"Weavers Words" Vol. 2 Iss. 65 Date Sent: December 09, 1998 Subscribers: 874 David Collins 408 North Devon Avenue Indianapolis, IN 46219 317-899-5747 davidc@iei.net %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Do You Like Weavers Words? Click Below To "Recommend-It" To A Friend! http://recommend-it.com/l.z.e?s=210339 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% "Web Cards" - Create Full-Color Postcards For Your Web Page. http://www.printing.com/affiliate.asp?site=davidc For every free sample of "Web Cards" that you request from the above link, I will receive a $1 commission. It cost you NOTHING. Once you receive your free sample, you can purchase personalized "Web Cards" for your web page and/or business if you like. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Hi Everyone, First, I would like to inform all of you who have web pages of a great new search engine. It is called NewHoo and the address is http://directory.mozilla.org/. They have recently merged with Netscape and Mozilla. If any of you have tried to submit your site to Yahoo, you probably have found out it can take up to a year to get added. NewHoo has a much better submission program. They ask for volunteers to maintain certain categories. I am the editor for the following categories: Recreation: Crafts: Baskets Sports: Auto Racing: Nascar: Drivers Sports: Football: Professional So if you have a basket site, go to: http://directory.mozilla.org/ Your site will be added to NewHoo within just a few days. I would like to thank everyone who has purchased books through Weaver's Words bookstore. I just came across a really cool affiliate program where you can purchase basket pictures/prints through Weaver's Words site. And I will get a 15% commission from Bare Walls. The address to check out the pictures is: http://www.iei.net/~davidc/prints.html I have added some new pictures to Weavers Words picture page. Check 'em out. To see all the great pictures go to: http://www.iei.net/~davidc/pictures.html Keep all those basket pictures and recipes coming. Take Care, David davidc@iei.net %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 2 I. 64 Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 19:07:18 -0800 From: Sharle Osborne To: David Collins Here is a book available through Amazon: A Guide to Twining and related structures with intertwining wefts by David W Fraser. It is excellent and detailed pictures of techniques, n patterns. It is also about $60 through amozon, but I will put a recommendation for it on the WW list. Thankyou for getting those pictures I took of Anna's baskets up quickly. I used a Sony Mavica camera for the first time. It records right on to a floppy disk. Worked great. Sharle Osborne sharleo@orca.esd114.wednet.edu http://www.olympus.net/personal/skoehler/bskt.htm %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Home Craft Shows Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 22:25:34 -0600 From: Gary Dunham To: "davidc@iei.net" Hi! There was an ad in the classifieds for crafters to sell their wares through home craft shows. How it works is that you give the woman who organizes this your craft. Of course, for me, it would be baskets. So you give her your baskets and tell her how much you would like to make on them. SHe then adds her costs and if she thinks it will sell at that price, then she will put it in the home craft show. If she thinks the price is too high, she will come back and ask if you could do better. You can either sell outright or take orders. These parties are along the lines of Tupperware. My only concern is that the baskets could get damaged going from house to house. I'm also pretty sure that being baskets they would be used to transport the other crafts from home to home. If anyone has sold baskets this way, could you tell me some pros and cons. And even if you haven't sold them this way, what is your opinion? Thanks, Cindy In Northern Illinois where its starting to get cold %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 2 I. 64 Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 21:05:32 -0800 From: Joyce Fisher To: David Collins References: 1 Hello Everyone--I haven't written for some time because, like all of you, I've been very busy. Next Saturday we (my business partner and I) have our last show of the year. It has been fun but I am ready for a break. Now, listen to this--I am going to start right after the first of the year making items for next year's shows. Ha, what a joke. I tell mysalf that every year but then get lazy after the pressure is over. Besides, I have some shows during the earlier part of the year so will hopefully be selling some of the work then. Our guild had our holiday pot luck and party this week. Not only are we wonderful basketmakers, but excellent cooks, too and my scales aren't going in the direction I'd like. One of our groups decided to have Christmas in July so we could, perhaps, enjoy it more