"Weavers Words" Vol. 2 Iss. 48 Date Sent: October 04, 1998 Subscribers: 809 David Collins 408 North Devon Avenue Indianapolis, IN 46219 317-899-5747 davidc@iei.net {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} ***IMPORTANT INFORMATION*** ***PLEASE READ BEFORE PRINTING*** 1.) Highlight entire issue. 2.) Click copy. 3.) Paste issue into a word processor of your choosing. 4.) Now Print. {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Hi Everyone, (P) I've entered my little cousin, Jace, into a baby photo contest on the net. I would appreciate it if you would go vote for him every day for the next week. To vote for Jace go to: http://babyzone.com/babyvote.htm You can also check out Jace's web page that I made for him. Be sure to sign his guestbook and tell him how adorable he his. The address is: http://www.angelfire.com/in/DavesBeaniePage (P) I have noticed that some of you are Mark McGwire fans. Well I'm not sure if you realize there is a Mark McGwire Salvino Bamm Beano. It's almost identical to the Ty Beanie Babies. I have the red and gold version, which is retired. It's really going up in value. Sometime this month the 2nd Series with a purple McGwire is coming out. If you would like to see the retired McGwire go to: http://www.iei.net/~davidc/mcgubear.jpg (B) I would like to thank Ms. Jane Wilson for her donation. Even though it's not neccesary, it's nice to get the mail and receive something other than bills and junk mail. (B) We already have 74 recipes. I have revamped the recipe page. It loads much faster and is easier to navigate. Upon your request I've added to more categories to the Recipes Page: Crock-Pot Recipes & Non-Edible Recipes. Keep 'Em Comin'. http://www.iei.net/~davidc/recipes.html Take Care, David davidc@iei.net {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: thoughts from Donna Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:54:45 -0400 From: "Angie - Country Seat" To: "David - Weavers Words" Hi all, Donna's e-mail is on the fritz - she can receive but not send. So she read the last WW's and gave me her notes to post. Here goes: Diane R - I've made this stocking and I believe the diagram is mislabeled. According to the 3rd paragraph, after doing the 6" square base, you should have 12 - 1/2" vertical spokes on the front bottom and 18" to the right. (base is woven above and to the left of center marks) The 12 - 1/2" bottom turns up to become the toe and the 18" right folds left for the leg. When the toe is complete, all spokes are either cut or tucked and you use 16 new short pieces of 1/2" to form the rounded toe portion. None of them are from the original spokes. Hope this helps you out. The Country Seat, Inc. 1013 Old Philly Pike Kempton, PA 19529-9321 USA 610-756-6124 ctryseat@fast.net http://www.countryseat.com {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: The Artist's Way Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:10:29 -0400 From: "joym" To: Attention all Artists & Fine Craftspeople (now you get to decide what you call yourself!): Starting Wednesday October 7th (and every Wed. thereafter) at 8:00 p.m. EST there will be a group meeting at the ART SPEAKS! live chat to discuss the Artist's Way process. The Artist's Way process is in the book by the same title, by Julia Cameron. If you have wrestled with the "inner critic" in regard to your art/craft; if you could use more motivation &/or excitement about your work; if you'd like to increase your ability to think about your work seriously as income producing; if you'd like to be able to claim the title Artist without feeling like an imposter, this "process" is something you should try! You can find the Artist's Way group (Wed's 8:00 p.m. EST) at the ART SPEAKS! live chat http://www.signofthecrow.com/commloft.html Invitations have gone out to a variety of artists & fine craftsmen throughout the Net. Hope to see you there! If not, you may also reserve a time for ANY art-related topic or media by e-mailing me. Joy Sign of the Crow in Hampden, Maine where the leaves are falling, the color is up, & the mulled cider is brewing on the stove. {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Willow Discussion Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:34:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Donna Kallner To: davidc@iei.net OK, I'll jump in on the willow discussion, which I'm delighted to see getting such interest. I've taken willow classes with Jo Campbell-Amsler (rib-style), Joanna Schanz (stake and strand) and Sandy Whalen (stake and strand) and highly recommend each of them. I prefer working rib-style, partly because I use a lot of wild willow and can "make do" with materials that aren't perfectly matched, which is harder to do in stake and strand. I would also recommend Kathy Kellenberger, who will also be teaching stake and strand at Michigan in October. I haven't had an opportunity to take classes with Kathy, but have observed her teaching and seen how she preps for classes. And a friend of mine took stake and strand classes with Sally Goymer and said she was great. Yes, yes, yes -- jump at the chance to take a class with any of these instructors. Donna Kallner White Lake, Wisconsin {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Picture Frames? Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:34:24 -0600 From: "Dana Hoffman and Matt Wilson" To: Hi to all. Does anyone know where I can get a pattern for weaving a wicker-type picture frame? I'd really love to make some for Christmas-- Thanks, Dana Hoffman hoffmanwilson@imt.net {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Deadbeats? Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:09:33 -0500 From: pphawkins@juno.com (Patricia P. Hawkins) To: davidc@iei.net References: 1 Hi David and all, I have a question that I have wanted to ask and think that now might be a good time, with the recent discussion on listing the names of the basket swap participants who didn't send their baskets. I have been in the basket business for a long time, teaching and selling patterns and kits. One of the best things about this job is being able to make many new friends from all around the country, and over 99% of them are honest and responsible. When I send an order to someone, I always assume that they will pay and never require money ahead of time. Rarely do I receive a bad check or non-payment from one of our "basket family." If someone doesn't pay in a reasonable amount of time, I also assume that either it slipped their mind, got lost in the mail (yes, it does happen!), or there was a family crisis to deal with. I either call or send a reminder and this usually solves the problem. However, I sent an order in June to someone who had still not paid by August. I sent her a note and heard nothing by September. I called her and she insisted that she had sent the check and since it didn't make it here, she would send another one that same day. It's been 3 weeks and still nothing. I brought up her name with a basket business friend and was told that she is NOT to be trusted---that she has "stiffed" many of us and many suppliers will no longer deal with her. I am putting her on my "deadbeat list" but don't know what to do now. If she had indicated a problem that would cause her to pay late, I would certainly have dealt with that, but I can NOT handle being lied to. I am tempted to "expose" her by circulating her name, but don't want to be vindictive. Any suggestions on what to do? Now it's back to work for me! I just got home from two wonderful weekends teaching in Wisconsin, and have exactly three weeks at home before teaching at Michigan, Reed Treat in Indiana, and the Florida Southern Basketry Conference in Tampa (that's three weekends in a row!). I am looking at a LOT of prep work to get ready for all of these classes! Patti Hawkins, in IL, where it is FINALLY starting to get cool {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 2 I. 47 Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:59:26 EDT From: Sandybsk@aol.com To: davidc@iei.net Sherry: Sterling Silver or Gold Vermeil jewelry can be found at the following website: www.bewley.net/mscreations. If you can't access the internet you can email me for a current catalog. Thanks for inquiring. Sandy {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: New member of list Date: Friday, 2 October 1998 8:04am ET From: j.dwight@umassp.edu To: davidc@iei.net Hi everyone, I've joined this list this week and have enjoyed reading the posts. I've been weaving (on a loom) and spinning for years but just made my first basket last month. I love it and want to get started on lots more. I'm particularly interested in twined baskets but want to learn everything. So on to my questions: 1) Do you know where I can take classes or go to a workshop? I'm inWestern Mass. (not the Berkshires though, Pioneer Valley). 2) Where can I g et basketry materials (reasonably) in my area? Joan j.dwight@umassp.edu {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: more from Donna Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:23:23 -0400 From: "Angie - Country Seat" To: "David - Weavers Words" Oops, didn't mean to send the info from Donna yet, I wasn't done. Oh well, here's the rest: Pine Needles - For anyone interested, we carry Judy Mallow's "Pine Needle Basketry - From Forest Floor to Finished Project" (personal note from Angie - This is a beautiful book with a inspiring gallery of work by contemporary pine needle artists) along with her first book "Pine Needle and Nut Crafting" Gail - I, personally, think you did the right thing by publishing the names of those who did not fulfill their end of the swap. They have had ample time to get their baskets out or respond to Joy's inquiries as to why they have not. Keeping the baskets they received, amounts to fraud and theft if they had no intention of sending ones out! If something legitimately happened that they couldn't keep up their end of the deal, the one's received should have been returned immediately (or forwarded on to their swap buddy with a note of apology) and Joy should've been notified. It still isn't too late to send the baskets. Joy - I really believe that some people don't want computers in their