"Weavers Words" Vol. 3 Iss. 97 Date Sent: February 04, 2000 Web Page: http://members.xoom.com/dgcollins/ Subscribers: 1319 David Collins 408 North Devon Avenue Indianapolis, IN 46219 Phone: (317) 899-5747 Fax: (520) 222-0391 davidc@iei.net %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Do You Like Weavers Words? Click Below To "Recommend-It" To A Friend! http://recommend-it.com/l.z.e?s=210339 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% The Basket Bookstore Stop by "Weavers Words Basketry Bookstore" for a great selection of basketry literature & save up to 40%. Over 40 titles to choose from. The address is: http://members.xoom.com/dgcollins/book.html %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Attention New Subscribers You can search Weaver's Words web page and back issues by going to Weaver's Words web page (http://members.xoom.com/dgcollins/) and entering your search criteria into the PinPoint search box. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Attention AOL Subscribers For some reason some AOL subscribers haven't been receiving Weaver's Words through email. If you are one of these subscribers, or know one of someone who has not been receiving Weaver's Words, you can get all of the issues on the Weaver's Words web page. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Hi Everyone, I came across the Top Ten ways to make a good web site. I know many of you have web sites, so I thought you might try this. 1) State up front and in as few words as possible what your website has to offer to your visitors. For example, on my own site at http://www.websites.co.nz I say up front "Linking you top Websites, People, Books and Free Stuff" Always use the word "You" when doing this, not the words "we", "our" or "us" Your visitors want to know what's in it for them, not to hear you go on about how great you are. 2) Make it interesting and relevant. Content is King, not flashy graphics and animations that take ages to download. Make the content unique and interesting for your visitors. 3) Make your site attractive to look at and easy to navigate. Avoid large, flashy graphics unless your site depends on them for its very purpose and you are sure your visitors won't mind the wait. (Even then Pray Hard!) 4) Make sure the images you do use are optimized for smallest file size (read quickest download time.) Web Surfers are impatient. If your site takes too long to load they will hit the "stop" button and go elsewhere. There are free tools available to optimize the file size of your graphics without sacrificing appearance. You can use the free JPEG and GIF reduction tools at my site http://www.websites.co.nz in the "Web Tools" section 5) Make sure you are hosted on a quality web server and that you have your own domain name. Again, a quality pay web server will increase your site's speed (particularly if you are successful in attracting lots of visitors which is what we all want, isn't it?) Anyone who doesn't understand why anyone who is serious about their site needs their own domain name should ask themselves what looks more professional: a website address like http://www.miserlymeanfreepages.com/members/misers/~mybusinessstorefronttothe world.html Or http://www.mybusiness.com? If you need to organize a new domain name, you can check out available domains and register one from the "discount domain name registration" link from the main page of my site at http://www.websites.co.nz 6) Exchange links with other sites. 50% of website visitors arrive from links from other sites, rather than directly from Search Engines. When I first started out I was loathe to link to sites with similar content to mine for fear of "losing" customers. Big mistake! We actually all benefit by linking to sites with similar content, particularly if we can persuade the owners of the other sites to link back to us. It's a big world-wide web out there. Spread it around a bit and you will be rewarded. 7) Give something away for free, and keep giving. We all know the oft-quoted statistic that visitors will come to your site at least 4 times on average before they buy. If you haven't given them something of value on the first, second and third visit then you will never have the opportunity to make that sale. 8) Create your own opt-in newsletter. The best way I have found to build loyalty, trust and return visits to your site. Never "spam" to try to drum up business. Always make your newsletter "opt-in" and always include details with each newsletter of how to "opt out." Make sure the information is useful and not a blatant attempt at self-promotion. (That's not to say you shouldn't give yourself a plug, but make sure it's useful and relevant to your subscribers, and make sure it answers the question of "what's in it for them." 9) Promote your site every opportunity you get, online and offline. Obviously this includes Search engines (you can submit your site to 40 of them for free from the "Free Stuff" section at http://www.websites.co.nz) and business cards, letterheads, etc. But also subtly include mention of your site in your conversations with your hairdresser, motor mechanic, doctor, bank manager, etc. as the opportunity arises. And have cards prepared with the website URL on them to hand out. You'd be surprised how much business comes from word of mouth. Although the Internet is global, people locally will be impressed to find out what you are doing, and if not connected, (who isn't these days?) they will be keen to check your site out next time they are online. 