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"The Deeper Wound"

Deepak Chopra

As fate would have it, I was leaving New York on a jet flight that took off 45 minutes before the unthinkable happened. By the time we landed in Detroit, chaos had broken out. When I grasped the fact that American security had broken down so tragically, I couldn't respond at first. My wife and son were also in the air on separate flights, one to Los Angeles, one to San Diego. My body went absolutely rigid with fear. All I could think about was their safety, and it took several hours before I found out that their flights had been diverted and both were safe.

Strangely, when the good news came, my body still felt that it had been hit by a truck. Of its own accord it seemed to feel a far greater trauma that reached out to the thousands who would not survive and the tens of thousands who would survive only to live through months and years of hell.

And I asked myself, Why didn't I feel this way last week? Why didn't my body go stiff during the bombing of Iraq or Bosnia? Around the world my horror and worry are experienced every day. Mothers weep over horrendous loss, civilians are bombed mercilessly, refugees are ripped from any sense of home or homeland. Why did I not feel their anguish enough to call a halt to it?

As we hear the calls for tightened American security and a fierce military response to terrorism, it is obvious that none of us has any answers. However, we feel compelled to ask some questions.

Everything has a cause, so we have to ask, What was the root cause of this evil? We must find out not superficially but at the deepest level. There is no doubt that such evil is alive all around the world and is even celebrated.

Does this evil grow from the suffering and anguish felt by people we don't know and therefore ignore? Have they lived in this condition for a long time?

One assumes that whoever did this attack feels implacable hatred for America. Why were we selected to be the focus of suffering around the world?

All this hatred and anguish seems to have religion at its basis. Isn't something terribly wrong when jihads and wars develop in the name of God? Isn't God invoked with hatred in Ireland, Sri Lanka, India, Pakistan, Israel, Palestine, and even among the intolerant sects of America?

Can any military response make the slightest difference in the underlying cause? Is there not a deep wound at the heart of humanity?

If there is a deep wound, doesn't it affect everyone?

When generations of suffering respond with bombs, suicidal attacks, and biological warfare, who first developed these weapons? Who sells them? Who gave birth to the satanic technologies now being turned against us?

If all of us are wounded, will revenge work? Will punishment in any form toward anyone solve the wound or aggravate it? Will an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, and limb for a limb, leave us all blind, toothless and crippled?

Tribal warfare has been going on for two thousand years and has now been magnified globally. Can tribal warfare be brought to an end? Are patriotism and nationalism even relevant anymore, or is this another form of tribalism?

What are you and I as persons going to do about what is happening? Can we afford to let the deeper wound fester any longer? Everyone is calling this an attack on America, but is it not a rift in our collective soul? Isn't this an attack on civilization from without that is also from within?

When we have secured our safety once more and cared for the wounded after the period of shock and mourning is over, it will be time for soul searching. I only hope that these questions are confronted with the deepest spiritual intent. None of us will feel safe again behind the shield of military might and stockpiled arsenals. There can be no safety until the root cause is faced. In this moment of shock I don't think anyone of us has the answers. It is imperative that we pray and offer solace and help to each other. But if you and I are having a single thought of violence or hatred against anyone in the world at this moment, we are contributing to the wounding of the world.

Love,
Deepak

Vincent Gregory Palmer wrote:

My conscience tells me this view below is close to the mark as we have entered the most critical stage of our civilised existance, so I wish to share a perspective from someone who is from Afghanistan.

I believe Bin Laden has more cells in Europe and America that have been living in those country's for years and GOD knows what they have as weapons. I know we can't just sit back and take it on the chin but going after Bin Laden might signal the unthinkable release of biological and nuclear weapons from these cells. Although Bin Laden is distructive he may not be stupid. Has he started a campaign because he knows the best cards he has have yet to be revealed. It has been known for a few years that since Russia broke up 50 briefcase nuclear bombs have gone missing, feared sold on the black market. Where are they and who has them. If The US and coalition go in guns blazing, I will hold my breathe for what could be the response, because technology has created the oportunity for fanatics to create distruction of biblical proportions. I want my daughter to live, and live in a world that changed the habit of it's history. As the saying goes that we have all recently read: An eye for an eye will leave us all blind. I pray for the alternative legacy

. Extremely concerned Vince

Tamim Ansary Writes:

Dear Friends,

Yesterday I heard a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age." Ron Owens, on KGO Talk Radio allowed that this would mean killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do with this atrocity, but "we're at war, we have to accept collateral damage," and he asked, "What else can we do? What is your suggestion?" Minutes later I heard a TV pundit discussing whether we "have the belly to do what must be done." And I thought about these issues especially hard because I am from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for 35 years I've never lost track of what's been going on over there. So I want to share a few thoughts with anyone who will listen.

I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. There is no doubt in my mind that these people were responsible for the atrocity in New York. I fervently wish to see those monsters punished. But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan. They're not even the government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a cult of ignorant psychotics who captured Afghanistan in 1997 and have been holding the country in bondage ever since.

Bin Laden is a political criminal with a master plan. When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think Bin Laden, think Hitler. And when you think "the people of Afghanistan" think "the Jews in the concentration camps." It's not only that the Afghan people had nothing to do with this atrocity. They were the first victims of the perpetrators. They would love for someone to eliminate the Taliban and clear out the rats nest of international thugs holed up in their country. I guarantee it.

Some say, if that's the case, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban themselves? The answer is, they're starved, exhausted, damaged, and incapacitated. A few years ago, the United Nations estimated that there are 500,000 disabled orphans in Afghanistan -- a country with no economy, no food. Millions of Afghans are widows of the approximately two million men killed during the war with the Soviets. And the Taliban has been executing these women for being women and has buried some of their opponents alive in mass graves. The soil of Afghanistan is littered with land mines and almost all the farms have been destroyed.

The Afghan people have tried to overthrow the Taliban. They haven't been able to. We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age. Trouble with that scheme is, it's already been done. The Soviets took care of it. Make the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level their houses? Done. Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done. Eradicate their hospitals? Done. Destroy their infrastructure? There is no infrastructure. Cut them off from medicine and health care? Too late. Someone already did all that. New bombs would only land in the rubble of earlier bombs.

Would they at least get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the Taliban eat, only they have the means to move around. They'd slip away and hide. (They have already, I hear.) Maybe the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans, they don't move too fast, they don't even have wheelchairs. But flying over Kabul and dropping bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the criminals who did this horrific thing. Actually it would be making common cause with the Taliban -- by raping once again the people they've been raping all this time

So what else can be done, then? Let me now speak with true fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in there with ground troops. I think that when people speak of "having the belly to do what needs to be done" many of them are thinking in terms of having the belly to kill as many as needed. They are thinking about overcoming moral qualms about killing innocent people. But it's the belly to die not kill that's actually on the table. Americans will die in a land war to get Bin Laden. And not just because some Americans would die fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin Laden's hideout. It's much bigger than that, folks.

To get any troops to Afghanistan, we'd have to go through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not likely. The conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. Will other Muslim nations just stand by? You see where I'm going. The invasion approach is a flirtation with global war between Islam and the West. And that is Bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he wants and why he did this thing. Read his speeches and statements. It's all right there.

At the moment, of course, "Islam" as such does not exist. There are Muslims and there are Muslim countries, but no such political entity as Islam. Bin Laden believes that if he can get a war started, he can constitute this entity and he'd be running it. He really believes Islam would beat the west.. It might seem ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the world into Islam and the West, he's got a billion soldiers. If the West wreaks a holocaust in Muslim lands, that's a billion people with nothing left to lose, even better from Bin Laden's point of view. He's probably wrong about winning, in the end the west would probably overcome -- whatever that would mean in such a war; but the war would last for years and millions would die, not just theirs but ours. Who has the belly for that? Bin Laden yes, but anyone else?

I don't have a solution. But I do believe that suffering and poverty are the soil in which terrorism grows. Bin Laden and his cohorts want to bait us into creating more such soil, so they and their kind can flourish. We can't let him do that. That's my humble opinion.

In honoring today as a day of Prayer and Rememberance, the Team @ eSavingsZone offers
this poem to all Americans touched by last Tuesday's heinous terrorist acts.

I Said a Prayer for you

I said a prayer for you today
And know God must have heard.
I felt the answer in my heart
Although I heard no word.

I didn't ask for wealth or fame
(I knew you wouldn't mind.)
I asked to send you treasures
Of a far more lasting kind.

I asked that God be near you
At the start of each new day
To grant you health and blessings
And friends to share your way.

I asked for happiness for you
In all things great and small,
But it was God's loving care for you
That I prayed for most of all.

The Team @ eSavingsZone.com

The Dalai Lama's letter to the President of the United States of America

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Your Excellency,

I am deeply shocked by the terrorist attacks that took place involving four apparently hijacked aircrafts and the immense devastation these caused. It is a terrible tragedy that so many innocent lives have been lost and it seems unbelievable that anyone would choose to target the World Trade Center in New York City and the Pentagon in Washington D.C. We are deeply saddened. On behalf of the Tibetan people I would like to convey our deepest condolence and solidarity with the American people during this painful time. Our prayers go out to the many who have lost their lives, those who have been injured and the many more who have been traumatized by this senseless act of violence. I am attending a special prayer for the United States and it's people at our main temple today. I am confident that the United States as a great and powerful nation will be able to overcome this present tragedy. The American people have shown their resilience, courage and determination when faced with such difficult and sad situation. It may seem presumptuous on my part, but I personally believe we need to think seriously whether a violent action is the right thing to do and in the greater interest of the nation and people in the long run. I believe violence will only increase the cycle of violence. But how do we deal with hatred and anger, which are often the root causes of such senseless violence? This is a very difficult question, especially when it concerns a nation and we have certain fixed conceptions of how to deal with such attacks. I am sure that you will make the right decision. With my prayers and good wishes The Dalai Lama

September 12, 2001

Dharamsala, India

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Donate Blood at your nearest American Red Cross
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We will show the world that Americans are strong and united together against terrorism.

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#1 American Red Cross

World Trade Center, Pentagon and Pittsburgh Tragedies

The American Red Cross has immediately responded to the explosions at the World Trade Center in New York City and in the Pentagon and on the National Mall in Washington, D.C. that occurred early in the morning on September 11, 2001. The Red Cross has activated its Aviation Incident Response (AIR) Team to respond in New York City and trained disaster workers from the American Red Cross are providing relief in the affected areas.

80,000 blood donations in the American Red Cross blood inventory are ready to ship to affected areas and will ensure that patients' lives are saved. In the wake of these traumatic events lies a wide path of catastrophic physical and psychological destruction in which countless victims will require assistance. In addition to meeting the physical needs of the affected regions, the American Red Cross will be providing crisis mental health counseling.

"The American Red Cross is doing everything we can to ensure the immediate availability of the safest possible blood," said Dr. Bernadine Healy, president and CEO of the American Red Cross. "We are also dispatching hundreds of trained disaster workers and mental health counselors to New York, Washington D.C. and elsewhere," she added.

The fastest and most effective way to help the victims of this disaster is through cash and blood donations, which allow for the best use of resources. All Red Cross disaster assistance is free, made possible by voluntary donations of time and money from the American people.

To make a blood donation, please call 1-800-GIVE-LIFE or contact your local blood service organization. To help the victims of this and other disasters through a financial contribution, call 1-800- HELP-NOW to make a credit card donation or Internet users can make a secure online credit card contribution by clicking here .

You can also mail a donation to the American Red Cross, designating "Disaster Relief Fund" on the memo line of the check, at the American Red Cross, PO Box 37243 Washington DC 20013.

#2 FEMA Suggests Donation Avenues To Help Victims Washington, D.C. ...Updated September 11, 2001

The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) is urging those interested in helping victims of the apparent terrorist events to give blood or cash donations. Those interested in giving blood should call the American Red Cross blood donation hotline, at 1-800-448-3543. The American Red Cross can accept cash donations through 1-800-HELP NOW, and the Salvation Army can accept financial contributions through 1-800-SAL ARMY. Persons who wish to donate their services should contact their local American Red Cross office. FEMA does not accept donations, but works closely with volunteer agencies that provide a wide variety of services after emergencies, including childcare, crisis counseling, sheltering and food. For more information about voluntary organizations active in disasters, go to www.nvoad.org

Robert,

Leaders never come out of a times of plenty but are developed in times of difficulty. You are watching that process right now, and that leadership will mold the course of history.

I ask, what is developing in your own personal leadership?

Who leads you? The battle ground for this new war is not on the land ,air or sea but in your mind and heart.

Even tough the terrorists hit our physical bodies, their main target was our mind and spirit. They wanted to bring us to our knees and they did. I had the privilege of spending time on my knees with thousands of Christian men in the San Jose Arena Friday and Saturday at a Promisekeepers event. I have never been prouder to be an American!

We were linked up via satellite to the American prayer special. On that program was a call to NY Pastor that was serving the victims of Tuesdays events. He said they were overwhelmed with the needs of the victims. When asked how they were doing it. The response was that they had maxed out their Credit cards to get food and supplies to help and they needed more.

At that point a few men went to the stage while the interview was still in process an placed some money on the stage. This started a 45 min. procession of men coming forth to help. When completed we were informed that the pastor of the NY Church would receive a check for $104,000 Monday morning, tears came to my eyes. They will know we are Christians by our love.

These kinds of actions defeat the terrorists in their tracts. The battle field is in your head. The only thing you have control of in these difficult times is your ATTITUDE!

Fear or strength are the choices and the only way you can have strength is to know who is in control. Jesus said, " I am the way, the truth and the life and no man comes to the father except buy me."

What kind of attitude could you have knowing that the God of the Universe is on your side!

I wanted to write a note on how to deal with Monday morning and I wanted to hit it with strength. Many of my thoughts were captured in the excerpts from a great email from Mark Joyner, so take action knowing who is in control.

May God Bless you, Bless you Indeed, expand your borders, Keep His hand upon you and keep you from evil.

Ron Hart

Dear Robert,

Yesterday's attack was not just an attack on physical buildings - it was an attack on *your* business. It doesn't matter where you live - businesses around the world were attacked yesterday - make no mistake.

Some fear this attack will be "the straw that broke the camel's back" and send us spinning into a new depression.

I have to admit that yesterday, my first reaction was a poor one. Frankly, I was ready for war and even told people to protect themselves for such. Some people mistook my advice to mean, "Take guns to the streets and riot." Yikes.

After the fact, I realized that *the* most important thing was to remain calm. I quickly began urging everyone to do so.

However, now that we're all calm and collected, should we allow this to lower our spirits?

Demoralizing our people and paralyzing our country is exactly what the terrorists want. Does it have to be so?

Yesterday evening I realized it was time to get back to business. I gave a friend of mine that advice and it was met with great resistance. My friend said, "Have some respect for the victims of the bombings! This needs to be a time of mourning."

Hmmm... I wonder. Is that really the best thing? I had to respectfully disagree with my friend.

I told him that the worst thing we can do is to do nothing. Yes we need to mourn, we need to grieve, but we also need to move forward. I pray that those who lost their lives, their friends and their families will not take this the wrong way. They truly have my deepest sympathies, and every fiber of my being screams out for justice, resolution, and peace.

