"Weavers Words" Vol. 2 Iss. 20 Compiled By: David Collins Snail Mail: 408 North Devon Avenue Indianapolis, IN 46219 Owned By: Weavers Everywhere Date Sent: July 27, 1998 Subscribers: 695 {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} ***IMPORTANT INFORMATION*** ***PLEASE READ BEFORE PRINTING*** 1.) Highlight entire issue. 2.) Click copy. 3.) Paste issue into a word processor of your choosing. 4.) Now Print. {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} +++++Individual Weaver's Words Pages+++++ Of course you can always find links to each individual page on Weaver's Words home page (http://www.iei.net/~davidc/). 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Just go to Weaver's Words home page (http://www.iei.net/~davidc/), and select back issues from the menu. The password was causing too many problems. Take Care, David davidc@iei.net {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: RE: "Weavers Words" V. 2 I. 19 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 01:07:51 -0400 From: Susan Tripp To: "'David Collins'" Hello, Cheryl VanDeVeer: Please send a picture of your cattail & hule basket along with the shelters - and that plaited one. I've never seen a basket woven with natural materials (and obviously haven't seen a book like that either). Pam: So sorry to hear about your costly show. I've been there. When you go to a show where the host refuses to do anything about the people who don't make their own items, there isn't much you can do except not participate next year. My experience has been that my baskets (and yours) are hand made and they are special. They appeal to a certain customer who appreciates that type of work. If people were spending $100 on those other baskets, they don't realize the specialty of true hand made baskets and probably wouldn't have bought too much from you anyway. There are those shows out there that you just can't tell how well you will sell, or how well the show is put on until you try them. If at all possible, get the names and numbers of other crafters beforehand and see what they have to say about the show. You can probably tell more about the show not by what they say about it, but by your conversation with them in general. I suspect like you that these people were connected either with the Chamber and/or community. On the other hand, I've done some shows where it just wasn't possible to sit there and demonstrate. So, I sit there and (I'm rather shy so I don't strike up too much conversation) try to let the baskets themselves. I've had people look at my sign (Hand Woven Baskets by Susan) and look at the baskets. As they walk away, I can hear them talk to their friends saying there is no way I made those baskets and I shouldn't be allowed in the show. Other people come right out and ask me questions and still say to my face I didn't make them. In a way, it's a compliment! But now I don't do a show without demonstrating. Lois, Lois, Lois. You sure do get yourself into some predicaments - assuming of course that it was you.... :) First, if you asked for it the fastest way, you are responsible. Some Federal Express packages I send out for work cost as much as $25 for overnight service. But, if they made an error in your address, I would say it was their mistake and you shouldn't have to pay. Since you sent your check, and probably had the mail to address in writing, I would say it was their responsibility to pay. You can bring this up that you clearly had the correct address on your order. If they refuse to pay, you have three options: 1) Refuse to pay and probably not do business with them again. 2) Pay it and probably not do business with them because you don't like their way of doing business. Let them know you feel it the error was not on your part and you can't afford to pay for this type of mistake and offer to split the shipping cost. Let us know how it works out. Well, it has cooled down to the mid 70's here. Looking forward to that basket swap! Susan in NY {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Barbara Gilbert Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 07:14:17 -0400 From: Jim & Jimmie Kent To: "'davidc@iei.net'" Dee in sunny Florida, I have not seen the counterfeit Cabin Boy and Cabin Girl. We have been close to home doing NCBA stuff and weaving inventory. I am very disappointed to hear that there are other patterns floating around using Bill and Barbara's design. They are both very good people and just love baskets. Miss Jimmie at jkent@coastalnet.com {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Weavers' Words Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 10:49:05 -0400 From: Winnie Organization: @Home Network Member To: David Collins Hi Everyone, Lois asked about a sleigh pattern. Your question sent me to my basement looking through my Christmas decorations to look up the basket. I number and catalogue all my baskets so I just had to find the number on the basket then look up the number in my basket log. I'm sure the basket you're looking for is the Victorian Christmas Sleigh by Mary E. Skillings. I've made it and it is beautiful! I purchased the pattern from The Country Seat. I have an interesting Country Seat story. I live in Connecticut and the person who taught me to weave moved to Suffern, New York, close to New Jersey, about l8 years ago. We always bought our basket supplies through The Country Seat. We wanted to get together after she moved so we planned a "Basket Weekend" for the Columbus Day weekend in October. I drove the her home on Thursday afternoon. We woke early on Friday