Jan

23:46

haha

23:46

i am back

23:46

jsut had a conversation about RELIGION again with darryl

23:46

....

Set Ying Ting

23:46

expected

Jan

23:46

and he was very agst the concept of samsara

23:47

but at least now that i have worked out the differences btn the three abrahamic religions

23:47

i feel i can make more sense of my arguments to his

23:47

yay

Set Ying Ting

23:47

i know you are exctied that you finally can fight back

Jan

23:47

ok gg to read more abt buddhism

23:47

haha YEA MAN

Set Ying Ting

23:48

keep up your good work

Jan

23:48

i also told him he is pushing me away from christianity inadvertently, so hopefully he will stop...errr

23:48

u know what he was saying

23:48

he said

23:48

look of ines (sarah cheng's daughter)

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such a beautiful creation

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how can u look at her

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and say you were recycled

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(alluding to samsara)

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and i said

Set Ying Ting

23:49

i don't get the logic

Jan

23:49

well every religion has some sort of concept of soul

23:49

its not particular to YOUR religion

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YEA

23:49

like where got connection

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and he was arguing as usual

23:49

abt how jesus

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etc etc

23:49

ask me to consider the notion of jesus dying and rising for us

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WAH LEU

23:50

i faint

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i said

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look

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what makes u thing u are any more right than others

23:50

every religion believes that they are the only one

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who is right

23:50

everyone else is wrong

Set Ying Ting

23:50

ok relax girl

Jan

23:50

neither judaism nor islam buy that jesus died and resurrected

Set Ying Ting

23:50

maybe they are right

Jan

23:50

whcih makes yr religion 'special'

23:51

but yea what makes me believe yrs

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over theirs?

Set Ying Ting

23:51

ok dear

Jan

23:51

see

23:51

there is no pt

Set Ying Ting

23:51

i think you are getting a bit personal

Jan

23:51

haha

23:51

gek already lah

Set Ying Ting

23:51

sometimes, people's belief can be flimsy

23:51

but

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if they are happy with it,

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we don't undermine it

Jan

23:52

sorry : (

23:52

its just that

23:52

he keeps trying to push the pt

23:52

and he discounts buddhism

23:52

(btw his dad is buddhism so he was kinda raised as a buddhism..now he's the only christian in the family)

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which makes me irritated

23:52

because the whole idea

23:53

that each religion sees themselves as purveyors of the truth

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is a bit hard to stomach

23:53

why so self-righteous, you know

23:53

everyone is the sama sama lah

23:53

everyone is lost

23:53

everyone needs 'salvation', 'enlightenment' in some form

23:54

even if there is a god

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it is prolly the same god

23:54

every religion is just a manifestation of the same supernatural being

23:54

or at least a manifestation of a universal human need... to find 'truth'

23:55

u are asking me to believe that jesus died for us IF he exists at all

23:55

how do u know

23:55

maybe buddha is fictitious too

23:55

just characters from the same book

Set Ying Ting

23:55

you might be right

23:56

but Buddha's ideas are more important than his existence

23:56

his existence is irrelevant

23:56

as long as the message is conveyed

23:57

his conception of truth exists

Jan

23:57

abt samsara: Every time a person acts there is some quality of intention at the base of the mind and it is that quality rather than the outward appearance of the action that determines the effec

Set Ying Ting

23:57

Jesus might not exist

Jan

23:57

i dont really believe in this

Set Ying Ting

23:57

but his ideas still exists

Jan

23:57

i think taht the outward appearance of action actually determines more than the intention

23:57

like we said

23:57

u can think however u want to

23:58

but yr actions regulate yr thought

23:58

doesnt it

Set Ying Ting

23:58

you are right

Jan

23:58

(yea but the thing abt christianity is that you cannot say jesus's ideas are more impt than jesus...becauase jesus IS the idea. the whole religion is ard that one person.)

Set Ying Ting

23:58

or we might be wrong

23:58

but i want to tell you this

23:58

relax

23:59

i know D is trying to prove a point

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but you do not have to prove him anything

Jan

23:59

i will try to be more passive next time

23:59

i get fired up very easily

Set Ying Ting

23:59

by giving such a huge reaction,

Jan

23:59

maybe if i relax more

23:59

dont seem to care

23:59

he will stop provoking me

Set Ying Ting

23:59

you are commiting the mistakes that he is making

Jan

23:59

hmm

Set Ying Ting

23:59

you can care

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but be compassionate

Jan

0:00

haha

Set Ying Ting

0:00

try to understand from his point of view

Jan

0:00

so buddhist

Set Ying Ting

0:00

erh...

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ask more questions

Jan

0:00

i understand

Set Ying Ting

0:00

and then listen

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listen...

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listen...

Jan

0:00

i understand that everyone belives they are right

Set Ying Ting

0:00

listen..

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they are right in their own ways

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he probably has certain life experiences that shape his worldview

Jan

0:01

yes

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i can tell u all abt it

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how he prayed so hard to do well in his exams

Set Ying Ting

0:01

understand that what you think is not necessary the truth

Jan

0:01

to get to jc

Set Ying Ting

0:01

everyone is equally lost

Jan

0:01

so that he cld go to study archi eventually

Set Ying Ting

0:01

now you are trying to listen and understand

Jan

0:02

just becos i understand

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doesnt mean i buy it mah

Set Ying Ting

0:02

our life experience shapes us such that we are receptive to certain ideas

Jan

0:02

my rationality forbids me from doing so

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haha

Set Ying Ting

0:02

you don't have to buy it

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you don't have to

Jan

0:02

yea i may be wrong too

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maybe he is right

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but then

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WHO CAREs

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i dont

Set Ying Ting

0:02

haha...

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Jan

0:02

honestly!

Set Ying Ting

0:02

i have to go for meeting

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now

Jan

0:02

Set Ying Ting

0:03

dear,

Jan

0:03

continue this some other time

Set Ying Ting

0:03

tmr then

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take care

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it's 12a,

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sleep early

Jan

0:03

yea

Set Ying Ting

0:03

sleep early

Jan

0:03

so fired up now

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haha

Set Ying Ting

0:03

i love you

Jan

0:03

me too

0:03

i love you too

0:03

i just donno if i should love jesus too

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hahahaha

Set Ying Ting

0:03

write down what u think and send it to me if you can't sleep

Jan

0:03

ahh ok

0:03

its fine lah

0:03

i just need to read more

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understand the differences

Set Ying Ting

0:04

Jan

0:04

its a bit hard to just listen

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if every sentence demands a leap of faith

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then u feel like arguing

Set Ying Ting

0:04

then question it rationally

Jan

0:04

pt ing out certain contradictions

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i do! or at least i believe its out of rationality lah

Set Ying Ting

0:04

i'll teach you some techniques

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tmr

Jan

0:04

good

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remind me

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bye!!

Set Ying Ting

0:05

to listen

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u are the one who needs it

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remind me

Jan

0:05

ya i need to learn

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i cant listen well

Set Ying Ting

0:05

haha..

Set Ying Ting

0:07

learn for the fulfilment of your spiritual needs

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do not learn to pick up a fight with someone else

Jan

0:08

i was searching a while ago

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felt a bit empty spiritually

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but now i dont

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haha

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i dont

0:08

he picks a fight with moi!!

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*pouts*

0:08

i avoid talking abt these thgs with him lor

0:08

he starts it : P

Set Ying Ting

0:08

you accepted the invitatino

Jan

0:08

ok fine

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: /

Set Ying Ting

0:09

defining yourself against something that is wrong does not get you to the truth

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you might just drift away from one wrong to the other

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