We all feel this way, but we need to pick up the pace of commerce and industry again with a renewed sense of resolve. I don't know about you, but I refuse to let this cowardly attack change my way of life or destroy my business - the business I have sacrificed so much for in the last 7 years.

My business will move forward. Next week we will release a new product right on schedule. Do not think for a second that moving forward with your business is disrespectful of the victims of this attack.

YOU were a victim of this attack. This was an attack on your freedom, with the aim of paralyzing your way of life and the way you conduct your business.

Conducting business as usual is disrespectful of no one - except the cowards who are responsible for these acts.

Here is my plan. If you join me in this, you'll be doing your part to get the economy - and our spirits - roaring back:

1. Market your products today with no sense of shame. Do so with pride. As an act of defiance, engage in your marketing as you normally would... Better - do so with renewed enthusiasm.

2. There is a purchase you've been putting off... Put it off no longer. Make that purchase today.

3. Buy one product from one of your competitors.

4. Buy one thing that you don't need, but have wanted for a long time.

5. When the markets open, buy a few shares with "going long" in mind.

I urge you to begin again today with a renewed resolve. Let's show these cowards we will not be stopped.

Forward this message to all of your friends. Join with me to stop the virus of terrorism and spread the news of prosperity and hope.

Let's do this. Not tomorrow. Not next week. Today. Right now.

All the best,

Mark

Mark Joyner

CEO, Aesop.com

Hello!

In light of this tragedy, I wanted to tell you, my family, that I love all of you very much. I am SO grateful that I didn't lose any of you, though my heart goes out to all of those that did lose someone that they love.

Thank you all for loving me and being such a kind and loving family. I wish I could be everywhere at once just to see that all of you are fine, but just know that I am there in spirit.

Since I can't be there to help all of those people, I am going to donate some blood tomorrow. (as the lines were too long today) I am also praying for the rescue crews to find more survivors. I also am praying that we will not go into war.

I am writing this because I wanted to let you all know that I love you, and if something happens to any of us, I will be at peace that everyone knows that I am down here thinking of you all.

Please take care of yourselves and dont take our families for granted...I miss you all SO MUCH!!!! Love Love love,

Tanya



An interesting personal story here including a chat with a Mullah friend of Bin Laden, Regards, Dave Haith

My name is Gotham Chopra, and I am Deepak's son. I work with Channel One News, an educational news broadcast that is seen in an estimated 12.5 thousand secondary schools, as a TV reporter.

On Tuesday September 11th 2001, at 8 am I boarded a flight in New York headed for Los Angeles. Shortly we rolled out onto the runway, lurched back, fired down the runway, and soared into the sky. It must have been almost 8:30 AM when I looked over my shoulder and gazed out at the New York skyline noting the clear view from Columbia University, my alma mater, all the way down to the World Trade Center. "What a beautiful day," I thought to myself. "I wish I wasn't leaving." I then closed my eyes and drifted off to sleep.

A little over 90 minutes later I awoke when the pilot's voice came over the loudspeaker. "Ladies and gentlemen," he announced in a calm voice, "we are making an emergency landing in Cincinnati because of an apparent terrorist attack in the New York Area. Please stay calm."

There was a nervous murmur throughout the cabin. The journalist in me demanded immediate information and I reached for the phone. I quickly ran my credit card through the phone, waited for the dial tone, and dialed our News Desk in Los Angeles. The phone cackled but when the other line picked up, there was no mistaking the panicked tone in one of my colleagues.

"Are you okay?" she asked. "I am." I asked for further information. "Two planes crashed into the World Trade Center. They've come down. They've come down." The phone cut off and went dead. I frantically redialed. No luck. I tried my sister in Los Angeles. No luck.

I slowly sat back in my chair and began to panic. I knew my father had flown out of New York on a different flight about an hour before me. I knew my mother was on a flight originating in London destined for San Diego. I tried to meditate and tell myself that everyone would be okay. Tears burned my eyes.

When we touched down twenty minutes later, the pilot instructed us not to turn on our cell phones. He gave us instructions to immediately evacuate the plane and follow the instructions of security personnel. We did. Finally in the terminal, I reached for my phone and turned it on. There I stood huddled with hundreds of other interrupted passengers and gazed up at the television. The fresh images of two smoldering stumps - the remains of the towers of the world trade center - played on the screen. Finally I got in touch with my sister, Mallika, who was sobbing on the other end of the phone.

"I'm okay, where's papa, where's mom?" Mallika supplied all of the answers - everyone was safe. I placed my next call again to the office. I knew that there was work at hand. Sure enough, I already had a car reserved and was destined back for New York. At the rental agency, there was a great shortage of cars. People in line started shouting out their destinations and everyone began carpooling. I joined two other men from the New York area and we were off. Over the next 12 hours we listened closely to the radio as details of the terrorist attack emerged. Every five minutes the name of another family member or friend popped into my head and I dialed the number frantically. Most New York numbers were jammed or out of service. One friend I was able to contact informed that a he was unable to contact a mutual friend of ours. He worked in the 105th floor of one of the towers. He was scheduled to attend an 8:30 meeting. Someone from the meeting had called to say they had survived the initial attack and were waiting for a rescue team. No one had heard from any of them since.

Finally just after midnight we made it just to the edge of New York City, in Fort Lee New Jersey. There would be no crossing into Manhattan Island - all the bridges and tunnels had been sealed. I spent the night in New Jersey unable to sleep much and by 6 am, I was dressed and ready to get in. The only way to get across was via the commuter train which was offering limited services. As we pulled toward the station in Hoboken NJ, the trains slowed to a stop. There on the other side of the river they stood, like ashen smoking gravestones, the ruins of the twin towers. The train car was silent and as everyone stood hushed and gazed out the window. A young woman beside me began to whimper. Another man lowered his head into his hands and muffled his sobs.

Back in the city, people walked around in a daze. The streets were empty of cars but full of wandering pedestrians, walking directly down the middle of Broadway and Fifth Avenue. As we made our way downtown (I had already hooked up with a TV crew) we noticed small cafes open and people filling the outside sidewalk seats. People sat mostly in silence gazing upwards at the thick plume of white smoke still snaking its way westward. At west 4th street, a group of kids played basketball. At one point the ball rolled out of play. A young shirtless boy ran after the ball and bent down to pick it up. When he lifted his head he looked up at the air at the same thick trail of smoke. He shook his head and wiped away something from his eyes - either sweat or tears - and turned away.

Walking home, I stopped and talked to a police officer. After chatting a few minutes, the officer asked me if I would like to see ground zero. I agreed to stay just at the edge away from the workers. The pictures on television of the devastation caused by Tuesday's attack do the scene of the crime absolutely no justice. In real life it appears as if an asteroid has hit the lower part of Manhattan. There are charred, twisting slabs of metal and concrete in every direction. It is unfathomable, unspeakable, incomprehensible. The tragedy today is in its infancy. For the thousand who lost their lives, there are thousands more - friends and family - who will never sleep a restful night. There are parents, children, siblings, friends, and neighbors who walked out of their buildings one morning and have not returned. This is a national tragedy but also a very personal one.

On Wednesday night while in cab returning from work to my apartment, I noticed the Muslim name of my driver. He noticed the tone of my skin in the rear view mirror. He nodded at me. On the radio, the commentator was relaying a warning to all men of Middle Eastern and South Asian descent - to be wary of unwarranted violent reprisals from agitated residents of the city. The taxi driver again looked at me through the mirror and smiled ironically, "We love America. It is our home." He shook his head, "but I think we're fucked."

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About a month ago, I rode up with two colleagues to the Northwest Frontier region of Pakistan bordering Afghanistan. We were covering a story on Islamic militancy training grounds based in Pakistani religious schools. In the west they have widely been reported to be ground zero for the grooming of young Muslim boys into hostile anti-western terrorists. In Pakistan, both the government and the men at the school hotly contested these claims, castigating the west for generating such racist propaganda. I traveled to this lost area with as little bias as possible - but with a certain and undeniable fear in my heart.

In the school itself, the chancellor was most kind and hospitable. He had us tour the grounds of the school, meet teachers and some of the boys - though at first we weren't allowed to talk to them. We were then escorted into his private residence. The first thing I noticed on the center table was a bowl of big yellow mangoes and a picture. The picture was of our host - an older Muslim Mullah wearing a traditional white turban and a stained orange beard and his friend - Osama Bin Laden, the number one man on the FBI's list of Most Wanted. I asked our host if we could interview him. He agreed but insisted first that we share mangoes with him. I agreed and he took out a long knife and proceeded to slice the fruit for me. We slurped and chatted for a while and finally were permitted to turn on the camera.

I asked the Mullah a wide array of questions. "Did he hate the US? Why is there such Anti-Americanism in this part of the world? Should Americans be afraid?" He answered them all eloquently and without hostility. He talked about the history of the US and Afghanistan, how during the Cold War, they were allies, united fighting a war against the Soviets. "You gave us weapons and trained our men. You built our roads, fed our people. Do you realize young man that your government helps to create and to fund the Taliban because it was their interest to use Guerilla warfare and terrorist tactics against the Russians? You made us your friend."

"But then your Cold War ended and you deserted us." At this point, there was a hint of animosity in his voice. "Because it was no longer in your selfish interest to have us as your allies, you abandoned us, left our people, hungry, and hateful. You turned your friends into foes because you used us like whores."

There was a silence between us.

Finally I asked him about the picture, about the nature of his relationship with Mr. Bin Laden. "He's an old friend. And a good man." I shook my head. "Is he a terrorist?" "We don't call him that here." The Mullah made it clear he was not interested in talking any more. We shook hands. I thanked him for his hospitality.

On the way out I thought about that hospitality. I knew that the Mullah himself had endorsed a fatwa, or religious order, by Bin Laden several years ago urging Muslims to kill American civilians. But here was this man cutting mangoes for us and being very gracious.

"Today you are our guest. If we were not hospitable, we would be very ashamed. But in times of war, yes you would be an enemy and we may kill you. Today a friend, tomorrow, inshallah (God willing), there will not be one."

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Today Friday September 14, 2001, four days since the terrorist attack, it appears we may be on the threshold of war. Our President has called it the First World War of the 21st century. I am not sure whom we will be fighting. I would like to go to my favorite café in the city - a small Egyptian place on the Lower East Side that I have been going to since college. The waiters - mostly young Middle Eastern guys who like to talk about basketball and soccer, who come and sit at your table and share a puff on the sweet tobacco hookas they serve there - they are my friends. But I'm not sure when it will open again, if it will open again. There's a Mosque next door that has been closed since the attack.

The weeks and months and perhaps even years ahead promise to be complex and wary. Hopefully our leaders will be judicious, precise, and compassionate in the difficult decisions that lay ahead. But it is each of us that now must rise up and be the true warriors in this difficult time. Does that mean seizing weapons and braving the threat of death out on a battlefield?

Precisely not. Because the battlefield is invisible. The enemy is elusive. The web of evil too complex. Today there are no answers. It is too early for solutions for remedies. For now we each have our stories - where we were on the day that the twin towers toppled. Each one is dramatic; each one is tragic. From this day forward, everyday I shall observe a quiet remembrance for the victims of this calamity. Each one of us may choose our own way how to memorialize this moment but I believe we are all obligated to reflect for a moment, to care about our neighbor, to meditate for peace and tolerance because ultimately the only forces that can defeat such profound evil are compassion and hope.

I ask everyone on this board to join my father and me in prayer for the healing of our wounded civilization (if we can call it that). Let us pray every day to our Gods remembering, as my dad has taught me since childhood, that Christ was not a Christian, Mohammed was not a Mohammeden, Buddha was not a Buddhist, and Krishna was not a Hindu.

Love,

Gotham

A piece to consider from Henry Ward of hpw9@pacbell.net Regards, Dave Haith

The war!

How pathetic, most of you have never seen war, it is a three letter word that slides from your lips effortlessly. You are like apes pounding your chests, bellowing the command WAR now, knowing you are safe, because you personally will never be required to go to war! War means murder, this is not in your "text book" definition, it is an experiential statement, yes I have seen, heard, touched, smelled and tasted the repugnance of war first hand and it is unequivocal to anyone who has experienced it; war is murder! No matter how you slant it with a political agenda or economic growth factoring, it is MURDER! And by definition anyone that makes this proposal of war makes you an accomplice to murder, you are culpable, therefore liable to retribution not only by the laws of decency for mankind but universal, cosmic laws! Stick to areas of your expertise, the notion of war is barbaric, don't insult the progress made by humanity! What have we learned? The first world war was a war to end all wars, the second world war almost ended the world as we know it and now? Let us not be fooled by those that advocate murder madness, they are preying on the tattered emotions of our nation from the terrorist hellish actions. Sure we can use our so called superior military arms and go in there and kill, kill, kill to there is nothing left to kill. Innocent men, women, children will die Then we will have to face the fact that the monsters responsible for these terrorist acts have inadvertently won, why ?because we now have acted in the manner in which they do their killing! It will be a pyrrhic victory at best, because we will have lost something the terrorist do not have and that is a moral high ground, we will reduce our position to that of these barbarians! We will become murderers! Iam not talking about the chiaroscuro of light verses darkness/ good verses evil, nor are we talking about new age philosophies in conflict. What we are faced with, is the responsibility to use wisdom, high level intelligence, a burning truth, real courage, humility, justice, patience, compassion and then select with precision, a tempered means of diplomacy, as well as covert action to ferret out the perpetrators and bring them down! Why not find a way to ambush them one group at a time! War is not a vehicle for everyone's personal failures, prejudice, fears and or agenda to be accomplished. There has been total disregard for the use of emotional intelligence, what we hear instead is pure testosterone speaking! Let all of you arm chair warriors be the first to go onto the battlefield, or shut your fucking mouths about going to war! Please do not insult the religions of the world, more people have been persecuted in the name of their beliefs then any issue relating to all political ideologies combined. Ask yourself what you really want, is it justice or murder? And if it is murder that you want You'll get your fucking war alright, only this time there is going to be at a much larger price then any of us can possibly imagine! Think about a planet void of all human life!

Nei, Krsanna,

Your words chill me to the bone, I see you may be right, bin Laden would not just leave this here, his fanaticism will drive him to the furthest extreme imaginable.

May this create a bond that extends to all peoples around the world. We all feel the pain and shock, distance is nothing, race is nothing, nationality is nothing, we are all in this together, humanity and love is all. We all hope and pray for a better future, where we can meet together in peace and friendship in the garden of earth. I pray for that day.

Peace and Love

Phil

----- Original Message -----

From: TimeStar

To: ufonet@yahoogroups.com

Sent: 15 September 2001 18:46

Subject: [UFOnet] #2 Death eclipse

Nei - I have the same feeling as you that bin Laden has more planned. But before continuing, I'd like to clarify something. Optimum brain function is achieved with balanced left- and right-brain functions. The brain is the design theme of the ancient pyramid centre at Teotihuacan, where brain structure is detailed in the pyramids. The Toltecs were renowned as master dreamers and astronomers, representing qualitative left- and right-brain functions.