and not pack in so much food all at once. Of course, we could just not eat so much, but wouldn't that be an insult to those who cooked all the goodies? We are having our first taste of very cold weather here in Reno and I am ready to head for points south. Before I do so I must clean both my house and my studio as friends will be staying here during the two months we will be gone. Joyce %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Date: 6 Dec 98 23:30:32 PST From: Peggy Lawson To: David Collins Organization: Atkinson's Country House To: David Collins References: 1 Hi David and All, Just a note from my mom and me, wishing you all a wonderful holiday season. We have been so busy that lately I get on the net, take off orders, breeze thro WW and get back to work. But decided to write today. To Pam: she's been having sore hands. I recommend that she use Wool wax cream on her hands BEFORE she starts to weave. It's water repellent and really helps. Does not feel like hand cream/lotion at all. Works great. We carry it here at the shop. 2oz is $1.70 and the 9 oz jar is $4.60. To Joe and wife: we also carry several patterns for antler baskets, that have good directions for drilling. Merry Christmas Everyone. Nicole Church for Atkinson's Country House %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 2 I. 64 Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:38:22 -0500 From: tblack@iquest.net To: David Collins Pam F. - You're question about sore hands and nails is a good one. I still get sore fingers from time to time, but if I use the spongy self stick tape on my fingers, it seems to help a lot. I don't know how else to describe it. It reminds me of athletic tape, but is a stretchy fabric sort of tape. Comes in very bright colors. Anyway, this certainly helps my sore fingers. That and lots of lotion (Curel works best for me), and not sleeping with my hands under the pillow. Sounds strange, but I read about it when I was having trouble with carpal tunnel aches. Resting your hands either on top of the pillow or at least beside relieves the tension better and lets your hands relax and blood flow return to normal. Being compressed under the pillow and your head, usually causes them to swell. As far as good nails go, I noticed a huge difference when I started taking my prenatal vitamins. My nails are strong and don't chip often. Helps me a lot when packing baskets. I also stay away from nail polish and such. I find that it may make your nail seem strong at the time, but once you remove it, the nail is very soft. I am not suggesting that everyone start taking prenatal vitamins, but a calcium supplement and a B supplement would probably do wonders for strengthening the nails. Carolyn Black, in Greenwood IN %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: rims Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 10:08:19 -0500 From: Emberg Organization: BACHEMBERG BASKETS To: davidc@iei.net Roberta Yes, 'they' finish their own basket rims. I Keep Nails in my tool box for them to use, if necessary, in lieu of an awl. I am leery of handing a 7 year old an awl, unless we are working one-on-one. Ruth %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: WWv.21.62 Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 08:04:59 -0800 From: boitnotl@sensible-net.com (Larry T. Boitnott) Organization: Larry T. Boitnott To: davidc@iei.net Hi Everyone, I'm not sure who ask about a pattern for rug beaters. I found 2 patterns in the 3rd edition of Dorothy Wright's The Complete Book of Baskets and Basketry. The recipe for a full size carpet beater is on pg. 100 and a miniature recipe follows on pg.101. Christine Harrold - Can't wait for Rae's book on melon baskets to be published! Is willow the material that you used? How soon will the book be available? When I rap down the wall or waling of a willow basket, I use a white oak stick that was peeled. I place the stick on the area that needs rapping and hit the stick with my rapping iron. When I am wrapping down a border, I place a towel over the area first, then rap with my rapping iron - using the wide flat side. The stick that I use was called a "knocker". I got the stick in a white oak basket class with Floyd and Melissa. A very handy willow tool, for me. Speaking of willow, the weekend before Thanksgiving, Larry and I drove to Edmonton, KY to visit with Ron & Bobbie Harrison of Willow Dreams Farm. Never met the people before except through Weavers Words and e-mail. Had such a great time. Learned so much from Ron and Bobbie and their sense of humor is wonderful. Their willow operation is top notch in my book. The plants are healthy and the field is clean. Countryside is beautiful and peaceful. If they keep expanding their crop, they should be able to keep us all in willow!!! The different colors of barks were beautiful to see!!! Made me want to come home and harvest my little patch. But I will wait for some colder weather. We headed back to Michigan relaxed, more knowledgeable about willow and with 2 new friends! Can't think of much else. I have one more basket showing and I am finished for the year. With most of my shopping done, I feel less pressured than in years past. Peace filled days from Sue Ann in MI where the weather turned from rainy to cold during the night. Temp is only about 36 or 38 degrees. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 2 I. 64 Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 14:26:59 EST From: froggestow@juno.com (Roberta R Comstock) To: davidc@iei.net References: 1 "Weavers Words" V. 2 I. 64 Cindy D. - Most of the antler baskets are attached to the antler(s) by way of holes being drilled into the antler(s). Ribs are inserted into the holes and glued in place. Barbara (Zoobar) - I don't know the 'official' definition of a miniature basket but I believe that in addition to being small (less than 3 inches in any direction - or maybe even smaller) the materials from which it is made must be scaled down as well. A little basket made with normal sized materials could be quite small and still not be considered miniature. There was an extensive discussion of the laundry softener question last year. I, for one, won't even have the stuff in my house because it is bad for my asthma and respiratory allergies. Even if I Could use it, I Wouldn't, because I hate the slimy feel and don't like the odor. I certainly wouldn't want my baskets to smell like fabric softener. Some folks swear by it, though. There are a number of other things (herbs, for example, or grated lemon peel) that could be added to the soaking water if I wanted a mildly scented basket. Joe Conroy - It's a good idea to wear a dust mask when drilling bone or antler. It's also a good idea to wrap a scrap of leather around the antler and clamp it or hold it in a vise. Ideally, clam it to something that will sit flat under the drill press (if you have a drill press). That way, you won't mar the surface by having the drill slip or skid. Jayna Glemby - Thanks for the book reviews! The McGuire book is on my want list, but you just moved it up a couple of notches. Kathey Ervin - Welcome to Weavers Words. There sure are getting to be a lot of basket makers I'd like to meet in the Pacific Northwest! Maybe I'll get out there when (if) my daughter moves down from Alaska. Jill Choate - I envy your snow. I'm delighted to hear you are coming to Kansas City next summer. I look forward to meeting you and taking one of your classes. Bert Comstock Independence, MO %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:29:19 -0800 From: "Ames, Kay H" To: "'Weaver's Words'" Barbara in Louisville - I have not heard of anything "bad" about using fabric softener in your reed soaking water. I have one friend who swears by it. She says not only does it soften the reed better, but it also softens her hands. However I think I remember correctly that Flo Hoppe was not in favor of it, though I can't remember why - nothing catastrophic as I recall, perhaps because it makes reed more slippery, less of a frictional hold of one piece against the other. Cindy Dunham - you will probably get lots of responses to your question, so I will be brief. The usual method for attaching an antler to a basket is to drill it with holes and insert the main framework ribs for a ribbed basket (hen or egg, etc.) Alternatively, sometimes the antler is lashed onto the basket, either during construction (i.e. the weavers themselves lash round a portion of the antler) or afterwards. I would like to echo Leslie Johnson's remarks about ordering from Pam and Dan Feix. Their products are very well made and the service is prompt and very friendly. I had them make a custom base for me, for a basket requested by my mother in law. It is just perfect (although the project is only half done). Joe Conroy - I am pretty brand new to antler baskets, but tips for drilling would include - don't get too close to the tips or they can break off. I was chicken to drill into my antlers so I practiced on driftwood to get the angle right for the rib shapes I wanted. Also you need a special drill bit, I forget the technical term, that has a sharp pointy bit at the end so it doesn't wander. It would probably be a good idea to wear a dust mask too. Pam Feix - My fingers are always beaten up from weaving, and the cracks are frequently black if I have been touching cedar bark, since the tannin reacts with the high iron content of our well water. I just consider it a badge of my chosen obsession. But luckily I rarely "dress up" enough for it to matter, and my fingers rarely hurt as you describe. Someone out there will doubtless write in with the name of their favorite miracle cream. I know some folks swear by "wool wax", and some swear by "hoof cream" from the farmers supply store. Carol - What is a worry basket? And how do cork coasters figure in? You dropped the bait and I am biting. I