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Understanding Lucifer

Is Lucifer another name for Satan?

Technically speaking, this question should come after "Who is Lucifer?" Due to the enormous number of times this question is heard every evening, I felt this should be addressed first and foremost.

Like every other question in this FAQ, the true answer is "It depends on who you ask." A fundamentalist Christian will scream "Yes!" at the top of his or her lungs. When asked to cite a specific scripture to support the claim, they generally begin a fumbling explanation, become frustrated, and leave.

The Fundamentalist Christian version of the story goes something like this: God(called Yahweh in times past, but usually considered nameless by the Christian public) created all of the angels, among them Lucifer. Some Christians believe he was the first angel created - those familiar with various traditions will know he was said to be a seraph, nor to mention highest among the archangels." Despite being created "perfect," Lucifer became jealous and attempted to take the throne of God. Once so cast down, he took the form of a serpent, or possessed one, and tempted Adam and Eve into eating the Fruit of Knowledge. This caused the hapless couple to come to know Good and Evil, and with it sin.

The only scriptural reference to this is Isaiah chapter 14, which says

12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

The only Bible I have seen that says "Lucifer" is the King James Version. Other versions generally say "morning star" or "son of the dawn."

If one takes the time to read the rest of Isaiah, they will see it clearly refers to a human being, however. The passage refers to "other kings" that are buried, and states that Yahweh will not allow Lucifer to be buried in the ground like the others. This implies a human being not allowed to be buried and recieve the final dignity of the deceased, a decidedly human punishment. Furthermote, Isaiah chapter 14 declares that Lucifer's children will be killed so that they cannot take up where their father left off! Killing the heirs to the throne was a typical act during wartime. Indeed, verse 4 calls him the "king of Babylon." Apologists will say "King of Babylon" is one of the titles of Satan/Lucifer, but again there is no scriptural backing for such a claim.
The Gospels and Revelation refer to Satan being cast down from Heaven, but there is nothing solid to connect the two names together. Satan himself was simply a tempter, one given the job, by Yahweh, to test and tempt. Zechariah 3:1 says Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right side to accuse him. What does this tell us of the nature of Satan? Psalm 109:6 says Appoint an evil man to oppose him; let Satan stand at his right hand. From Zechariah 3:1, we can already see that Satan standing at someone's "right hand" signifies an accusation by Satan himself. Thus Psalm 109:6 is quite literally a prayer from David to Yahweh for Satan to accuse David's enemies! The word "Satan" itself means "Accuser" or "Adversary."

Compare the two concepts: one a "Dawn Star" that was cast down, the other an "accuser" or "adversary" whom David himself mentioned in prayer - as a tool to be used against the wicked! You can decide for yourself if the two are really one.

Who is Lucifer?

The Hebrew word was "Helel," pronounced Hay-lail(rhymes with "flail"). The Greek word was "Heosphoros" meaning "bringer of the dawn."

"Lucifer" is a Latin word the Romans used to refer to Venus, which was also called the "Dawn Star." Venus was the first "star" to shine in the evening and the last to fade at dawn. Thus, the nameless king in Isaiah chapter 14 would have fit the concept of exceptional pride when he titled himself the "Dawn Star!"

It appears that the Romans did not worship Lucifer as a god; the word "Lucifer" was a poetic personification of the dawn-star, or Venus(not to be confused with the Roman goddess Venus, of course). Lucifer was called the "Son of Aurora," Aurora being the dawn. Again, this was a poetical concept which referred to the idea that the dawn-star was born of the dawn itself - Lucifer came at the dawn - or, rather, Lucifer is born of Aurora.

Thus we can see that Lucifer had a rather beautiful but non-divine poetic origin.

Does this adequately answer the question "Who is Lucifer?" No, it does not. Does this make Lucifer a myth? This question must also be answered in the negative. The worship of Lucifer has given him power, certainly. The fact that we can trace his origins does not defy that. We can trace the origins of many gods worshipped in the world today, including the modern Christian god, who had his origins in the mythology of Babylon and Canaan.

Just who Lucifer truly is is a question to be discussed in the chat room. Many people see Lucifer in many ways; as a bringer of enlightenment, as a god of the air(or of the powers of the air), as a bringer of truth and knowledge, as a rebel, or as all of the above.

What does "Lucifer" mean?

Lucifer was a Latin word referring to the planet Venus, at that time assumed to be a star. The various names such as Lucifer, Helel, or Heosphoros can be translated as "Son of the Dawn," "Son of the Morning," "Morning Star," "Dawn Star," "Light bearer" and "Light bringer."

Is this a Satanist room?

If you had read the questions above thoroughly, you would see that it clearly is not. The room's founders do not see Lucifer and Satan as the same being. However, Satanists of all persuasions are free to come in and chat. Personally we don't care what anyone thinks of Lucifer or what other names he goes by; that's the point of the room, anyway.

What gods is Lucifer comparable to?

Lucifer, in the form most accepted now and apart from any comparison with Satan, has parallels in various world religion. He is generally considered both a god of light and a bringer of knowledge.

In Norse mythology he is comparable to both Loki and Baldur. Loki was a trickster, but a deeper understanding reveals his true role was to remind others of what they did not want to remember. His murder of Baldur was a clear and damning accusation that the gods were not immortal and had no right to play games and act indestructable. Baldur himself was a god of light.

In Greek mythology, Lucifer is comparable to both Hermes and Apollo; Hermes because he was a messenger and a healer, and Apollo as a solar deity.

In Egyptian mythology, Lucifer is similar to both Djehuty(Thoth) and Khepri; Djehuty as a messenger and god of knowledge, and Khepri as the rising sun and light of the dawn.

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Is that a fact?