Dreaming is a right-brain function and analysis is a left-brain function. To concentrate on right-brain intuition at the exclusion of left-brain analysis reduces accuracy; and, likewise, to concentrate on left-brain analysis at the expense of right-brain intuitive functions reduces accuracy. I am a natural psychic who has done things that would challenge the belief of some people, therefore, I have balanced my natural psychic ability by developing left-brain analytical skills. I deliberately focused my attention into analytical perception when I began working with the TimeStar in order to understand how left-brain oriented people perceived the model. I have learned to integrate intuitive and analytical modes and chose the mode that is best for a particular situation.

Sunday (September 9): A friend and I felt something big was in the air and discussed what might be happening briefly. My friend concluded that it felt like he was standing in the middle of a street watching a car speed towards him; but I didn't have an analogy for the sense of uneasiness I felt. I did not go into a psi mode in order to learn more about what was happening because I had other things I had to get done. I like to have at least three days to work on a psi-oriented project and didn't have three days to spare.

Monday (September 10): I sat down to write an update for the Death eclipse prediction but decided to give it one more day, until September 11.

Tuesday (September 11): I heard about the suicide bombers at about 8:45 Mountain time on September 11 and thought, "Oh God, it is beginning." When I heard that Bush was going to make a speech about the tragedy I thought "Dear God, please help him read his speech correctly; the world will listen to our functionally illiterate court-appointed president." A woman with a Ph.D in literature was present when I commented on my desire that Bush would be able to read his speech correctly. The Ph.D. in literature laughed and said she had heard an interview with George W.'s wife, Mrs. Bush, on the radio. Mrs. Bush had apparently said that ever since she was a little girl she had had an interest in reading. An interest in reading since childhood is not equal to reading since childhood. The Ph.D. said, "You can just imagine what the two of them [the Bushes] talk about at the breakfast table."

I watched a suicide pilot execute the turn around a WTC Tower on television later in the day and thought that the bombers were dedicated veterans of a guerilla war that had a lot more planned for us. They delivered their message to America in a way that will change the psychological timbre of the nation forever. I prayed that the American people would understand what had happened without falling into the mindset of knee-jerk vengeance the Nefilim put into motion in the Middle East.

Friday (September 14): I feel that bin Laden knew exactly what he would face once the first target was hit on September 11 and prepared for it long in advance. I believe that bin Laden knows this is his last stand and has decided to make it count with a delivery system for destruction that will produce maximum psychological leverage.

Bin Laden undoubtedly knew the backlash that would follow the bombings and was prepared to make his last stand in a series of hits that haven't ended yet. I feel that he literally went underground before the twin towers were bombed has planned to hide out such that he could avoid satellite detection.

No movement is necessary at this point because everything needed for bin Laden's last stand is already in place. The lack of movement will make it very difficult to locate him.

Further, the next phase of bin Laden's plan is probably in place to produce another round of terror regardless of what happens to him. Bin Laden possesses a highly developed mind, and I don't think he has a psychological need to pound his chest to show off what he's done. Bin Laden's not done yet and the need to flex his muscle and preen for the camera will be in the legacy of his death that future generations will remember.

Terror is bin Laden's love child. Pictures of bin Laden show him with a serene countenance, in contrast to some of his followers. I feel that bin Laden is serene in his confidence that he will rewrite the history of the Palestinian people through a commitment that surpasses death. In another time and place America financed bin Laden for his daring in fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan. Now he has turned his daring against America in the same fight for his holy land that he waged with the Soviets. His holy land is bin Laden's true love.

The suicidal daring of bin Laden's small, dedicated army of guerilla fighters terrifies both Americans and Israelis. Bin Laden is angry at America for financing his traditional enemy in the Israeli effort to take over his holy land.

Bin Laden's holy war is the battle between Abraham's descendents in the Middle East -- the Muslims, Jews and Christians all claim right to ascending dominance through blood lines to Abraham. The 12 tribes of Islam and the 12 tribes of Israel were both birthed from Abraham's loins. The Christians claim an esoteric lineage to Abraham through the lineage of Jesus whom they accept as their savior. The real battle distills into the Nefilim's ancient war in the Middle East by virtue of Abraham dominant place in the Nefilim's domain.

Suicide also holds a key role in Jewish history by way of Masada, which they still celebrate. Masada was a mountain-top fortress where a Jewish community was surrounded by their enemies. The strategic location of the mountain-top fortress of Masada protected the Jews from direct attack but also isolated them. When the supplies were exhausted at Masada, and the Jews saw that they could not survive without surrendering to the enemy, they decided to commit suicide rather than surrender to an enemy. I believe that the Jews at Masada selected a small number of warriors to kill the larger number of Jews trapped at Masada then the those who had killed the majority committed suicide.

Suicide is central to the Judao-Christian - Muslim archetype. Bin Laden is doing nothing more nor less than playing out the archetype of the Nefilim's Middle Eastern descendents.

The problem for the rest of the world who are neither Jewish, Muslim nor Christian is that the Nefilim's war is wreaking havoc for the rest of us. The terrorists behind bin Laden are the Nefilim who put this model of human control into motion. Bin Laden's plan is not yet complete, and he has time on his side for as long as he can remain undetected while his full plan for terror waits to be discovered.

Regards,

Krsanna

----- Original Message -----

From:

To:

Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:01 AM

Subject: Re: [UFOnet] Death eclipse

> Hi again, TimeStar. I don't know if I mentioned it or not, but I am also > somewhat psychic. Below is a rundown of what I tuned into .... wish I had > been concentrating more; perhaps I could have helped to deflect some of the > negative energy .... so sad! >

> Timeline: 3-4 weeks ago, while walking my doggie, heard (via clairaudience) > scores of voices screaming out in pain and horror; at this point, I knew > there was going to be, or had already been, a big plane crash.

> > Timeline: Last week, while walking Mookie again, was aware of this eerie, > still, silent feeling, as if something unseen/unknown was waiting, crouched > to pounce and strike. Have experienced that feeling for at least 2-3 times > since I felt the first feeling of 'something big happening'. >

> Timeline: Friday, (Sept. 7th) - while out walking Mookie in the evening, had > the sudden feeling to 'raise my vibrations' - felt under attack by unseen and > malevolent forces. Drew my spiritual and psychic protection around me. >

> Timeline: Sunday, (Sept. 9th) - 4.0 earthquake rocks WLA, originating in > West Hollywood. Quake lasts for several minutes (occurred mid-afternoon). > Felt as if quake was right under my feet. >

> Timeline: Monday, mid afternoon (Sept. 10th) - was out of work, sick with a > bad cold. While watching TV, there suddenly flashed on the screen one of > those Emergency Broadcast alerts, which lasted approx. 1-2 minutes. I was > puzzled as to this, as there was no accommodating statements ...... " .... > This had been a broadcast of the Emergency Testing System. If this had been > a real emergency ...." blurb, but brushed it off. >

> Timeline: Tuesday, mid morning (PST) - watched TV broadcast of The Events. >

> Timeline: Thursday, mid-morning (Sept. 13th) - while walking Mookie, felt > another one of those eerie, still, something-waiting-to-pounce feelings. > Later in the day, had vision of another plane going down. Also saw flying > fireballs, reminiscent of the Gulf War blitzes.

> > **/\*/\*/\*/\*/\*/\*/\**

> > I have been sick out of work all week with a bad cold; of course, this made > me feel even sicker! These were, apparently, all warnings of what was to > come; I feel there is more coming, but I do know that positive thought and > positive energy CAN deflect and 'neutralize' these type of events, if done > early enough. We as human beings have FREE WILL; that also means that we can > choose our fate, and their are hundreds of alternate futures, FOR EACH CHOICE > WE MAKE IN LIFE! Therefore, when we see danger coming down the road: instead > of shrugging, throwing up our hands and 'accepting our fate', we can instead > CHANGE EVENTS THAT ARE TO COME by NOT accepting it and not wanting it to > occur. Remember the 'motto' from Terminator-2: "THERE IS NO FATE" - only > effects of our conscious, FREE WILL, choices. > > Faith can, indeed, move mountains. And so can the human mind. >

> You can be sure that the next time I feel my psychic antennae vibrating, I > will IMMEDIATELY begin to channel in pure, positive energy and thought-forms, > and exercise my own FREE WILL powers of choice. >

> Blessings,

> ~Nei

>

To All Members,

I got this one from another e-mail list. This message is too important to be ignored. I heard about this on the radio recently too, and I agree with every word of the impassioned plea by this outraged citizen to Stop the Hate! This one must be spread far and wide.

Sincerely,

Bill

In the wake of the terrorist attack on the WTC and Pentagon, Jerry Falwell’s latest loathsome spewing is the most hateful and evil "totally non-Christian" garbage that he has ever allowed to spill from his misguided mouth yet; "I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, 'People for the American Way' --all of them who have tried to secularize America" … "I point the finger in their face and say, ‘You helped this happen!’ " He goes on to say "God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve,"

Can you believe he said these things? And he calls himself a Christian leader? No way! This hatefulness is no better than the same kind of hate that led to this attack in the first place. He has more in common with the vipers that carried out this terrorism, than he does with any of the rest of the civilized world. I can’t say that I know what his intentions were in promoting these spurious lies, but one thing is clear. The only thing such hateful foaming at the mouth accomplishes is to divide us by even more hate than we already have. And this is hate that Mr. Falwell has to offer in the name of God for all Americans to have for each other. With these words he seeks to turn us on our immediate neighbors and point a finger; see it's because you are a pagan, or see it’s because you feminists are having abortions, or see it’s because you are gay, or a member of the ACLU! This is wrong!

Directly to Jerry Falwell I say, "You should be ashamed of yourself. The hate you are spewing is not from GOD at all. If a word or deed does not proceed from Love, then it does not proceed from God. Your words of hate can only come from one place and it is the opposite of God, period."

Not one single individual who suffered and died in this attack deserved it at all. This attack was 100% undeserved, and there is nothing in this universe that will ever convince me otherwise. This attack was pure and unmitigated evil, and completely against God’s will. FALWELL YOU ARE WRONG!

In his defense Mr. Falwell now has on his web site a most insincere apology, saying the timing was bad. Well, there is NEVER a right time for such hatefulness! The timing is always bad for this kind of rubbish.

I write these words, not just for myself but for all that cherish the freedoms we hold dear in this great land. I write these words of truth, not just out of personal outrage, but for the sake of all the disenfranchised by the heartless hate peddlers. Hate is not the answer, and hate is all that Jerry Falwell has to offer, so he does not have the answer to anything. If you also feel that such regurgitation from the mouth of this self-righteous hate monger should be pointed out as the lies that they are, then pass this e-mail on to as many folks as you can. Spread the word that FALWELL IS WRONG!

An outraged citizen of the United States of America

This polarised exchange between 'dove' physicists Dr Fred Alan Wolf and 'hawk' Dr Jack Sarfatti seem typical of the conversations going on right now over the NY tragedy. Maybe we can all learn somethuing from it?

Regards, Dave Haith visions@ntlworld.com

Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 10:33 PM

Subject: Jack Sarfatti's Reply to Fred Alan Wolf on Attack on America

>Fred:

The War on Violence: Think about It >

> Like the "war on drugs," that president Reagan declared two or more > decades ago, our president has declared > a "war on violence." Like that previous war that continues with no end > in sight, this war will continue as well. > We can't stop drugs using the warfare vision, can we stop massive acts > of violence in the same vision? Think > about it. > I began this essay with the above oxymoronic title to indicate to > ourselves how harrowing and irrational > such a journey into the depths of hell will be. Violence against > violence can serve no one in this case. It won't > stop violence any more than Reagan's "war on drugs" stopped drug use. > Why not? Because the enemy is not just > someone "out there" on the other side of the world as we presently > believe. The enemy can be found in our own > thoughts and fears.

> > Jack:

Fred this is the same kind of New Age psychobabble that Gary Zukav > is spouting. All you are doing is weakening American resolve. Sure, we > are not going to eradicate all violence, but we must attempt Right > Action along with compassion, controlling our hate and instinct for > revenge. You and Gary and George et-al essentially forget Justice and > Right Action. All The King's Men must, will, and are, take intelligent > steps to eradicate the World Terrorist Network and, thereby lessen the > chances of a repeat of September 11, 2001. We cannot just sit back and > do nothing chanting mantras for the next wave the second punch that > could be nuclear, biochemical - we could all be dead in the blink of an > eye like those 5,000 + at WTC, at Pentagon, and in the field in > Pennsylvania. San Francisco can be only a memory among the few > miserable survivors of bin Laden's Russian suitcase nukes. He would have > done this already it he could. It is only a matter of time, and Bush > must try to stop it. Let's all hope he will or we will simple cease to > exist. There is clear and present danger to every major city in America > at this moment. That's the fact. This is war. What would you have done > in 1941, what about Hitler? It's exactly the same today. bin Laden and > his crew are as bad as Hitler and would not hesitate to blow nukes on > America if he could. Given Russia today he may be able to.

> > >Fred:

It just may be that bin Laden really did not orchestrate the > devastation against our life, liberty, and > pursuit of material gains that we believe bring happiness. Don't get me > wrong here, and don't misunderstand > me. Whether bin Laden is a "war criminal" or not I leave in the hands of > world jurisprudence. He may be as bad > as we think him to be. But there is a deeper issue here. >

Think about it before you begin to lash out against any who ask you > to pause and think, and then think the > "unthinkable" that even now peace is the answer and action based on > bringing peace and well-being to all of > our neighbors, even if they harbor hatred against us, may be the only > weapon we really have. > Many of you have not seen how the other and greater half of us > really live in this world. I have seen much of > it and I can tell you that we in the "Western" part of the world are > living our lives out of balance with the > rest of the world. That imbalance of material wealth, that few of us > worldwide enjoy, causes more than > misery to others; it takes away their will to live and makes them > subject to a vision that life in heaven at the > side of some god of their fantasy will be much better than this life. > And they are most likely correct, no > matter what comes to them in the afterlife. > Think about it. Think about how desperate your life would need to > become before you would consider such > an action as taking your own life and in that action punishing as many > people as you can by taking their lives > with you. Now imagine that while this thought of suicide is unthinkable > to you, that there are, perhaps > numbering in the thousands and maybe even higher, people who think this > every day of their lives, as their > waking day begins and as it ends at night falling to sleep. > These people live everywhere there is a deep poverty of spirit. They > live in America, England, France, Israel, > Afghanistan, India, Pakistan, Africa, China, Tibet, and many more > countries. So what can we do about it? Can > we "route them out" meanwhile leave the environments that bred them > intact? How can we help? > I admit I have no quick answer; I feel as helpless as many of you > do. Yet, I feel in my heart that we need to > change the way we think and feel about what life is really about, I mean > your life, and that perhaps this > nightmare of disaster has been provided for us to wake us up to a new > vision of ourselves and of our > neighbors. > Think about this. There is one soul here living through each one of > us and what happens to any of us affects > all of us. Think about it, those others out there are all you. They are > not just your brothers and sisters, > mothers and fathers, cousins and strangers, but you. Think with > compassion. Don't make the mistake of > believing that those who commit suicidal acts of violence are crazy, > mad, or insane. Do not think of them as > "terrorists." Think of them as people. Think of them as you in the > lowest despair you can imagine. > Ask those who we have entrusted to govern us to also engage in > extending the hand of help to others right > now, even in Afghanistan and in Pakistan. We are prepared to spend > hundreds of billions of dollars to go to > war. Can we find some way to spend half of that, to begin with, to "go > to peace." Please think about it-with > your hearts and minds not with your guts and muscle. >

> Jack:

Perhaps but we must take Right Action now and Bush is trying to do > that. There must also be closure for the families of the 5000 + dead and > the additional ~ 5000 + injured and traumatized. >

> Your "go to peace" is a mere cliche slogan. What does it really mean in > terms of pragmatic action?

