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Date: Fri, 07 Jul 100 12:50:50 GMT From: trekona@erols.com To: davidc@iei.net (David Collins) References: 1 Oh dear! I've been saving a couple WW that I needed to respond to, and now my computer has gone and done something bazaar and I've lost it! The only thing I can remember, is that Angelique in Silver Spring MD asked me if I taught classes. The answer is: no, I've only barely been weaving for a couple years now. Well, ok, I've done some basket demos and I taught three people how to make a melon basket but I've never taught anything formally. If there were any other questions that someone asked me that I hadn't gotten to answering, please ask me again because I've lost it! ;-} Judy Mitchell in humid, hazy & frequently hot MD %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 4 I. 20 Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:01:02 EDT From: Linhebert@aol.com To: davidc@iei.net Re: Cathryn's MN Grant Cathryn, I hope that you'll share more of your grant/apprenticeship stories about working with Ben. I've enjoyed reading the first of it on the AOL Basket Board :-) and I'm sure that all of your friends on Weaver's Words will want to hear all about it too. Linda Hebert, Weaving on the deck in hot hot Arkansas. V. I. Reed & Cane http://www.basketweaving.com %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Subject: Michelle's Christmas Cookie Basket Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:33:33 -0500 From: "Carol Antrim" To: Carol and Winnie..."true the base" also means you want your base to be a square or rectangle, not a parallelogram...you do this by measuring the two diagonals...corner to opposite corner...when they are equal, your base is "true." I was taught to always true the base on square work baskets. Evie, Check a craft store that carries florals. That's where the craft store I shop has The Wraphia...I tried it for pine needle coilings but didn't like it. I prefer to work with damp flexible needles though...the people who work with dry needles may have better luck. But this is a paper and it doesn't react well to getting wet. Carol in East Central Indiana getting ready to head out to Montana where I'm teaching an Antler as Feet Basket AND attending my HS reunion! http://cantrim.homepage.com/ %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 4 I. 13 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 23:38:27 -0500 From: Roberta Comstock To: David Collins "Weavers Words" Vol. 4 Iss. 13 Helen - To freshen the musty smelling reed, try opening a coil and soaking it for about 10 minutes in water with baking soda added. I'd put about 1/3 cup of soda per gallon of water. Be sure to dry it well before rewinding and storing. Kathie Anderson - I doubt if anyone will yell about a recipe that sounds so yummy. Hope David put it on the website! It's too hot here right now to even think about firing up a grill and staying outside long enough to cook on it. I finally broke down and turned on the central air conditioning. Haven't needed it before now. Lois - I don't know what kind of child policy our guild has. Few of the members are young enough to have small children. If it came up, I would be inclined to suggest that it might be okay occasionally to bring a child who knows how to sit quietly and read or work puzzles or draw and would not be disruptive. An older child who wants to weave would be welcome to participate if they are able to keep up with the class. Children who cannot (or will not) sit still or play quietly should not be brought to meetings. Parents should be able to tell in advance whether their children could attend a meeting without being disruptive. Karen Awong - An iced footbath sounds like a good way to keep cool while weaving outdoors this summer. Only, I think I'd rather sit than stand. Bert Comstock Lauderdale, Independence, MO (95 degrees + 80 % humidity = Ugh!) %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 00:01:05 CDT From: "Cynthia Taulbee" To: davidc@iei.net Shirley in Duluth, I use a huge three ring binder for my patterns. I'm sure I'll outgrow it soon and have to split into two. I organize them by type of basket. My divider labels read such as "round", "square to round", "wood base", "Christmas", "unique", etc. This splits the patterns into smaller groups and, if you know what kind of basket you are looking for or feel like making, they are very easy to find. I hope this helps Cindy T. in Franklin Grove, Ill %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Pine Needle Baskets & Raffia Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 22:31:45 -0700 From: Doug Pickles & Glennie McKirdy To: davidc@iei.net Evie, Raffia is used as the weaver in Pine Needle baskets. It is a palm, and the one from Madagascar is usually the nicest. Strong, long, and doesn't fray as easily as some. One place I know that has good raffia is The Caning Shop in Berkley Ca. They do mail order. Web