Synopsis: This is something I wrote some years ago about cartridge case walls "welding" to chamber walls. Of course, case walls don't really weld to chamber walls. The pressure inside a case will normally be high enough so that it expands the case until it touches the chamber wall (that's how a case seals or "obturates"). Any pressure in excess of that pressure causes a contact pressure between the case walls and the chamber walls. This excess pressure (times the area over which it works), then, provides the normal force which figures into the equation for frictional force: frictional force = coefficient of friction times normal force. If this frictional force exceeds the force trying to extract the cartridge (extraction force due to that same pressure acting on the case head through the area of the largest inside diameter of the case), then the case will do one of two things: sit there and not put any force on the breech block, or the extraction force will be high enough to stretch the case into contact with the breech block and then start to put force on the breech block. ============================================================ coeff's. of friction from CRC steel on brass .11 castor oil .13 long-chain fat acid .19 min oil .35 clean ============================================================ > From: John Bercovitz (bercov@bevb.bev.lbl.gov) > Subject: Re: Colt GM dynamics - conclusion > Newsgroups: rec.guns > Date: 1990-09-19 13:14:42 PST Chris Luchini's article in which he mentioned cartridge cases 'welding' to chambers intrigued me. We all know it happens or else we'd never see case stretching. But we also know that some cartridge cases, like that of the 45 ACP, don't stretch. So what's the difference? I think I've come up with a possible answer and I'd like to run it past you folks for comment. In short I propose that some cases have enough body surface area to grip the chamber walls and some don't. Since we already know that a 270 will exhibit case stretching if you set its shoulder back, let's look at some lower-pressure cartridges: 30-30: The body of a 30-30 averages about 0.4" diameter and is about 1.5" in length. A fired cartridge shows that the case expands from about 0.3" forward of the case head on to the case mouth. This leaves 1.2" for gripping the chamber (I'm ignoring the shoulder and neck). The area of this surface is (pi)*D*L= 1.5 in^2. So the force resisting axial motion of the case in the chamber when propellant pressure is high is: Faxr = (coefficient of friction) * (1.5 in^2) * (pressure of the propellant) The inside diameter of the case at its largest point is about 0.35" so the area on which the pressure acts is: (pi/4)*0.35^2 = 0.096 in^2 Axial force on the interior of the case head is then: Fax = (pressure of the propellant)*( 0.096 in^2) I think we'll all agree that if the force on the case head trying to extract the case from the chamber (Fax) is larger than the gripping force of the case body (Faxr), the case will move (unless the case stretches or the head separates). Since the pressure of the propellant is the same on the case head and in the case body, and Fax = Faxr to see some incipient motion, it is fair to combine the two equations above and find: (coefficient of friction)= (0.096 in^2)/( 1.5 in^2) = 0.064 So as long as the coefficient of friction of the 30-30 case in its chamber is greater than 0.064, the case will 'weld' to the chamber. Note that it would be unusual for the coefficient of brass against steel to be quite so low; therefore the 30-30 case must be a 'welder'. Hey - here's a crazy and dangerous thought: to fireform cases, why not reduce the powder charge to 2/3 so as to reduce the pressure to about 1/2 and then put a thin layer of high pressure grease on the case? It might lower the coefficient of friction enough to prevent case stretching. But I digress. 45 ACP: The same process applies mutatis mutandis to the 45 ACP: Pressure ring is 0.4 forward of case head leaving 0.49" for grip length; outside diameter is about 0.48 for a grip area of about 0.74 in^2. Cross sectional area of the internal diameter of 0.45" is 0.159 in^2. So minimum coefficient of friction for case welding is: 0.159 / 0.74 = 0.21. Since it would be unusual for a smooth chamber to have that high of a coefficient of friction against a brass case, the 45 ACP must be a 'slipper' rather than a 'welder'. All bets are off if you have a rough chamber; then you have gross deformation of the brass into grooves which, in the case of really decent rubber tires against asphalt, can give a pseudo-coefficient of friction higher than one. Be assured that I checked a few other things such as what pressure it takes to expand the case walls into contact with the chamber (low - about 7000 psi for the 30-30 and about 2700 psi for the 45 ACP) and what pressure it would take to stretch a 30-30 case in a rough, overlong chamber (about 30,000 psi give or take). JHBercovitz@lbl.gov ============================================================ The case is already in motion and gas is escaping when the case's walls contact the chamber's walls. Only way around that would be if the case were thinner in its middle than at its ends. Then the middle could expand before the case opens up enough to let go of the bullet. Also, in the case of a bottle-necked cartridge, the case wall is thin as a fraction of its inside diameter in the large part of the case but pretty thick as a fraction of its diameter around the bullet. So in that instance, the case body very likely expands into contact before the bullet is released. Since the case is already in motion and gas is escaping, the coefficient of friction between the case and chamber walls is greatly reduced: no static friction and the propellant gasses serve as a lubricant. And for the reason given above, such would not be the situation with a bottle-necked case. How far forward from the face of the case head do cartridges expand into contact with the chamber walls? (What is the distance to the bright "expansion ring"?) Obviously there is some head expansion even where the case does not contact the chamber; that's the principle of the case head expansion method of measuring safe chamber pressures. However, only case wall area in contact with the chamber walls generates friction. Also, only the area normally in contact with the chamber walls needs to be supported by the chamber walls; the rest of the area is normally unsupported and can be unsupported as the case is in ejecting itself in a blowback weapon.