homes. I know I don't after using it all day at work. My sister, a travel agent, feels the same way. I have other hobbies that I don't have enough hours in the day so as it is. Gretchen - Is it possible the chemicals in your water softener are affecting the results with your walnuts. Try collecting some rain water and using it as a test to see if that's the problem. Alice - As a lover of round reed weaving, I decided to take a willow class from a most patient Bonnie Gale, whom I would highly recommend as a teacher. Ten long, hard hours later I had a completed shopping basket that I am most proud of. I also understand Sandy Whalen and Johanna Schantz are excellent teachers. "Willow Basketry" by Verdet - Fierz is an excellent book with great diagrams. Donna - getting colder as we sit here this afternoon. The Country Seat http://www.countryseat.com posted by Angie {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: lashings, stains, carpel tunnel etc! Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:26:20 EDT From: DebGring@aol.com To: davidc@iei.net Hi everyone! I finally got caught up reading WW this am! YEAH! I had carpal tunnel 9 years ago, had the surgery, am fine now. The only residual I have is that holding the index finger and the thumb a certain way for a long time frame (crocheting) is painful. The surgery was outpatient, local anesthetic, (that hurt) but took 9 min on one hand and 10 min the other hand. I was off work 6-7 weeks, (had both hands done at once). Looking back, I am glad I did it! I lash some baskets singlely, with double lash at handle, and other I do a double lash. I probably do more double than single. For small baskets of which I make very few, I use small cane or reed. I have used the "Weavers Stain" and like it a lot. It is quick and easy and looks really nice. The iced tea/coffee stain I mentioned earlier was a recipe I got from the list that Shirley had. I don't remember the exact proportions, but used more tea than coffee and mixed it in warm water to start and used a sprayer. I would experiment to get the look you want. It does take a few applications. I think my S_I_L's basket I made her, I did with tea in a plastic bag with ammonia. That turned out really nice. As I said with the cradle thing I made, I did with ammonia and chewing tobacco. It looks nice and the ammonia smell went away quickly. It is very light in color. I probably will not use it again though, Thanks Bert! I have used minwax right out of the can and had good luck, but with baskets that get food, I like the tea/coffee mix. I have not tried making my own stain, although we have Black walnut trees all around here. The waxing sounds novel, I've used baby oil and most recently, lemon oil and that leaves a nice gleam after staining. I would encourage anyone just starting to weave to take some classes! I think that seeing a technique being done is important and better than reading about it and then trying to do it. I have Lyn Siler's "The Basket Book" and it is great. (Of course, I also have a lot of books and patterns and supplies too, what shall we call that disease? ABPS?) Today is going to be a weaving day, so had best get to it! Have to work this weekend (I work 12 hr shifts 3 days a week) so today is the last day of freedom until Monday! I enjoy hearing (reading :>}) about everyone/thing on the WW. Hope all is going well for all of the 800+. Thinking of you all here in sunny, cool NW Ohio. Take Care, Debbie Gring {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Miniature Baskets Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:14:27 +0000 From: burnsey2@juno.com (Laurie Burns) To: davidc@iei.net In response to CLAUDIA HOPKINS" request for miniature basket pattern information. I recently ordered Basket Weaving Small Collectables from Royalwood. It contained 6 antique-repica such as a doll cradle, wool-drying basket, shaker cheese bit basket, kitten head, herb-drying and a heart basket. They use mainly 3/16" flat oval, #1 RR and 3mm caning. I have also seen the Country Seat offer miniature patterns and you may want to try them as well. Good luck! Laurie Burns in cold, rainy Clinton, NY Hi basket weavers In the past few issues some of you have spoken about miniature baskets. Could any body help me locate patterns or tell me where I could find some. Thank you in advance for any help any one can give me. {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Walnut stain..... Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:28:50 EDT From: Arlo1225@aol.com To: davidc@iei.net Hi all, It's getting toooooo cold here (upstate NY) may go down to the mid 30's tonight! Brrrr! I'm not ready for this weather! Don't have wood split for the stove yet! Anyway.... To Gail and Gretchen - I have never used the walnut stain, but I did have one thought about your problem. I am assuming that the dye is mixed with water, am I right? Could the water you're using be causing your problem? Do you use tap water? Is it chlorinated, and/or treated in any other way? Well water? Just a thought...we had problems occasionally with our well water in our fish tank. To Susi - the wedding pictures are beautiful! The flowers look so pretty in the baskets! Just posted some recipes - hope you like them! I do! By the way - the apple- cranberry recipe I posted is great served warm with vanilla ice cream! Yum! Now if I could just get my hubby to take the time to scan the photo of my swap basket I could send that along too! Thanks again Debi - it's a great basket! That's all for now - must go and find a sweater.....brrr! From chilly but pretty upstate NY! Lesley {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Weaver's Words Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 14:53:04 -0400 From: Jayna Glemby To: davidc@iei.net Oh how nice to see all the new pictures David posts for us...they really are great. Re: dullness of walnut stain. I too have that problem. Some baskets I leave dull, like a market basket type. Others, I will spray with a clear varnish after dying and they look real nice, with a warm glow. Kathy F. your experience at basket class sounds horrible..but you should complain to the college. Just because this teacher has other classes doesn't make it right to bully people. As far as twining the base....I do it a lot myself, depending on the basket and I have a weaving buddy of 8 years who does it on every basket she makes. She feels it keeps the dimensions true and she likes the look. I go to class for 2 reasons, first to have help with learning, but mostly as a stress buster. I like that I don't HAVE to memorize or remember if I don't want to and can be laid back and enjoy the fellowship, do something I like and cry for help when I need it. Your teacher sounds like a real control freak. Maybe you could take a little personal tape palyer and play some music just for yourself so you can 'tune' her out. Good luck! Re: lashing...I let the basket dictate if it will be single or double lashing. Some times double lashing can be too thick on a small basket. Caning is great for lashing as it rarely breaks and you can pull it so tight. Some time last summer there was a tip on WW to use electricians ties for holding your rim together for lashing. That was a wonderful tip. I buy mine in large quantities at a discount hardware store in various sizes and they are great. Use to use clothes pins and they were always snapping off and flying through the air. The ties are perfect and even though you cut them off and can't re-use them, they are cheap and it's so much easier on your hands. Sometimes my allergies get so bad I have a numbness or tingling in my fingers and until I tried this tip, lashing was difficult. Thank you to whoever sent that tip in..it's worth repeating. Pam F. glad to know your Grandma is coming along, she is lucky to have you as an advocate for her. She remains in my prayers. My prayers and thoughts too, to the family that lost a child. I hope you are surrounded by wonderful memories and lots of comforting love. Someone said a while back that those of us on Weaver's words are a family, and indeed we are and while faceless, we can still care for and nurture each other, and in so doing bring a circle of love around this family. From Jayna in central Massachusetts where it is getting real cold! {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 2 I. 47 Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:04:56 -0400 From: "Donna" To: "David Collins" David - Well, I think I fixed it. After a week of fooling around and trying to figure what was wrong, I went in my file manager and deleted everything from sent, out, and deleted files. Some things I would have liked to keep, but at this point it was all or nothing. Now everything seems to be working fine. Now, just to get l-1/2 yrs. of messages out of my IN box. Those I will not mass delete as I was saving many for a reason. Don't know how you do it, this monster boggles my mind. Thanks for the recipes. Have picked some off to use. Wanted to mention this for all to see - remember the discussion last fall regarding chestnuts/buckeyes?? Well I'm going to send you a recipe for Chestnut Soup. Tried it last night for the first time and was really surprised at how good it was. While I was at it, cleaned & froze a whole pile so I could make Chestnut Stuffing at Thanksgiving & Christmas. >From all I can determine, the Ohio Buckeye and our Horse Chestnut seem to be one and the same item - they sure look identical and are certainly edible. Thanks to Angie who sent in my last reply to WW for me. Donna in PA where the frost is really on the pumpkins now. Can't wait till it kills all the ragweed. {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Back again Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:15:06 -0400 From: Jayna Glemby To: davidc@iei.net To: Mistress Jan, you can weave stiff ribbon into a basket for a very nice look. Also, if you try a stencil or free hand painting and don't like the results.....or goof as I do....covering it up with a row of the ribbon saves the basket. I use a few dabs of white glue here and there to be certain it stays straight and then fold the ends back to 'hem' it and glue again where the ends join. Jayna in