page: www.caning.com Sometimes I find it in craft supply stores. It usually comes in a braid or a hank. This is a LOT of raffia, but once I find a good source, it's worth stocking up! Test it by giving it a tug, and if it breaks, it will give you trouble as you are working. Hope this is of some help. I am in Canada, so probably there are other sources in the U.S. that I'm sure other WW will tell you about. I sent my swap basket off today. Across the continent diagonally about as far away as it could go and not cross the ocean! I am so excited! This is my first swap. And now I am going away for a month, so I will be phoning every other day to see of my basket has arrived!! Glennie McKirdy in Creston, British Columbia, Canada. PS. I liked the idea I read a few issues ago where it was suggested that people post where they are from. Yes! Please! So often when you use two letters to identify your state, unless it is one of the western states, I am lost! %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 4 I. 20 Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 07:36:03 EDT From: Wickrwoman@aol.com To: davidc@iei.net, SAdamczak@smdc.org Shirley, I read in your signature line that you live on the shores of Lake Superior in Minnesota, where about? I will be teaching hole-to-hole caning on a footstool and a cane twill on a footstool next weekend, July 14 & 15 at the North House Folk School in Grand Marais, MN. Are you anywhere near there? Can you come for a visit if you're close? Check out my website "Class Schedule" for further details and class sign up information. Hope our paths cross soon, if they haven't already, and I just forgot! The Wicker Woman/Cathryn Peters Wicker restoration specialist, basketmaker, teacher, and author. Visit my website, http://www.wickerwoman.com Subscribe to my free ezine, http://wickerwoman.listbot.com/ Email Wickrwoman@aol.com %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 4 I. 20 Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 07:53:43 EDT From: Wickrwoman@aol.com To: davidc@iei.net, dgatz@sparc1.sricboces.org Dolores, Loved the slide show on WebShots that you posted for the pineneedle group! That's terrific! I was not aware of WebShots, but it seems the same as our PhotoPoint website that the AOL basket board members have gone crazy with. One thing that is different, is the slide show and the screen savers, as far as I know, PhotoPoint doesn't offer that. I take it your postings are only for the pineneedle basketmakers? Just to give you all an idea of what we have done with the free picture website called PhotoPoint, I am listing some of the URLs for some of our gals. You will have to cut and paste to your browser, unless I can get the HTML coding down correctly. Here goes. Cathryn Peters < a href=http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=16796&Auth=false>href=http://a lbums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=16796&Auth=false Peggy Koch http://albums.photopoint .com/j/AlbumList?u=14650 Brenda Traffis http://albums.photopoint .com/j/AlbumList?u=30429 Linda Jarvis http://album s.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=310981&Auth=false Think I will stop here just in case the HTML codes are not working right for these to become clickable links. If they don't work, take the stuff between and including the http:// and the last word "false" for the complete URL. The Wicker Woman/Cathryn Peters Wicker restoration specialist, basketmaker, teacher, and author. Visit my website, http://www.wickerwoman.com Subscribe to my free ezine, http://wickerwoman.listbot.com/ Email Wickrwoman@aol.com %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 4 I. 20 Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:10:11 EDT From: CBasketbear@aol.com To: davidc@iei.net Roberta Comstock, Could you tell me more about the belt basket, name of author, name of pattern and any other information that you can give me. I would appreciate it. Thanks for your help. Alice Edwards, Thanks on telling us about Noresta, I looked up their website and couldn't believe all the colors they dye in. That is great for people that don't have the space or time to dye reed. I am one that does dye my own reed but I am going to get some colors from them that I don't dye, and they have so many space-dyed reed also. Thanks again Arlene, Aren't the people at Baskets of Joy GREAT. They have helped me out so much in the past. They are great and if anyone is traveling this summer thru Maine you should stop and see them. They will help you any way they can. David, I want to thank you so much for all the work you do on WW. You are great, I get up every morning and before I do anything I turn on the computer to see if there is any WW in my mailbox. I just love when it comes and you have helped so many people, Thanks again David. And I also would like to say I know what people mean about having so many patterns. I keep on getting more and if I ever sat down and wove each and everyone I think it would take me 10 years, so I guess I am not alone. And I have also got doubles on some as I forget I have the pattern and I buy it again. Claudia Hopkins from Chepachet Rhode Island where we are having nice dry weather, great weather to weave, so that is what I am going to do. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 4 I. 20 Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:35:19 EDT From: NanoAnd@aol.com To: davidc@iei.net, SAdamczak@smdc.org Shirley, About organizing patterns...I use 3 ring binders too...I have only been weaving for a few years so only have 3, 3ring binders so far but my method seems to be working for me so far. Because many pattern names don't describe the basket very well, and I'm not good at remembering them anyway, I don't used the names of the pattern to organize them. I sort them by base shape, like irregular, ribbed, round, oval, square, rectangular, octagon etc. Then in each of those categories I sort by handle...none, bushel, filler, push-in, and D handles. Then if you know what KIND of basket you want to make you can just flip right to that section of patterns. For instance a D handled tote would be in the rectangular section under D handles. I also keep my books in a separate binder altogether. I work, so far, only with reed. If you are into a lot of different materials this may not work for you. But I hope this helps! I'm wondering what Tracey ever decided to do with organizing her reed room? With all the good suggestions out there I'm sure she now has the perfect room! Happy weaving! Nan Anderson - SW Michigan, beautiful right now!!! NanoAnd@aol.com %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: To Shirley Adamczak, Deluth, Minn Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 07:54:27 -0500 From: "Julie Shanks" Organization: Prodigy Internet To: To Shirley Adamczak, Deluth, Minn In regards to organizing your Basket Directions. I had the same problem has you had organizing all my patterns. So last year I sat one night a reorganized all my directions in to many different areas. First I started with holiday patterns. Christmas, Easter, and etc. Then I filed all patterns with wooden bases. Then I separated patterns according to the handle types. D handles, swing handles and then wire handles. Then a notebook with baskets with no handle. This has helped my so much when looking for a certain typed basket and then refilling my directions. I also store all my notebooks in a Rubbermaid tub on the floor for easy access. Happy Weaving, Julie Shanks, Sunny Chicago, Il Julie K. Shanks jshanks1@prodigy.net %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: (no subject) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:07:24 EDT From: Deesbasketcase@cs.com To: davidc@iei.net David I have been looking for patterns for baskets used during the civil war. I have not found anything I can use. Reenactment groups want me to weave for them if you know where I can get pictures or patterns to weave I would appreciate it Thanks Dee Johnson e-mail Deesbasketcase@cs.com %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Weavers Words Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 10:16:55 EST From: "Patricia Steinmetz" To: davidc@iei.net THERE HAS BEEN A MISTAKE IN INFORMATION, I am NOT the contact person for the National Basketmakers Organization. Catheryn Peters, the Wickerwoman, gave my email address as the contact person. I don't now anything about the NBO. I had asked for information myself. I apologize to everyone who wrote to me asking for more information. I wish I could help you. If and when I receive the correct information, I will pass it on to WW. I understand that Genny Gray may have the information we are looking for but I do not have her email address. pstmtz513@hotmail.com is my email address - NOT Genny Gray's. Thank you for your understanding, I am so sorry for the confusion. Pat Steinmetz %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Basket swap #9 Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:32:56 -0500 From: "Fleming" To: This may be a repeat. Outlook is funny today! A basket is beginning its journey from Indiana to Michigan today. I hope it enjoys the trip and arrives safely!! Lynne, in hot, humid Indiana Leaving for the North Carolina beach today!! %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 4 I. 20 Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:33:53 EDT From: "bonnie hauser" To: davidc@iei.net Hi, The Museum of Appalachia is in Norris TN. The Museum is a living history museum with old buildings and animals. A friend was there a few weeks ago and said it was nice place. They had old style Oak baskets. I hope to go sometime. Sincerely, Bonnie Hauser In hot and sunny Buchanan Michigan %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Basket weaver Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:40:42 -0400 From: "Craig Spiegel" To: Hi Craig! Off