Named after his grandfather
18 in 1860 Census
17 in 1860 Census
15 in 1860 Census
13 in 1860 Census
12 in 1860 Census
John Lively of the massacre is reported to have been the first settler in old Athens Precinct of St. Clair Co. This area apparently included all of St. Clair Co. of today lying south and east of the Kaskaskia River, but was included within Randolph Co. until its transfer to St. Clair Co. in December, 1813. John reportedly settled in 1805 in Athens Twp. where he lived until 1810 or 1811 when he moved further into the wilderness and settled 1-1/2 to 2 miles southeast of Covington in Washington Co., Ill., of today. In the 1810 Census of Randolph Co., John Lively and family were listed in Mary's River Twp. (location uncertain ). The children consisted of one girl age 10-16 years, two girls age 0-10, and two boys age 0-10. It is unknown whether additional children were born between 1810 and 1813.
David Huggins and his family show in Abbisville Dist, SC census 1790+1800. Illinois history books say they migrated to Illinois about 1800.
--- story of huggins-lively masacre, where David is mentioned ---
The story of the Lively Massacre has been reported in rnany different published works, most of which differ in several smaller details. One newspaper report printed in 1882 in the St. Louis Globe-Democrat was based on an interview made the preceding week with the only proven survivor out of John's family, Mrs. Jennie (Lively) Caudle. Reporting on the circumstances leading up to the massacre, the following was included in the report:
"At an early age her father, John Lively, with a wife and four children, came to Illinois and was camping out near Vandalia ( ?), looking for a location. The country was a vast wilderness of forest and tall grass, in which the ferocious Indians and wild beasts roamed with perfect freedom. One day Nat Hill, on old acquaintance, came upon the camp and persuaded her parents to let him adopt Jennie.
He placed her in front of him on his horse and brought her thirty miles to his residence in or near this county (i.e. Randolph). This incident proved of the greatest moment to the little pioneer girl, for just one week later a party of Indians came upon the camp of her parents and murdered father, mother, and children in the most barbarous manner." Aunt Jennie Caudle in the article mentions no additional surviving member of John Lively's family.
When John Lively moved to near Covington, his brother-in-law David Huggins (brother of his wife Mary Jane) accompanied him. When the Indians began to threaten, David Huggins returned with his family to St. Clair Co. where he remained for a year or so before moving to Perry Co. to live temporarily with his brother Robert Huggins (husband of Catherine Lively). In 1816 David Huggins returned with his family to Washington Co. to his former home near the site of the massacre and remained there until his death many years later.
In addition to John and Mary Jane his wife, the number of Livelys killed in the massacre is uncertain and variously given as from 2 to 5 children. That only the daughter Jennie or Jane who was living with Nathaniel Hill and a possible son William survived seems probable. One reference states that William was out hunting with Joseph Lively of Randolph Co. at the time of the massacre. Another states that the son who survived was out hunting with the hired man at the time,and that on their way south to the settlements for help after the massacre they stayed overnight in a grove of trees in the southwest corner of Washington Co., later named Lively Grove.
It is with difficulty for one today being familiar with this peaceful community of northern Washington Co. to visualize the terrible Indian atrocities committed upon the John Lively famly back in 1813. Returning from his hunting trip, the surviving son and his companion found not only that the other members of the family had been killed but that their bodies had been partly burned, dismembered and mutilated. An historical marker was erected in the 1930s at Lively Spring, the site of the massacre. When probated following his death, Johns estate consisted of personal property valued at $629.69. (Randolph Co. Estates, Box 65).
Served in Revolutionary War: 1777, Pvt., Capt Elliott's Co. of Militia, of Col. Harrison's Regt., from Brunswick Co., VA; in 1778, enlisted in regular army: Pvt. in Capt. Moore's Co., Col. Davies' Regt. Discharged in spring of
1780. in 1780, Pvt. in Capt. Thomas Thraykill's Co., either Col. Ridley's or Col. Holcomb's Regt. In 1781, in Capt. Lawrence House's Co., Col. Tucker's Regt. Pension # W 23186
Served in Civil War