morning, packed a lunch, and headed for central Pennsylvania and The Country Seat. It's about a 2 1/2-hour drive. We were so excited when we got there, the place is great and although off the highway a bit, is easy to find. We felt like children is a toy store! First we looked at all the supplies and baskets on display then we sat down to look at their patterns, they have thousands. Before we knew it, we had been there for five and a half hours and had spent an obscene amount of money. It was a great day and we repeated it every year until she moved to Kentucky. Fortunately for me, my daughter goes to school in Pittsburgh and although she has her car there and flies home occasionally, my husband and I do go out there once a year and always make a stop at The Country Seat. I'm anxiously waiting for the name of my Basket Swap partner, it's a great idea. Happy weaves to all, Winnie {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 2 I. 19 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 10:53:04 -0400 From: "Donna" To: "David Collins" Hi everyone - Hope you all survived the heat wave. Today, Sat. it finally broke and it's absolutely beautiful - high 70's LOW humidity. Fabulous for Angie's girlfriend's wedding reception in our yard this afternoon. Cheryl from CA - Lois, I know this question was directed at you, but if I wait to see if you post this answer, I'll forget and never do it. There is a great book out there in "out-of-print" land called "Plaited Basketry: The Woven Form" by Shereen LaPlantz, self-published in 1982.(200+ pages, spiral bound) with as many diagrams as words. She begins with a materials chart for naturals, detailing the plant, part to use, condition for use, where to find it, when to collect, how to collect, and any special instructions. Then she gets into many, varied specific instructions. Unfortunately, I can't tell you where to locate a copy - possibly one of the search sites on out of print books can locate it. Susan - Glad to have you stop by. We're only an hour from Lancaster, ask for best directions when you get here. Please check our hours on our web site. (Closed Monday AM till 12:00) If coming with family, there's a number of nearby places to send them off to while you look around. Lots of good hiking in area including the Appalachian trail. (Web site has links for "things to do" in area. Bert & Dot - If you want real accuracy in a reed gauge, we carry a "sliding" gauge that is brass (Made in Germany) You open it and slide snug to the size of whatever and you can read it in both inches and mm. It's great for measuring things in completed baskets as you can stick it in anywhere you have only a small opening. Lois - Must be nice to leave without fear of rabies. Here in the country, we've had to destroy numerous raccoons, possums and the like which were out during daylight hours and acting "crazy". It's not a pleasant sight. The Sleigh pattern you describe sounds like our pattern "Victorian Christmas Sleigh" - about 4-1/2" wide x 11-1/2" long, flat reed stakes & body, round reed border & trim w/jingle bells, #7 round reed for runners. (Also have a miniature version on same thing.) Re your hypothetical question - if the company made the mistakes as stated, the company "eats" the shipping costs. It shouldn't even be worth their while to charge you for regular delivery as that is not what you wanted. Pam - Isn't being a self-employed craftsperson fun!!! Think of all the experiences you get to have that someone who works in an office misses. (Tongue-in-check!) Horror stories like this have been around forever, and unfortunately probably will never go away. If you don't go back to the show, someone else will take your place. Many promoters are self-serving and really don't give a hoot about you. Very unfortunate. Enjoy a nice weekend everyone. Donna-The Country Seat http://www.countryseat.com ctryseat@fast.net {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: a few words Date: Sat, 25 Jul 98 16:55:34 PDT From: "Ralph/Annetta Kraayeveld" To: "David Collins" Lois: You asked about a pattern for a sleigh with round reed runners. I think it may be VICTORIAN CHRISTMAS SLEIGH by Mary Skillings. The pattern says c/o Baskets of Joy. I have not made it, but it is on my summer list! I hope it is the oneyou are looking for. Since Moss green is now being discontinued :^( could someone post the RIT combos so we can mix it ourselves. I'll try to call RIT on Monday to get it my self and then I'll post it on WW, but it would be nice if at least a few of us tried than we would all get it some how. And now for a bit of bragging. My 13 year old daughter took 2 baskets to the county fair and was very excited to get a blue on her large twill market and a blue + a merit award on her 'Independence Keeping Basket' made from Toni Rynicke's pattern (great pattern Toni). She was very excited and her weaving mother was pretty proud of her. And since this is the group most likely to tolerate my bragging, I thought I would spout a bit. Next week is going to be a zoo around here (the kids have to be at the fair almost every day and I am putting on a baby shower for a friend), but after that week is through I am planning to spend a lot of time weaving. It sounds like a dream- I can't wait!! And now before I change my mind again I am going to email Joy Moody and sign up for the basket swap. I'll decide what to make 'after' next week! Happy weaving, Annetta In pleasantly cool Beloit WI {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 2 I. 19 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 