the top of my head, I don't know of anyone who works in wicker in my area. Your best bet is to contact Linda at basketc@bright.net or David at davidc@iei.net and they know the most of the weaver's directly. My mom only makes Nantucket, shaker and antler style baskets so no help there! Good luck! Peter %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Nantucket staves Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:03:08 -0400 From: "Joe Conroy" To: "David Collins" Tracy in NY, Couple of ways to estimate number of Nantucket staves. For an 8" mold calculate the circumference by multiplying 8" times pi (8 x 3.14 = 25.12). Convert this to mm. (25.12 x 25 = 628) Assume you are using 6mm cane for staves and 2.25mm weaver (fine fine). Add the cane & weaver = 8.25mm. Divide 628 by 8.25 = 76 staves. Use 75 staves so you can have an odd number for continuous weave. After all that math you may have noticed you can just take the diameter and multiply by 9!! A lot easier and close enough. I doubt that you'll find many pattern books for Nantucket's. John McGuire has a good general book and a smaller one devoted to a creel purse. Maggie Silva has a couple of good beginner booklets. You can teach yourself Nantucket's, but I strongly recommend taking lessons for your first project. Joe Conroy Exeter, RI %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 4 I. 14 Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 18:03:59 -0500 From: Roberta Comstock To: David Collins "Weavers Words" Vol. 4 Iss. 14 Hi Billie! - Good point about the display not distracting from the baskets. Darla - I don't have kids at home, but still have trouble blocking out specific time to weave without interruptions. Katy - Hope your knee is healing rapidly now. Do you have some little projects, such as twined waxed linen, to work on until you can handle the stairs again? Sheri L. Van Duyn Best wishes for your Mom's recovery. My brother had a quad bypass in '95 and is healthier than ever now. Enjoy your boat trip! Sound's great. We're looking into houseboat rentals for a trip next year & talking with friends who may join us. Constance Yousey - There was some discussion of base slot in WW last year some time. I believe most people said they are done with a special router bit. Margie - I don't have a place to smoke baskets yet, but I'll keep it in mind if we ever get to move to the country. Maybe I should talk to some of my hunter friends. Ho long do you let the baskets smoke? Jayna - I'd say you're doing well if you've only bought one duplicate pattern! I don't buy a lot of patterns, but probably do have several dozen I haven't made yet. Beth - where in Wi do you live? I will be traveling up that way in August & might have room to bring some driftwood. What size pieces do you need? Darla - The shave clamp that attaches to a table is usually referred to as a shave pony, I think. They're nice if you are short on space or want easy portability. I really prefer to work on a shave horse, though. Haven't got my own built yet, but have it on the to-do list. At the 'war' last month I bought 2 books on working with green wood. The first, GREEN WOODWORK: Working with wood the natural way, by Mike Abbot is a British book (1989, Guild of Master Craftsmen Publications, Ltd., ISBN 0-946819-18-1). It has a chapter on the Shaving-horse beginning with cleaving the log. The second book, GREEN WOODWORKING: A Hands-On Approach, by Drew Langsner is American (1995, Lark Books, ISBN 0-937274-8288). Appendix A - Making a Shave Horse, has measured diagrams and a photo of a simple shavehorse made from seasoned lumber. This book also includes Rachel Nash Law and Martha Weatherbee in the Meet Some Green Woodworkers chapter. Stephanie Funck - Welcome! The WW website search is for back issues of WW only. It doesn't do a regular web search. Try going to some of the linked sites though, if you don't want to wait for answers in a future issue. Bert Comstock Lauderdale, Independence, MO %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Basket Swap #9 Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 20:57:15 -0600 From: "Faye Stukey" To: "David Collins" References: 1 Hi Everybody! I would like to thank everybody for following up with me when you send and receive your baskets! It helps me out so much to know this information! I know a lot of baskets are in route to their destinations... I can't wait to hear about them on Weavers Words! Now... I have a question for you' all. I have a twelve-year-old daughter... soon to be thirteen... who has recently made her first few baskets. She is so excited about basketry... and would even like to enter one of her creations in the Northwest Montana State Fair! The thing that really bums her out is that our basket swaps are for adults (at least that's what I've told her when she asks if she can participate in a swap). What I was wondering is if any of you weavers out there have children who share my daughter's