"Weavers Words" Vol. 3 Iss. 52 Date Sent: September 30, 1999 Web Page: http://www.iei.net/~davidc/ Subscribers: 1191 David Collins 408 North Devon Avenue Indianapolis, IN 46219 317-899-5747 davidc@iei.net %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Do You Like Weavers Words? Click Below To "Recommend-It" To A Friend! http://recommend-it.com/l.z.e?s=210339 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% The Basket Bookstore Stop by "Weavers Words Basketry Bookstore" for a great selection of basketry literature & save up to 40%. Over 40 titles to choose from. The address is: http://www.iei.net/~davidc/book.html %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Attention New Subscribers You can search Weaver's Words web page and back issues by going to Weaver's Words web page (http://www.iei.net/~davidc/) and entering your search criteria into the PinPoint search box. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Attention AOL Subscribers For some reason some AOL subscribers haven't been receiving Weaver's Words through email. If you are one of these subscribers, or know one of someone who has not been receiving Weaver's Words, you can get all of the issues on the Weaver's Words web page. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Hmmm.... Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:45:37 -1000 From: Joanne Howard To: "Collins, David" Hi all, What an interesting WW just came in my e-mail. Lois, you know I don't know who you are talking about since it has been awhile that I have taken a class. I really wish that people taking classes of any kind, could show a little courtesy and consideration to their teacher. I know that if asked to teach a neighbor, I also called on my instructor for guidance and also to be sure it doesn't offend or upset. I can see why some people would think they could learn and reteach but I think it is just a matter of plain manners. How rude for someone to pick your brain and pass it on for money right away!!! I can't imagine learning a project from my painting teacher and running home cutting the project and teaching it for money and selling it for my own idea. I just think it's a little unethical. But what do I know...I just think the right the to do is ask first. It's just a common courtesy. Ok, I am off my soapbox......And people please don't boo hiss me...it's just an opinion....thanks...... I received my new Judy Richmond Pattern from KMC Folkart (thanks Kathi) yesterday and it is a beauty. I can't wait to do it. Thanks Lois, for drawing my attention to Kathi's web site. I just love Judy's baskets. The wood base patterns are terrific to weave, with excellent instructions. Aloha from Sunny breezy Honolulu, Joanne %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Ads and Copyrights Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:08:02 -0500 (CDT) From: mdcamcd@ix.netcom.com To: davidc@iei.net Hello to all my fellow weavers and a special smooch for David who keeps us together! My opinion regarding the advertisements etc. appearing on WW: Yes, some use WW for advertising their products etc, but I think the use has been reasonable; I haven't seen what I would consider an 'abuse' of this site in that regard. To me, letting someone who is looking for a specific pattern or material know that you can furnish it is not abusing the system. Neither is relaying information about classes, craft fairs, etc. If it weren't for WW, I would not have found the guild in my area, or known where to find items I've been looking for! If a specific supplier was to abuse this site, I think David (and several others here!) are quite capable of asking them to back down on their advertising, but as I said, I don't consider that it has happened. Besides, if they overdo it, it would only hurt their business: If they aggravate the weavers here, there are so many of us, we could put a hurting on a business. That said, I'll climb down off my soapbox.... I also have a question in the never-ending commentary on copyrights. Am I violating a copyright if I borrow a pattern book from the library and scan the patterns into my computer for my OWN use? And, if it is legal, is it ethical? Cass McDonald, in chilly and damp Maryland, where I'm off this weekend to my second guild meeting with some of the nicest folks I've met in a long time! %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Great Basket Swap!!! Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:26:36 -0400 From: Glenn Geosits To: davidc@iei.net Dear Weavers, I received a beautiful "Undulating Seagrass" basket and an adorable woven wrist cuff bracelet from Barb Foster of Green Bay, WI. Both of these are from classes she took part in this past year. She did a beautiful job on both. Also a special thanks to Bert for coordinating such an organized swap. Your efforts are greatly appreciated! A package will be going out tomorrow to Massachusetts! Debi Geosits in Northeastern PA %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: complaining Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:51:57 -0400 From: Fran Steidel To: davidc@iei.net Kristen, Living her in Eastern NC and seeing what destruction the flooding from Floyd has done to so many, (including many of our basket friends) I say to you - be thankful and stop your griping. Life is too short and too precious. Go weave a basket and