> > If you can give a real meaning to "go to peace" in terms of policy and > Right Action with Justice, then let's hear it. Pious words are not > enough any more than Hal Puthoff's handwaving about PV explaining UFOS > is enough in that field. Talking about UFO blue shifts with a theory > that gives numbers too small by several tens of powers of ten is no > good. Neither is your "go to peace" slogan that lulls the gullible into > a false sense of peace whilst they are slaughtered passively like the > Jews going to the ovens without actively resisting their murderers. > That's what "go to peace" meant back then in Poland et-al in the > Holocaust that Nick Herbert argues never happened to 6,000,000 Jews, or > if it did was not so bad, and even if it was bad, it was the Jew's fault > anyway, just like it is America's fault for letting CIA train bin Laden, > just like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell say America got what it > deserved, that God punished America on September 11, 2001. This is all > of it Cargo Cult pseudoscientific and pseudospiritual psychobabble based > on an alien hugger "toxic cosmology" starting with our own "Space-Time > and Beyond" that drove Dan Smith and others off the wall, from Esalen > and Werner's est in the 70's which, you, Gary Zukav, Frijof Capra and a > lot of other of people we know bought hook, line and stinker. You have > all been propagating this toxic cosmology for 25 years. I partly > catalyzed it in my own stupidity at the time. Joe Firmage is the latest > victim of this nonsense pissing away millions and millions of dollars > these past two years on silly con carney as seen in the Profits > Conference, in State of the World Bore 'em, in the Templeton Conference, > on Oprah and many similar New Age Fluff Fests that numb critical reason > in the Dumbing Down of America. And, no George I am not a Right Winger. >

> Who are the American Mullahs Today?

(some witting the rest simply > stupid) >

> - the mirror images of bin Laden's Mullahs spreading toxic cosmology to > the fatuous like psychic Jim Jones Electric Kool Aid Cocktails that do > to the mind what the other did to the body. >

> Here is Sarfatti's List "I've got a little list. Of society offenders > who might well be under ground." :-) (Mikado) > > Pat Robertson - on the right > > Jerry Falwell - on the right > > Michael Savage (Weiner) - on the right. > > Gary Zukav - on the ???? > > Fritjof Capra on the left (Green Party) > > Fred Alan Wolf - on the left (Peace and Freedom Party) > > Joe Firmage on the ???? > > Nick Herbert -on the right (apologist for Israel Shamir and David > Irving) > > Barbara marx Hubbard - on the left > > Danny Sheehan - on the left > > Jim Garrison - on the left > > George Weissmann - on the left > > are the one's that come to mind instantly. > > Ira Einhorn would have been on this list had he not done what he did > whatever that was.

> > Some of you may have the sense to wake up before we all are murdered > like the 5,000 in WTC and Pentagon. >

> All of us, everyone of you are in immediate mortal danger from the bin > Laden gang and don't you forget it.

> > > Best Wishes,

> > Fred Alan Wolf, Ph.D.

> Have Brains /

> >Jack: Really? :-)

>

In May of THIS YEAR, Bush sent $43 million to the Taliban, according to a May 22 article by Robert Scheer in the Los Angeles Times.

See

http://www.robertscheer.com/1_natcolumn/01_columns/052201.htm for the article.

Tuesday, 18 September, 2001, 11:17 GMT 12:17 UK Spy satellites retasked

By BBC News Online science editor Dr David Whitehouse US spy satellites have been given new instructions to concentrate their attention on Afghanistan and the search for Osama Bin Laden, and groups associated with him, sources have told BBC News Online.

So-called Signal Intelligence (Sigint) satellites, designed to intercept radio and mobile phone traffic, have been "retasked", as have two "Big Bird" satellites that take high-resolution images.

The use of Sigint satellites marks a departure from normal procedure, as they are not usually used to gather intelligence about dissident groups.

BBC News Online also understands that US military sources have also made approaches to two commercial satellite operators, to use data from two private imaging satellites that will be launched in the next few weeks.

Following conversations

The so-called "retasking" of spy satellites is an unusual step that reflects the seriousness of the response to the hijack plane attacks on New York and Washington DC.

Sigint satellites monitor electromagnetic signals and send them to sophisticated listening posts scattered over the globe where they are relayed to supercomputers in the US for analysis.

Quickbird could be used by the military

In co-operation with the Echelon phone, fax and e-mail monitoring system that is also searching for evidence of subversive activity, the Sigint data are analysed using sophisticated programs that allow information to be extracted from the jumbled signals. It is thought that when conditions are favourable, individual mobile phone conversations can be followed.

The main suspect identified by the US for last Tuesday's attacks, Osama Bin Laden, is said not to use mobile phones, for fear of being eavesdropped. But US military officials are clearly hoping that they may intercept some phone coverage, a task that should be helped by the small size and sparse communications infrastructure in Afghanistan - the country where Bin Laden is thought to reside.

Big Bird spy satellites are also returning high-resolution images back to the offices of the Pentagon's National Reconnaissance Organisation in Washington DC.

These images, able to detect individual people, will also be studied by computer to spot movements that could help analysts pinpoint Bin Laden.

Private help

Military officials are also considering using the capabilities of two private satellites that will be launched in the next few weeks.

The first of these, Orbimage-4, is due to be put into orbit on 21 September from California.

Orbimage-4

This is a private remote-sensing satellite with unique capabilities. It carries a camera that takes images in 200 spectral bands - designed to analyse surface composition.

Military analysts are considering whether it could be used to see through camouflage, which is often used by those on the ground who do not want their activities exposed by spy satellites passing overhead.

The other satellite, Quickbird, to be operated by Digitalglobe, is set for launch on 18 October. It will have the greatest resolution of any non-military satellite. Able to see detail smaller than a metre, Quickbird could be used when military spy satellites are not in the correct place.

Subject: Great Britan Stands Behind USA

Dear Americans: Recently a friend of mine who is from Great Britain told me the following after a telephone call from her mother who lives in London. The act of cowardice, this act of terrorism has not gone unnoticed in the entire free world. At first glance one would just think that it is us versus them, but its not. Others have come to us in our hour of need and have rallied around the greatest free nation on, the United States of America. As I drive down my neighborhoods streets I see a prodigious amount of American flags flying, stores are sold out and manufactures can hardly keep up with the demand, but did you know that it's not only the people in America who are wiping these flags of the shelves? My friend tells me that during a recent football game in England that the players were wearing black arm bands in which to show support for those who died at the hands of these cowards, these terrorists who attacked American unprovoked. American flags are flying all over Great Britain below and abreast of the long lived union jack flag. During a recent church service where the Queen of England was worshiping the American flag was present. All of the people United Kingdom had three full minutes silence, machinery shut down at factories, the national power station was at its lowest power production for the first time since World War II. Newscasters are keeping up with and advising the English people of the horrors of this attack as it unfolds. My fellow Americans, we are united with all of the free nations in the world we have their support and I for one am proud to welcome them aboard in an all out effort to stop these cowardly acts. Terrorist say they are waging war, I say they are cowards afraid to face an armed enemy on the true battle field. Any one, I say any one can kill a mass of unarmed civilians and those that do are cowards. These cowards are not soldiers, they are not waging war they are to afraid to wage a true war and to do battle like true warriors do. They are cowards and they do it in the name of Allah! To all of the people in the Untied Kingdom and to all of those other nations who have shown their support of the USA during this time of our need, I salute you and I thank you for that support.

Roy Hutchings

Minden, NV

Sir / Madam VePres9792:

I love this country but I'm not completely deaf, dumb and blind. Intelligence reports say that the Gulf War embittered bin Laden against America because of the American presence that war created in the Persian Gulf. Before the Gulf War, bin Laden was a friend of America who received lots of $$$ from this country in his fight against the Soviets.

Bush now asserts that bin Laden is an old-fashioned, simple enemy of freedom! This explanation sidesteps the fact that it was Bush's war in bin Laden's holy land that pissed him off and that bin Laden was America's friend of freedom before the Gulf War.

The gut pulling media blitz to unify America with support for Bush's fight against bin Laden's ideals is simplistic and primal advertising. Bin Laden is fall-out from the Gulf War waged by Bush Senior, but the roots are much deeper.

I've noticed that many people I talk to aren't buying Bush's media campaign. Perhaps you should consider the totality of facts in this matter, including the $$$ that America poured in bin Laden a decade ago.

Bin Laden must be brought to justice, but he didn't arrive at this precarious point in history all by himself. And George W. Bush didn't never really won a presidential election by himself either. There's some responsibility to be considered by all involved.

Regards,

Krsanna

Thank you for your voice of reason in this case. I will pass along a post I forwarded to the TimeStar egroup for consideration. This is only an observation.

While we're on-watch for the Death eclipse's end later this month, and in the midst of turmoil created by Osama bin Laden's attack on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, I'd like to make an observation. Much of America is debating the issues and searching for clues about the bombings instead of chewing up the media blitz. And that's a very, very good sign.

Bush asserts that bin Laden attacked freedom with the bombing of the World Trade Center. In fact, the World Trade Center is not a symbol of freedom. According to analyst reports, America's presence in the Persian Gulf is what turned bin Laden into an enemy. Before the Gulf War, bin Laden was a friend of freedom and America financed his war against Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. George Bush's war turned bin Laden into an enemy of America by actions against what bin Laden considers his holy land.

Bin Laden clearly did not arrive at his precarious place in history all by himself. And Bush never won the presidential election for the position he holds. The sitting president lost the popular election and assumed his position only because the state his brother governs could not count their votes accurately in a reasonable time.

The bin Laden crisis began 10 years ago with the Gulf War and brought another trend to my attention that also began 10 years ago. A resurgence of radical, fundamentalist religious factions began concerted efforts to rise again in America and the Middle East at about the same time. I had overlooked this fact until the present crisis brought the roots of the problem back to my attention.

Newt Gingrich's campaign for a Christian Congress blossomed around the same time the Taliban started making real inroads into Afghanistan. Is this just a sign of the times? Or is there an effort to control global politics through extremist religious movements?

Fortunately, the designers of the Christian Congress have mostly retired by now, after some several made appalling public admissions of their sins with women. The American Constitution clearly separated Church and State with religious diversity guaranteed by the First Amendment. The resurgence of religious fervor from right-wing Christians in an organized effort to take over Congress at the time of the Gulf War was shocking

The Taliban has launched a campaign against women that has produced depression and suicide among women, according to several articles I've read. The hatred generated by those associated wtih the Taliban is witnessed in the World Trade Center and Pentagon bombings.

The question that we must examine is whether these religious revivals are end-times cleansings or an organized effort to control global politics through the mechanism of religion.

Krsanna

Best wishes to all those in NYC and Washington affected by the terrorist attacks. I just returned from two days in New York visiting a friend, and write some of these words as the Acela train speeds me back to Boston; it was incredible and harrowing, but actually being there helped me to absorb the reality. Nevertheless, only a few blocks from the WTC, things are surprisingly normal now - they're already selling tasteless commemorative t-shirts, and the cafes and restaurants and shops were quite busy only a day after the evacuation zone was moved from 14th to Canal St (I strenuously obeyed the mayor's command to help revitalize the NYC economy by spending lots of money). We stood by the checkpoint at the end of Canal St and cheered the recovery workers coming off shift, and walked round to Gold St which is a few blocks from Liberty Plaza. I was surprised that although there was still a lot of smoke rising in the air from the smoldering fires, there was no problem with dust or smell from where we were. It's grim, but it could have been orders of magnitude worse - all kudos to the structural engineers who built WTC well enough to let all those thousands escape.

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I think people are too steeped in conspiracies to see what the real truth is.....this was commit by evil people with evil minds that don't like to see people live a free life and they are steeped in their own type of religion that they believe is from God but is from their own egos believing a lie that was conceived in their own evil minds.

I for one do not believe in conspiracies of any kind whether they are from terrestial means or extra-terrestial......I think a lot of people let their imaginations run wild with them when something like this happens that all they can think of is that someone has a motive that is a dark secret kept from the general public and that a few they call the illuminti are only privy to....

There has been more blood letting and hatreds in the name of God that is not from God at all but from those groups that have evil intents on their minds to control the masses from fears. I don't know what kind of a God they are listening to, but I for one do not and will not serve a God like that.

That's my take on it....Jim

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Today's Feature Article • Saturday, September 15, 2001

Liberty Implodes At The World Trade Center -- by Gordon Phillips

INFORM AMERICA! joins the nation in mourning the tragic and senseless murder of thousands of our fellow Americans and others, victims of the recent despicable and cowardly acts of senseless terrorism.

In an attempt to begin to understand what actually happened both on the surface and behind the scenes, this issue of THE INFORMED AMERICAN brings you a compilation of selected essays and articles on the events of September 11,

2001.Â

I do not necessarily agree with all of the opinions expressed, nor can I confirm some of the allegations made, however the spectrum of viewpoints provides food for serious thought.

To put some recent, related events in perspective before continuing, it is now well known that the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City collapsed from strategically placed internal demolition charges, detonated simultaneously along with the ANFO 'show' bomb in the Ryder truck parked out front. Who placed those internal charges? Who financed the operatives? Cui bono?

It is also well known that TWA Flight 800 -- the 'exploding center fuel tank' myth notwithstanding -- was hit by a missile fired from a boat which then sped away, as seen by satellite surveillance and literally hundreds of eyewitnesses along the Long Island coastline whom the FBI never bothered to interview. Who fired the missile? And was it one of the shoulder-launched varieties known to be missing from U.S. military inventory?Â

It is less well known that U.S. intelligence agency operatives entered the Waco church during the early phases of the contrived conflagration to assassinate uncooperative CIA 'sleeper' Vernon Howell and other ranking church officials, all of whom were later found at autopsy to have single gunshot wounds to the back of the head. These "wet ops" commandos then directed automatic weapons fire against terrified Davidians fleeing the back of the church.Â

Was this a CIA operation gone awry? Did the FBI lie to us during televised press briefings being conducted while the "siege" was still underway? For the facts, read Attorney Paul Wilcher's explosive letter to Janet Reno in which he informed the Attorney General that several intelligence operatives were willing to come forward and tell the truth about Waco and other covert operations, but that their lives would need protecting. Several weeks after mailing that letter, Paul Wilcher was found dead in his apartment, sitting on the toilet. He had been dead of a "heart attack" for days before being placed there.