interest in swapping baskets? Maybe we could coordinate a "Kids Basket Swap #1"! Please write to me if you're interested! Faye Kalispell, Montana stukey@digisys.net %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 4 I. 20 Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 21:55:25 EDT From: StarlaK@aol.com To: davidc@iei.net Linda Crowe--Rit Dye is available in Black Plum. I've ordered it before from Restorations, I'm sure several of the suppliers carry it, ask them next time you place an order. I sometimes add a little purple to it to brighten it up a bit. One more suggestion for organizing reed. I asked the woman who taught me a couple of baskets how she organized her things. It's Melissa Fields formally in Fayetteville, NC. She suggested going to the liquor store and using some of the boxes they are tossing out. I loved the idea. Several have a separate piece of cardboard in the middle, this way I'm able to put my flat on one side and the flat/oval on the other and then I store them on an inexpensive wooden shelf set up in a closet. I'm hesitant to store any of my reed in plastic. Glad for those of you who are having luck doing so. Bert- LOVE the fanny pack basket idea. I wonder why it never occurred to me to try it before. Let me know when you work something out. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Basket Weekends & Lampshades Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 14:02:02 -0500 From: "Barbara Byrne" To: "David C (Weavers Words)" Hi all, First I'd like to thank everyone for the leads on lampshade patterns. A fellow WWer has generously offered to give me a book she has and I'm really excited about getting started. Thanks, Michelle. You've been my "mentor" on more than one occasion! Secondly, for all of you who have registered or shown interest in my basket retreat weekends - a resounding THANK YOU!! Ann Rohlf's weekend is full (therefore closed) and Patti Hawkins' is nearly there (just a couple of slots left). We still have openings for Jodi Shebester and Ruth Andre, so send in those registrations if you're wanting to come. I'm really looking forward to hosting these events! Thanks again for all your support and encouragement! Barb in Vienna, MO Barb & Mike Byrne Come see what a RELAXING GETAWAY can be!! Gasconade Nature Retreat & Getaway www.nature-retreat.com byrne@socket.net %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 4 I. 15 Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 16:09:28 -0500 From: Roberta Comstock To: David Collins "Weavers Words" Vol. 4 Iss. 15 Barb Byrne - Yes, you can make a good stain from hickory. The hulls that cover the nuts will yield the best stain or dye. They are easily crushed. Soak them for several days (or weeks) in water, boil, and strain. When I first encountered hickory in Iowa back in the late '60s, I was fascinated by the shape and texture of the hulls. They break away from the nut in concave crescents. I actually made a bead curtain of them in the early'70s. I drilled a hole at each end and strung them on fish line with assorted beads between them. It made a nice soft clatter when moved. I think the hulls could also make good ornaments for baskets. Have fun! Rowena Philbeck - Welcome! The two basketry techniques I most often see on gourds are coiling with pine needles and round reed weaving. Either method requires that the gourd be cut and cleaned out and have a series of holes drilled around the cut edge. For coiling, they are quite small and as close together as you would make your stitches. For reed, they are a bit larger and spaced further apart (but not too far) so a bent reed can be passed through from the inside to make a pair of spokes on the outside of the gourd. This method requires an even number of holes. The spokes are then turned upward and woven or twined like a basket. Sometimes I also see holes cut in the sides of a gourd, small holes drilled around the edge, and then worked with Tenerife medallion fill-ins. Tenerife is a style of needle lace that is sometimes used in coiled pine needle baskets. There is an email list for willow and natural basketry. If you don't hear from Sharle Osborne soon, get back to me and I will look up the information on how to subscribe to that list. I don't know of any magazine for natural basketry, but there are several excellent books on the market. Mary Hooper - Thanks for the good review on dealing with publishers and editors and protecting copyrights. Terry Degrave - Carol Matteson is in St. Louis, MO. She has just become the president of the MO Basketweavers Guild. She has a shop and probable carries the frames you need. You can email her at . Dee - Congratulations to your daughter on completing her degree! Bert Comstock Lauderdale, roasting and steaming in Independence, MO %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% If for any reason you would ever like to cancel your subscription, simply send me a message with "unsubscribe" as your subject.