central Massachusetts {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Basket Day Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:49:10 -0400 From: Joe Conroy To: davidc@iei.net Hi David, For general information to all subscribers. If anybody is in Southeastern New England on Sunday October 11 you may be interested in attending Basket Day. This is an annual event hosted by the Northeast Basketmakers Guild. It is held at Heritage Plantation in Sandwich, Mass. Sandwich is at the very beginning of Cape Cod on the northside of the cape. Your husbands will enjoy the day, too. There is a collection of antique automobiles that will knock your eyes out. Extensive beautiful landscaped grounds for walking. Baskets on display are for show and for sale. Nantuckets, flat reed, round reed and natural materials. Also supplies and patterns usually for sale. For directions to Heritage Plantations you can contact: www.heritageplantation.org Or e-mail heritage@heritageplantation.org Phone 508-888-3300 If anybody comes please introduce yourself to me. My wife and I will have a booth. We are Stony Lane Basketry. Joe Conroy Exeter, RI {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Speedy David Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:23:16 -0400 From: martyhln@juno.com To: davidc@iei.net Hi David and World Basketmakers, David you are really efficient I do like the shorter Weavers Words though. What a remarkable job you do. I am going to call you, Speedy David. Lois: you are so wise? I am surprised you are into baskets. First off the reed I use is sprayed with insect spray, I am told, a poison. Don't put it in your mouth all Teachers say. The Cushing and Rit dyes are not to be used around food, they even tell you not to use a pan in which you plan to use for food stuff. Walnut hulls are poison, the stain I use Weavers Stain, Minwax and any other is a toxin, use in well ventilated area, they say. As a twice survivor of cancer and both occurred before I even knew about E6000 glue, Would you please post for us all to see, the completely safe products that you use. I am anxious to see the list, I would like to be able to work on my baskets, my great escape, without further worry about toxins and poisons into my system. Gale: I love your attitude and I support you 100% on the calling it, and letting the chips fall where they may. You are Miss Congeniality in my book. You were right to name, names in my opinion. Pam Felix: I bought a sheet of the stamps, they are great, I hope the research does someone good, maybe someday they will have a complete cure. I hope all the cleanup from George goes well for everyone who was in that mess. My prayers are with you. Until next time, go weave a basket, or something for yourself, and have fun. I love this list. Thanks David My best to you and Norma. Warmest Regards, Marty Holihan Flint, MI Brrrr baby it's cold outside here dholihan@gfn.org (or) martyhln@juno.com {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: recipes for crock pot section Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 18:47:57 -0600 From: Sherry Gregg To: David Collins Dear David, Thanks for adding the crock pot section to the recipe page. I have submitted several recipes, as I intend to use my crock pot to buy me the weaving time I so desire and hope others will benefit this way too. I hope no one feels as though I am monopolizing the space by submitting several. Please eliminate some if need be. As always, a sentiment that I hear echoed a thousand times, but still never often enough... David, it is absolutely incredible the things you do for all of us. You are one special guy!! With a grateful heart from the beautiful, already snow capped Rocky Mountains - Sherry Gregg {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Convention Posters Date: Fri, 2 Oct 98 23:02:07 -0000 From: Cas Wucher To: "David Collins" Hi everyone, I wrote in a few issues back looking for convention posters from conventions gone by and have anxiously been waiting for a response. Alas, I have only received a couple of notes from fellow weavers that would also like to know where to get them! :~) So, once again can anyone offer assistance? I'm willing to pay for them. Please send me an E-mail note. I'll be in Seattle from Oct 10-15, any wonderful places I should visit?? Gail, I support you 100% with the decisions you've made with the basket swap. Just keep in mind, you can't please everyone. God Bless Cas in St. Peters, MO. just outside St. Louis, not far from the Gateway Arch {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: aloha,all Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 22:31:32 -1000 From: The Keener Clan To: davidc@iei.net Aloha from rainy, windy Honolulu--and I have an outdoor craft fair tomorrow!! For once, I feel ahead of the game and have everything packed for tomorrow--which means I*ve probably forgotten something. I only have 40 baskets for this fair, which was a last minute decision (and by last minute, I mean 3 weeks ago) and it is a small fair--and I expect 3-4 other weavers there. If I sell half, I*ll be ecstatic. That way, I*ll have a stock for the next one in 2 weeks.. Kathy Fullerton--what a crappy basket class. What are we "lazy women" doing wrong by twining the base? Is there something else I don*t know about? It*s a sad day when sister weavers poke and make comments re: the way others weave. I was taught to weave with a macramé board and t-pins and there were 2 guild members who would laugh and say "Well, here comes Lois and her board" or "Are you still using that board?"