It is even less well known that JFK Jr.’s plane exploded seconds before diving into the Atlantic, as also viewed by witnesses on Martha's Vineyard who to this day have still not been interviewed by the FBI. Could the same machievellian forces who murdered the father have also murdered the son, 40 years later?

Bottom line: Is it possible that Americans continue to be attacked by enemies both within and without? And is truth once again the first victim?

The intricately designed World Trade Center skyscrapers were built to withstand hurricane winds, earthquakes and direct impact by high speed jetliners -- but they were not designed to withstand implosions.Â

Once the support columns in a building have been severed, it cannot stand. Hence, the fascinating implosion coverage we’ve all see on television when an obsolete building is brought down, smooth as silk, by timed demolition charges -- often right in the middle of a dense downtown area. There is no collateral damage. It just drops is place. All that remains is a cloud of dust.

The WTC towers were also designed to suppress infernos through an extensive fire repression system using a chemically-treated watered sprinkler system supplied from enormous gravity-fed rooftop reservoirs.Â

A half-hour after the second tower was struck, the fire in the first building had already gone out -- still smoldering and emitting thick black smoke, but with no flame visible. Yet with no such fire-suppression system in place, the crash at the Pentagon burned for hours.

Suddenly, just a short time apart, and as if out of nowhere, both buildings suddenly begin to spontaneously collapse in smoothly traveling waves, at equal speeds, from the top of each building down.

Note that neither tower broke off intact and collapsed into other buildings. Most of the debris fell inwards. All of the structural members are destroyed in a smooth pattern with no skeleton left remaining. The damage is symmetric, total and complete.

Now what is the mathematical probability of BOTH buildings spontaneously collapsing, precisely in the same identical manner, as if on cue?Â

Then the third building, reported to have been "engulfed in flames" also collapses! Was it also hit by a plane? Did it fall out of sympathy? Did a Ryder truck park it front of its doors? Was it frightened into collapsing?

There is far more here than meets the eye. And like Waco, OKC, TWA 800 and other "incidents", the truth may never be known.

Meanwhile, watch for these latest acts of predicted terrorism to be used to brainwash Americans into further exchanging their priceless civil liberties for a more 'safe and secure' future life in a police state where all protection will be "allowed" to come from government itself. "

Never mind that one can only imagine how inclined future terrorists armed with box cutters would be to hijack an airliner filled with 200 passengers all enjoying a relaxing flight -- with a loaded semi-auto nestled in each purse and pocket.

We are told that suicidal fanatics with boxcutters "herded" unarmed passengers and crew members into the back of the planes, killed several of them, then flew the planes into the Pentagon and the World Trade Center, slaughtering thousands of innocent people.Â

The operative word here is "herded". Let that word sink in. Herded, like cattle, like sheep, like concentration camp prisoners, into the back of the planes.

What would you have done under the circumstances? Because herded and unarmed is exactly what you'll be the next time YOU get on an airliner. You'll still be depending on the politicians who brought you Waco, OKC and TWA 800 -- the same bureaucrats who vote time and again to make certain that firearms ownership in America goes the way of Canada, England and Australia -- to protect you. God bless you, America, and good luck.

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"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared" -- Marcus Tullius Cicero 42 BC

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Explosives Planted In Towers, N.M. Tech Expert Says -- by Olivier Uyttebrouck

Albuquerque Journal Staff Writer (http://www.albjournal.com)

Wednesday, September 12, 2001

Televised images of the attacks on the World Trade Center suggest that explosives devices caused the collapse of both towers, a New Mexico Tech explosion expert said Tuesday.Â

The collapse of the buildings appears "too methodical" to be a chance result of airplanes colliding with the structures, said Van Romero, vice president for research at New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology.Â

"My opinion is, based on the videotapes, that after the airplanes hit the World Trade Center there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse," Romero said.Â

Romero is a former director of the Energetic Materials Research and Testing Center at Tech, which studies explosive materials and the effects of explosions on buildings, aircraft and other structures.Â

Romero said he based his opinion on video aired on national television broadcasts. Romero said the collapse of the structures resembled those of controlled implosions used to demolish old structures.Â

"It would be difficult for something from the plane to trigger an event like that," Romero said in a phone interview from Washington, D.C.Â

Romero said he and another Tech administrator were on a Washington-area subway when an airplane struck the Pentagon.Â

He said he and Denny Peterson, vice president for administration and finance, were en route to an office building near the Pentagon to discuss defense-funded research programs at Tech.Â

If explosions did cause the towers to collapse, the detonations could have been caused by a small amount of explosive, he said.Â

"It could have been a relatively small amount of explosives placed in strategic points," Romero said. The explosives likely would have been put in more than two points in each of the towers, he said.Â

The detonation of bombs within the towers is consistent with a common terrorist strategy, Romero said. "One of the things terrorist events are noted for is a diversionary attack and secondary device," Romero said.Â

Attackers detonate an initial, diversionary explosion that attracts emergency personnel to the scene, then detonate a second explosion, he said.Â

Romero said that if his scenario is correct, the diversionary attack would have been the collision of the planes into the towers.Â

Tech President Dan Lopez said Tuesday that Tech had not been asked to take part in the investigation into the attacks. Tech often assists in forensic investigations into terrorist attacks, often by setting off similar explosions and studying the effects.Â

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From: Ragnar Hammerskjold

Received via e-mail, Tuesday, Sep 11, 2001

"We have all heard the feds state there was no forewarning. Our governor [Maryland] held a live press conference earlier today in which he was asked if he knew of this in advance. After an uncomfortable pause, he said that the State had indeed been faxed information that a terrorist attack would occur, and he stated that at least two of the targets listed in the fax were indeed targets hit today. He said when the fax was received, it was immediately turned over to "a federal agency". Someone then quickly ran over and whispered something in his ear, at which point he stated he could make no further comments on the subject and immediately terminated the press interview. Hmmmmm..."

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U.S. Government Had Prior Knowledge Of Emergency -- by Sherman H. Skolnick

http://www.skolnicksreport.com

Sep 12, 2001

America's Reichstag Fire

The most massive so-called "terrorist" attacks on U.S. soil since the Oklahoma City bombings of 1995, were known, a week ahead of time, by the American CIA. Among the foreign intelligence agencies who penetrated the plots were the French CIA and Israel's The Mossad, units of both often working with one another.

Foreign intelligence sources confirm the validity of this story. And they state that they informed the U.S. secret police who absolutely failed, neglected, and outright refused to take action as to known prior specifics of which the top-level of the CIA were informed in advance.

As made known to the CIA, were the following, among other details:

[1] That George Herbert Walker Bush, as President, at the close of the Persian Gulf War, 1991, arranged to bring into the U.S. some four thousand Iraqi military officers, some from intelligence units, and their families.

[2] Some 550 of these officers became residents in Lincoln, Nebraska, AND TWO THOUSAND OF THEM took up residence in Oklahoma City. In a watered down story, CBS' "60 Minutes" Program did a segment once on this about Lincoln, Nebraska but said NOTHING about the Iraqi military officers in Oklahoma City.

[3] The financial and other provisions for them and their families were arranged by the Elder Bush, and then quietly continued by Bill Clinton as President, and perpetuated by George W. Bush as White House "resident" and "occupant". The arrangements included financial subsidies, housing, and employment for the Iraqi officers.

[A brave Oklahoma City TV Reporter, Jayna Davis, on their local TV station, put on the air several stories about the Iraqi connection to the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Building, the bombing done with the aid of domestic dissidents as surrogates. A group bought out the TV station and silenced her. Timothy McVeigh's chief defense counsel for the murder trial, Stephen Jones, on behalf of McVeigh, filed an extra-ordinary petition in the next higher court, just prior to the murder trial. To no avail, Jones tried to force Denver U.S. District Judge Richard Matsch to compel the American CIA to disgorge records held by them showing prior U.S. knowledge of the bombing, as confirmed by other known records, some of them also in secret court records. We have a copy of the 185 page U.S. Court of Appeals, 10th Circuit, petition filed by Jones and almost uniformly ignored by the American monopoly press. The petition raises the Iraqi connection.]

[4] The foreign intelligence agencies informed the American CIA that guns would be planted on-board as many as ten U.S. commercial airflights. This to be done by airplane clean-up crew members who are generally not subject to airport security provisions. These workers most likely did not know the purpose of the gun-planting.

[5] The CIA also was informed prior to the "terrorist" attacks scheduled for "911" Emergency Day [September 11], that highly skilled Iraqi pilots, among the four thousand Iraqi officers resident in the U.S., would take over the commercial flights, by retrieving the weapons concealed onboard, and then commandeering the flight deck.

[6] The Elder Bush, Clinton, and George W. Bush, all were in a position to know that the Iraqi officers that they provided for included some double-agents. The FBI Counter-Intelligence Division at no time was instructed to do anything about these double-agents in a position to commit mischief, murder, and mayhem, on U.S. soil.

[7] As I revealed a week prior to the "terrorist" attacks, some foreign television networks were busy preparing lengthy documentaries that would scandalize George W. Bush and other members of the Bush Family, including the Elder Bush and Jeb Bush. The subject matter included how forty million dollars in dope funds were used by the Bush Family to reportedly corrupt South Florida DEMOCRATS to abandon the recount even ahead of the U.S. Supreme Court ruling installing George W. Bush as the "resident" and "occupant" of the White House. The dope funds came reportedly from Bush Family business partner, Carlos Lehder, co-founder of the U.S./Colombia medellin dope cartel. [Visit our website story, "Chandra Levy Affair, Part Two".] I discussed this on radio talk shows.

[8] As part of the targeting of the World Trade Center buildings, a group of surrogates for the Iraqi military officers, reportedly spent considerable time within one of the buildings, with building security officers somehow oblivious of their presence.

[9] As the CIA top officials were informed and had prior knowledge, the purpose of the "terrorist" attacks was to effectively paralyze the financial infrastructure of the U.S. Some of the most important stock and bond houses in the world, with their key people having loads of inside knowledge and hard to replace trading tricks and expertise, were located in the known-to-be-targeted twin towers of the World Trade Center, New York City. It was like blowing up the main "financial factory" and destroying their inventory. The so-called "back-up" records kept parked across the river in New Jersey, are not only inadequate but cannot help reconstruct various accounts and transactions in the works.

Financial experts tell us the "back up" records parked in New Jersey, may NOT be sufficient to re-start the American financial apparatus. Some of the experts are loudly grumbling that they should have early on seen Federal Reserve Czar Alan Greenspan on the television explaining about the financial ramifications. Of course, some suppose that Americans would panic and run out of control. So we are dealt with like little children.

[10] It is a serious mistake, according to savvy American and foreign intelligence sources, to blame the Emergency all on Osama bin Laden. As readers of our website are aware, we have long pointed out that bin Laden is reportedly in the Mid-East Construction business. His reputed partners? The family of Sharon PERCY Rockefeller. She is the wife of John D. Rockefeller 4th (D., W.Va.), great grandson of the founder of the infamous Standard Oil Trust that used to bomb their own obsolete buildings to falsely blame onto their competitors. Bin Laden's so-called "secret" accounts, which the White House has said they would like to freeze, are or have been actually reportedly in the Harris Bank, Chicago, joint accounts with the family of Sharon PERCY Rockefeller.

[11] The Saudi Royal Family actually consists of some five thousand members, some of whom actually are for the U.S. and some anti-U.S. Some of them have bankrolled Iraq's war against Iran, 1980 to 1988, to destroy some oil facilities and keep the price of oil HIGH. The foreign intelligence agencies, that penetrated the plots to be carried out on U.S. soil, are aware that some of the Saudi royals are actually sympathetic to the Iraqis destroying the World Trade Center Buildings and in part, wrecking the Pentagon. [As if the American CIA did not ALREADY have their own knowledge of this.]

Whenever there is a political assassination or some other unusual violent event, what is the key question the oil-soaked, spy-riddled monopoly press ALWAYS fails to ask? WHO BENEFITS. With a scandal about to break against George W. Bush, he and his circle had an interest NOT to stop these things from happening. And to divert attention. The White House has a strong motive to silence critics and urge people TO RALLY AROUND THE PRESIDENT. Simple-minded folks, of course, often poorly informed, o not understand how the ruling classes would shed the blood of thousands if not millions of innocent people, in some instigated war, to avoid dealing with the apparent on-coming economic disasters.

In the midst of this prior-knowledge emergency, who dares now to point to the Bush Family as reputed business partners of the major kingpin, Carlos Lehder, of the U.S./Colombia medellin dope cartel? Or how huge dope money bought the Electoral College trick in Florida and corrupted the U.S. Supreme Court's "gang of five".

This is America's REICHSTAG fire. Adolph Hitler burned down the German parliament and falsely blamed his enemies and had them rounded up and put in the concentration camps. Has the U.S. Constitution now been revoked? More coming. Stay tuned.Â

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"There are two views of history: (1) History happens by accident or (2) It is planned. The general public is taught that history happens by accident. However, the upper echelons... know that history is planned." -- R.E. McMaster, Jr., The Power of Total Perspective.