must proudly announce to you all that our guild had a wonderful show opening last week, "The Uncommon Basket" at ArtsWest gallery in Seattle. It was well attended, and featured the most exquisite work by fourteen of our members, including some you may know who travel and teach at conventions across the country, or who subscribe to WW and have recently sent photos of their baskets. The list includes new subscriber Kathey Ervin, Sharle Osborne, Carol Williams, Willie Ziegler, Jan Hopkins, Polly Adams Sutton, Marilyn Moore, Judy Zugish, Marian Gee, Melinda West, Dorothy McGuinness, Deb Curtis, Jill Green and Jo Ann van Reeuwyk. There were a large number of stunning baskets made from cedar bark in a variety of shapes and sizes and styles and techniques, as well as finely coiled work in linen and pine needles, wild and free-form pieces from twigs and raffia and gourds and mitzuhiki and wire and bark, intricately textured multi layered baskets in reed and cane, and a variety of other gathered materials, including a box woven from grapefruit skins and a gossamer faerie bowl fashioned from the silvery "money" from the honesty plant. It was a feast for the eyes and soul. We are investigating developing a website for our guild, and I look forward to being able to share photos of events like these in the future. And finally, a belated thank you to the maker of my swap basket, Susan Hagberg. She says she has been weaving for 3 years and this is her first twill basket - My, she chose a difficult pattern to begin with, and it is beautifully done! It is a large square to round basket from a pattern by Patti Hawkins, featuring a poinsettia design as well as other twill variations. It instantly became my Christmas correspondence basket - big enough to hold everything and very festive on the shelf. Thank you Susan! From Kay Harradine in Mt. Vernon, Washington, where the pond is rising and snow flurries are promised for tomorrow. Happy weaving and productive holiday preparations to you all. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: New Friend and Message from Kay Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 19:04:55 +0000 From: maggies To: David Collins Hi David-- About a month ago, I saw a message from "Diana from Indiana" which stated that she was about to visit her daughter in Bridgewater, MA. Since I live in the next town, I e-mailed Diana, and after a few phone calls, she and her daughter came for a visit. Because of WWs, I met a new friend. Thanks so much, David, for all that you do. Maggie Silva %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: pattern Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 21:56:51 -0500 From: Preston A Raymer Organization: The Raymers To: "davidc@iei.net" Hi David and Everyone! Like everyone else I have been busy getting ready for the holidays. My two sisters are coming up to visit along with my mother and brother-in-law. It has been eight years since we were all together so I am very excited. I am trying to get the house clean after a month of total neglect while I did some marathon weaving. I haven't even started buying gifts yet! Anyway, some people were asking about Christmas tree ornaments. I have been making some market baskets for small gifts. They are a good size to put on a tree, I think. Here goes: 1/4" flat (three spokes @ 7", four spokes @ 6", one spoke @ 12") 11/64" flat oval #2 or #1 or 11/64" dyed 1/4" flat oval Waxed linen thread Lay the 7" spokes horizontally on the table. Weave the 12" spoke under, over, under at the center of the 7" spokes. Weave two 6" spokes on each side of the long spoke. Bend spokes up and weave three rows with 11/64" flat oval starting on a long side. (Hint- I only overlapped four spokes on the first row. On all other rows I overlapped two) Now I do different things. On some I wove one row of dyed 11/64" f.o. on some I did a twined arrow with #2 or two rows of three rod wale with #1. I was just using up my scraps. Now weave three more rows of natural 11/64". Tuck in all outside spokes and cut inside spokes except the ends of the 12" spoke. The ends of the 12" spoke will form the handle. Take one end of the spoke and tuck it into the weaving on the opposite side of the basket on the inside. Take the other end and tuck it into the weaving on the opposite side of the basket on the outside. Make sure the two pieces are snug together. I used 1/4" flat oval for the rims, #2 for the filler, and lashed with natural waxed linen. This was a nice way to use up some scraps. The finished baskets were 1 x 2 x 2 1/2(with handle). I hope somebody can make sense of this and use it. (I am not a pattern writer!) Have a great day! Christine R. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: (no subject) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 22:12:13 -0500 From: Preston A Raymer Organization: The Raymers To: "davidc@iei.net" This is not basket related but I thought some of our members would appreciate it. Semper Fi! 