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From:  "Dan Fraas" <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/christianbiblediscussion/post?protectID=230212113237099209227218164140244063078048234051197>
Date:  Mon Sep 15, 2003  11:10 am
Subject:  Re: Scriptural Baptism

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Dear Cecil,

In order to understand the Reformed doctrine of paedobaptism, (the
baptism of believers' children) as held by John Calvin, John Knox,
Matthew Henry, Jonathan Edwards, Louis Berhof, etc., you need some
background on Reformed covenant theology and soteriology.
(Soteriology=study of the plan of salvation)

Covenant theology, in contrast to dispensational theology, recognizes
more continuity than discontinuity between the covenants of the Old
and New Testaments. The presbyterian and reformed churches believe
that the New Covenant is essentially the fulfillment and continuation
of the covenant that God made with Abraham to bless him and his seed.

Genesis 12
1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country,
and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I
will shew thee:
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee,
and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth
thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

This covenant that God made with Abraham was a promise to make him
the father of all the redeemed through his Seed Jesus Christ. Not
only one nation would be blessed by Abraham, but "all families of the
earth", who by faith in Christ are ingrafted into blessed Israel.

Galatians 3
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the
children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen
through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In
thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

There is essentially no distinction between the Abrahamic covenant
and the "New" Covenant. God's promise to Abraham was the new
covenant, it was the "gospel" as Paul says here. Christ and the
diffusion of the gospel is the fulfillment of God's promise to
Abraham to bless all nations through him. In the Old Testament, the
covenant was restricted to one nation, but now it is for people of
every nation. In the Old Testament, the promise was passed on from
generation to generation. Even so, God's covenant promise is passed
on from generation to generation today. In Abraham's day, God gave
the sign of circumcision to confirm His blessing of salvation on
Abraham and His seed.

Genesis 17
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee *and thy
seed after thee in their generations* for an everlasting covenant, to
be a God unto thee, *and to thy seed after thee*...
10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and
thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

God commanded Abraham to circumcize every male child as a sign of the
covenant. Even though not every child would grow up to fear the Lord
and recieve the promise, they all recieved the sign of the promise.
It was a sign to confirm God's blessing on His covenant people. You
had visible Israel, made up of all circumsized males and their
families, and true Israel, made up of all believers, to whom the
promise actually belonged through faith. All of them appeared to be,
and so were treated as, Israelites, unless and until they fell away,
(e.g. Ishmael, Esau, etc.)

In the same way, the apostles in the New Testament confirmed God's
covenant blessings as passing from generation to generation for New
Testament believers of every nation. The sign of the covenant has
been changed from circumcision to baptism.(Col2:11,12) Just as the
male children of Israel were to be circumcized in the Old Testament,
the children of believers are to be baptized today.

Peter said,

Acts 2
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of
you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye
shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, *and to your children*, and to all
that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

The promise of salvation properly belongs to the children of
believers, because they are part of the covenant community. They
ought not to be denied the sacrament of baptism. If we neglect to
baptize our children, we are treating them like little heathen. God
calls the children of believers a "holy" seed.(1Cor7:14) The
reformed churches believe that we are saved by grace through faith
alone, and that faith is not of ourselves, it is purely a gift from
God.(Ephes2:8) We don't know for sure if our children are going to
be saved, but we apply the sign of ingrafting into Christ while
hoping, and believing, that God will give them faith and save them.
Just as with ancient Israel, we consider them believers unless and
until they prove that they are not. The sign of baptism properly
belongs to them as born members of the church, which is the covenant
community.

I hope this helps you understand the Presbyterian and Reformed
doctrine of infant baptism. For people who are not the children of
believers, a profession of faith is required for baptism. For the
children of believers, we assume that they are believers until they
prove otherwise because of God's promise to bless our children.

When I sent you that link to the RPCNA constitution, I only meant to
show you the covenant, which is about 5 pages worth of the
constitution. For the definitive doctrinal statement outlining the
historic Presbyterian/Reformed systematic theology, which explains
the doctrines of the covenant, soteriology, and baptism, read the
Westminster Confession of Faith:

http://www.opc.org/documents/WCF_chapters.html

It's about 20 pages long.

God bless,

Riley




--- In http://groups.yahoo.com/group/christianbiblediscussion/post?protectID=219015091009099134036098066085231040248248015241077171013193194056143057077004239018127196091252086039147035038070085168, cpt_tlr1167
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/christianbiblediscussion/post?protectID=219154114012175153218248017028052165026048139046> wrote:
> Dan,
> I`ve not read all the Covenant/constitution at the site you gave
me, but don`t understand your comment" permissive view" ? .My
understanding tho is salvation first then baptism,(for PC church) but
why baptise children? Sounds like RC doctrine to me.
> We disagree on the Millenium and its place in history.
> IMO "rapture" first, 2nd coming after Tribulation(7yr period) then
Millenium, then Eternity.
> Reformation/restoration IMO will not happen until Christ reigns in
Jerusalem, then not complete until after 1000 yrs.
> Cecil 2 Cor.4:5






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