10) Check your HTML compatibility in a variety of browsers. One lesser-known browser you should check out is Opera (http://www.operasoftware.com). Why? Because this browser conforms to the html standards and will often highlight errors in coding and formatting that will not show up in the latest versions of Netscape and Internet Explorer. I was shocked to see my own site for the first time in Opera, so I redesigned it and now that it looks OK in Opera I am a little bit more confident it should look OK in most of the other browsers and versions out there. Also check browser compatibility, html validity, load time, link integrity, search engine readiness, etc with the free Siteinspector service which (you guessed it!) I have included for your convenience at http://www.websites.co.nz in the "Web Tools" section. Take Care, David %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: ww Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:18:00 -0600 From: pcole@mocc.com (Cole, Paul) To: Dear David, Thank You for all you do to link so many wonderful people together. I really appreciate you and enjoy this site. I received a very special basket today. Thank you so much Lynn Sherlock from NY. I know I wrote you directly but I just wanted to share with everyone how much I am enjoying my basket. Lynn made a beautiful Cross Stitch Caddy, I love the design and the colors are perfect for me. The basket is woven beautifully and with love. It was also full of extra surprises. So very thoughtful. I will cherish this basket. Thanks Lynn. Your friend, Cathy Also Great big Thanks to Delores Getz for organizing this swap. It sounds as if it has brought great joy to many. I appreciate all your efforts. It is so much fun to be linked with a weaving buddy, and to receive a gift of their talents. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Retayne Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 23:11:01 EST From: CHobbsNANA@aol.com To: davidc@iei.net To answer the retayne question, I put a capful in the dye water. However, make sure the water is very hot, boiling or very near it. It does not dissolve well, and just gums up if not very hot. If this happens, bring your dye water to a boil, and keep stirring. I usually leave my reed in for 10 minutes, turn it over, and leave for another ten minutes. Before adding reed, I put in a scrap of reed and dye it for several minutes to check what shade it will be. Then, adjust the water or the dye so you get the color you want. When it is ready to remove, I dunk it into ice water in the sink to rinse. Then, I hang it to dry. Got it? OK. Clare %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Swap Basket Got Here! Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 22:28:58 -0600 From: Debbie Czerwionka To: David Collins Well, I cannot tell you how pleasantly surprised I was when at 10:00 pm I was locking up around the house for the night and I peeked out in front and a box was waiting on the doorstep! I was so excited - my first swap! Well - my swap partner has to go to the store tomorrow to stock up on tape because this box took me 10 minutes to open, at least, but it was well worth it! My basket was made by Karen Boswell of Florida - and it is truly wonderful. When my 16-year-old son who doesn't look twice at my baskets said "that is really spectacular!" - need I say more? I was so excited I called my husband at the firehouse and he of course said "cool"! Men, so emotional sometimes. My daughter will be home tomorrow from college and can't wait to see it! Enough about my family - on to the basket. Karen chose a space dyed reed in pastels in a basket she designed herself! Dolores Gatz had to persuade me to participate in the swap because I am a novice weaver - and now I have some real goals to challenge me. One day I will be this good Karen! Karen said she chose the colors to give me some brightness up here in the Windy City in the winter. The basket is approximately 11" x 8" rectangular - 6" deep and 11" at the top of a beautifully finished handle wrapped with natural and space dyed reed and to top off all that beautiful color it has "violet "ribbon" work overlayed or overwoven for a kind of Victorian fancywork" (as Karen so aptly put it). I cannot tell you how wonderful this experience was and then the thoughtful surprises tucked inside - a beautiful handwritten card telling me about Karen and her family - homemade heart shaped coasters which Karen hand quilted in the same color scheme as my basket - designer cocoas to go inside my new giant Florida coffee mug - also color coordinated with my basket. Thank you fellow weavers for your support and kindness during this swap - I only hope my talents show a glimmer of the talent I received. Now, where do I put this beautiful basket - I have to find somewhere very special - that is after I take it to my two jobs and show it off to everyone I know! Thank you, Debbie Czerwionka Chicago, IL %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 3 I. 96 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 02:43:57 -0500 From: "Deleana A. Adams" To: David Collins References: 1 Thought WW's readers who were asking about Kool-Aid dyes would get a kick out of this. A couple of years ago I was visiting a friend in Winchester, VA, who lives across from one of the large old historical farms. We were collecting cattail leaves (for chair rush) from the irrigation pond when I noticed a couple of white cows in the field nearby. The cows appeared to be bleeding from their mouths and I was concerned they had tangled with some barbed wire. As it turned out, the farmer was feeding his cows liquid Kool-Aid; the kind that comes pre-mixed in plastic bottles! The local Kool-Aid manufacturer was no longer permitted to dump their sugary effluent at the sewage plant, because the liquid is considered to be a hazardous waste (it contains food grade chemicals). Well, the local farmers caught wind of the situation and began accepting the Kool-Aid for cow fodder. It seems the Kool-Aid drink fattens the cows more rapidly and gives the farmers a quicker and larger yield at market time. Because the cows love the Kool-Aid so much, as soon as they hear the big tanker trucks heading up the road they start running to be first at the feed troughs! The Kool-Aid company is happy that they've found a safe and inexpensive dump for their "hazardous waste," the farmers are ecstatic because they have fatter, healthier cows, and the Kool-Aid has permanently dyed the cow's faces a beautiful deep red! Regards, Deleana Adams Willingboro, NJ %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Tatting basket, etc. Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 00:02:35 -0800 From: "M. L. Ames" To: Hello, I wanted to thank everyone who responded to my query about a basket for Tatting, and share my findings. I asked basket makers via WW and Susi Nuss' Mining Co site, as well as tatters via several tatting sites. The tatters were full of practical information about functional requirements, such as a cloth liner to avoid snagging the ball of thread or losing fine needles or crochet hooks, but most suggested that there was no particular historically correct basket specifically used for tatting work and supplies. The basket makers sent me half a dozen different basket ideas, descriptions, photos or patterns, of tatting baskets. Their sheer variety was fascinating, and because of that, I am inclined to agree with the tatters that the label came to the basket more because it was conveniently used by a handywoman somewhere, sometime to hold her needlework, rather than due to any specific quality, shape or functional aspect of the basket that made it intrinsically well suited for that purpose. The baskets included a) one of possible MicMac origin or inspiration, a wall basket, with stair step shaped back panel, rectangular receptacle, and ash curls, b) finely woven Shaker rectangular open baskets with handles of various design, in several sizes, c) a small cylindrical lidded ash and sweet grass basket, worn from the wrist d) a curious boat-shaped ribbed basket, with swinging shopping bag style handles, woven from split skeined willow (I think), from England. In the end, I made none of those for my retiring friend, but chose to make a lidded Victorian Sewing Basket from a pattern by Flo Hoppe. My friend was very pleased. I only had to e-mail Flo once with questions, mostly because I left it to the last minute and didn't have time to work out the solutions for myself. I highly recommend both of her books, and any of her patterns, for their beautiful baskets with fine details, excellent illustrations and clearly written directions. At the weaving event I hosted in January several of us worked on Adirondack style backpacks from a pattern by Dianne Stanton. I have had my pattern for years and finally followed through (familiar to anyone?!) I plan to give it to my husband for Valentines Day, and I wonder if it will be appropriate or have I made it too "feminine"? Being contrary, I couldn't just make the pattern as written, but insisted on adding my own spin. I exaggerated the shape somewhat, giving it cat-head style feet with a decidedly pregnant bulge and dainty "waist" instead of the intended gentle swelling. And instead of plain weave I just had to do it in a continuous spiral of 2-1 twill. I found the shaping aspect was challenging to control, and the flat oval reed I selected was a little too wimpy to hold the shape, so about four inches up from the bottom I added a four rod arrow weave in round reed to stiffen it, and switched to slightly heavier flat oval. Near the top, when I had shaped the basket back in and was having difficulty getting the weavers between the stakes, I repeated the four rod arrow and switched back to the slightly narrower flat oval. I have yet to install the rim, carve skids to fit the bottom, and travel to the tannery for leather straps. What do you all think? Too cutesy for words, or he should be so lucky? I guess if he hates it, I'll have myself a dandy backpack. Couple of other quick items: I thought including copies of one's guild newsletters with swap baskets was a terrific idea! Someone mentioned a basketry calendar - please give particulars if they are still available. Someone else mentioned keeping a basket "natural" for food usage. I assume this means un-stained. I have had this debate with my husband before, and wonder what you all think. If reed is treated with fungicide and/or insecticide or other chemicals to bleach or treat it, and toxic dyes (even Rit) are used to color the reed, are reed baskets safe for serving food or storing fruit, even with a liner? %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 3 I. 96 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 03:29:14 EST From: Kjbos@aol.com To: davidc@iei.net Wanted to let Eileen Spilman know that her beautiful tote from way up in the Minnesota Cold Country arrived way down here in drizzly-but-warmer North Florida and is just SOOO PERFECT! I love the "gentle shaping" it has and how roomy it is! I do not have a 2-handled tote and have steered away from making a tote basket as I thought they all sounded too narrow and stiffly confining to be very useful --- This is just the right size, roomy and easy to get into and is sooo comfortable to carry in hand or on arm! I am impressed with the smooth and even-tensioned weaving, love the filled-in bottom and the subtle contrast of the many rows of twining reaching well up onto the