--so I did give it up (and I don*t miss it much now that I*m used to weaving without it) but what was the point in the smart comments? Must be that feeling of superiority one gets by making fun..... And do say hello to Eileen. She is such a sweetie and I missed her when she moved..hope she is still weaving. Hi Linda B! Congrats on your prize winning baskets...and about the breast cancer stamp info. I seldom go to the PO as there is a small one right across the street from Richard*s office so I give it all to him to mail. I did ask for a receipt for a bunch of letters I mailed re: Girl Scouting and when he gave it to me, it didn*t add up. He said he used those breast cancer stamps whenever he could even tho they cost more because that cost was well worth it. I was surprised he would think of doing that until I remember his mother has breast cancer. Darleena! Did your coffee table make it in one piece? Are you teaching? Are you weaving? Please write more often--I miss your posts. Ugh--up super early in the morning for craft fair...I*m just not a morning person. Lois {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: swap update Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 11:47:07 -0400 From: "Gail Caron" To: "David Collins" To all swap participants (there are 61 of you): The information about your swap partners was sent this morning (Sat.) or last night. If you did not receive a message from me by the time you read this, let me know ASAP. I hope everything will run smoothly. Gail Caron {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Weaver's Words Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:44:12 -0700 From: hannah To: "'davidc@iei.net'" My goodness, I got an awful lot of response for the gingerbread, recipes for crafting. I am very impressed and I deeply appreciate everyone's help. David, I am voting for Jace, you can count on it!!!! Kathleen Fullerton: What does she mean by the lazy woman's way of weaving? Are you talking about a completely twined base or just twined around the base before upsetting the spokes? Either way, what is wrong with doing that and what is her alternative? Just curious. I do the same type of weaving and I don't think my weaving is lazy by any means. Susan Reed-Fanfoni: Your experiences making the gingerbread goodies sounds like the kind I always have when making something new. It made me laugh at my own experiences when reading about yours. I will have to remember to let My Grandchildren know that they cannot be eaten!!! Karen Mitchell: I am so glad that your brother survived the hurricane, but it sounds like he was pretty lucky. You should tell him for me, that it is really hard on those of us back home, when they decide to stay in the course of danger. My Dad lived in Florida, and it worried me to death. He is gone now, but I sure think of him every time a hurricane hits down there. I am pleased to know that he is ok. Hey, has anyone heard from Linda Scoggins? We sent her an order just before the first hurricane hit in the pan handle area, and we haven't heard a word from her. I am not worried about the order, I am just concerned that she is ok. I sent her an e-mail and haven't heard anything. Does anyone know how she is? I hope and pray that she and her family are all well. Well, just a note about my Grandma. We have received bad news. The cancer has spread to the lymph nodes and we don't know about the liver yet. She has to have a cat scan on Tuesday, but we won't know until October 13th. The Dr. who did the surgery said that if she refused chemo that she has a year or less and if she takes it, he doesn't know because of her age. She is soon to turn 79. I know that there is nothing I can do, but offer her help and support. I just pray that she doesn't have to die a horrible death. I just don't know what I will do without my little Grandma whom I adore so dearly. Please keep her in your prayers. We all appreciate them. Well, so long for now. Pam in Southwest, OH where it is definitely turning fall. It is only in the 50's and we are finally getting that old dreary rain. Keep smiling and Happy Weaving. {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Re: Convention and Festivals Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 07:12:03 PDT From: "Kay Janke" To: davidc@iei.net Hi Weavers: I have been asked something that I think I know the answer to, but wonder if anyone has heard or incurred this to know for sure. I know that public day at convention is from 9 - 5 on Saturday. And I don't see when the special programs are to be held, just the listing of them. If someone wants to go to one of the special programs and are there