'was the night before Christmas, he lived all alone, In a one bedroom house made of stone. I had come down the chimney with presents to give, And to see just who in this house did live. As I looked all about a strange sight I did see, No tinsel, no presents, not even a tree. No stocking by the fire, just boots filled with sand. On the wall hung pictures of some far distant land. With medals and Badges and awards of all kind, A sobering thought came to my mind. For this house was different, unlike any I've seen, For this was the home of a U.S. Marine. I'd heard stories about them, I had to see more, So I walked down the hall and pushed open the door. And there he lay sleeping, silent, alone, Curled up on the floor in his one bedroom home. He seemed so gentle, his face so serene. Not how I pictured a U.S. Marine. Could this be the hero of whom I'd just read? Curled in a poncho, a floor for his bed? His head was clean shaven, his weathered face tan, I soon realized this was more than a man. I realized the families I'd visited that night, Owed their lives to these people ready to fight. In just a few hours all the children would play, And grownups would celebrate another Christmas Day. They all enjoyed freedom each month and all year, Because of Marines like this one lying here. I couldn't help but wonder how many lay alone, On a cold Christmas Eve, in a land far from home. Just the very thought brought a tear to my eye, I dropped to my knees and started to cry. He must have awoken for I heard a rough voice, Don't cry Santa, for this is my choice. I fight for freedom, I don't ask for more, My life is my God, my Country, my Corps. With that he rolled over, drifted off into sleep, I couldn't control it, I started to weep. I watched him for hours, so silent and still, Then I noticed he shivered from the cold nights chill. So I took off my jacket, the one made of red, And covered my hero, from his toes to his head. Then I put on his T-shirt of scarlet and gold, With Eagle, Globe, and Anchor, emblazoned so bold. Although it barley fit me, I swelled deep with pride, For this one private moment, I felt Marine deep inside. I didn't want to leave him so quiet in the night, This guardian of honor, willing to die in a fight. But half asleep he rolled over, in a voice clean and pure, Said "Carry on Santa, it's Christmas Day all is secure." One look at my watch and I knew he was right, Merry Christmas my friend, Semper Fi, and good night. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Re:Help! Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:34:06 -0500 From: jbenner@juno.com To: davidc@iei.net HI all, I'm hoping someone on here can help me with this. I am making the snowman from Just Patterns. The one with the RR stakes and 3/16 weavers. So far so good, I'm at the bottom of the weaving. Now am to twine 2 rows I think, and then comes the problem. All the pattern says is do a simple braided border. Hah! I've checked my books and the braided borders look all but simple. One book (Flo Hoppes) looks terribly complicated. The other Addicted to Baskets, isn't quite as bad but all show this on stakes as the top of the basket. Mine's at the bottom of the snowman, and with RR. I'm thinking as I look at it, that the braid is braided off the piece, then attached? Please someone help. I am making 2 of these as Christmas presents and am getting worried. Thanks for any help anyone can give!!! Judy Benner jbenner@juno.com %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: softener, antlers.Indy WW Conv. Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 09:04:52 -0500 From: roman@tm.net To: davidc@iei.net In regards to softeners in the water: There are ones who do, and ones who don't. I do, and have for years. My biggest "suggestion" is not to use tooooo much. A little dab will do ya. I also use Downey. Tried some other brands (and off-brands) that didn't do so well. In a previous discussion someone mentioned an unscented Downey if you object to the fragrance. Also don't leave the Downey water in your spray bottle and forget it. It can get pretty odious. As mentioned before, there are other water conditioners too. Try a little - it won't wreck your basket, and see what you think. In regards to the "How to" drill antlers. Practice on sticks of wood first, if you don't want to ruin an antler. I must confess to using a dab of glue to insure my initial ribs of holding in the holes. I point my ends just a bit to slide into the hole, using a back angle to the drilled hole. To keep my ribs in place, and in a shape I want - I use masking tape which can be torn off at any given time. Much easier than tying for me. I just was warned by a scrimshawer that to inhale the dust of antlers is very, very, dangerous. The dust of course a calcium material that collects in the lungs and doesn't come out. Maybe someone more qualified can be more specific on this. Last, but not