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Fake Terror: The Road To Dictatorship -- by Jim Robinson, Free RepublicÂ

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/index.html

September 11, 2001

It's the oldest trick in the book, dating back to Roman times; creating the enemies you need.Â

In 70 BC, an ambitious minor politician and extremely wealthy man, Marcus Licineus Crassus, wanted to rule Rome. Just to give you an idea of what sort of man Crassus really was, he is credited with invention of the fire brigade. But in Crassus' version, his fire-fighting slaves would race to the scene of a burning building whereupon Crassus would offer to buy it on the spot for a tiny fraction of it's worth. If the owner sold, Crassus' slaves would put out the fire. If the owner refused to sell, Crassus allowed the building to burn to the ground. By means of this device, Crassus eventually came to be the largest single private landholder in Rome, and used some of his wealth to help back Julius Caesar against Cicero.Â

In 70 BC Rome was still a Republic, which placed very strict limits on what Rulers could do, and more importantly NOT do. But Crassus had no intentions of enduring such limits to his personal power, and contrived a plan.Â

Crassus seized upon the slave revolt led by Sparticus in order to strike terror into the hearts of Rome, whose garrison Sparticus had already defeated in battle. But Sparticus had no intention of marching on Rome itself, a move he knew to be suicidal. Sparticus and his band wanted nothing to do with the Roman empire and had planned from the start merely to loot enough money from their former owners in the Italian countryside to hire a mercenary fleet in which to sail to freedom.Â

Sailing away was the last thing Crassus wanted Sparticus to do. He needed a convenient enemy with which to terrorize Rome itself for his personal political gain. So Crassus bribed the mercenary fleet to sail without Sparticus, then positioned two Roman legions in such a way that Sparticus had no choice but to march on Rome.Â

Terrified of the impending arrival of the much-feared army of gladiators, Rome declared Crassus Praetor. Crassus then crushed Sparticus' army and even though Pompeii took the credit, Crassus was elected Consul of Rome the following year.Â

With this maneuver, the Romans surrendered their Republican form of government. Soon would follow the first Triumvirate, consisting of Crassus, Pompeii, and Julius Caesar, followed by the reign of the god-like Emperors of Rome. The Romans were hoaxed into surrendering their Republic, and accepting the rule of Emperors.Â

Julius Caesar's political opponent, Cicero, for all his literary accomplishments, played the same games in his campaign against Julius Caesar, claiming that Rome was falling victim to an internal "vast right wing" conspiracy in which any expressed desire for legislative limits on government was treated as suspicious behavior. Cicero, in order to demonstrate to the Romans just how unsafe Rome has become hired thugs to cause as much disturbance as possible, and campaigned on a promise to end the internal strife if elected and granted extraordinary powers.Â

What Cicero only dreamed of, Adolph Hitler succeeded in doing. Elected Chancellor of Germany, Hitler, like Crassus, had no intention of living with the strict limits to his power imposed by German law. Unlike Cicero, Hitler's thugs were easy to recognize; they all wore the same brown shirts. But their actions were no different than those of their Roman predecessors. They staged beatings, set fires, caused as much trouble as they could, while Hitler made speeches promising that he could end the crime wave of subversives and terrorism if he was granted extraordinary powers.Â

The Germans were hoaxed into surrendering their Republic, and accepting the rule of Der Fuhrer.Â

The state-sponsored schools will never tell you this, but governments routinely rely on hoaxes to sell their agendas to an otherwise reluctant public. The Romans accepted the Emperors and the Germans accepted Hitler not because they wanted to, but because the carefully crafted illusions of threat appeared to leave no other choice.Â

Our government too uses hoaxes to create the illusion that We The People have no choice but the direction the government wishes us to go in.Â

In 1898, Joseph Pulitzer's New York World and William Randolph Hearst's New York Journal were arguing for American intervention in Cuba. Hearst is reported to have dispatched a photographer to Cuba to photograph the coming war with Spain. When the photographer asked just what war that might be, Hearst is reported to have replied, "You take the photographs, and I will provide the war". Hearst was true to his word, as his newspaper published stories of great atrocities being committed against the Cuban people, most of which turned out to be complete fabrications.Â

On the night of February 15, 1898, the USS Maine, lying in Havana harbor in a show of US resolve to protect her interests, exploded violently. Captain Sigsbee, the commander of the Maine, urged that no assumptions of enemy attack be made until there was a full investigation of the cause of the explosion. For this, Captain Sigsbee was excoriated in the press for "refusing to see the obvious". The Atlantic Monthly declared flat out that to suppose the explosion to be anything other than a deliberate act by Spain was "completely at defiance of the laws of probability".Â

Under the slogan "Remember the Maine", Americans went to war with Spain, eventually winning the Phillipines (and annexing Hawaii along the way).Â

In 1975, an investigation led by Admiral Hyman Rickover examined the data recovered from a 1911 examination of the wreck and concluded that there had been no evidence of an external explosion. The most likely cause of the sinking was a coal dust explosion in a coal bunker imprudently located next to the ship's magazines. Captain Sigsbee's caution had been well founded.Â

President Franklin Delano Roosevelt needed a war. He needed the fever of a major war to mask the symptoms of a still deathly ill economy struggling back from the Great Depression (and mutating towards Socialism at the same time). Roosevelt wanted a war with Germany to stop Hitler, but despite several provocations in the Atlantic, the American people, still struggling with that troublesome economy, were opposed to any wars. Roosevelt violated neutrality with lend lease, and even ordered the sinking of several German ships in the Atlantic, but HItler refused to be provoked.Â

Roosevelt needed an enemy, and if America would not willingly attack that enemy, then one would have to be maneuvered into attacking America, much as Marcus Licinius Crassus has maneuvered Sparticus into attacking Rome.Â

The way open to war was created when Japan signed the tripartite agreement with Italy and Germany, with all parties pledging mutual defense to each other. Whereas Hitler would never declare war on the United States no matter the provocation, the means to force Japan to do so were readily at hand.Â

The first step was to place oil and steel embargoes on Japan, using Japan's wars on the Asian mainland as a reason. This forced Japan to consider seizing the oil and mineral rich regions in Indonesia. With the European powers militarily exhausted by the war in Europe, the United States was the only power in the Pacific able to stop Japan from invading the Dutch East Indies, and by moving the Pacific fleet from San Diego to Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, Roosevelt made a pre-emptive strike on that fleet the mandatory first step in any Japanese plan to extend it's empire into the "southern resource area".Â

Roosevelt boxed in Japan just as completely as Crassus had boxed in Sparticus. Japan needed oil. They had to invade Indonesia to get it, and to do that they first had to remove the threat of the American fleet at Pearl Harbor. There never really was any other course open to them.Â

To enrage the American people as much as possible, Roosevelt needed the first overt attack by Japan to be as bloody as possible, appearing as a sneak attack much as the Japanese had done to the Russians. From that moment up until the attack on Pearl Harbor itself, Roosevelt and his associates made sure that the commanders in Hawaii, General Short and Admiral Kimmel, were kept in the dark as much as possible about the location of the Japanese fleet and it's intentions, then later scapegoated for the attack. (Congress recently exonerated both Short and Kimmel, posthumously restoring them to their former ranks).Â

But as the Army board had concluded at the time, and subsequent de-classified documents confirmed, Washington DC knew the attack was coming, knew exactly where the Japanese fleet was, and knew where it was headed.Â

On November 29th, Secretary of State Hull showed United Press reporter Joe Leib a message with the time and place of the attack, and the New York Times in it's special 12/8/41 Pearl Harbor edition, on page 13, reported that the time and place of the attack had been known in advance!Â

The much repeated claim that the Japanese fleet maintained radio silence on it's way to Hawaii was a lie. Among other intercepts still held in the Archives of the NSA is the UNCODED message sent by the Japanese tanker Shirya stating, "proceeding to a position 30.00 N, 154.20 E. Expect to arrive at that point on 3 December." (near HI)Â

President Lyndon Johnson wanted a war in Vietnam. He wanted it to help his friends who owned defense companies to do a little business. He needed it to get the Pentagon and CIA to quit trying to invade Cuba. And most of all, he needed a provocation to convince the American people that there was really "no other choice".Â

On August 5, 1964, newspapers across America reported "renewed attacks" against American destroyers operating in Vietnamese waters, specifically the Gulf of Tonkin. The official story was that North Vietnamese torpedo boats launched an "unprovoked attack" on the USS Maddox while it was on "routine patrol".Â

The truth is that USS Maddox was involved in aggressive intelligence gathering in coordination with actual attacks by South Vietnam and the Laotian Air Force against targets in North Vietnam. The truth is also that there was no attack by torpedo boats against the USS Maddox. Captain John J. Herrick, the task force commander in the Gulf, cabled Washington DC that the report was the result of an "over-eager" sonarman who had picked up the sounds of his own ship's screws and panicked. But even with this knowledge that the report was false, Lyndon Johnson went on national TV that night to announce the commencement of air strikes against North Vietnam, "retaliation" for an attack that had never occurred.Â

President George Bush wanted a war in Iraq. Like Crassus, George Bush is motivated by money. Specifically oil money. But with the OPEC alliance failing to keep limits on oil production in the Mideast, the market was being glutted with oil pumped from underneath Iraq, which sat over roughly 1/3 of the oil reserves of the entire region.Â

George wanted a war to stop that flow of oil, to keep prices (and profits) from falling any further than they already had. But like Roosevelt, he needed the "other side" to make the first move.Â

Iraq had long been trying to acquire greater access to the Persian Gulf, and felt limited confined a narrow strip of land along Kuwait's northern border, which placed Iraqi interests in close proximity with hostile Iran. George Bush, who had been covertly arming Iraq during its war with Iran, sent word via April Glaspie that the United States would not intervene if Saddam Hussein grabbed a larger part of Kuwait. Saddam fell for the bait and invaded.Â

Of course, Americans were not about to send their sons and daughters to risk their lives for petroleum products. So George Bush arranged a hoax, using public relations firm Hill & Knowlton, which has grown rich on taxpayer money by being most industrious and creative liars! Hill & Knowlton concocted a monumental fraud in which the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador to the United States, went on TV pretending to be a nurse, and related a horror story in which Iraqi troops looted the incubators {For the rest of this letter go to the websitr or contact me.} Jim:

September 18, 2001

Jerry Falwell:

Mr. Falwell, I have never met you, heard you speak (lecture), or even heard your name until last night. It is true, God blesses each and every one of us in different ways.

I am writing you to tell you that I am outraged at what you've recently said on television about Pagans, gays, etc. However, to be fair to you, I went to your web site and read your "apology". And I have a few comments about that pathetic attempt at an "apology".

In your apology on your web site you said, "Despite the impression some may have from news reports over the past several days, I hold no one other than the terrorists, and the people and nations who have enabled and harbored them, responsible for the September 11 attacks on this nation."

Jerry, what does the following statement you made mean then? "I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, 'People for the American Way' --all of them who have tried to secularize America" … "I point the finger in their face and say, ‘You helped this happen!’" "God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve,"

In your apology, you also stated, "I sincerely regret that comments I made during a theological discussion on a Christian television program were taken out of their context and reported, and that my thoughts - reduced to sound bites - have detracted from the spirit of this time of mourning."

I am sure that your comments were "reduced". However, no matter how much they were "reduced", I doubt that they created these hateful words for you. Are you stating that they just erased words in between those words and came up with this ungodly statement? I hope you do not consider the public to be that ignorant.

I would like to point out to you that I am not gay. I am not Pagan and I am not a feminist. I am a person who loves God and tries to love other people. I do not judge gays, Pagans, feminists, Buddhists, etc. I know that it is God's job to do that. It is my job to love Him and trust in Him. It upsets me when I hear people (especially when they claim to be "of God") judging, condemning, and blaming everyone else but themselves for the misery in this world. After all, it was not a Pagan who crashed those planes into the buildings. It was not a lesbian, a feminists, or a woman who aborted her child, either. It was a member of a religious group who believes that his way is the right way. That he must save the world from the other ungodly religious and politicians of the world.

Religious leaders, religious followers -- saving the world. Which, in this case, happened to be killing other evil doers. What will happen in the next century? Will Baptist churches be telling everyone to go out and kill feminists, gays, abortionists, etc.?

In your "apology" you also mentioned how you have raised money for the victims. You've done this and that and more of this and that. Well, thank God for you! What would they ever do without you?? If it was my father, mother, brother, sister, or child in that rubble and your check slipped into my mail box, you would undoubtedly receive it back, unopened.

I hope that God will forgive me for my anger and hatred towards you. But more than that, I hope you will learn to love God and all His children enough to no longer judge them and blame them for all of the evils of this world. If you must be angry, be angry at those who ARE to blame. In this case, that would be a religious group far away. Direct your anger towards the religious groups who cannot seem to live a harmony with the rest of the world.

In the last few years the churches have been asking, "What has happened to the people of the world? Why are our churches no longer filled with people?" Jerry Falwell, it is religious teachers like yourself who have turned them off to religion in churches. And if you don't understand that statement, you would do good to reflect on your actions.

People are tired of the judgment and condemnation they hear in churches. They are tired of the threats of hell for every small sin ever created. They are tired of phony preachers teaching that abortion and being gay is evil. Yet, some of those phony preachers rape choir children or rush out of church to take their daughters to have abortions to cover up their horrible sins. And when next Sunday comes, they are back in church, standing at their podium, preaching at them about the evils of the world and all of the people who need healing. Its surprising to me that church leaders still need to ask, "Where have all of the people gone?"

It is time to stop the madness. It is time to stop judging, because that is God's job. And I'm sure we'll all be surprised at how many "fundamentally religious people" never make it to Heaven, in the end.

Monica Morris

From: owner-samsbest@zilker.net Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 13:34:14 -0600 Subject: (SM) Ten Tips for NWO Living

Please send all followups to this post to: act@fc.net

TEN TIPS

ON HOW TO LIVE IN THE NEW WORLD ORDER

By No. 405-33-1231

1. WATCH LOTS OF TELEVISION. Television pleasantly sublimates the primitive human defense mechanism that can get you in trouble.

2 AVOID TALKING ABOUT RELIGION OR POLITICS. No matter how innocuous your speech may be, it could be misinterpreted and recorded in your Government Personal Thought Dossier.

3. IDENTIFY YOURSELF BY SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER. Use of one's Christian or Family name may be perceived as prideful individualism.......a Class B Felony.

4. PUBLICLY DISOWN FAMILY MEMBERS AND FRIENDS WHO HAVE BEEN COERCIVELY ENROLLED IN RE-EDUCATION CENTERS. NWO Rules of Justice provide for expeditious prosecution and conviction of Guilt by Association.

5. VOTE CORRECTLY. The new FAX, PHONE, and MAIL BALLOTING SYSTEM is carefully monitored by Elections Security Police (ESP) to identify potential dissidents and enemies of the World. Avoid voting for mavericks ----most of whom are sponsored and financed by the World Government Opportunities Agency (WGOA) to bring malcontents out into the open. To assure minimal risk when voting, cast your ballot for incumbents having an A-1 rating by the ADL.

6. ATTEND ALL POLITICALLY-CORRECT RALLIES AND PATRIOTIC FUNCTIONS IN YOUR AREA. To obtain additional merit points, carry a sign which derides viewpoints held by Constitutionalists, Patriot Groups, Fundamentalist Christians and other bigots.

7. MEMORIZE THE OPINIONS OF THE NWO LEADERS AND TELEVISION ANCHOR PERSONS. Reiterate them as if they were your own during all social and business conversations.

8. ATHEISM IS THE SAFEST POLICY. But affiliations with State-Approved religious organizations are permitted, and may be rich fields for business contacts.

9. BE AMONG THE FIRST IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO TURN IN YOUR SPORTING RIFLES when the UNIVERSAL PLOWSHARES ACT goes into effect. You will be well-fed under the terms of THE SOCIAL PAN-AGRICULTURE AND WILDLIFE PROTECTION PROGRAM, hunting will be unnecessary, and possession of firearms of any description after the effective date of UPA will constitute the capitol offense of Aggravated Intent to Commit Homicide.

10.WILLINGLY AND HAPPILY SURRENDER YOUR PARENTAL RIGHTS, participate enthusiastically in the new OBE school program and realize the honor associated with being a breeder and care taker of the first generation to SERVE THE MASTERS in THE NEW WORLD ORDER.

Hi All,

On the 11th, the twin towers of the World Trade Center were destroyed. This apparently was called the Big 11 by New Yorkers - but is there anything more to this than just synchronicity?

There is a lot about this terrible event, that has yet to be revealed. It is just like a Russian Doll, that has other dolls contained within. At present an Arabian fanatic from a rich family, is the FBI's "most wanted", as he is considered to be the instigator behind that terrible outrage.

This seems to forget that his Arabian group, was originally financed by the CIA in order to aid the Taliban in Afghanistan. The USSR was defeated with a loss of 15,000 men twenty years ago, and then the USA abandoned both Afghanistan and Pakistan to their fate.