21:35:34 EDT From: JDDCNICK@aol.com To: davidc@iei.net Hi Everyone, To Kathie--There are several excellent teachers in the southeastern part of Michigan--Rochester, Troy, etc. Try Genie Jackson who lives in Lake Orion, also Debbie Richards lives in Lake Orion, which is just north of Rochester. For an excellent source for supplies try Plymouth Reed and Cane, in Plymouth, MI. They also have excellent classes and teachers throughout the week. Hope this helps a little bit. The basket swap sounds wonderful!! I'm anxious to get started on my basket. Donna N. in Grand Blanc, MI where the weather is just wonderful!! {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 2 I. 19 Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 08:28:48 -0800 From: Joyce Fisher To: David Collins References: 1 Bert--I tried to answer you by email but the mail was returned. Help! The Arts ;on the Green was a very good show but the temperature was 103 one day and 104 the next so people were somewhat less than willing to come to an outside show in heat like that. I did do fairly well, though, in spite of the heat. I went to Folsom, CA. to buy gourds this week and, in so doing, found another show which I will enter the last weekend in September. It is a Gourd Festival--apparently with huge numbers of people in attendance My husband will go along to help with the booth so I can get around to see the other booths and some of the demonstrations. I hope to see some examples of combining gourds and baskets or at least basketry techniques. Joyce Fisher jfish@pyramid.net {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: RE: "Weavers Words" V. 2 I. 19 Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 11:52:01 -0400 From: "Susi Nuss" To: "'David Collins'" Hi Everyone: Susi Nuss here. I am The Basketry Guide for The Mining Co http://basketry.miningco.com . I think that Judy Olney posted a message to announce the new Basketry site at The Mining Co. I have been working on it for months, but it just went live the second week of July. I would like to extend an invitation to all of you to stop by and look around. Please let me know if you find the information valuable. I will continue to "mine" the web for basketry related information. The site is still very young but if we all participate I hope it will mature into a truly helpful site. David: Thank you for this forum. Please feel free to use leads to information you might find on my site. I hope I can do the same with leads I find here and I will be careful to site you as a source. Keep up the good work. You mentioned http://www.newhoo.com/ as a new search engine. They didn't even have a basketry subject area until last week. I had submitted my web page and not only did a Basketry heading magically appear, I received an award for my site from them. It's nice to be noticed. Cheryl VanDeVeer: I am also excited about native natural materials. I would also be interested in the Grounds for Gathering book, Kay Ames. Cheryl you might have an interest in reading one of the feature articles on my site - Harvesting Spruce Roots http://basketry.miningco.com/library/weekly/aa061598.htm. It is brief, but it does link to many other Spruce related sites. Because native materials are such a strong personal interest of mine it is likely there will be more to come. You might also want to check out the Natural Materials subsection http://basketry.tqn.com/msubmaterial.htm The wheat weaving you mentioned sounds interesting. I would like to get more information on the wheat from South Dakota. Please find the business card that came with the wheatweaving and post the info. About the hula store material try Shereen LaPlantz's Plaited Basketry: The Woven Form Good ideas in there, if not actual patterns. Does anyone have a current email address for Shereen? I've fallen out of touch. Cheryl, try the Baskets Categorized by Material section of my site for additional leads to fern, sedge, and woodwardia usage http://basketry.tqn.com/msubbaskmat.htm More will be added as time allows. I have been blown away by the quantity of basketry information available (but hidden pretty well) on the Internet. I'm honing my search skills to try to be a better "miner". I find the images of individual baskets to be very informative but I'm not sure most people looking for basketry info are interested. What do you think? Are these image-only links of help or do they get in the way? I'll watch for the information about the California Indian Basketweavers Association's Western Regional gathering in Reno next June. I'd like to win the lottery so that I could spend my time flying around the world to these events. :-) Dee: I noticed this on the Amazon.com site http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0784704465/qid=901456231/sr=1-7/002-9765217-6303833 Baby Moses in a Basket by Patricia Mahany List Price: $1.99 Our Price: $1.59 You Save: $0.40 (20%) Availability: This title usually ships within 2-3 days. Reading level: Baby-Preschool Paperback (January 1996) ISBN: 0784704465 ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.12 x 8.01 x 6.15 It might be of interest to anyone who gets involved in the Moses basket for the Rainbow Perinatal Assoc. project. I have found a good number of Hopi Basketry sites in my "mining". Several of them are linked in my site and more will find their way there soon. Give them a shot. Susan Tripp: Thanks for your kind words about my new site. I hope you stop by often. Thanks again Judy for introducing me around. I should let you all know that The Mining Co Basketry site has an open chat