"Weavers Words" Vol. 2 Iss. 31 Date Sent: September 01, 1998 Subscribers: 771 David Collins 408 North Devon Avenue Indianapolis, IN 46219 317-899-5747 davidc@iei.net {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} ***IMPORTANT INFORMATION*** ***PLEASE READ BEFORE PRINTING*** 1.) Highlight entire issue. 2.) Click copy. 3.) Paste issue into a word processor of your choosing. 4.) Now Print. {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} +++++Individual Weaver's Words Pages+++++ Of course you can always find links to each individual page on Weaver's Words home page (http://www.iei.net/~davidc/). 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If you see a book you are interested in, click on the book title to read more and/or purchase. Also, if you own any of the books, you can click on the book title and write up your own review of the book. This will help other weavers decide if the want to purchase the book. Any book purchased through Weaver's Words web page, Amazon Will Give Me A 15% Referral Fee. Visit the bookstore at: http://www.iei.net/~davidc/book.html Ms. Anette Meier sent me a picture of the basket she wove for the basket swap. You can see it at: http://www.iei.net/~davidc/yourpics/meier.html This may be a new record, we have 16 new subscribers this issue. Take Care, David davidc@iei.net {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Weaver's Words Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 20:48:53 -0700 From: "L. J. Prevost" To: davidc@iei.net Hi David and Fellow Weavers, I hope all of you have found some enjoyable time to weave this summer. Sometimes our schedules get so busy, we forget to relax! David: I collect antiques bottles and inkwells as well as antique cookie cutters. I just recently started collecting children's kitchen toys: cookie cutters, baking pans, rolling pins and sifters. Boy, are they hard to find! (the nice ones, that is). Pam Woodbury: I think our mail carriers are sisters. My mail lady is incredibly lazy. We ordered a custom-made puzzle for our son from a puzzlemaker. When it arrived (I was home at the time), the mail lady left it at the curb by the mail box cluster. No slip or a knock at my door. Thank goodness I found the package before a curious child found it! Another time she simply left a package on the front porch that required a signature. After numerous incidents, I called to complain. I didn't want to get her in trouble, but I felt she just wasn't doing her job. I was spoiled by my mail lady when I lived in Hawaii--she was simply wonderful. She would come back twice in one day to deliver a package or call out my name through the window to make sure I was home. Carolyn Corbett: What a small world--my husband is from Jackson and his parents still live there. Judy Benner: I don't throw out any scraps longer that 5". I keep all my scraps sorted by size in large, clear Rubbermaid containers with lids. Lois: Get well soon! :) Caroline Prevost in Redmond,WA where it is starting to feel like fall. {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Misc Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 03:17:23 EDT From: Arlo1225@aol.com To: davidc@iei.net Hi all! Finally finishing up my swap basket - hope my buddy likes it! Although I've made the basket before, this time it had a mind of its own and some parts were a struggle. Still, like you said Diana, compared to quilting it is instant gratification! Lois - hope you're up and about soon - hope all went well with your surgery. Alice - my aunt had surgery for hyper-parathyroid problem - she no problems during or after the operation. After she came out of the OR and except for the bandage over the incision you would have never known she had surgery! Christine Raymer - where in W. Ma are you? Anywhere near the NY border? Cathryn (Wickerwoman) - hope you received my e-mail - let's try again to connect! Re: collections - I love cats; quilt and basket books, articles, patterns, materials and gadgets/tools - (could probably open a fabric/basket/quilt shop!); animals - 5 cats, 4 dogs (2 labs), 2 (ornery) geese, and 100+ pheasants and quail my son raises in a 4H raise-and-release project. My daughter loves seals and beanie babies, my son collects precision model Tractors (esp. John Deere), my Aunt who lives with us loves pigs, and my husband loves old books - mostly science-related and cookbooks - and yes - he's a great cook! Hope all survived Bonnie with no major damage and hopefully the next one (Darlene?) will die out before reaching land. Bye from hot and mostly sunny upstate NY - Lesley {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: waxed linen, Longaberger, and class patterns Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 05:56:07 -0400 From: mbzaj@infinet.com To: David Collins References: 1 Hello to all, Alice, thank you for your input on my question. I would guess that no more than 20% of my students would ever use the pattern again. That figure may be too much as many "think" they'll use it again but don't. (Strange, I never buy patterns that I don't use!) It helps me to get your feedback. Longaberger; I have to put my 2 cents in about Longaberger. I have a close friend that is pretty high up in the company . I also have been to Dresden in 96 and 97. The company was started by Dave Longaberger. He has truly lived the American Dream. The guy had to take the 5th grade three times and is now a millionaire. Their company started with a very few weavers back in ? (Maybe early 80's?). Now they have "football fields" full of weavers working every day to supply the whole country (and beyond?). It is located in Dresden, Ohio. In one workshop they make the bases, and in the huge workshop they have the weavers that take the baskets from there to finish. Other that the bases, the basket is made and signed by one weaver. I made one of their baskets in their Make a Basket shop. The lady that taught me, Bonnie Hague, is on of the original weavers from way back when. The night before she taught me, she was awarded the Spirit of Longaberger Award, a yearly award given to one valuable employee. I enjoyed quizzing her. (I guess I'm a Longaberger snob as the only one I own is the one I made myself!) Their baskets are stained with a water-based stain in a spraying chamber then dried and shipped. I interviewed one of the weavers demonstrating in the museum area. He weaves around 30-50 baskets a day (medium in size) and gets off work early to go golf (they are paid by the piece). This hurts to know how little time is in the baskets and so many people think they are wonderful because they are handmade. People are willing to pay more for them than my baskets that take 4 or 5 hours. The L basket I made also, after drying all the way, packed down so far that I wanted to add another weaver! I've since noticed this in other L baskets too. I guess this comes from rimming a hardwood basket before it is dry. (Debbie, remember us drying our baskets with the Curry's before tucking and rimming?) My friend is now among the top 100 dealers in the company, and if she retains this status, will earn a trip to London this winter. She usually just gets to go to the Bahamas or Disney World! (and sometimes earns her husband's way too!) The high prices of their baskets not only pays for vacations but has given me a modest basket class business as many of my students have come to me because they are tired of paying those prices. Different strokes for different folks. On waxed linen, I have Royal wood's waxed linen "chart" is wonderful. It has actual