first could loveandfriends.com nerves From: "loveandfriendsamanda" <loveandfriendsamanda@loveandfriends.com> To: <c_404_c@hotmail.com> Subject: FW: Hacking Loveandfriends Date: 19 August 2004 15:37 Hi Volstar, This is Natasha here - I work at loveandfriends.com. We're a very small "cottage industry" style dating website (5 people work here Andy, Tony, Harjit, Chris and myself). We're wondering why you're so angry with us? You say we're just trying to grab money but that's not fair - at Loveandfriends we've one of the most generous/non-strict free VS paying membership schemes on the Internet. We have loads of free members who use the site happily without paying a penny. Big dating companies with lots of money (like UDate, Match.com, Dating Direct) charge members to send AND receive any messages. Some of them even don't tell you if the person you are emailing is a full member e.g. AmericanSingles. That means you can pay for full membership on American Singles send someone a message and have no idea if they can read it or not. If they are not a full membere they cannot read your message (even though you've paid). They don't want to tell you who is a full member because they want you to message free members who then have to pay to read your message. This is a real rip-off - don't you think? Have a look at our forums on the site - again they're TOTALLY FREE to make as many postings as you like. There are lots of members who cannot afford full membership (on our site or any other) who use our site for free. They can't afford to use UDate, Match.com, Dating Direct, etc. Who? Unemployed people, students, old people. We offer paying membership - but it's optional - we do need money to pay for servers and us staff (not that we earn much). The reason there are so many 'Pay here to do this and that' is because we offer some free Messaging to free members (which is the really important thing). If we cut off free messaging we could let everyone look at all the other features of the site - but they'd lose their free messaging. I think you should think about the consequences of your actions. If you hack our site and mess around with it you could put us out of business. This means that all the people enjoying free dating with us will have no more free internet dating and I will be out of a job (I need this job!). One of our team is disabled and his part time job with loveandfriends is the only work he has got in years (he can do his work at home via Internet) - it also means he has got Broadband Internet - which is a great bonus for him. Why do you want to do this to us? Can you please acknowledge this email so we know how to contact you via email. Best Wishes Natasha loveandfriends admin when i was young: it was easy: now i do it for it 4 cash: not because i just did it in them days for fun, it not mean sh1t 2 me dude, i tell 2 u, is like is b all end all, so many my friends need cash, them they sell they / our knowledge for shit... DILENGER coded by VosLar: UK: digital binary division: we aint in da fone buck :-) yes: is true dat i hate peeps abusing trust placed in dem, dont think that loveandfriends.com have any other incentive other than to bleed you dry and make you vulnerable on the internet ! love and friends.com has been subjected to nothing more sophisticated than a very basic form of security test, for obvious reason we cannot tell you what these test are. but we can tell you, that you and your personal details are very vulnerable. it would be a foolish person to let a site like love and friends to hold details about them. the second and final point we want to make here is this, love and friends have a great chance to become something more than just another MOVE, and be charged, BREATH or BLINK and be charged site, you wanna talk to this person, PAY, you wanna look here, then PAY you wanna press this button, then PAY... in fact,, PAY us anyway for doing nothing. you money grabbing idiot, try advertising to generate cash, we notice you always hit the free users, just like a conservative government, hit the poor person, they not in a position to answer back: well think again, we give those a voice, not like you, want to shut them out or punish them. we have many account details: you know that we will move against you (AGGRESSIVELY) if you do not release your grip and attitude towards free users, we want you to realise that we are serious and are very able to cause massive disruptions for you second could a lammer :-) on MSN bragging about YADA - YADA ¯_¯ GtGywall _¯_ says: Just a question, why the hell do you hack websites? says: ? ¯_¯ GtGywall _¯_ says: http://www.angelfire.com/in3/chickenlump/ says: what about it ? ¯_¯ GtGywall _¯_ says: why did you hack the site? says: it's crap ¯_¯ GtGywall _¯_ says: I think tons of websites are crap, do i hack them? No says: can you ? no ! ¯_¯ GtGywall _¯_ says: I can acturly ¯_¯ GtGywall _¯_ says: But i don't do it as it's not nice says: what's not nice about what i did to yours ? i think it's nice now ¯_¯ GtGywall _¯_ says: It's not mine says: tiz 2 ¯_¯ GtGywall _¯_ says: is not ¯_¯ GtGywall _¯_ says: Angelfire sucks says: tiz ¯_¯ GtGywall _¯_ says: isn't ¯_¯ GtGywall _¯_ says: i own a message board only says: i agree with that angelfire sucks