room. Anyone can go there to meet a basketmaking friend to chat at any time. Just arrange a meeting time between yourselves and log on. Go to my homepage http://basketry.miningco.com choose the chat link on the left side of the page to jump to chat. There are full instructions there linked to the chat page in case you are unfamiliar with the process. There are some browser limitations, but those are all explained. There are also two moderated chats on Tuesday at 8PM Eastern and Friday at 9PM. Please join us if you can. Just don't put me down about my typos. The pace is pretty fast and I can spell but I can't type real fast. :-) Susan I might find my way to your neck of the woods pretty often in the next few years. My son starts at SUNY - Cobleskill in August. Any sights I shouldn't miss? Lisa Nortz: How are your Mom and Dad? Are they still only snail mailers or have they made the leap into cyberspace? If they have email I'd love to get in touch with them. Tell them I said hello. I've been seeing your name pop up in a lot of places too. Kudos. Roberta R Comstock: If you have more information on the processing of bamboo for basketry I'd love to hear about it. I had a request for info from one of the visitors to my site. I've been able to give her some leads, but not much specifically about the processing part. Anything posted as a web page is particularly helpful. For All: I purchased a sweet little (8" dia) swing handle Black Ash basket at an antique store recently. The thing is, this basket was in such good shape I either got a great buy or was taken in by someone who is making new baskets and who's work is being sold as antique (with or without their knowledge). This basket is quite nicely made with a carved swing handle and nicely formed castles for the handle attachment. There is a pencil marking on the base and on the handle. The numbers 60 and the letter A in script and a measurement on the handle. The color was right for an old piece and there were a few wear markings on the interior, but there was little of the grain fill that usually happens when a basket is old. I only paid just over $100 for it and if it is new the workmanship makes it worth the price, but I would like to know if it really is old. Does anyone know of an active maker who is doing this kind of reproduction work in ash and coloring the baskets and distressing them to look old? I don't have a problem with that per se, but if they are being falsely marketed then I have to wonder. Any comments? Thanks again for welcoming me into your circle. Kudos David. See you all again soon. Woven Wooden Wishes, Susi Nuss Basketry - The Mining Co http://basketry.miningco.com mailto:basketry.guide@miningco.com {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 16:47:35 -0400 From: reedbasket@juno.com (SUSAN A REED-FANFONI) To: davidc@iei.net References: 1 This is for Susan Tripp in Ithaca, NY. Hi, my name is Susan Reed-Fanfoni, a native Ithacan now living in the Shenandoah Valley area. I am planning to come up to Ithaca on July 31st for a few days (high school reunion). I come up fairly often during the year and would love to meet you sometime. I have been weaving for 14 years and own "Folk Art Basketry": combining crafts with basketweaving. Not too many basket weavers live in Ithaca as you have probably found out. To all you weavers out there, hope your summer is going well. I have a question to anyone who may like to comment: When a basketweaver writes a pattern that is a takeoff of another pattern that is already written, how much needs to be changed to consider it a legitimate pattern? I have pondered over this many times. Thanks for any input you may have. Susan Reed-Fanfoni {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 22:03:36 PDT From: "Kay Janke" To: davidc@iei.net Hi all: It's been quite a while since I have written in, but like Alice E. I have had my share of illness. For several months I hadn't felt good most of the time. After numerous tests, x-rays, cat scans, blood tests, and an ultrasound, gallstones were discovered. So I had them out and spent 2 months trying to get rid of an infection that I got during the surgery. I am now starting to feel better and trying to get some energy back. Alice: I hope that you are feeling better and that you have not had any more problems. Lois: I believe that the sleigh you saw is the 'Victorian Christmas Sleigh'. My daughter made it & it is quite beautiful. Although she said that the runners are a challenge to do. It is about 12"L and about 5 1/4" wide. The top is double braided and the bells hang from the round reed on the ash strip. The runners are made out of #7 reed and are wrapped with 3/16 FO. We saw this same sleigh, not finished, at a shop and the lady to this day has not made the runners and said she doesn't plan to. The last I knew it was put in a closet. It has dark red runners, green trim on the sides and the braided portion is a combination of red & green. As you said, it is awesome. If you want the information for this, e-mail me directly or here on WW & I will look up the address of the author, as she has moved from her previous shop. I went to a shop in Indiana recently. I found out about the shop some time ago, but couldn't find a time to go. Bought some of the Rit powder by the ounce. Guess I will have to measure the dye in the box to get the quantity to use. It is more reasonable to buy in bulk. Of course I couldn't just buy the dye, so I found several more things too. Now I have to find some more room to store all these neat purchases. I found these books in our local