samples of all of the colors and also samples of each ply. It is truly worth the 2.00. Sorry so long today, I just know a little too much about Longaberger to sit still. TTFN, Brenda Johnson, from SW Ohio, Where school starts Monday and things will get quiet. *sigh* {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Re: Overlay and peanut baskets Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 08:13:19 -0400 From: jbenner@juno.com To: davidc@iei.net References: 1 HI all, What a wonderful source of information this list is! SO many time I write down stuff intended for others as I have wondered too! I will check out the Royalwood site as I'd like to see what these waxed linen baskets look like. To Alice Edwards, Thanks for the overlay idea. Now, excuse my ignorance, but what would an overlay be? Can you explain or send me to a book or site that will explain? I'm assuming that you insert a smaller piece of dyed reed overtop of a weaver in a basket? But I may be wrong and would like to see what this looks like. Thanks! I asked on another list and got quite a few replies but thought I'd bring it up here too. I saw a peanut basket advertised in a small line drawing country accessories catalog. I was wondering if there were patterns out there for this. Some nice people sent me to patterns by Seibert and Kable. These are attached at the rims. The one in the drawing seems to be resting on something between them. Not sure if this is just an artists interpretation or really a base. Does anyone know of this basket. It is advertised in Gooseberry Patch catalog. Hope that's okay to mention it's name. It's a double basket by the way, about 4 1/4" wide by 5" deep each one and they are together so one can hold peanuts and the other shells. Or as they said chips and dip, toilet paper and potpourri...etc. So many baskets so little time Judy Benner (in eastern Pa. where Bonnie is not showing her face and my spinning wheel is beginning to feel neglected) jbenner@juno.com {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: RE: "Weavers Words" V. 2 I. 30 Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:16:06 -0400 From: Susan Tripp To: "'David Collins'" Lois: What a great idea of the handle swap and then making the basket. I have never heard of that and think it's a great idea! Now, are my 20" hoops too big?!? :-) I think 2-3x a year is plenty for a swap. And for the natural baskets, there may not be as many swappers, but it may be fun for those of you who do weave with naturals. We (un-natural weavers) could just join in the next swap. Wendy, I just had to comment on how lucky your family is to have your g-g-grandmother's baskets in the family. I just think that is so special. All this discussion on the older basket books finally sparked an idea in my head. Part of the beauty of living in the Ithaca area is all the opportunities here. We have a several places here that are huge resources for out of print books. One is less than a mile from my home and boasts the most out of prints books available anywhere. I can't believe I was sitting on this gold mine all this time. As soon as I finish this, I am off to see what I can find. It may be nothing, but then again... Cindy, I am sorry! Even if my comment didn't sound malicious, I feel I had that intent in my heart at the thought of loosing anything from WW. :( I enjoy all the comments, but I find myself skimming past much of it because like Brenda, I spend way too much time on the computer. I suspect once I am gainfully employed again, that will end. But anyhow, if it is getting too big for some, and becoming a huge job for David - although he hasn't complained - maybe "something" should be done, but not sure what! Bye for now from chilly, wet upstate NY. Bonnie's aftermath is finally reaching us up here. {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: "Weavers Words" V. 2 I. 29 Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 08:40:30, -0500 From: YQXG35D@prodigy.com (MRS JONI-DEE T ROSS) To: davidc@iei.net I am new to the Weaver's Words, but I would love to get involved with "the Swap" It sounds like such fun! I live in Dover, DE and I would love to go to Cape May to weave this fall-I have several friends that would love to come to. Please send me more info about the swap and the fall @ Cape May! Have a great day weaving...Joni-Dee Ross {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 2 I. 30 Date: Sat, 29 Aug 98 07:30:57 PDT From: pywoodbury@worldnet.att.net To: "David Collins" References: 1 , 2 Hi David and Weavers, I had responded in private to David that yes I too am addicted to Beanie Babies. I started by collecting them for my grandkids and then thought they were so cute starting getting them for myself too so I am collecting for several people. BettyK I thought I would give my 2¢ about a mid size car and convention. I remember my very first convention 11 years ago like it was yesterday. I had a mini van at the time and 5 of us rode together in it. Well first of all we all took materials to weave with being sure we were going to be making baskets like crazy. Now remember the mini van is packed full on the way to convention. Well there is so much going on and so much to do and all the class baskets to finish none of us ever touched any of the materials we brought. Now we all went crazy buying all the newest basket weaving goodies as well as all the reed at such reasonable prices. Need I say more. Add to this that we all made two or three baskets in our classes at convention. Well we were so packed on the ride home that me being the driver I was the only person not holding things on her lap. The morale of this story is if you are going by yourself maybe a midsize car is big enough but if a group is going drive something big and DO NOT take all kinds of reed with you. If you get the urge to weave when you are not in class there are literally 100's of kits for sale at reasonable prices. For those of you going to your first convention as a student on the first day of registration any classes that are not filled with at least 12 students will be offered for sale so if you have a free day you can fill it with something at convention. They start lining up for these classes early in the afternoon on Thurs. so come early if you are trying to get another class. I had a blind lady I taught in a class at convention once. She had a friend who was a non-weaver with her to help her if she needed help. She never did. I trued up the basket for her a little, but she made that basket by herself. She made my Hearts and Curls Market Basket so it wasn't just a little nothing basket. It was decorative and wood lets attached. I don't remember if she was blind when she started weaving or already was a weaver and went blind. I have extremely bad eyes myself and there are really very few things I can do without hurting my eyes. I have muscle damage from 18 years of not having classes that cannot be corrected so if I do something like cross-stitch my eyes cross after a few minutes and will hurt for days. Basket weaving has been a lifesaver cause all the crafts before basket weaving took a great toll on my eyes. The computer doesn't exactly help them and I must admit they get strained from time to time while using it. If we are agreed on a red ribbon at AMB convention I will try and remember to wear one. I am sure we will discuss it enough that even I can remember to do it. Pam {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Mary Stone Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 10:39:20 -0400 From: roman@tm.net To: davidc@iei.net To Mary Stone concerning the Indian Arts/Crafts discussion: The brief discussion concerned how any basket makers should "define" basket weaving - as an art or craft. I had seen the VERY last of a show on TV discussing the Western states serious dealings with terminology and definitions iei handmade by Indians, assembled by Indians etc... AND IF a basket weaver choose to define her/himself - how these laws applied to all artisans/craftsmen. It's pretty specific stuff that doesn't necessarily apply to many hobby weavers, but curious from an "informed" weaver point of view. Can you educate us (sort of) briefly? I have many different thoughts on this subject, many conflicting. If I take a class from you and then weave another basket at home or sell it at a fair - what would you want me to do? If I am from Australia (which I'm not), but have researched and am using authentic materials that I have traded or bought from another weaver in the Pacific Northwest or southwest and am weaving that basket - how would you have me "sell" it. As a reproduction? We all cringed when the splint basketmaker in the Northeast (?) began shipping his materials overseas to be assembled and then shipped back. I am against the exploitation of overseas labor, yet given good conditions - is the work not needed by them? (I know the given good conditions is the point). We admire the Japanese visitors to basket convention and their skills - if she were to weave an Indian or shaker or "other style" basket would it be any Less? an Indian or shaker or other style basket. If a Vietnamese or Chinese woman wove a basket in her native country and did it well, is it any Less? As you see I have more questions both real and philosophical than opinions and I'm sure there are a million variations on any conclusion - but, Mary give us your insight. Kristin - recently moved to Midland. I collect Gnomes (only the ones I like), laundry, dirty dishes, and I never met a flower I didn't like. I'm like my Grandpa who didn't have beautiful gardens, but had MANY beautiful plant friends. {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 2 I. 30 Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:55:10 -0000 From: "Jeff & Diana French" To: "David Collins" Hello everyone! David: Thank you for standing by your word. I think many of us feel that we are a family and love hearing all that everyone has to say. I think the idea you had about accessing WW on the web page is a great one. You are always thinking of ways to help us out and we all love you for it!! :~) By the way - loved doing the survey. I keep going back to see how it's changed. Joy: Kat is in Maine - Bar Harbor to be exact. Talked to her husband this morning. I plan on heading to Maine on Thursday next and hope to see Kat then. Maybe we can both find our way to your place - it would be fun meeting you! I too like the Secret Santa idea for our next swap. I'm still anxiously awaiting my basket in the mail. The suspense is killing me!!! It's been so much fun hearing about everyone else's basket that I can't wait to tell everyone about mine. Come on mailman.... Amy from Ohio: Good luck on your FIRST craft show! Well, it's time to start a new basket.... I felt guilty having so many unfinished projects laying around the house that I spent several evenings this week finishing up on finished baskets. What that means is that I lashed a lot of rims :) It feels good to think about a new project with nothing else sitting around begging to be finished! I don't collect too many things... Santa's, lighthouses, all my son's artwork and baskets! Happy Weaving to all from Diana French in southern New Jersey where Bonnie passed us by :) {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 2 I. 30 Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:07:10 -0400 From: "Donna" To: "David Collins" David - Thank you for not censoring us. We may get a little off the beaten path sometimes, but I for one, find it interesting to hear what others are doing. As I stated before, this allows me to "visit" with old friends and actually "hear" them talking as I read their postings. Yes, we can e-mail personally, but with over 700 subs, there is much more interesting input in this type of forum. If it's "strictly business" that someone is looking for, there are other places to go on the web to find it. I personally think it's fun to read them, granted, some more thoroughly than others. I don't care if they arrive every day. Whoever told you to "GO AWAY!!!", we are probably happier and much better off without them. Kay - You asked for it. I collect antique china with violets painted on it. Also, my husband & I collect match covers, boxes, barrels, books BIGTIME. (That's what we were doing in the big city of Moline, ILL - our annual international convention was there.) Wendy - Welcome. There are a number of actual baby cradle patterns available. We still have a few copies of Sharon Wrights "Triple Braid Cradle" which is woven on a wooden base. round reed spokes, footer & border, flat reed body with half-hood. Basket Weaving-Beds & Bassinets; Baskets, Baskets, Baskets #4 & Romancing the Reed are all books containing full size cradles. Was a project I always wanted to do but never did. Oh well, maybe there will be grandchildren some day although we already have and antique cradle & bassinet in our household. Wonderful that you still have your g-g-grandmother's work around. We have a number of blind, basketweaving customers. Most seem to work in round reed. Sue - If you're talking about the Provender basket in How to Make Baskets #2, we carry the 24" un-notched oak for this. (Have you seen Deerfield Peddler's Beanie Baby Storage Basket?-on a 14 x 10 flat top D handle with 4 "cut-out" holes for babies to stick out through. Really cute.) Donna in hot & muggy PA http://www.countryseat.com {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: It wasn't my intention Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:27:59 -0500 From: Gary Dunham To: "davidc@iei.net" Computers are wonderful things. We are able to converse with people from all around the world. The downside is it's not as personal as talking face to face and things can be misconstrued. I never intended to hurt anyone's feelings when I wrote my opinion on the format of Weaver's Words. Your lives ARE interesting. To see postings from Pamela Woodbury (who's "Hearts and Curls" basket as gotten me many compliments) makes her seem so much more real, not just a name on a pattern. I've gotten numerous emails from fellow weavers who agree with my opinion, and for their support, I am grateful. For the others who do not agree, I respect your opinion. That's what makes the world interesting. Cindy Dunham {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: lurking & swapping Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:29:30 EDT From: AuntPattie@aol.com To: davidc@iei.net Dear David, I guess the basket swap is going to drag a lot of us lurkers out into the open. I keep telling myself that I'm just too busy to sit down and compose a coherent letter to WW but I suspect it really has more to do with that whole "fear of public speaking" thing. I am coordinating the Greater Atlanta Basket Guild's "Weave & Twine In '99" which will be held near Atlanta in February. All summer long I've been receiving boxes of beautiful baskets from teachers who would like to come to Georgia in February (I think it's a great place to be anytime). Unfortunately I had to eventually box them all up and return them