for Sat. only, are they able to go to one of the programs? If anyone knows this for sure, please post. I remember these programs being later at night. Thanks. Just a reminder that in order to find each other at convention, please attach a 'noticeable' Red Ribbon to the side of your name tag. This should be easy to notice without trying to read the name tag at first. Also some of us that used to be on another online service made arrangements to meet at convention about 3 years ago. As everyone has different schedules, this is not possible for everyone, but you might like to think about it. The lobby, old part, near the Monroe Street entrance has seating & is roomy enough to do that. If anyone is interested we could set up more then one time, to accommodate schedules. Possible time to consider would be around 9 or so on Thursday eve. Those that do not go to pre should be there, or almost there by then. It is just a thought and would give some of us an opportunity to put faces with names. If you are arriving later, then we could make it later. What are your thoughts about this? DeeDee: I have taught several classes. I might suggest something that can be done by the college. Why don't you call them & ask if they will have an evaluation form for the participants to fill out. This way you can give your opinion, and so can the rest of the class. I recently taught a class where the form had 1 - 5, grading the teacher, with 5 being the best. Fortunately I was a straight 5. Obviously this person does not do it for the love of it. There were several questions on the form that they were asked to answer. One of the questions was: "What did you like best about this class"? All the answers were very complimentary, but there was one that really made me feel great. The answer was: The teacher. Obviously you would not give the same answer, but the college may find out that they need to reconsider her teaching this class. If she is teaching several other classes & always has new students, they may not want to say anything either. So an evaluation form may be the answer. Try hard, in a nice way, to get this accomplished, and ask that the teacher is not the one to collect them. Ask if they can be mailed or turned in to the office there! If you would like more information about the questions on the form, just e-mail me. I will be glad to give you the information or send you a copy. Maybe some of the others feel the same as you do, and don't want to say anything. But the parties in charge of hiring the teacher, should be made aware of the situation. If no one says anything, she will be back, if there are iffy things going on, she may be talked to, or just maybe might not be doing as many classes. It is like anything else, if you are not satisfied with the product, how will any changes be made if you don't say anything. I hope that you try, you may find others feel the same. Just yesterday went to a Sorghum Festival, a Pumpkin Festival, stumbled onto a Heritage Festival and then on to our local Apple Festival. At the Heritage & Apple Festival there were beautiful baskets. The Heritage festival was all about old-time way of making things. All the demonstrators were in period costume. The campfires were burning and there was candle dipping, butter making, spinning, etc. and of course basketmaking. The lady there that made the baskets and was demonstrating, had some beautiful baskets for sale. They were very well done and she used handles that looked more carved then most. Very authentic. You could tell she was very proud of her weaving and loved what she was doing. The baskets were also beautiful at the Apple Festival. The lady that does those baskets has some very nice ideas and does painting on the ash strip & decorates them very tastefully. I try to go to the Apple Festival each year and stop to see her baskets. Always come home ready to weave up a storm. Keep weaving & get your jackets out. It is cooling off here way to soon & we had the heat on yesterday in the car & the house. Kay in Michigan Last week it was 92 on Saturday, yesterday in the 50's. {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Date: Sun, 04 Oct 98 14:37:37 PDT From: "Ralph/Annetta Kraayeveld" To: "David Collins" Re: problems with the September swap................. I don't know any of the people who have been listed as not fulfilling their swap obligations, however, I couldn't help thinking of an old proverb I heard a lot when I was a child. 