get over it. Fran %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Personal Views Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:16:08 -0500 From: "Kim" To: It is absolutely pathetic that Kristin had to be attacked for her (requested) views on free advertising. Kim %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Bits and Pieces Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:26:48 -0400 From: John Dorris To: "Weavers Words" Mary, I'm jealous. It took me years to get a best of show and you did it the first time out. That's wonderful. It shows you must be dooing something right. It's always great to see a fellow weaver get well-deserved attention. Keep up the good work and look for great things ahead. Lois, amazingly once again we agree. Multiple baskets lined up in a row just don't do it for me. When I go to a show I look for something that is different and unique. I am more likely to spend my money on something that is not the same old, same old. The conference at Arrowmont starts a week from today. I am ready. Of course I could be more than ready if I hadn't bought a new computer game the other day. Somehow Pandora's Box is more enticing than nailing rims on Nantucket's. And even worse my husband is out of time and I don't have to share the computer. Bad news. I can't believe that it is raining again in N.C. Those folks have certainly had more than their share. Once again we have been lucky. Supposedly we are getting rain too. But not at my house. Better run if those rims are to be finished. Bert and Cathryn: see you soon. Billie in sunny Va. Beach %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: NATURALS LIST Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:44:12 -0500 From: Pat Quinnette To: "'davidc@iei.net'" Please put me on the list to receive the newsletter on naturals. I really enjoy the weaver's words there is a lot of useful information in it. I would like some information on how you sign up for the basket exchange. Thanks Pat Quinnette. I do baskets under the name crafty ewe (I have two partners and we do and sell our baskets at various shows. This is our busy season. We had a show last week and it was quite windy, one of my shelves became airborne and hit me in the side of my head. The wind also caused damage to two other baskets and my partner got one of her big baskets (bag lady basket) damaged, needless to say I think we would have been better off to have stayed at home. Oh well, I guess you take the bad with the good. Thanks for all of your hard work on the weaver's words. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: re:weavers words Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:55:55 EDT From: CLAYART2@aol.com To: davidc@iei.net Just a quick note to say a huge thank you to Kathy Unsworth in Montana for work and thoughtfulness put into my swap basket. It's a miniature hot cross bun basket with the outside lattice-work a beautiful Antique rose color...I just love it and is the perfect size for me to keep my current starts for pine needle work in.....thank you again Kathy..... Now Susan in TN., don't give up hope ....your basket is finally finished and will be in the mail by the end of the week....I'm afraid I'm notorious for being late, why I'm so late I'm going to be late for my own demise.. Mary Berris....woo hoo! Congratulations on your first craft fair...not everyone does so well and gets the top prize too on the first try! You go girl.... That's it from Colorado....yup ...it snowed here too, but didn't stay...just the freezing temperatures.....Nora %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: reading WW Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:22:52 EDT From: Charweav@aol.com To: davidc@iei.net David Just a note-I don't know what you did different with issue 148 but I could read it fine online. The sentences didn't run all off the screen. As I read the back issues 148 was fine but 149 and 150 went right back to running off the page. Just thought I'd let you know is case you had changed something that issue. Also my prayers are with all effected by Floyd. I do hope everyone escaped any major damage. Take Care Char %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Basketmakers Gathering 2000 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:47:45 -0400 From: Nancy Skinner To: davidc@iei.net Thank you Kathie in Midland! Thank you Bert for another fantastic basket swap. Other items of interest - Brochures for the "Basketmakers Gathering 2000" sponsored by the Greater Atlanta Basket Guild, being held in Kennesaw, GA February 4,5 & 6, 2000 are mailed. If you want further information contact one of the following: Kathy Cosgrove Kmc6603@aol.com, Sandy Quackenbush sandyq@juno.com, or Nancy Skinner basketweaver@mindspring.com. It is going to be another fun event! %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Swap basket Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:30:08 EDT From: Weavekat@aol.com To: davidc@iei.net Just to let someone know that a basket box will be headed toward the Peach State. I believe there's also a town in Minnesota(?) with the same name as yours. Be watching. It'll be in the mail tomorrow. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: WW Swap Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:54:04 EDT From: Karitamus@aol.com To: davidc@iei.net Heather in MI - So glad you like the basket! You're right - these swaps are FUN. I'm sure your swap buddy will love the basket you've sent. It takes another weaver to really appreciate the amount of love involved in a basket. Enjoy! Karita %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: controversy Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:21:47 EST From: "Patricia Steinmetz" To: davidc@iei.net The following message is for Kristin in Midland, since she has DEMANDED that I NOT email her at home. Dear Kristin, Please accept my most humble apologies. It was not my intention to upset you. I was merely replying to you previous post. I emailed you privately because my thoughts were directed towards you and not to anyone else. I also was trying to prevent another all out battle on Weavers Words. I am extremely sorry if you misunderstood my message and my motives. You ARE entitled to your opinion, but apparently I am not, even when shared privately. In my email to you, I gave you permission to forward my message on to WW if you so desired. I thought I was doing you a favor by allowing you to make that decision. Again, I offer my apologies for trying to save you from embarrassment. Oh, and just one other little item. I do not appreciate the way you signed your last post. I find your choice of words vulgar, offensive and totally inappropriate. There are much better ways to convey your feelings without resorting to "gutter language". And now, as punishment for being bad, I will go stand in a corner. Patti Steinmetz, on the south side of Indy, where it is finally raining. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: thoughts Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:42:43 EST From: "Patricia Steinmetz" To: davidc@iei.net Robbie Sykes, - Thank God you are all right. I have been so worried about you. I am glad to hear that you survived the storm. Be on the look out for the mailman. He has something for you. It should get there in a few days. Kathie from Michigan, - Applause, Applause, Very well said. I could not agree more with your message to Kristin. I, too, have been here from the beginning and would hate to see David having to set down rules at this point. All it takes is a little common sense and basic courtesy. At any rate, I look forward to every issue of Weavers Words. I find it informative, and yes, even entertaining. David, this one is for you. - I know how you love these little cat fights. I an so glad that we can be a source of amusement for you. Keep smiling :-) Patti Steinmetz %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 3 I. 51 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:46:09 -0500 From: tblack@iquest.net To: David Collins I am finally getting caught upon WW - took me month seems like... Anyway I wanted to let people know that I attended Jayne Stanley's retreat in Colorado this month. It was a beautiful week in the mountains and I had a great time. I had the opportunity to complete 3 projects - a large porcupine pine needle coiling, and 2 gourdskets - one small, one large. The large gourdsket was an asymmetrical design with a piece of driftwood woven into it as a handle, then bridged with coiled seagrass and pine needles. My daughter calls it her "teapot"! We had a great time - although my favorite portion was probably the "nature hike" we took. Jayne took us all into Rocky Mountain National park (walking distance from where we were staying) and then talked and showed us about gathering plants and fibers and anything in general to incorporate into our basket projects. I highly recommend this outing for anyone! We had people in the class who had coiled before to people who had never made a basket or weren't even crafty! Everyone seemed to have a great time. My husband and I stayed some extra days and got to check out the wildlife in the park a bit more. I also received my swap basket Saturday from Mary Berrus. Mary made me a beautiful pie basket with a wooden base that she had painted with a cluster of grapes. This is a sturdy basket that I plan to show off at the next church pitch-in! Thanks again Mary! I did manage to finally get me swap basket out Monday, so hopefully my partner is getting it today or tomorrow. Look out Maryland - the USPS man should be coming your way. Lois - I am part of several guilds but am also part of a small weaving group (7) that meets monthly to do advanced projects. The point as others have mentioned is that no one teaches anything, but if someone gets stuck on something, surely someone within the group will be able to help them along. we've all been weaving for several years and have made plenty of baskets. I don't think you have to be worried about being "exclusive". Invite who you want. I have learned that no matter what you do, you can't please everyone. Someone will gripe or complain no matter how many hoops you jump through or precautions you take to make everyone feel included. It's just some people's nature to whine and complain. Just because you have a party do you feel guilty not inviting everyone you know? We've not had any problems and can comfortably discuss projects done at the small group with people at guild. Maybe I've just been lucky... As far as advertising goes... I had something else written here, and thankfully I queued the message before it went out. Someone's message noted that things have been