to their real owners. In the middle of all this (and so many other things) I have not had a lot of time to weave. I was grateful for the basket swap because it gave me the perfect excuse to put everything else aside for a while and weave something. I mailed my basket off and got back to work on our convention brochure. Yesterday, I went to the mailbox and had a package there from Bert Comstock. I was confused for a few minutes as I had never heard of her teaching at a convention. I had forgotten that I would also receive a basket. Soon I was dancing around my kitchen woohooing and telling everyone I must be the grand prize winner. I have learned many things from reading Bert's letters in WW but what I didn't know is what a remarkable talent she has for weaving. She made me a gorgeous wall pouch on a piece of driftwood woven in shades of blue and natural with dyed round & flat reed, smoked reed, rushes, mulberry sapling inner bark, white birch bark and embellished with raffia, jute, waxed linen, sea shells & a stone. It looks perfect in my house although my friends have been telling me it would look much better in their houses-- sure. I'll send a picture via snail mail so that everyone can be jealous of me not just my best friends. Seriously, thank you Bert for such a beautiful and thoughtful basket. It will always be a treasure. After our February convention, I would be very happy to help coordinate a basket swap. Joy, thank you for all your work. David - you too! Pattie Bagley in Georgia where, when it gets hotter, you just walk & talk slower. {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Basket weaving in Indiana Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:56:40 -0700 From: dimick@swbell.net To: davidc@iei.net David, My mother is a weaver in Indiana and belongs to the Indiana Guild. I was wondering if they have a web site? She lives in northern IN. Thanks Diane {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Weavers Words Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 22:06:18 EDT From: Charweav@aol.com To: davidc@iei.net David and All: Thank You again David for all the work you do for us all! Elaine- When I started weaving, 9 years ago, there was a blind woman in my class. She did a great job on most things simply be feel. She stayed in the classes for about a year. I think you should try a small basket with the kids. Start in small numbers and go for it!! Susan Tripp Just so you know and do not worry, I did receive your Winter Weave registrations today! All is well. Just a note about me! I'm trying to get some motivation and time to weave. We have 3 teenaged boys. I spent the last week feeding 30 boys (Soccer) dinner all week, then Friday, 2 football teams dinner. Life will settle down one day! Take Care All Char {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Bonnie Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 22:56:07, -0500 From: BDKE97B@prodigy.com (MRS BILLIE A DORRIS) To: davidc@iei.net Just an update to let everyone know we survived Bonnie. After 2 days of waiting with everyone off work and expecting her to veer off to sea without harming us we were sucker punched. She revived just before she got to us on Thurs even. We lost power for the last time about 10pm and it didn't return 'til 2pm the next day. We still don't have cable but can't complain as there are still people without electricity. Our biggest damage was the loss of two willow trees in the back yard. The problem however is that one of the fell on the fence. So we were out early Friday morn trying to gerry rig something so the dogs wouldn't go walkabout. The only good thing about it is that from now on people will take the warnings seriously. When you hear the news from Va. Beach and they talk about Sandbridge (which always washes away as houses shouldn't have been built there in the first place) we are about 5 miles west of there. Saw the backpack in the LL Bean catalog and it is great. Congratulations. About the expensive baskets. That is not unusual for a master weaver. The workmanship is usually exquisite. Karen and Daryl Arawjo from Pa. custom make the most gorgeous Nantucket jewelry box you have ever seen. It is an oval with many smaller Nant. fitted inside to hold the various pieces of jewelry. Some day when I win the lottery!!! Have finally forced myself to get back to work as my next show is in a month and am not nearly ready. Too many things to occupy my mind this summer. Well it is late and so I will close and write more later. Billie in Va. Beach. {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Small Bean Pot and MinWax mix Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:19:31 -0400 From: "Bill Haslebacher" To: Hi All, My name is Susan from the hills of WV and I have been weaving baskets for 3 years and love every minute of it. Have been enjoying WW for the last couple of months and thought I would jump in and participate. Does any one know where I can purchase a pattern for a small bean pot basket. No one seems to be able to find one. I also have been experimenting with different ways to stain a basket and wonder What is the MINWAX mix? Thanks. Susan {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Mr. Postman Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:27:14 -0400 From: Steve Steidel To: davidc@iei.net Hi Everyone, I am patiently waiting for my swap basket. I can't believe myself, I'm actually looking out the window several times a day watching for the mailman. Our mailman is great. We have piles of cut up trees and limbs from Bonnie lining the curbs and he graciously gets out of his truck at each box to deliver the mail. Now if he would just bring my basket I'd like him even more. How timely this conversation on blind weavers. I will have a legally blind weaver in my Community College class that starts Sept.1. I spoke with her on the phone. I will just try my best to help her but did try to explain that I cannot abandon the rest of the class. She was most understanding and explained that she had no expectations of keeping up. So we plan for her to take as many sessions as necessary to complete one basket. Her husband will come into class with her and help her set up her water bucket and things. About patterns and copyrights. I have asked permission from several authors to use a page or two from their book or pattern and have found them obliging. Copying something and selling it is a definite no even if it is not copyrighted. Anette Meier - Where on LI do you live? I come from Cutchogue but live in NC now. Happy Weaving Fran Steidel {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: waxed linen Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:49:44 -0400 From: Preston A Raymer Organization: The Raymers To: "davidc@iei.net" Royalwood Ltd. in Mansfield Ohio carries waxed linen in 2, 3, 4, and 7 ply. Their address is 517 Woodville Rd. Mansfield, OH 44907 Their phone number is 1-800-526-1630 {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: JUST A SUGGESTION Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 18:27:05 -0500 From: Gary Dunham To: "davidc@iei.net" WEAVERS WORDS FORMAT (P) - Maybe we can come to a compromise on the WW format. Maybe what we could do is similar to what Bert, Diana and some of the others have been doing. Before responding they type out the person's name, similar to what I have done at the beginning of the paragraph here. A (P) after it would denote personal and a (B) after it would denote basket. That would give those of us who just want basket info an easy way to skip over the personal info. I am assuming we are all pretty good typists and the extra couple letters shouldn't be too bothersome. COLLECTABLES (P) - type in your collectibles under this heading. Now, I'm not trying to get anyone upset. This is just a suggestion. I don't know how others feel about it, but with the members of WW's having grown to 750, maybe we should consider a few changes that everyone can live with. I know we are all a great group of weavers and if we all put our collective 750 heads together, we can work this out. Happy Weaving! :o) Cindy {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Huge Issues! Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:18:06 -0400 From: "joym" To: Holy Cow, the Weaver's Words issues are getting plump! I enjoy it all. Still the best "read" in town! *So Ann Ridgeway, you are going to Germany, you lucky girl you. As my Great Grandmother would say "the old country" is beautiful. I hope someday to visit the land from which my ancestors (on both sides) hailed. Learn all you can about their basketry & don't forget to come home and tell us :~) *I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of my swap basket!! What could it beeeeeee?! *I liked Lois' idea of a handle swap. That would get my creative juices flowing. Of course, without much basketry activity in these parts, all of your ideas & sharings help in that department. *Sally/lawyer/basketmaker: Thanks so much for sending Tom Field's comments on copyrights. What a small world! I used to work at Franklin Pierce Law Center's Admissions Department. Is that where you went to school? I can believe that the issue of what is & is not purely utilitarian is hotly debated! I don't think the issue is whether or not any of us needs the grief (no one "needs" the grief); the issue is whether or not the creative ideas embodied in art & craft are worth protecting. Personally, I see no reason why mechanical "inventions" should hold a higher value. All contribute to our society in different ways! I was surprised he did not mention design patents. I know basketmakers who have filed for them. *Bert: you can find ICQ for downloading at (if I get the spelling right) mirabalis.com *Roxanne: It turned out that magazine was more like 1500. However, you can see a few Medieval lamps & things in the Tuscano catalog. *Alice: about the value of collectibles, who knows what really holds value? I remember a jeweler telling me about what a wonderful investment diamonds are. I asked him what he would pay me for a family ring from the 1800's & he scoffed at the "European cut diamonds".. When I asked him what will happen to the "investment" value of today's rings if yet another (newer than our "brilliant") cut comes out, he didn't have much to say! As for L baskets vs. fully handcrafted baskets, I trust people of the future will be able to tell the difference. Joy Moody Sign of the Crow in Hampden, Maine where it is hot & muggy again & Bonnie's tail barely touched these parts enough to cool us off! {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Weaver's Words Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 07:08:09 -0700 From: "Barbara J. Mercure" To: David Thank you David for this forum. I am new to Weaver's Words. I have been weaving for 8 years and am looking for sources(people or publications) that are knowledgeable in wicker horse carriage construction or restoration and stick and tea service baskets(carried on the carriage). I am interested in the history as well as the techniques involved. {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: computer is down Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:28:18 -0400 From: Chris Baker To: davidc@iei.net Just a note to let everyone know that my computer is down. Anyone emailing me or placing an order, please give me more time than usual to respond. I am currently using a friend's computer to get email, etc. I will post another message as soon as it is up & running again. Chris Baker Days Gone By http://w3.ime.net/~cbaker/ Online Catalog: http://w3.ime.net/~cbaker/catalog {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: newsletter Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:52:05 From: Shirley Burgess To: davidc@iei.net David: Am new to the internet, weaving and newsletter. Enjoy all the information about weaving. However, am a little intimidated with the apparent skills of many of the newsletter subscribers. I am looking for a pattern and have unsuccessfully spend a million hours surfing the net for a "peanut basket" This is simply to round baskets that somehow are joined together. I think even a beginner like me could manage this - but not without a pattern. If you have room in your next newsletter could you include my request? Thanks for your consideration. Shirley B. {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: RE: "Weavers Words" V. 2 I. 30 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:28:56 -0400 From: "Susi Nuss" To: "'David Collins'" Hi everyone: Susi Nuss here in Bolton, CT where the hurricanes didn't amount to much and the weather has finally gotten a little less hot and humid. Just back from two weeks in the Adirondack Mountains. (great basket country) Trying to catch up on the mountain of electronic and paper mail. Our son is off to his first year of college (SUNY Cobleskill), our daughter and son-in-law moved from CT to Meshoppen, PA last night, and our youngest son is back at high school today. Thanks Lesley for the information about the Indian Museum in Cobleskill. We'll try to get there soon. To those interested in the pillow baskets - Shereen LaPlantz's Plaited Basketry: The Woven Form ISBN: 0-942002-00-8 has a description, photos and basic instructions starting on page 71. I don't think this book is in print but you can probably get it from interlibrary loan. Susi Nuss Basketry - The Mining Co http://basketry.miningco.com mailto:basketry.guide@miningco.com {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: weaver's words Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:31:52 -0500 From: Beth Bechtel To: davidc@iei.net Hello, All! Up until now I have been just reading, but now I have a question. I am going to Ireland in November and would like to know if anyone knows of any Irish basket related things to do/see. Shops? Displays? Tours? Thank you in advance... Beth Bechtel in (tiny) Brooklyn, WI {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: swap basket Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:19:40 -0500 From: PHIL LOGAN To: davidc@iei.net Hello David and weavers, Received my swap basket today from Anette Meier, which was a Tom Thumb Laundry Basket made of ash. Thanks Anette! You done a beautiful job on the basket. Checked out your website. Loved your cats. It looked like Wizard was posing for the picture. Real cute. We have three cats too. Very spoiled cats. Purchased a Pat Richter lampshade through "The Country House" awhile back. I have a lamp basket pattern by Judy Richmond that I want to get around to making and use that shade on that basket. MS Creations also has the lampshade now, under new items if you've never seen one before. Thanks Joy for organizing the basket swap. This has been a lot of fun. I hope we do another one eventually. I think a couple of basket swaps a year would be plenty. I think people could get burnt out on it. Thanks David for doing such a great job with the website and thanks to all the great weavers out there with all their information and stories. Happy Weaving, Gloria Logan from