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This mode allows you to check the functionality of every component of your SP-808
with power "off"
2.Press and hold the TRACK "D" STATUS button and the EFFECTS button below.
3.Turn power "on" (still holding the buttons)
4.Hold the buttons for approx 5 sec. until the display reads "checking SP808 op-1"
5.Use the cursor buttons to select which part you choose to test and press enter.
6.Feel better now that you know your machine is A-OK! (or worse if it doesnt check out!)
7.The numbers at the top of the first screen represent what OS version you are running
8.Its safe to turn off the machine anytime during this test as long as there is no disk in the drive, and that it is not in the middle of a test. REMEMBER-DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK-although i've never encountered a problem.
SAVE OperatingSystem WITH ZIPDISK
to format a ZIP disk to store backup on before
saving-it will not give you the option!!
2)Push 1/ + CLEAR below
LOCATOR at same time.
3)Switch Power On.
4)"SAVESYSPROG insert disk" is
5)Insert New SP-808 Zip disk.
This can be used to copy the operating system from a 808EX, and to update the original SP-808.
Use the tip below to install your OS via Zipdisk.
UPDATE AT YOUR
OWN RISK!!! ROLAND DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS!!!!!
UPDATE OS WITH ZIP DISK
2)Push and hold the buttons: [STATUS (TRACK SELECT)]+[EFFECTS (BAL/EQ/FX)] above
Track B at same time.
3)Switch Power On
4)"ZIP DISK UPDATE insert system disk" will be displayed.
5)Insert system disk (Use this to update your 808 operating system to an EX operating system)
UPDATE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!! ROLAND DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS!!!!!
"Disk Too Busy" Workaround
(You dont need an MPC to make beats anymore!!!)
1.) On track one- program
a simple hi-hat rhythm in step record (realtime if you
want.) Cut and paste a few times and let it repeat.
2.) On track two- record
your kick and snare in realtime, and set your quantize however you want
to. I find it easier to use the vari-pitch
at about 50% for fast beats, rather than recording them at normal speed.
3.)Now ,cut and paste this
a few times. Play back your two tracks now... Damn!"
Drive too Busy" error message again.
4.) Now here's the good part!!! Turn your vari-pitch down to about 25%. Bounce tracks 1 and 2 to track 3. As you'll notice, you don't get the error message! The zip drive is reading the disk at a much slower speed and therefore it gives itself time in between snippets to "catch up."
If 25% doesn't work, go lower...18%.
If that doesn't work then your beat is really complex!
After you get over the initial
shock and awe, copy your 3rd track
to the clipboard, and then to a pad of your choice!
by Chris Byron
Add a 250mb Zip drive to your 808!
Upgrading A Roland SP808 to Over One Hour Stereo Record Time/EX drive capacity.
First, this is not an official upgrade by Roland. Roland does not support this upgrade in any fashion and would caution you that doing this upgrade may invalidate your warranty if the upgrade causes any problems. Roland will not support this upgrade either so if you have problems with it your on your own.
Second, please do not attempt
this unless you are experienced with working with delicate electronics
equipment. At a minimum you should be comfortable with opening up a computer
chassis and changing a hard drive or a CD drive. While the work is not
difficult or tricky in any way you do need to use caution and safety (like
make sure the unit is unplugged before doing
anything!!!). If you are not confident that you "know what to do" I recommend having a friend that is or even a service shop do the upgrade.
Third you accept all liabilities of doing this upgrade. Roland , Harmony Systems Inc, And The SP-808 Users Network do not warrant the suitability in any way. If it works for you, great. if it doesn't work then your on your own.
What is it?
Iomega introduced a new ZIP drive this year that has a capacity of 250MB per cartridge. The cartridges are physically the same size and the newer drive can still read and write 100MB cartridges. The cost of the cartridges is about twice that of a 100MB so the per bit cost is a good value.
Originally these drives were just introduced in SCSI and Parallel port interfaces. The SP808, however, uses an IDE (also referred to as an ATAPI) internal ZIP drive so the original offerings were of no value to the SP808 owner (with a minor exception being as a larger drive for external libraries - BUT NOT BACKUPS). Within the last two months though the internal ATAPI ZIP250 drives have been showing up in computer superstores and on-line for prices between $150 and $170 (check pricewatch.com). This drive is a drop in replacement for the internal drive that is included in a stock SP808.
What are the benefits?