peaceful lately, and I agree. Perhaps the best thing is to let it lie and everyone move on without comment. Obviously this has already hurt some feelings, so let's skip it this time. Enjoying the rain today since we have been sooooo dry here, Carolyn Black, in Greenwood, IN %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Indian baskets/white man basket Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:10:21 -0400 From: Roman Monastyrski To: David Collins The local nature center is taking my baskets, but does not want to take any that are "Native American" since I am not. Here are four they did not take: 1. Coiled needles on top of gourd. (I didn't want to argue with them - OK everyone laugh). I felt to entice them, I will do some wood burning, but this may not change the concept that this is an "Indian" vessel. I don't really think it's an exclusive to Indian culture. I could imagine Egyptians and Africans in ancient times doing the same thing. 2. Deer antler basket. I'm sure Indian's used horn and antler as handles and tools, but to what degree does that make them strictly an Indian basket? I weave in the Judy Wilson style with many rows of subtly changing color. I expect no hard working Indian would spend that kind of time. 3. They are holding out for a real Indian to do black ash baskets with sweet grass. I can understand this one, except it seems I was taught somewhere that it wasn't until the immigration of white European settlers with tool forging technology that the Indian was able to prepare splint for such baskets with precision. 4. They questioned taking willow. I can see that Indians must have used willow in baskets, but that most certainly has to be recognized as European.? I will start by digging in my Wharton book, but would appreciate others reference. If they get desperate and have to take a "white man's " black ash basket, what do we call it. Native American style? Kristin in chilly Midland where we will crank up the wood-burner. I love this weather! %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Black Walnuts Everywhere...... Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:58:05 EDT From: ARoden3724@aol.com To: davidc@iei.net I was referred to you and from the Baskets and more Web site. Could you let me know anyone in Minnesota who could use Garbage Can upon Garbage Can of Black Walnuts. Even if they can't this year, the 2 trees I have keep producing. amr %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: (no subject) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:43:18 -0700 From: Ed Svec <1shadow1@netnitco.net> Organization: Shadowland Fishing Charters To: David Collins References: 1 I am a new subscriber and I like the idea of listing classes here. I am always on the lookout for classes to take and never hear about them. Thanks to everyone for all their wonderful ideas. Can't wait for the next basket swap, after reading about everyone's baskets. Sharon The Mouse Lady %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Smoked reed? Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:13:15 -0500 From: "Sarah S. Watts" To: Please help! Does anyone out there know of a source for 3/16" F/O smoked reed? I have just exhausted myself pouring over every basket supply catalog I have and then every single web site I have book marked. If it's out there, I just can't find it! I would really like to use it for a pretty twill pattern I just purchased. I seem to remember that someone asked this very same question a little while ago (or maybe 11/64"), and that there was a solution, but I can't remember what it was. It seems that most suppliers carry only a few sizes of smoked reed (each the same as all the others). Thanks in advance! Sarah Watts in breezy southern Alabama... %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 3 I. 51 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:16:01 EDT From: Frbasketsc@aol.com To: davidc@iei.net Hello People This is directed to Kathie of Michigan. You go girl! I agree and you put it so well. I am looking for a pattern. It is a bird's house with long pine needle for the roof can anyone help me. Thanks Your friend in weaving, Carolyn of The Great Lakes %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: hi Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:40:17 -0700 From: "Jan Putra" To: Hi there! I have enjoyed reading the different things in Weaver's Word. But being fairly new to the world of serious basket weavers, I am a bit intimidated by some of the things I have been reading in the last couple of issues. I had no idea having all my baskets in a craft fair stained the same color was a major no-no. Oh well back to the Rit chart. And talk about clueless! If I learned how to make a new basket in a class and taught it to someone else or even made another basket and sold it, do the basket copying police come knocking at my door? Do people really get Bambi antlers to make baskets? Well no I am not the biggest goofus in the world. I really enjoy reading all the letters. When I started "serious" learning about making baskets, I really had to work to find information. Of course the Internet is a wonderful source for anything. When my family asks me a question about anything I tell them I will look it up on the Internet. Making baskets with antlers does not appeal to me at all but it is interesting. Some