Lincoln,Illinois {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 22:11:14 -0400 From: David & Ruthanne Morningstar To: David Collins From: Ruthanne Morningstar Hi to all, Been busy with workshops, canning and taking my Refuse To Be A Victim training and a million other things. Yes, I will share the Dandelion Jelly recipe. Pick 1 quart of Dandelion Flower heads, wash them well, drain and boil in a quart of water for 3 minutes. Drain off 2 - 3/4 cups of the liquid and discard the blossoms. Add 1 box of Sure-Jell, 1 tsp. of lemon or orange extract (I used lemon concentrate) and 4 - 1/2 cups of sugar. Boil for 3 minutes, skim off any form, pour into jars and seal. Process for 10 minutes. Makes about 5 half-pints. Tastes like honey. AND, it's full of vitamin C. I made the mistake of collecting my flowers, rinsing them and laying them out to dry because I didn't have the time to make the jelly right then. BIG MISTAKE! All the flower heads went to seed and I had the stuff floating around the house. If you don't have time to make the jelly when the Dandelions are in bloom, just boil for the 3 minutes, drain off 2 3/4 cups of liquid, throw the blossoms away and refrigerate the liquid for a few days. Good Luck! My information comes from "The Dandelion Celebration" A Guide to Unexpected Cuisine by Peter Gail, Goosefoot Acres Press, P.O. Box 18016, Cleveland, Ohio 44118-0016, (216) 932-2145, ISBN 1-879863-51-0, $10.95. It's amazing what people can do with Dandelions. It's been so long since I've written and so many people I wanted to answer. It would take me hours to go back through WWs, so I'm not going to look up some names, okay? To the weavers who took ribbons at the County Fairs. I've judged fairs before and if there is only one entry and you don't feel it is of good enough quality for a Blue Ribbon, the judge does not have to award it one. Even if you were the only entry, you still have to be of good enough quality to suit the judge to earn the ribbon. So, Congratulations!! Basket Guilds - I've been weaving since 1983 and was talked into joining a Guild, Besty's Bunch out of Davison, Michigan, by Marty Holihan last year. I wish I had joined years ago. It's great fun with lots of sharing of ideas. We all enjoy being around people with the same interests. If there's not one established in your area, start one. If you need info on how we run ours, please let me know. I sent our By-Laws and information to a group in Florida and I received a very nice Thank You card signed by all members. BASKET BUYS - I didn't do as good as another person did, but I did get a rattan woven suitcase, size 28" long, 16" deep and 11" high, in excellent condition with brass locks that REALLY work AND the key for $20.00 at a flea market. Not sure how old it is but I thought it was really a neat find. To the weaver wanting to make a Bee Skep. Nancy Basket has a pattern in the book "Natural Baskets" Edited by Maryanne Gillooly on Page 79. Retails for $16.96 - ISBN 0-88266-793-9 Published by Storey Communications, Inc. Pownal, Vermont 05261. Great Book!! Jan from West Des Moines - Royalwood Ltd. carries Waxed Linen in 2, 3, 4, 7 and 12 Ply with a wide variety of colors. Address 517 Woodville Road, Mansfield, Ohio 44907, 800-526-1630, web site: www.bright.net/~royalwood/ - E-mail: roybilkat@worldnet.att.net I've ordered from them. Fast, friendly service. They carry a large variety of almost everything. Just finished teaching 6 new weavers to weave a wool drying basket with swing handle at the Michigan Fiber Festival. They did really well. I would like to think it was my teaching, but they seemed to listen to everything I told them and we now have 6 converts. I also taught beaded pouches and waxed linen bags. Heading out to New Mexico in a couple of weeks to the NRA Whittington Center for a Rifle Shooting Course with the GURU of Shooting, Col. Jeff Cooper. I'm looking forward to that. Then, in October if all plans work out I'll return for a basket weaving experience with the Hopi People. We're trying to finalize details now. I'll keep you posted. Tomorrow is the 1st of September, so my basket swap will be in the mail. After decided what to make, staining and letting it dry to get rid of some of the smell, it was a real chore to find a box. But managed. Ruthanne Morningstar in Finally Cooling-Off with temps in mid 70's Dryden, MI. David & Ruthanne Morningstar Dryden, Michigan Mstar@mich.com dmstar@CompuServe.com {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: new page Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:12:37 -0700 From: Sharle Osborne To: davidc@iei.net While cruising down the coast, WA and OR, seeking NW sweet grass, my husband put this page together for me while riding in the passenger seat. He used the pictures we already had on the laptop, and will be changing the site very often, I'm sure. He would like to include interviews with local basket makers in the future and other local ethnobotony. http://www.olympus.net/personal/skoehler/bskt.htm He does some web pages for a several environmental groups here on the Peninsula. He also has a computer program he wrote you can download for either Mac or PC. It has pictures and information on the trees that are native to our watershed. You'll find links to his other pages under the basketry links. I made a new double walled purse of cedar with some cherry outer bark worked in. I'll send in a picture when I get one. Kathey Ervin is on her way over here now to show me her new lidded cedar basket. It is so great to have other basket cases around to share with! From Sequim, where it is warming up because school is about to start. Sharle Osborne sharleo@orca.esd114.wednet.edu http://www.olympus.net/personal/skoehler/bskt.htm {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: swap basket Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 09:50:02 -0400 From: Steve Steidel To: davidc@iei.net Hi Everyone, Well there I was waiting for the mailman when the UPS truck pulls up with a box for me. The box was heavy so I thought this could not be my basket. But then I recognized the name as a basket person. Coincidentally WW had put us in touch several months ago because she wanted my Mini Fiesta pattern and then I got to see her great contemporary work through photos. Thanks Pat Moritz for the great wire basket. Your fingers must really get a workout. I will definitely take a picture and send it to David so the rest of our weaver friends can see what a unique basket you made for me. Now it's time to get ready for all the fall workshops that are coming up and tonight starts my basket class at the community college. Fran Steidel {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 08:09:19 -0700 From: hannah To: "'davidc@iei.net'" Hi David and all of you fellow weavers out there!!! I will keep this very short and to the point. Cindy: I sure hope that all of the opinions that have been posted, since your opinion, has not turned you away from us. I feel like we should all be able to express ourselves freely, here, and be respected for such. I hope that you will continue to be part of our family. We don't want to lose anyone!!! :):) Cathryn Peters: WOW!!! What can I say? The seats that you wove, are absolutely fantastic. Put a feather in your cap for that!!! Congratulations and please be sure to let us know when the program will be on. Thanks for sharing. I need to apologize for the comment I made about imported baskets. I agree, that all of them are not "bad" baskets, but after doing so many so called craft shows and having