library--"Baskets and Basket Makers in Southern Appalachia", "Natural Baskets", and "Old England Splint Baskets" by John McGuire. If his name had not been on it I wouldn't have recognized him. I have not seen him with that much hair or the beard. The pictures in John M. book are mostly in color. Hope everyone is finding time to do some weaving this summer. Stay well. From Southwestern Michigan where the weather is great, but now very cool at night. Kay Janke e-mail--basketladie@hotmail.com {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Re: Rit dye Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:15:47 +0000 From: Sandy Atkinson To: David Collins References: 1 HI, There has been so much talk on this site about Rit Dyes. I am so pleased that most persons like it and use it readily. The colors are so mixable and the company is very nice to work with. I know from experience as they sponsored our 500 series, "Country Basket Weaving-The Holiday Series" on national PBS-TV stations. Our website has information about the series they sponsored. Wanted to let you know that we do carry the boxes and liquid dyes in our shop. We now have some in stock and will be stocking the remainder of the colors very soon. We will carry all the colors so this will be a good place to find them. Wish we could price them like Wal-Mart, but we can't buy in quantity like them, so they are slightly higher priced but all the colors will be available. We have a new office manager, Nicole Church, (who happens to our second eldest daughter) and we are delighted to have her quit her bank job to come to work for us. Things should run smoother now and it will be easier to keep up with the orders. She's pretty knowledgeable and should be able to help you with your questions or direct them to the right person. We also have on our website the Basket Patterns section, which is coming along nicely. The patterns are not all listed yet, as we carry nearly 1000, but they will be added regularly and there are several up and running now. Please visit our site at: sandyatkinson.com and see for yourself how it's coming. We look forward to serving you. If you need a catalog you can get one by email at the site or email me with your name and address and I'll get one out to you. Thanks. Sandy Atkinson for Atkinson's Country House {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Moss Green Recipe Date: Mon, 27 Jul 98 10:49:23 PDT From: "Ralph/Annetta Kraayeveld" To: "David Collins" I just talked to Evelyn at CPC specialty about the recipe for the recently discontinued RIT Moss Green. Here it is: 1 package RIT Golden Yellow 1 Tablespoon RIT Dark Green 2 teaspoons RIT Tangerine Annetta in wonderfully cool Beloit, WI {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} Subject: Gathering Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:06:49 -0700 From: "Ames, Kay H" To: "'Weaver's Words'" Hi everyone. Several folks have asked about the book I mentioned on gathering materials. Here is the info: Oh darn, I just realized I erased the details. Well from memory: It is called Grounds for Gathering, written by Pat Reese and Wilma Ziegler. It is available from REEZED, 1349 S. Hudson, Seattle, WA 98108 for $24.95 postpaid. It describes identifying, gathering, cleaning, storing, preparing and using native western plants and plants from your garden. Cheryl VanderVeer - If you want to meet an expert in gathering western plants for indigenous basketry use, then I highly recommend you contact Dr. Margaret Mathewson. She is extremely knowledgeable on the subject, and conducts wonderful workshops at her studio in Oregon, from weekend experiences to 10 day intensive study sessions. I believe she also lectures/demos/teaches in California sometimes. Write and ask her for a brochure at 16140 Lobster Valley Rd, Alsea, OR 97324. I 'm positive that she will know about your roots. Thanks to everyone for the tips on charting software. It's on the list of things to pursue, but I have to get back to testing Diana Macomber's goose pattern first thing, now that Art by the Bay is over. It was hot! We tried to do too much - the basketry booth plus a children's weaving activity booth was too much to deal with at once. Several members of the guild participated and did a great job working with the kids, summoning up infinite patience. But it was pretty darn hot for all of us - in the nineties - and we're not used to that round here. There was a lull in the crowd late in the afternoon and I decided I would quickly weave something out of the best cedar bark scraps that had been soaking, before they got ruined. I got a base woven and twined around before more children arrived and I started them on a project. Shortly after, I looked up in time to see a small boy cutting the basket beginning in half, despite a whole mound of materials to play with. I yelped involuntarily, then swallowed and said, "Never mind." It was too late then, and besides, I figure the heat made him do it! It was a pretty good show even though a change in location lost us some of the usual drive by customers. I was surprised that basket necklaces (waxed linen and cedar/naturals) did not sell at all at this event. You just never know. Hope everyone is enjoying their summer, whatever the weather. Kay (Harradine) Ames 747 Fuselage Responsibility Center Production Support Team (425) 717-5622 M/S 0J-XE Located at 40-22.5-E4.5 {*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*}{*}-{*} If for any you would ever like to cancel your subscription, simply send me a message with "unsubscribe" as your subject.