advertising is well worth pursuing and seeing what is available out there. What should I do (or not do) with the information I learn in a basket class? Basket weaving is a wonderful hobby but certainly does not enjoy the popularity, at least in this area, of say sewing or quilting. I guess I would like to see some more encouragement for newer basket makers. Some of you have done hundreds of craft and art shows. I am just making some now for my first craft fair. After reading some of the letters it makes me wonder if my work is good enough. At this point it doesn't matter because I really enjoy it and will continue to do it for a long time. I know I am making better baskets than I did a year ago. I also need to keep learning new things and continue to be challenged. Enough with the bickering!!!! Take what you can from a letter or idea and leave the rest. Just had to get this off my chest. (No offense meant to anyone in that first paragraph!!! Just having some fun. Got to keep a sense of humor!) Thanks much, happy weaving! Jan in Wisconsin %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Swap #6 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:28:33 -0500 From: Dianne Gleixner To: "'David Collins'" Hi all! I had two wonderful surprises waiting for me when I got home yesterday. One was a jar of homemade applesauce from a fellow WW'er, Lisa Carstens. Thank you Lisa, we will enjoy it. The second was my swap basket. It's from Diana French in NJ, and is one of the most beautiful baskets I've seen! I'll try to do it justice - it's sort of a square market basket, with a short D handle, and a braided rim. The reed used for the rim was space dyed in shades of deep purple, sort of olive green, and yellow. It really is much prettier that it sounds. Purple is the dominant color, and it just happens to be my favorite color! The basket is stained, and the colors all just blend together real nice. The basket will find a special place, maybe I'll bring it to work so I can look at it all the time. One thing I would like to comment on is the recent disagreement between people regarding "advertising" on WW. I think that everyone has a right to express their opinion, and everyone else has a right to either agree or disagree. I just have a problem with the way some people go about it. I, personally, would like to read about things people are selling, conventions and shows, and anything else basket related. I don't always have time to surf the web, or check out other web sites for more info, so if I can read about it all in one place, I can determine what things I may want to checkout further. Another thing is that not all of us have access to the web, but DO have e-mail. That's my 2 cents worth. Please people, be nice! You don't have to agree with everyone, but remember that they are entitled to their own opinion. If you would like to express your opinion, please do so without name calling, and the such. My Mom always told me that if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. And private e-mails to rant at someone are way out of line. So, please say what you feel, but do so in a nice, civilized way. That's it! Well, I haven't had time to keep up with the WW's, so that's all I have for now. Dianne Gleixner Sunny but quite breezy SE Wisconsin %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Weaving Stuff Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:25:55 -0400 From: "Meier, Anette H" To: "'David Collins'" Hi There, Well, there will be a happy (I hope?) weaver in Utah, that will receive her swap basket by Saturday (I hope, again!). It was mailed yesterday, so be on the look out for your regular USPS mail person... Bert: You are correct in the fact that bleach is alkaline... I knew it was too many years from chem class to offer my 2 cents by memory... one too many Jell-O shots, I guess ;^) Anyway, thanks for coordinating the swap! Well, my nesting set of Nantucket's is FINALLY complete. It isn't really mine, though. Gloria, a fellow weaver, is the recipient of this set, which is 3" to 8". The set was woven cane on cane, with cherry rims, handles, ears, and base. I wood burned a navigational star in each base, and the staves were put so close together that I had to trim down the sides of the ears that I had bought. The set doesn't sit with all the rims level, they step down. What a time fitting... it took 14 hours to get the adjustment just right. The baskets had to be woven with an extra inch to 2 inches above some of the molds, because even though the diameters were all correct, the body heights were not (even though I bought all the molds at the same time and were supposed to be a nesting set). Oh well, they are done, and it will be real hard for me to send them out, but it's all good. I'll put up some pictures after Gloria receives them. I am now half way through putting the staves (cherry) on a Nantucket baby cradle. I've been wanting to make this for a LONG TIME... It will have cherry rims, handles, base and staves, with cane weavers. If I thought ahead of time, I would have liked to use ash weavers, but definitely next time. Well, off to racquetball tonight... my rest from weaving, hah! Keep on Weaving! Anette %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% If for any you would ever like to cancel your subscription, simply send me a message with "unsubscribe" as your subject.