't have to be a murderer to know that murder is wrong.

Now make sure your brain is engaged next time before putting your mouth in
gear.
Right everyone?