sides and the evenly woven 1/4" which provides a backdrop for the "non-bleeding" pair of deep cranberry red chain rows which decorate the 1/2" stakes. Don't know what you did to keep the red from bleeding onto the light reed, but there isn't even a hint of pinkish dye "hiding" anywhere near the natural, something I can never quite get right..... Bestest of all, a sweet Guatamlan angel perches on the outside and another one with woven round reed wings was nestled inside -- Eileen, your "Hope Angel" is in a focus spot in my angel collection and I was thrilled with your thoughtfulness in sending her with the basket ... I especially loved your story about her origins --- a story which touched my heart. Good Luck on your generous endeavors! Thank you for such a lovely basket, angel and story about the sharing of one's talents and skills to help others enjoy a better life --- all in all, what a wonderful Valentine Gift of many kinds!!!!! Karen, who already has this "just right" beautiful basket packed with her quilt class handouts for next week.... and who has enjoyed this swap tremendously! %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Swap basket received Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 06:29:34 -0600 From: "Tim Hall" To: Hello to all! I'm usually a "lurker" and just had to write about my swap basket from Jennifer Mulcore-Sullivan. I received it yesterday while on the phone to my basket buddy. When I told Cindy my basket came, she was just as excited as I was. She flew over in her car and we opened it together. I pulled out a variegated twill cat-head basket! Did y'all (they say that here in Texas) hear us screaming for joy? Although the basket is just great, the rim is particularly well constructed with fantastic scarfing and waxed (?) linen thread. I have not used this in my baskets and now I have an example to follow and quality to try to replicate. THANK YOU SO MUCH, JENNIFER! :) A while ago, there was a lady that told about how she keeps her walnut stain going. She tossed the shells in a bucket and adds water as needed. Well, I do basically the same, but I use pecan shells. I like the warmer tone that the pecans provide. I also add my unused morning coffee and when there's enough, I boil it down and add 8 teabags and let it cool. Then I strain it into a jug and pour in some ammonia or antibacterial Windex. I also strain after each use. I just love the color it makes. Our guild (all 3 of us) made woven hearth baskets for our luncheon and used this stain and they came out just super. We also used the stain on the wood cut outs, which we use as hang tags when we give away our baskets. Hope this works for you too. Donna Hall Who lives in San Antonio where they find their winter coats when it gets down to 60 degrees %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 3 I. 96 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 08:57:03 EST From: Wickrwoman@aol.com To: davidc@iei.net, brenfm@tampabay.rr.com Bren, Have you checked with all the suppliers to see if they carry that Japanese book? Seems to me I have run across it through either The Caning Shop, Frank's Cane & Rush, Royalwood, Country Seat, Gratiot Lake or H.H. Perkins catalogs. You do have catalogs from all the major suppliers, don't you? That would be your best source for finding the book, I just know I've seen it somewhere recently. The Wicker Woman/Cathryn Peters/Zumbro Falls, Minnesota Wicker restoration specialist, basketmaker, teacher, author. http://www.wickerwoman.com/ http://wickerwoman.listbot.com/ Free Newsletter Wickrwoman@aol.com %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Basket from Connie Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 08:20:24 -0600 From: jan1dave To: davidc@iei.net Hi All, Just wanted to acknowledge that I received a terrific wall basket, entitled "A Flower Garden of Natural Reeds" from Connie Yousey. On these snowy Indiana days, it sure did brighten mine and remind me that spring will be here soon. (I hope). Also, perched on the baskets rim was the cutest "Beaded Basket Baby" with a little straw hat. Again, thank you Connie, I really love them. Thank you Dolores for your hard work and hope your mom feels better soon. Jan in NW Indiana where it's snowing again today. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 3 I. 96 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:04:35 -0500 From: Gorbics To: David Collins References: 1 Debbie Czerwionka dczerwionka@loy.org I am not an expert at shaping, however, I found that it did help me to have a "mold." Make a basket using a soup can as your mold and you will see how it helps you shape the sides better. Then as you make other things don't hesitate to find a "mold" around the house to put into your basket while the sides are growing. I make mostly antler baskets and use braces at the beginning to hold the sides out to the position I want. Good luck. Nan Gorbics nangorbics@oceana.net Homepage: http://www.homepage.oceana.net/~gorbics/ With links to the antler basket pictures %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: swap basket Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 08:53:38 PST From: "shirley albright" To: davidc@iei.net First, a huge Thank You to Kathey Ervin for TWO baskets. One is a small buttocks baskets, very tightly woven with what looks like fine vine rattan. The other basket is a necklace made with cedar bark (which I love) and twined with northwest sweetgrass. The necklace is also beaded and is around my neck as I write. Thank you so much, Kathey. Second, there is someone clear over on the other side of the country who has been wondering where her swap basket is. It's long on its way and I hope it's there by now. As usual, it was sent at the last minute. Inside are some treats from this area, and a little something for when that reed just WON'T behave. Shirley in cold, windy, rainy Monterey, where the ATT Pro-Am Golf Tournament got rained out yesterday (again! %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: glue Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:00:24 EST From: GrayFelix@cs.com To: davidc@iei.net At a local basket shop, I asked how to keep the reed in the trivets and the answer is glue. I was buying a rowboat pattern and kit. The base has holes and I was told to glue the reed in the holes for less hassle. It certainly worked and when I am looking for a new thing (for me) to do, I will finally work on the trivets. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: thank you/Kool-Aid Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:03:23 EST From: GrayFelix@cs.com To: davidc@iei.net I want to thank all those for responding to my question on Kool-Aid. It will be an adventure as anything with basket making is for me. I'm happy to be with WW. I learn so much and can see different personalities and we all love baskets! Thanks again %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Re: tax question Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 14:35:24 -0500 From: "Mary Hooper" To: "David Collins" If your state requires an inventory for tax purposes do you count material or just finished baskets as part of the inventory??? I especially would like to hear from basketmakers with business licenses in North Carolina on this. Private e-mail is ok. Thanks, Mary mjhooper@mitchell.main.nc.us %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: drawknives and exhibits Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 14:58:46 -0500 From: "Mary Hooper" To: "David Collins" Beth: I have a John McGuire drawknife and the one piece of advice I can give you is: don't drop it on a concrete floor, because if it lands wrong it will break. I broke mine on the narrow place where the knife is joined to the handle and had it welded together. Dropped it again on the vinyl floor and broke it again. A welded place is never as strong as the original metal. "Butterfingers" is my middle name. I too would be interested in hearing how people care for the blade and how they keep it sharp. Mine doesn't seem to be as sharp now as when I bought it. A question: I have a display of 9 baskets in our local library. Would it be too crass to ask if I could change these nine for others and let the display run a second month if they have nothing in mind to go in the space? Mary Hooper mjhooper@mitchell.main.nc.us %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: swap basket Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:44:31 EST From: Maribasket@aol.com To: davidc@iei.net Just wanted someone in Ma. to know that your basket will be in the mail this weekend. I have been behind because of this airport show. I hope your wait will be worth it. I'll send some extra goodies for your wait. Marianne in windy SC today. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 3 I. 96 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 16:32:44 -0700 From: "Rae Hunter" To: "David Collins" Been there...Done that... I just tell the "creative" student that if they want to make a different basket that is their choice. However. "this" is the one I am teaching today. I do suggest that I cannot teach 12 -15 people all a different basket. If they insist and their basket takes more material I will let them know the extra cost. (Some decide they want a larger basket and I explain that in the time set they probably will not finish it) There is no refund at this point and I will help if I can without taking too much time away from the original course intent. The choice is theirs and so is the outcome. I try not to get too upset about it in case they do come out with a satisfactory basket. I don't know why people sign up for one kind of basket and then come with their own idea of what to make. All I can think of is that they are willing to pay for the time away to do what they want. I don't mind if the shape changes along the way within the same technique I am teaching. That is either creativity or mistakes. " Mistakes are the Mother of Creativity". Having said that, if I am sure this will interrupt the class too much I firmly state that this is the course today and I would be happy teach their basket suggestion at another course. I can't teach each person a different basket in one session. If possible I try to explain how this basket technique and experience will help them make a basket of their choice. If they look like they are going to be difficult I do not refund nor do my class administrators but we do offer the option of leaving and registering another course of their choice if their is room. Love to hear what others do, every situation is different and it is good to go to classes equipped for any surprise. Rae http://www.teluspanet.net/public/rachael %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 18:08:19 -0600 From: "Marlys Sowers" To: Does anyone know if John McGuire has a web site or his e-mail address? Thanks Marlys from Iowa %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Birch bark Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 19:07:21 -0600 From: "Ron and Bobbie" To: "David Collins" I am trying to locate a source for birch bark. If anyone can help, please email! Thanks- Bobbie %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% If for any you would ever like to cancel your subscription, simply send me a message with "unsubscribe" as your subject.