to compete with the prices of imports, I just get aggravated. I feel like they are not crafted items and those of us who love to weave, and do so passionately, as I do, then we sometimes get less objective when it comes to imports. I know that there are imports of every craft out there. I have found, though, that "Homemade-Handmade" baskets have much more personality and quality. I do want those who like imports, not to get angry with me, I just spouted off when I shouldn't have. There are a lot of cute little imported baskets out there, I just personally do not appreciate them. I don't want others to think that I am trying to put down their work or what they appreciate. It is just my personal taste, and everyone has a right to have their own!!! This is a wonderful family, and I am proud to be part of it. I sent my basket out, but have not heard whether the person receiving it has received it yet. I hope that she likes it. I am still awaiting mine as well, can't hardly stand the suspense. I am in a weaving frenzy, so must sign off. Thanks for listening. Pam Feix Southwest OH, where I collect antiques off all kinds, Aunt Jemima's or mammies (preferably antique ones, but do have some very good reproductions), and of course, BASKETS!!!! {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: New Resource Listing Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 07:47:16 -0800 From: "Jill Choate" To: "David Collins" Just for those who maybe interested. The Art Deadlines web page www.rtuh.com/adl now has a listing for referencing different art resources on the web including basketry. If you are interested in linking your page to theirs you can do so by contacting Richard at adl@rtuh.com. It's close to snow here in Talkeetna. The leaves are turning and or course the rain faucet on the sky hasn't stopped yet. That's okay since the termination dust (a.k.a. snow) on the mountains is slowing making it's way down to us. The dogs are howling more with anticipation of the coming season and I'm anxious to jump on those runners. The Midwest tour continues to fill up with different guilds and organizations for summer 1999. If your area is interested give me a hoot and I'll get you scheduled in. Think Snow!! Jill Choate Talkeetna, AK choatepp@corecom.net www.corecom.net/~choatepp {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Weavers Words Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 14:45:16 -0400 From: Larry & Amy To: weaverswords Hello David & weavers! Well, with all the great discussion here about patterns/copying, etc., I think I'm going to open a new can of worms. I just got back from my county library where someone had bought & donated 2 Lyn Siler books and Baskets from Nature's Bounty by Jensen. I already have one of the Siler books I use a lot. What about the patterns in these books? With all the talk about "copying" patterns, is it ethical for me to make these baskets? The books were purchased by someone, but not me. And I have to admit, even 6 months ago, I wouldn't have even considered NOT making them, but with the ongoing discussions here on WW, I'm torn. Am I getting a little paranoid/nuts? Well, I'll be anxious to hear thoughts on this--especially from pattern/book authors. Thanks! Amy from OHIO **Whoops, almost forgot-are there any WW-ers out there going to the "Basket Gathering" workshop weekend put on by Royalwood, Oct 2-5? I'll be there Fri through Sunday & would love to meet! Baskets forever...Housework Whenever! {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Just a friendly "Hello" to all readers! Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:19:51 -0500 From: kata9@juno.com (Kathie C Anderson) To: davidc@iei.net Hi All, Love reading all the WeaversWords and hearing about everyone's up's and down's, makes you realize you're problems are not always that big when you hear about someone else's. Lois: I must have missed the chat night when you let everyone know you were going in for surgery. By now it's done and over and I hope you are on the way to recovery. Just think of all of us being on your side and saying a little prayer for you when you get a little down. It takes awhile to get back into the swing of things after any kind of surgery--hope all is well. (No "RED MEAT" remember our extensive talk about that one night") Hang in there. E-mail me if you get totally bored during your recuperation time! Love to talk about Maui with you. Anette, from Long Island, NY: Welcome aboard. It's fun reading and sharing basket thoughts here with David and everyone else. I have a Godchild that just got a job with Vogue Magazine in New York, maybe I'll get up to see you sometime. Just another one of those places you want to go to but never seem to make it there! Brenda Johnson: I too love "Elephant Ears"! I go to the Michigan Fair and it's a must. Also try and get one at Ann Arbor Art Fair, but this year it was too hot and humid to wait in line for one. Hope the "Pigs" didn't bother you too much at your sale!! hehe Alice: Wow, it's nice to know that "Sometime" when I least expect it you will have us in your prayers for no reason other than we are all one big happy family here. Thanks for me. I getting excited about my first Convention! Can't wait to see if I can meet some of you lovely people. I had a scare yesterday and had my doubts. I was surfing the net for just a little too long and my wrist was so pain full I thought for sure it would never be the same. Took a few pills and things are a little better today. My life flashed in front of me. No more weaving or inter-netting! What's left if I had to give that up. Morale of the story is don't stay on line for 6 hours straight, it takes it's toll on your wrist and the bags under my eyes aren't exactly too cool either. Bert: I had problems getting all of the last issue too. I went to the back issues and read them from there. I need to try and copy to a file and see how that works next time. I'm not sure about doing all that fancy stuff with the computer, but it seems like a good time to learn. David: When I'm reading back issues why are the margins so far to the right on some peoples messages? It makes it so hard to read, having to go back and forth with the slide on the bottom of the page. Do you know what I mean? Okay I've managed (as others have) to take up way too much time and space, but heck it's fun hearing from all of you! HAPPY WEAVING FROM GOOD OLE MICHIGAN, WHERE YOU CAN'T FLY OUT OF METROPOLITAN AIRPORT BECAUSE OF THE "Northwest Airlines" strike. I'm so tired of hearing about it already. Kind of like the "Clinton" thing. Happy Birthday - Jillka!!! Love MOM! Hope you liked your "Hot Air Balloon Ride" present! xoxox {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Weavers Words Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 17:26:10 PDT From: "Alice Edwards" To: davidc@iei.net Hello Weavers, David - Bless you for all your effort, I found the survey results very interesting. Mary Stone, Cherokee basketmaker - Welcome! I am not familiar with the "Indian Arts and Crafts Act (federal law)". Would or could you explain it to us? Joy Moody - Maybe I have a clue to the rib basket secret. I am still working on my first rib basket, but at the recommendation of Wanda Graham who taught the Appalachian style egg basket in guild, I bought a book called "Turning-Back" that costs $4.50 and is pamphlet sized written by someone whose first name is Scott, I have forgotten the last name. It is available from 'Country Seat' I think. Their web site is "http://www.countryseat.com/". It