Anyway, now everybody has been totally conditioned, to see bin Laden as the "guy to get". Those of us who say "let's find the truth" have been accused of "casting the seeds of doubt".

He could well be, the instigator of that mass murder - but we must examine the possibility that there are others behind the scenes. Just like the Kennedy assassination in Dallas, the truth about September 11th, could well be eventually covered up.

At present, people are seeing the victims - and putting the blame on one Muslim fanatic. Nobody has asked this question.... who benefits from this carnage? The New World Order and the international banking system benefits. Also the USA, will be changing to a war economy, and that has already boosted US defense companies. Those who are opposed to the international banking system, will no longer protest outside those well protected powwows. Lastly the State of Israel, has now a greater security, as the Palestine case has been destroyed.

By the way, I still do not know why those bored NYFD firemen, were being shot on video checking Manhattan fire hydrants. Suddenly they looked up, and saw the first jet hit. Maybe, this was the secret government's biggest mistake.

All the best Peter (Froude)

Hi Peter,

You echo my own most cynical suspicions, I also wondered about the 'discovery' of a passport from one of terrorists. Was this not an internal flight? They would carry a passport? a genuine one? How many other passports were found? There are questions here that are just too awful to consider, the Kennedy assassination pales in comparison. I have to ask, would anyone go this far to motivate public opinion? or is it just taking advantage of a situation to 'seed' a little evidence?

Glad to see you are a fellow Bournemouthian

Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter James Froude To: ufonet Sent: 17 September 2001 17:44 Subject: [UFOnet] OSAMA BIN LADEN

Hi All,

Osama Bin Laden, has now been targeted by the USA as the top dog behind the New York and Pentagon outrages. This could well be true, and that individual has now become the biggest enemy of the "civilised world". He is probably hiding now in a cave in Kandahar at present, and desperately E Mailing his frightened friends. Things have changed since Osama Bin Laden was in receipt of CIA funds, during the Afghan War with the USSR - but the Taliban now see him as a liability.

The fact remains, that the 19 mind controlled hijackers, all come from a province of Saudi Arabia - and not the Taliban ruled Afghanistan. The Atta leader Bin Laden, is the son of a wealthy Saudi builder, who is a close friend of the king. Those at school with him, now say that he was not very intelligent - and just another rich kid.

The problem that we are now faced with, is how could this pathetic little creep plan such an outrage? Anyway, there is a direct intellgence link with Saudi Arabia, and not Afghanistan. It is obvious, that the USA will much rather attack Afghanistan than the oil rich Fahd Kingdom.

There is a horrible possibility here, that Bin Laden (like Sadam Hussein) is a CIA operative. This is because there is no longer any opposition to any Russian incursions, as that drought cursed area is now a very special route for the heroin trade. It could well be, that despite staunch American military efforts to apprehend Bin Laden, he like Sadam will not face justice because of CIA protection.

By the way, a passport has been found, from one of the hijackers in the rubble of Ground Zero. This is extremely puzzling, as the interiors of the planes were incinerated on impact. Also, there was a mass movement of money out of the New York insurance market on the Monday (10th), and the FBI are apparently investigating this.

Incidentally, one sight that has obsessed me, has been the video of those firemen casually checking Manhattan fire hydrants. Suddenly they looked up, and saw the first plane crashing into the World Trade Center.

Why would anyone want to video NYFD firemen checking a hydrant?

There is more to this than meets the eye.

Yours in Light and Truth

Peter (Froude) UFO-REALITY@yahoogroups.co.uk

Bournemouth England

"CONFESSIONS OF A COLD WARRIOR"

I AM UNIVERSAL MAN!

BORN WITH THE BOMB!

I DANCE WITH YOU, COLD WARRIOR.

I AM HONORED, IF I AM DEAD.

I AM UNIVERSALLY

HATED,

LOVED

. THE HONOR OF MY PEOPLE, I HOLD DEAR.

I DISHONOR ALL ELSE!

A RIBBON HOLDS THE CHEST, WITH PRIDE.

CAIN'S BAND PROUDLY MARCHES ON.

OUR FATHER, WHAT IS THE ANSWER?

MY QUESTION, WHAT IS THE ONE?

DEATH TO ALL ENEMIES?

THOU SHALL NOT KILL!

JUST PUSH THE BUTTON.

THE COMPUTER, WILL NOT FAIL.

OF PUSH BUTTON WARFARE

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TO LIVE UNDER THE SHADOW,

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LETS TAKE ALL OUR WAR TOYS APART, FOR THE TREASURE.

LETS LINK ALL OUR HEARTS,

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THE SCIENTIFIC LEAP,

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WHILE ON THE WAY,

LETS COLONIZE MARS.

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copy right 1993

Vera:

Who's making a case for bin Laden? I'm making a case that all facts must be considered. This includes the fact that America financed bin Laden and the Taliban's rise to power.

Patriotic Americans would do well to remember that their money financed bin Laden and the Taliban. Americans are guilty of being accomplices to the Taliban's oppression in the same sense that bin Laden is guilty of the WTC bombing because he inspired the pilots.

That means you, Vera, are indirectly responsible for the Taliban's action by virtue of their rising to power to enslave the Afghanistan people. Maybe this little technicality of being accomplices to tyranny, along with fear for personal safety, is what has inspired so many newly patriotic testimonials.

You say, "I know this country and our government is imperfect. People are imperfect." Bin Laden is imperfect and America is imperfect by your own standard.

You ask: "How many came to our aid when we had disasters in our country?" Have you forgotten that the Statue of Liberty was a gift from France after France financed the Revolutionary War?

If you know anything about the Native American heritage, you must be aware that the opening words of the American Constitution, "We the People..." is an exact quote of the Iroquois League of Nation's Constitution. The assistance given to Euro-Americans after feeding them was considerable aid.

The USA has NOT always been there for others when needed. The South Pacific islanders who had to be evacuated from their traditional home after America tested nuclear devices on their islands in the 1950's serves as an example. Did America come to the islanders' aid? No. Greenpeace evacuated the islanders while America stood by and did nothing.

A little song and dance about how wonderful America is doesn't change the fact that it is a nation comprised of imperfect people who deal with imperfect people. Still you say, I stand by what I said the murderer should be brought to justice." At the same time you are willing to create more murder in order to pay the debt for murder?

I agree that a murderer should be brought to justice. As I understand the law, bin Laden would have to first be tried conspiracy before being found guilty.

Bin Laden says that he didn't "do it", and that's literally true. Bin Laden inspired those who bombed the World Trade Center but he didn't pilot the planes. Bin Laden is a Muslim prophet who lives by a code that would forbid him to state he did not participate in the bombings at the risk of losing his status with Allah if he lied. Bin Laden literally did not bomb the World Trade Center nor the Pentagon.

I don't understand why it is not as easy to tolerate bin Laden's imperfections as it is to forgive America's imperfections. It looks to me like the desire to get bin Laden is based on old-fashioned fear for personal security instead of bin Laden's imperfection.

Regards,

Krsanna

US CA: Column: Bush's Faustian Deal With The Taliban URL: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v01/n922/a09.html Newshawk: Terry Liittschwager Pubdate: Tue, 22 May 2001 Source: Los Angeles Times (CA) Copyright: 2001 Los Angeles Times Contact: letters@latimes.com Website: http://www.latimes.com/ Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/248 Author: Robert Scheer Note: Robert Scheer Is a Syndicated Columnist

. BUSH'S FAUSTIAN DEAL WITH THE TALIBAN

Enslave your girls and women, harbor anti-U.S. terrorists, destroy every vestige of civilization in your homeland, and the Bush administration will embrace you. All that matters is that you line up as an ally in the drug war, the only international cause that this nation still takes seriously.

That's the message sent with the recent gift of $43 million to the Taliban rulers of Afghanistan, the most virulent anti-American violators of human rights in the world today. The gift, announced last Thursday by Secretary of State Colin Powell, in addition to other recent aid, makes the U.S. the main sponsor of the Taliban and rewards that "rogue regime" for declaring that opium growing is against the will of God. So, too, by the Taliban's estimation, are most human activities, but it's the ban on drugs that catches this administration's attention.

Never mind that Osama bin Laden still operates the leading anti-American terror operation from his base in Afghanistan, from which, among other crimes, he launched two bloody attacks on American embassies in Africa in 1998.

Sadly, the Bush administration is cozying up to the Taliban regime at a time when the United Nations, at U.S. insistence, imposes sanctions on Afghanistan because the Kabul government will not turn over Bin Laden.

The war on drugs has become our own fanatics' obsession and easily trumps all other concerns. How else could we come to reward the Taliban, who has subjected the female half of the Afghan population to a continual reign of terror in a country once considered enlightened in its treatment of women.

At no point in modern history have women and girls been more systematically abused than in Afghanistan where, in the name of madness masquerading as Islam, the government in Kabul obliterates their fundamental human rights. Women may not appear in public without being covered from head to toe with the oppressive shroud called the burkha , and they may not leave the house without being accompanied by a male family member. They've not been permitted to attend school or be treated by male doctors, yet women have been banned from practicing medicine or any profession for that matter.

The lot of males is better if they blindly accept the laws of an extreme religious theocracy that prescribes strict rules governing all behavior, from a ban on shaving to what crops may be grown. It is this last power that has captured the enthusiasm of the Bush White House.

The Taliban fanatics, economically and diplomatically isolated, are at the breaking point, and so, in return for a pittance of legitimacy and cash from the Bush administration, they have been willing to appear to reverse themselves on the growing of opium. That a totalitarian country can effectively crack down on its farmers is not surprising. But it is grotesque for a U.S. official, James P. Callahan, director of the State Department's Asian anti-drug program, to describe the Taliban's special methods in the language of representative democracy: "The Taliban used a system of consensus-building," Callahan said after a visit with the Taliban, adding that the Taliban justified the ban on drugs "in very religious terms."

Of course, Callahan also reported, those who didn't obey the theocratic edict would be sent to prison.

In a country where those who break minor rules are simply beaten on the spot by religious police and others are stoned to death, it's understandable that the government's "religious" argument might be compelling. Even if it means, as Callahan concedes, that most of the farmers who grew the poppies will now confront starvation. That's because the Afghan economy has been ruined by the religious extremism of the Taliban, making the attraction of opium as a previously tolerated quick cash crop overwhelming.

For that reason, the opium ban will not last unless the U.S. is willing to pour far larger amounts of money into underwriting the Afghan economy.

As the Drug Enforcement Administration's Steven Casteel admitted, "The bad side of the ban is that it's bringing their country--or certain regions of their country--to economic ruin." Nor did he hold out much hope for Afghan farmers growing other crops such as wheat, which require a vast infrastructure to supply water and fertilizer that no longer exists in that devastated country. There's little doubt that the Taliban will turn once again to the easily taxed cash crop of opium in order to stay in power.

The Taliban may suddenly be the dream regime of our own war drug war zealots, but in the end this alliance will prove a costly failure. Our long sad history of signing up dictators in the war on drugs demonstrates the futility of building a foreign policy on a domestic obsession.

Krsanna,

Actually I`m not . My dad was 3/4 Cherokee and my mom was Italian. I was raised Catholic but became enlightened and am atheist. My husband is mexican, he is a republican and I`m a democrat. I am well aware of how the American Indians were treated. My father was born on a reservation in Okalahoma. I am well read and newly patriotic. I grew up in the 70`s so was completely anti-war! I know this country and our government is imperfect. People are imperfect. But I stand by what I said the murderer should be brought to justice. No, I don`t give a **** if it`s true or not. I know it isn`t. Tell me please, what government is totally honest with their people? How many Choctaw consider themselves not American and this not their country? My dad fought in Korea. His dad in WWII. They considered themselves Americans too. Americans have comitted horrendous acts against other Americans, not just Indians. What about blacks and hispanics and asians? They too are Americans who have suffered at the hands of their own countrymen. Though completely wrong this does not make an arguement for what Bin Laden has done.

Vera

----- Original Message ----- From: TimeStar To: Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [UFOnet] (geen onderwerp)

> Vera wrote:

>

> The USA has always been there for others when we were needed, how > many came to our aid when we had disasters in our country. Don`t knock us > for wanting to protect our own against madmen.

>

> Krsanna wrote:

>

> Let me guess, Vera. You are a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant? You don't seem > to be aware of the millions of American women and children slaughted under > federal mandate by Andrew Jackson in the biggest land grab in history? I'll > be happy to fill you in on a few details of senseless murder by madmen in > the 1890's when killing an Indian was a misdeamor in California. > > It may interest you that when the English were starving out the Irish in the > 1870's, the (Native American) Choctow nation was the only nation who > offered the Irish aid. The idea that, "The USA has always been there for > others when we were needed" is not true. > > I understand you want it to be true and there are reason that you would like > it to be true. However, the notion that you would like to believe doesn't > exist.

> > Regards,

> > Krsanna

> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "VePres9792" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 3:41 PM > Subject: Re: [UFOnet] (geen onderwerp)

> > > > It is not murdering people for a cause. It is trying to stop a madman that > > willnot stop killing inocent people. I think at this time people tend to > > forget how the US has stepped in to stop other countries from killing > > innocent people. Which of course got our own citizens killed, yet we could > > not stand back and watch people being slaughtered for " a cause " > > We are expected to watch our own be slaughtered at the hands of a coward > who > > sends others to die in his place for his cause and then he runs and hides > in > > a sad war torn country where the poor people have suffered enough. Knowing > > we will retaliate and look bad in the process. Are we expected to do > > nothing? What would europe become if we didn`t help stop the slaughter of > > the Jewish people at the hands of Hitler. No one complained then. I`m not > > saying I want a war anymore then anyone else, I`m saying if there is no > > alternative to protect our families and families of other countries then > so > > be it. The USA has always been there for others when we were needed, how > > many came to our aid when we had disasters in our country. Don`t knock us > > for wanting to protect our own against madmen. And a madman he certainly > is. > > I am not a christian, I`m atheist so I don`t blame Bush`s or anyone else`s > > religion on this. I don`t see it as "unchristian like" I see it as justice > > for more than 5000 people dying because they went to work one morning!