Simply, increased record time. A standard SP808 offers 23 minutes of stereo recording. At the lower sample rate you can extend this to be 32 minutes of stereo. This is probably the biggest practical limitation of the SP808 for use as a general purpose hard disk recording device. The lack of long track recording times limits it use for conventional songs one at a time and prevents long sets to be recorded.
Modifying the SP808 with the new internal ZIP250 gains you just over *one hour* of stereo recording time at 44kHz, or over 90 minutes at the lower sample rate of 32kHz. This is a seriously useful improvement to the normal operation of the SP808.
In order to qualify the new drive under use I have been using it since I made the change over six weeks ago. Operation is transparent and I experienced no surprises. Compatibility with the ZIP100 cartridges was fine as I have been able to intermix usage of 100MB and 250MB without issue. Most importantly all of my existing 100MB cartridges worked fine. As a measure of the utility of the increased storage I recorded three separate takes averaging 15 minutes each of the same song but with differing performances. I then proceeded to craft a single 8 minute mix from the 45 minutes of material making heavy use of the phrase editing capabilities of the SP808 as well as moving segments between the linear recording tracks and the sample pads. This work without issue [see additional note of a caution].
How do you do the change?
The SP808 is easy to open
up by removing the screws from the bottom. Once the bottom plate is removed
the entire electronics of the SP808 is easily accessible. The ZIP drive
is mounted in its own little removable area and can be slide out by simply
unscrewing its mounting, much like the way a hard drive is removed from
a PC. The wide ribbon cable and power cable connected to the original drive
should be detached before removing the drive. Take a moment before doing
this to write down
on a piece of paper the orientation of each cable, paying attention to the red strip on the ribbon cable and where it is in relationship to the ZIP drive. Do the same for the power cable as it is important to reconnect these in the same orientation.
Once the old drive is removed
simply slide in the new one, reattach the cables as before, and secure
the drive by screwing in the mounting screws. At this point, unless you
are experienced and confident, I would cautiously turn the unit over (right
side up) with the bottom cover removed and place it on a surface that is
free of anything (so nothing is poking under the unit).
Reattach power and give it a try to verify that everything is working. At the first sign of trouble after turning it on (like no display) IMMEDIATELY SHUT THE UNIT OFF AS SOMETHING IS MISCONNECTED. Recheck your work and fix whatever mistake was made.
After a successful test remove power, unplug, and proceed to attach the base metal plate as originally placed. Your SP808 is now ready for duty!
What to do with the ZIP100 drive you removed? It will work in a computer so that is one possible use. At a minimum I recommend keeping it so that should you ever need to return the SP808 to its original condition you can do so.
If you have the I/O and
SCSI expansion and are using an external SCSI ZIP drive for backup then
you will need to give serious consideration to also purchasing a ZIP250
external SCSI drive. The SP808 allows mixing of cartridge types for some
operations between the two drives but this is limited to reading songs
and samples from the external drive to the internal drive. The most important
limitation without an external 250MB drive is that you can not backup unless
both cartridges are the same.
This soon became a major hassle for me so I succumbed and purchased an external ZIP250 and have been very happy with the pairing.
If you are taking advantage of the converter program for getting samples in and out of the computer you will need to have a 250MB drive on the computer for complete flexibility. However in practice this has not been an issue for me as I can move a sample to a 100MB cartridge and then read and write that in the standard 100MB ZIP on my computer.
Upgrading the SP808 to a
250MB ZIP opens up the possibility of using it for serious HD recording
projects (and with the new OS all the functions of the EX model are available).
Granted you are
limited to only recording a single stereo pair at a time but for studio use that may not be an issue.
Notes and Cautions
While generally abusing
the SP808's phrase editing on an almost full ZIP 250 cartridge I experienced
a couple of "Drive Busy" errors while only playing back 3 tracks. This
is usually an indication that the hard drive is not being able to keep
up. In each case a simple bounce was all that was needed to fix the problem
and in each case the problem occurred in a region where every track was
a short phrase. I have experienced this one other time with a ZIP100 drive
so I do not believe that it is
because the ZIP250 if slower. Rather, I would expect that you will see this more often when you have a disk full of small phrases being reassembled from all over the drive. In computer DAWs this happens when the hard disk is highly fragmented and I suspect this is the case here. I do not believe this to be a practical issue but it is something one needs to be aware of.
*instructions blatanly stolen from http://www.delora.com/music/gear/sp808upgrade_txt.htm
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