discusses several methods of doing packing. Wanda actually was teaching us a method that combines 2 of the techniques he discusses. I was very impressed by the book. It made the whole process seem clearer and easier and I wasn't nearly as nervous about what I was doing. Also Wanda had samples of the basket and frankly I think you would be very impressed by how nice they look even if you are a perfectionist. It was not that easy to locate the packed areas. Amy from OH- I like 'Quality items woven personally by' idea for a basket tag. Hope everything goes well at your craft show. Brenda Johnson - Bless you for your sensitivity and for reminding us of how Cindy might feel. I would not want her to feel bad or hesitate to join in again. Cindy - I'm guilty of being one of the 'wordy' ones and I enjoy reading the 'non-basket' mail as well. There was a mixed response from others as well. What if we hunt for a compromise. On some personal issues where it seems appropriate, I will try to remember and e-mail answers separately. In addition, I will try to group the basket/weaving part of my mail to the front of message and other stuff at the last. Would that help? Also, I will try to not let answers 'pile up' so they will be shorter. Lois - Hope the trauma of surgery went well and that you are recovering as quickly as possible. Hooray for you for turning in the ladies with the "L" info at the 'handmade' fair. I definitely agree they don't belong there. If the people who do these fairs advertise 'handmade' that's what it should be and it seems only fair that they enforce it. Otherwise it seems to me they are in 'violation' of their implied contract with everyone who is providing real 'handmade' articles for sale. Hope that all of you in the east came through O.K. in any encounters with 'Bonnie'. Alice in the Kansas City area where rain has cooled it off again for awhile. {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 2 I. 30 Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 21:11:08 EDT From: froggestow@juno.com (Roberta R Comstock) To: davidc@iei.net References: 1 "Weavers Words" Vol. 2 Iss. 30 Kay - That needle case project is inspiring. Just when I've been gearing up to work bigger, here's another teeny project I want to try. Oh, well. :=) It seems I already have a Jerry's stripper in my leatherworking tool kit, but didn't remember the name of it. I also recently bought a fabric stripper with multiple blades that just slips onto the edge of a table and is held in place by the pulling of the fabric (or whatever) through it. I think that was from a fabric &/or craft store. No brand name marks on it. Thanks to everyone who explained about Jerry strippers. Wendy - Your family's heirloom cradle basket must be a genuine treasure and is surely irreplaceable. What is it made of? Does it have a stand? Rockers? Have you got any pictures of it you would be willing to have David post? Maybe if we see it, someone will know of a similar pattern (or write one). Sandi Howard - When is your move happening? Is it a very long distance? Hope it goes smoothly for you. Mary Stone - If you have web access on your computer, you can go to the Weavers Words web site that David lists at the beginning of each issue. He has an archive of all the previous issues there and you can save any one (or more) of them to a file on your computer and then read them whenever you want. The discussion you're interested in about native and non-native weavers is somewhat strung out over a number of issues. It would be good to hear what you have to say about it, too. And Welcome to WW. I don't have my OK map handy; where is Del City located? Joy Moody - I think one of the things I really like about rib baskets is the serendipity factor. In some things I try hard to get every part just so, but much of the time I prefer to relax and go with the flow. Filling triangles is one of those 'let it happen' things for me. Of course, I usually weave them of mixed materials and love the character of the way the symmetry is never quite exact. If I wanted precision geometry, I'd be doing computer graphics, not free-form baskets. :=) Amy from OH - Hope your area is getting over the flooding and cleanup by now. I know how messy and smelly and depressing that can be. Ugh! Good luck with your first craft show. It sounds as if you're on the right track. Sue Bajczyk - I don't know the Provender Basket, but what kind of a handle does it call for? Sandra Kervin - Was your swap basket from Lois Keener? Or do we have other swappers in Hawaii? Sally Reavely - Thanks for the legal discussion on copyrights. Please thank Mr. Field for us too. I recently found a dandy book on this topic, if anyone is interested in further information. The book is *Patent, Copyright & Trademark: A Desk Reference to Intellectual Property Law* by Stephen Elias (an attorney), published by Nolo Press, Berkeley, CA, 1996. It's one of their Self-Help Law series. It seems to be pretty readable, as law books go. :=) ISBN 0-87337-236-0. It was $24.95 new, but I got it for half that used. Well, the Woven Circle guild dye-party was Sunday. We met at the home of a member who lives on an acreage with a patio looking out over a large pond and did our dyeing outside and in the open garage. It's always exciting to watch the drying lines fill with rainbows of colored reed. I think we had about 8 pots of Rit going, each with a different color (dark green, kelley green, navy, royal blue, teal, cardinal red, wine and pumpkin). Several of us did space dyeing. In addition to all the reed, I dyed some sisal twine and the daughter of one member dyed some fabric for the dolls she makes. The weather was hot and sunny, but not beastly so. I regretted arriving too late for the pot luck lunch, but it was a most pleasant afternoon. Now I'll have to weave a fiesta basket with all these wonderful colors in it - maybe a Mardi Gras beachcomber, including the plastic Mardi Gras beads I found on the beach in Galveston! And now it's time for me to go plant the lily of the valley I got from the next-door neighbors who are moving out today. Wonder what the new neighbor will be like... Bert Comstock, in pleasantly cool, damp, Independence, MO. P.S. - I collect: Books! (many subjects), baskets (of course), frogs, textiles and textile tools, other tools, rocks, outdoor plants, friends, and other things too numerous to mention. {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: re: basket swap Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:32:31 -0700 From: "chas" To: Hello All: I haven't contributed in aloooonng time.. but I'm here, and I've been lurking... Today was the first day of school YEAH.... This time of year, seems things start to calm down some.... I hope.. I'm a few issues behind reading weavers words, but am really excited about the basket swap.. I didn't sign up for this last one, because I knew my summer was just to busy... But will there be another??? I'd love to join in if so.. I can't remember the "rules" . Were there any rules?? I remember something about $10.00 or so.. What was that? the price of materials or price of little extras to be packed inside of the finished basket... I'll keep watching and hope to hear more... Hope everyone is enjoying this last fling of summer... Have a safe and sane weekend... :0) Ruth Lascurain Cinebar, WA (where it is WAY TOO HOT !! ) (upper 90's) {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} If for any you would ever like to cancel your subscription, simply send me a message with "unsubscribe" as your subject.