> > Vera

> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: rinus nienhuis > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 3:10 AM > > Subject: [UFOnet] (geen onderwerp)

> > > > > > > Hello All

> > > I also want to use the oppurtunity that the moderators of this list have > > > given us to > > > express our feelings concerning the terrorists attacks on America > > > > > > All kinds of feelings arise when confronted with all of this ... > > > First of all the start of this song comes in my mind: > > > "why can't we live together..." > > > > > > it is so sad and ALL of the parties involved are to blame > > > The terrorists ....that have sacrificed many innocent people for their > > > cause" > > > America -which they see as the SATAN of the world > > > despite who the terrorists are -they must see it like this way because > > > otherwise how could they have done this?They must really hate ... > > > THEY CERTAINLY ARE TO BLAME-THEY BELIEVE IN GOD,-ALLAH > > > WHAT IS ALLAH SAYING ABOUT ALL THIS IN THE KORAN? > > > ABOUT MURDER ?ABOUT DEFENDING? > > > > > > the American GOVERNMENT-they have murdered also many people for their > > > cause-i will never forget the ordering of the former president Bush to > > > get back > > > to the already unarmed Iraqi soldiers and civlians and kill them all > > > -because > > > as he said it "they are the soldiers of tomorrow" > > > When they killed many innocent people during the Kosovo war they called > > > it > > > "a mistake " -a train full of innocent people... > > > Strange Christian belief! > > > the current President Bush is a Christian but even before it is PROVEN > > > Bin Laden is to blame-BUSH has DECIDED that LADEN is to blame > > > no prove yet-but that is not necessary...he is the president > > > if you can't find out who has done it -you just take one > > > Many too mention ordinary Afghan people now run for their life to the > > > mountains > > > with all they have and that is not much-and they have already gone > > > through much > > > wars etcetera > > > Yesterday evening i saw a chief of military on the TV and he said > > > "also this "war" is going to make many casualties -also on our side but > > > that is normal ! > > > Why are the Afghan people so afraid > > > they are afraid -because they know America is going to do airstrikes > > > AT INNOCENT PEOPLE ! > > > as Bush said it "i am going to smoke him out of his cave....! > > > What a world! what a Christian belief ! > > > This has nothing to do with "putting the other cheeck..." > > > with trying to forgive... > > > with DEFENDING... > > > AND THE MEDIA DID WRITE IN THE NEWSPAPER"WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE " > > > BUT THERE WAS A POLL AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DECIDED > > > NOT DEAD OR ALIVE BUT ONLY DEAD! > > > NOW WHO IS TO BLAME?THE MEDIA? THE POLL?-THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?-SPEAKING > > > ABOUT MIND CONTROL... > > > Christians in a free world - FREE FROM WHAT WE ASK?NOT FROM DEAD AND > > > DESTRUCTION BECAUSE WE HAVE LEARNED FROM THE PAST! > > > FORGET ALL THE CONSPIRACISTS AND THINK FOR YOURSELF > > > PHONE TO "WAR TV" AND ASK THEM THESE > > > QUESTIONS > > > EVEN IF IS "PROVEN " BIN LADEN IS TO BLAME WHY CAN'T THEY SEND MARINES > > > TO GET ONLY HIM AND HIS COOPERATORS? > > > AND NOT THE INNOCENT PEOPLE! > > > NO THEY WANT REVENGE!AND AS SOON AS POSSIBLE... > > > THEY GO BACK TO THE CAVES AGAIN! > > > NOT MUCH OF INTELLIGENCE ... > > > speaking about intelligence > > > IF YOU ONLY PICK UP A BOOK IN A LOCAL LIBRARY OVERHERE > > > AND YOU LOOK FOR THE WORD:CIA ... > > > ONLY THE TITLES ARE SPEAKING FOR THEMSELVES > > > "THE SECRET WARS OF THE CIA "AND SO ON > > > THEY HAVE STARTED MANY WARS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD > > > what have they done against the indians? > > > AND THEY HAVE THEIR MOUTH FULL OF CHRISTIAN TALK > > > IF THEY ONLY LISTENED TO JESUS!!THEY SAY THEY BELIEVE... > > > THIS IS ALL HOW I SEE IT AND I HAVE DONE MY UTTERMOST BEST TO SEE IT THE > > > OTHER WAY > > > PLEASE FORGIVE MY NOT SO GOOD USE OF THE AMERICAN LANGUAGE/SPELLING-I > > > HOPE I DID MADE MY POINT > > > BUT IT IS ALREADY A "DYNAMITE "SITUATION IN THE MIDDLE EAST > > > ISRAEL AGAINST THE PALESTINES > > > IRAQ, YOU NAME IT AND IT COULD EASLIY GET MUCH WORSE > > > one thing is absolutely certain in all this: > > > there is a "not too bridge distance "between Christ and Christians who > > > are in power > > > between Allah and jihad warriors > > > thank you for your attention

> > > Greetings rinus /netherlands

I can't quite work out whether this is rascist or bad taste or what. My apologies if it is.

But I liked the Dr Seuss, Grinch cartoon poem and I applaud the concept of America's resolve and pride holding firm despite this great tragedy.

Regards Dave Haith

Every U down in Uville liked U.S. a lot, But the Binch, who lived Far East of Uville, did not. The Binch hated U.S! The whole U.S. way! Now don't ask me why, for nobody can say, It could be his turban was screwed on too tight. Or the sun from the desert had beaten too bright But I think that the most likely reason of all May have been that his heart was two sizes too small.

But, whatever the reason, his heart or his turban, He stood facing Uville, the part that was urban. "They're doing their business," he snarled from his perch. "They're raising their families! They're going to church! They're leading the world, and their empire is thriving, I MUST keep the S's and the U's from surviving!"

Tomorrow, he knew, all the U's and the S's, Would put on their pants and their shirts and their dresses, They'd go to their offices, playgrounds and schools, And abide by their U and S values and rules,

And then they'd do something he liked least of all, Every U down in Uville, the tall and the small, Would stand all united, each U and each S, And they'd sing Uville's anthem, "God bless us! God bless!" All around their Twin Towers of Uville they'd stand, And their voices would drown every sound in the land.

"I must stop that singing," Binch said with a smirk, And he had an idea - an idea that might work! The Binch stole some U airplanes in U morning hours, And crashed them right into the Uville Twin Towers. "They'll wake to disaster!" he snickered, so sour, "And how can they sing when they can't find a tower?"

The Binch cocked his ear as they woke from their sleeping, All set to enjoy the U-wailing and weeping, Instead he heard something that started quite low, And it built up quite slow, but it started to grow - And the Binch heard the most unpredictable thing... And he couldn't believe it - they started to sing!

He stared down at Uville, not trusting his eyes, What he saw was a shocking, disgusting surprise! Every U down in Uville, the tall and the small, Was singing! Without any towers at all! He HADN'T stopped Uville from singing! It sung! For down deep in the hearts of the old and the young, Those Twin Towers were standing, called Hope and called Pride, And you can't smash the towers we hold deep inside.

So we circle the sites where our heroes did fall, With a hand in each hand of the tall and the small, And we mourn for our losses while knowing we'll cope, For we still have inside that U-Pride and U-Hope.

For America means a bit more than tall towers, It means more than wealth or political powers, It's more than our enemies ever could guess, So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless!

Laurie Woolworth

Come on already , You people always have to see some dark cynical plot behind everything, This guy as well as other participants are guilty of this outrageous crime, and even as crooked as our own government is I can not bring myself to belive they would do such an evil act, There is no true motivation for it nor support. They don't need the money, I have sat here and watched the genuine emotions and utter shock on the faces of our leaders. Maybe they are guilty of not doing everything they could to make the USA more secure, But are we not just as guilty by not speaking out and making a difference? (yes) All we do is talk about conspiracies and cover ups within our own groups instead of trying to reach out and make a difference so if your gonna get to the real root of this problem you don't have to luck much further than your own mirror.......

-------Original Message------- From: philip.crocker web mail Date: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 03:18:04 PM

Hi Roger

That is true that some got together to commit a crime, but that is not like what some consider to be a conspiracy....those were misguided individuals that were brainwashed by religious hate monger zealots to commit crimes that they were told that were from God...or should I say Allah....the ones like bin Laden and his ilk use people that are less than intellegent to do their evil deeds, who in their right mind would want to do things like was commited the 11th and knowing that they were going to die in the act....either they were so brainwashed into doing that or they were complete fools that had the IQ of a mouse to do such things......I don't care what religion I belonged to, if they required me to do such evil things as that I would never step foot inside another mosque or church or temple thinking that I was doing such evilness in the name of God or Allah, and if God or Allah were such monsters as wanting such deeds done I would never serve something like that, I would surely be an atheist all the days of my life.

Of course that is my take on it....I know that there are millions and millions of different ideas on the subject...who knows maybe they are all right in what they may think. I was just voicing my opinion on the subject, and I can surely see others opinions as being true also...I was not trying to say that what I voiced was the only thing that was right. Take care

Jim

All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream.

----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Anderton Hi Phil,

It is great to hear from you, because right now I am being flamed - and condemned to hell for being anti-American. This is not the truth, but right now there are those across the pond who wave the Stars and Stripes - and they want Afghanistan nuked.

The trouble is, that these people only see the CNN version of the truth, but that is only an outer layer. It is back to that Russian doll, where you open one - and then discover another doll.

Right now the USA is desperately trying to find the truth. They want bin Laden to be the main villain, as this will justify Afghanistan being destroyed. This forgets the fact, that the population are starving to death, and there is nothing to destroy.

Anyway there is a trail to follow - but where will it end?

TEXAS!

All the best

Peter (Froude)

Sea Road Boscombe Bournemouth England Hi Leon,

What we have to do, is to see who benefits from this. The main loser is the Islamic and Arab world, as they are now seen as the main villains. Would anyone who is the enemy of the USA do this, as it is counter productive?

What has happened now, is that the western world, has all joined together to fight an enemy which is in the middle ages. I am no admirer of the Arab world, as it has not created anything of importance, apart from the numbers that we use. They do not invent anything, and only pray to Mecca.

Anyway, there is more to this than meets the eye - and hopefully in the future we will see more.

As for oil, we will soon see the prices rise.

All the best Peter (Froude)

Vera here under my reply:

VePres9792 schreef:

> It is not murdering people for a cause. It is trying to stop a madman > that > willnot stop killing inocent people. I think at this time people tend > to > forget how the US has stepped in to stop other countries from killing > innocent people. Which of course got our own citizens killed, yet we > could > not stand back and watch people being slaughtered for " a cause " > We are expected to watch our own be slaughtered at the hands of a > coward who > sends others to die in his place for his cause and then he runs and > hides in > a sad war torn country where the poor people have suffered enough. > Knowing > we will retaliate and look bad in the process. Are we expected to do > nothing?

NO-you're not expected to do nothing you can do a lot of things ! Defend yourself Get the one responsible for this ! BUT NOT START A WAR AGAINST A COMPLETE COUNTRY ! AGAINST THE VAST MAJORITY -INNOCENT PEOPLE AND THAT IS WHAT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION IS PLANNING TO DO-TOGETHER WITH THE AMERICAN AND BUSH AND HIS GOVERNMENT HAVE NO PROOF YET -OSAMA BIN LADEN IS BEHIND THIS TERRORIST ATTACKS.... IF IS PROVEN OSAMA IS THE ONE BEHIND ALL THIS -THEN GET HIM IF PEOPLE ARE PROTECTING HIM -THEN GET THEM ALSO BUT NOT A COMPLETE WAR AGAINST A INNOCENT COUNTRY

> What would europe become if we didn`t help stop the slaughter of > the Jewish people at the hands of Hitler.

HITLER WAS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORY HITLER INVADED COMPLETE COUNTRY'S HITLER WAS NOT A BUNCH OF TERRORISTS THE COMPLETE COUNTRY WAS BEHIND HIM

> No one complained then. I`m not > saying I want a war anymore then anyone else, I`m saying if there is > no > alternative to protect our families and families of other countries > then so > be it.

PROTECTION IS ALLRIGHT-THERE IS A ALTERNATIVE BUT YOUR PRESIDENT DRAGS "THE AMERICAN PEOPLE " AGAIN BACK IN TIME TO THE CAVES AND TO THE AMERICAN WILD WEST "WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE" "AN EYE FOR AN EYE...." AND BUSH HAS NO RIGHT TO SPEAK THAT WAY! THINK ONE MOMENT OF THE MANY TOO MENTION KILLED INDIANS BY WHO?DO I NEED TO SAY MORE?

> The USA has always been there for others when we were needed, how > many came to our aid when we had disasters in our country.

netherlands the same !and that's very good netherlands is known for harbouring many refugees

> Don`t knock us > for wanting to protect our own against madmen. And a madman he > certainly is.

he certainly is !even if comes out he has nothing to do with these attacks he was behind many other attacks!

> > I am not a christian, I`m atheist so I don`t blame Bush`s or anyone > else`s > religion on this.

i am not a christian either-i am no atheist either and i blame Bush only because of the fact that he is known in the whole world as not that a big president he uses the anger of the "American people" to get this country behind him and in what a way?I blame him because because of the sentences out of his mouth "god bless america " and he is so descent THE SAME WITH CLINTON -I ALSO DON'T LIKE HIM!! NOT THAT HE PLAYED WITH HIS CIGAR AND MONICA BUT BECAUSE HE ALSO HAD HIS MOUTH FULL OF DESCENCY... I WILL ALSO NEVER FORGET THAT HE WAS ON TELEVISION TOGETHER WITH HILLARY AND CHELSEA AND HE WAS SAYING THAT THE NEW UNDERWEAR BY CALVIN KLEIN WAS UNDESCENT TO THE BONE AND THAT THE MODELS WEARING THAT , WERE TO YOUNG-NOW I ASK YOU? HAVE PEOPLE A CHRONIC MEMORYLOSS?

> I don`t see it as "unchristian like" I see it as justice > for more than 5000 people dying because they went to work one morning!

IT IS CERTAINLY UNCHRISTIAN LIKE - READ IN THE BIBLE ! DO THEY ONLY READ IN THE BIBLE WHEN IT SUITS THEM? 5000 WORKING PEOPLE GOING TO WORK WHO ARE BEING MURDERED -I DON'T HAVE WORDS FOR IT HANG THEM !WHO DID THIS -THEY DON'T DESERVE TO LIVE! I AGREE WITH YOU TOTALLY ON THAT ! BUT IT IS NOT GOOD TO RETALITATE THAT WITH MURDERING MUCH MORE ...INNOCENT PEOPLE ESPECIALLY NOT BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE THEIR MOUTH FULL OF CHRISTIAN TALK-NO MATTER IF YOU'RE A ATHEIST OR IF I AM NOT IT HAS NOTHING TO WITH THAT OKAY VERA? GREETINGS RINUS/NETHERLANDS

> > Vera

Hi Peter,

Thanks for your reply, its good to here from you too. I'm sorry you are being flamed for speaking your mind. I am sure you are not anti-American, but pro-truth.

Just remind the flamers that America has been supporting the IRA's murderous campaign for at least a century, count the British dead. Where did the IRA murderers go when hunted by the British Police? America harboured these 'freedom fighters'.

We did not and do not hate the Americans for it however, we did not 'nuke' America, indeed we have and will stand beside them in any search for the truth and justice. We will not 'nuke' Afghanistan, or anywhere else for that matter, nor would we want America to make such a terrible mistake either.

The truth is probably stranger than we know or can guess, to simplify it all into war would be as much a crime as has all ready been seen in New York and Washington DC. Keep following the trail Peter, you will not be popular, but, what the hell!

Phil

I have 3 sons. I don`t want a war. I don`t want my boys to die.But also I don`t want to live in fear of another terrorist attack on our soil either. In a happy little world the Afghanistans would do the right thing and turn Bin Laden over to our government. Then he could have a trial to see if he is guilty or not. So my suggestion to all who disagree with how the USA is handling this travesty is get together and figure out a better way. Then my boys will be safe in their future and I don`t have to worry they will die along with countless other sons.

Vera Prescott Las Vegas, NV USA

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