'Never criticize a man until you have walked a mile in his moccasins'. Though it is wrong that they have not participated according to the rules, a little more investigation is in order. We don't know the 'whys' and therefore we should not 'assume' that they are 'deadbeats'. Please think twice and practice kindness. This forum is to special to allow name calling. "A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger" Proverbs 15:1 Annetta K {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: "Weavers Words" V. 2 I. 47 Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 16:59:27 EDT From: whoville4@juno.com (Brian/Diane D Vanden Heuvel) To: davidc@iei.net After reading all of the comments in regards to the last swap issue I just couldn't help but commenting. I think for the most part we all agree that it was not right for the people to not have sent a basket to their swap partner. I, also, totally agree with the fact that there are two sides to every story. I think, though, that it was inappropriate to publish their names. No one besides Joy and maybe Gail needed to know who they were. That was unnecessary. And if they haven't written in to be included in this swap then who cares. They weren't looking to do it again, so why did it need to be made an issue. As far as people being held accountable for their actions I agree that society has strayed far from that path, but even the criminals of today are innocent until proven guilty, and given a fair chance to voice their side - right or wrong. As far as walking in the coordinators shoes, well, I don't doubt in any way that this is a very time consuming and tedious job. It is one, though, that was volunteer, and with most volunteer positions there isn't a lot of glory. I was part of the last swap and was very appreciative of Joy handling it, and felt that those that participated did an ample job of thanking her. No one has said yet that they feel the job is easy, nor are they taking it for granted. A lot of what happens comes with the territory - good and bad. The consensus is that it wasn't nice that they didn't send a basket. To defame their name, though, was DOWNRIGHT WRONG. People - this has all been about 'a basket'! I concur with Myra. Let's move on. And hope that there can be something learned about considering other people's feelings. Whether it be the ones who didn't get the basket, OR the ones who didn't send one. Diane in Beloit Where frost is near, and fall is coming. {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 2 I. 46 Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 18:42:59 EDT From: froggestow@juno.com (Roberta R Comstock) To: davidc@iei.net References: 1 "Weavers Words" Vol. 2 Iss. 46 (B): Anna - I have Susie Vaughan's book. It is excellent. Myra Stutler _ I admire your philosophical approach and willingness to forgive not getting a basket in a prior swap. I must agree with Gail, though, that it would be a fair resolution for those people who didn't send baskets of their own making to their swap partners to forward the baskets they had received. (P): Lois - If you have a contact for the person who recently lost a child, please convey my sincere sympathy to them and their family. Bert Comstock {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 2 I. 47 Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 18:42:59 EDT From: froggestow@juno.com (Roberta R Comstock) To: davidc@iei.net References: 1 "Weavers Words" Vol. 2 Iss. 47 (B): Karen Awong - Your suggestion about using photos of our work to help educate our friends, family and the public, is a great idea. I have referred several people to the WW website, especially the photos. I'm beginning to get more questions about my own work as the word spreads that I am weaving cool baskets. Time to put a little snapshot album in the tote bag, I guess. Kathleen Fullerton - I can see you won't be signing up for another class from That instructor! I wonder if she has anyone return for another class if that is her attitude in all of them? Does the school have any kind of an instructor critique form? I really do think it might be worthwhile to say something, even if only a parting note to the instructor at the end of the series. She may not be aware of the bad effect her negative attitude and harsh criticism is having. If enough people voice their displeasure, she might have to change her approach. (P): Could you please send your ornament dough recipes to David for the web page? (Especially now that he has added a non-edible category!) Darleena Jones - Hope you weather the storms ok. I'm sure you'll be glad to have learned Portuguese. I spent 9 weeks in Austria & Germany when I was in school. I had only had 1 year of German at the time, but was fortunate to have a prof who emphasized conversational German. It was always interesting to go into a shop, be recognized as a foreigner and see the reactions when I would tell the clerk 'Thanks for offering to speak English, but I really want to improve my German.' By the end of that summer I was very flattered that most of the natives could not tell that I am American - they would guess English, Dutch, or Russian, not believing that an American could speak their language so well. They were also extremely willing to go out of their way to be helpful, even though I didn't always know how to say what I wanted without a lot of gesturing and pointing. Fond memories. Thanks for the report. Bert Comstock in cool gray Independence, MO, where the woodbine and sumac along the south facing road cuts are rapidly turning red and the maple trees are starting to turn. {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} If for any you would ever like to cancel your subscription, simply send me a message with "unsubscribe" as your subject.