least, in regards to WW at Indiana Convention - As a going away present a friend made a reed pin for me - like the aids ribbon or breast cancer awareness ribbon, but in reed. How's about I make up a bunch of small ones and have them available at the registration table. They could be attached to clothing with a pin. All I need are a few positive responses and I'll assume (bad choice of words I know). Finally chilly in Midland MI Kristin %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Weaver's Words Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 13:10:54 PST From: "CLAUDIA HOPKINS" To: davidc@iei.net Joe Conroy: Thank you very much for the idea of staining reed before you make things like snowflakes. I have been meaning to make some and I think this was a good thing to find out before I did them. And I hope that the basket turns out great that is going to have the deer antlers on it, as I'm sure it will. And this is for anybody that is ever in the area of Exeter R.I. , you should consider taking a class from either Joe or Kate. They are two fantastic people and you would learn a lot from them. If it wasn't for them I probably wouldn't be addicted to basket making. Now I am responding to a question that was in Weavers Words a few issues ago. Some one was looking for a lighthouse basket pattern. If that person ever finds one could they let me know as I have been searching for some time. I saw one in a basket catalog but when I called the company they said that were not doing them any more. And I have a brother who collects lighthouses so I would love to be able to make him one. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: basket stuff Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:29:07 -0800 From: "Kathey Ervin" To: "David Collins" Hi David and all basket buds, I'm interested to know how to make sure you get some credit from the books I order from Amazon Books. Pam Feix - about your hands - can't help you on your nails. I don't tend to go places where I have to have pretty ones. But I have been bothered with some hand problems in the last few years. It helps me a lot to ice my hands if they have had a big workout for awhile. I know the ice kind of hurts at first but then it has a wonderful numbing effect. I follow the icing (not frosting!) (15min - half-hour) with a thorough rub in of Arnica Gel that I get from my local health food store. And I follow the Arnica with some Tiger Balm. Hope this helps. I've been making some lampshades - I buy a frame and weave cedar bark over the frame. I'd like to find an outlet for lamp parts - More shade shapes and the parts so I can make my own lamp bases. Does anyone know a source? Thanks for the funny holiday cards David! Happy Holidays Everyone Kathey Ervin Sequim, Washington State %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: SCAM -- Careful girls.... Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:07:31 EST From: BJCRAFTS@aol.com To: davidc@iei.net LADIES.....BE CAREFUL!!!!!!! On Inside Edition there was an article that is of interest to all women. There are several new scams to abduct women. In one, a man comes up to a woman in a Mall or Shopping Center and asks if she likes Pizza. When she says she does, he offers her $100.00 to shoot a commercial for Pizza, but they need to go outside where the lighting is better. When the woman goes out of the mall she is abducted and assaulted. Another ploy is a very nicely dressed man asks a woman if she would be in a Public Service Announcement to discourage drug use. The man explains that they don't want professional actors or celebrities they want the average mother to do this. Once she leaves the mall she is a victim. The third ploy, and the most successful, a very frantic man comes running in and asks a woman to please help him, his baby is not breathing. She runs out of the mall following him and also becomes a victim. These have been happening in well-lit parking areas, in daylight as well as night time, all over the country. The abductor usually uses a van to abduct the woman. 'Inside Edition' set up a test in a Mall and 10 out of 15 women went out of the Mall on the Pizza and the PSA scam. And all of them went out of the Mall on baby scam. Please pass this along to your friends and family as now that it has been shown on nationwide TV there are bound to be copy cats of this %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Chris Baker (Days Gone By) has sent you an Eeek-Mail! Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:52:58 -0500 (EST) From: cbaker@ime.net (http://w3.ime.net/~cbaker/) To: davidc@iei.net You all have an Eeek-Mail from Chris Baker (Days Gone By)! It's waiting for you here: http://www.house-mouse.com/Eeek-Mail/?id=12091052.464 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: A Message for the Season Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:47:00 -0500 From: "Donna" To: "David Collins - Weaver's Words"