"Weavers Words" Vol. 2 Iss. 112 Date Sent: April 12, 1999 Web Page: http://www.iei.net/~davidc/ Subscribers: 1013 David Collins 408 North Devon Avenue Indianapolis, IN 46219 317-899-5747 davidc@iei.net %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Do You Like Weavers Words? Click Below To "Recommend-It" To A Friend! http://recommend-it.com/l.z.e?s=210339 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% "Web Cards" - Create Full-Color Postcards For Your Web Page. http://www.printing.com/affiliate.asp?site=davidc For every free sample of "Web Cards" that you request from the above link, I will receive a $1 commission. It cost you NOTHING. Once you receive your free sample, you can purchase personalized "Web Cards" for your web page and/or business if you like. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Hi Everyone, I would like to thank everyone who has ordered books through Weaver's Words Bookstore. Some of you have asked how do they know if I'm receiving my commission from Amazon. As long as you select individual books or use the search box on the Weaver's Words Bookstore, I'll receive commissions. I receive a commissions check quarterly and a progress report every week that shows which books have been ordered. I've added a few more books. Here's the address to the bookstore: http://www.iei.net/~davidc/book.html Something of interest, I came across a new crafters auction. Here's the address: http://craftersauction.com/ Also, I never censor anyone's postings. But one thing I do on occasion I do correct spelling. The only reason I do is because when I compile an issue, all misspelled words are automatically highlighted. I know how easy it is to type tpyos (Oops, I mean typos). According to Microsoft Word here are something's I've learned. The following aren't words: Basketweaver Basketweaving Basketmaker Webpage For some reason the word "Internet" should always be capitalized. Why? Don't ask me. The most common mistake is "alot". "Alot" isn't a word. It should be "a lot". The English language can be really confusing. Especially if you're from a different country. For example, take the following: If GH stands for P as in Hiccough If OUGH stands for O as in Dough If PHTH stands for T as in Phthisis If EIGH stands for A as in Neighbor If TTE stands for T as in Gazette If EAU stands for O as in Plateau The right way to spell POTATO should then be: GHOUGHPHTHEIGHTTEEAU. Take Care, David davidc@iei.net %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: ww Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 21:13:08 PDT From: "Jennifer Forsyth" To: davidc@iei.net First, I know this is belated but: Darla: You asked about fairs and how many baskets. My experience has been that if I have about 30 or so baskets I am ok. The other thing I do is take orders. A lot of times people will want a specific basket or multiple baskets and don't have a problem waiting for me to produce them. Also, I have put together a small photo album of each basket I have done so people may browse and order from the album. Just my experience - I usually do small fairs locally. I would like to chime in regarding the discussion between Di's Heavenly and Pam Feix. I have ordered from the Feix's on many occasions and have been thrilled with the service and quality of their product. I don't think there is a vendor around who offers the quantity, selection and quality that they do. Unfortunately, I have not had an opportunity to purchase from Di's Heavenly Treasures, but perhaps in the future. I would like to say that competition is a healthy thing and is certainly what has driven our economy since its inception. I do not understand why is UNETHICAL for Pam to sell a basket she has made from a pattern. First of all, she gives credit to the designer. She never says that she designed the basket only that she made it. After all, those of us who do sell at craft fairs and use patterns are pretty much doing the same thing. Am I to understand that for every basket I make from a pattern, that I did not design myself, I need to get permission to sell it and sell it for the price the pattern designer sells it for? I probably could not sell a basket for the same price - I am not well-known and do not have the same experience or name recognition that perhaps the pattern author has. And the fact that Pam sells the basket for half is really based on her business and her customers. She is making a business decision based on her marketplace and demand. Perhaps the price Di's Heavenly Treasures is asking is overpriced. Who's to say? I do find it interesting that Diane does not "want to offend." Merely by saying that you imply you are offending. If I were Pam I certainly would be offended by the implications that her weaving is inferior to yours, especially based on a web page photograph. Well, sorry this is so long, enough of my soapbox...I felt that some things needed to be said. David thanks for this forum. I have learned a tremendous amount and look forward to learning much more. Jenn Forsyth in North Central MA. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: painted handles Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 21:59:57 -1000 From: The Keener Clan To: davidc@iei.net Aloha from really really windy Hawaii, Yes, I paint my handles sometimes. If I make, for example, small fruit buckets, I paint the handles dark green (watermelon or apple buckets) or blueberry for blueberry buckets. I then paint coordinating fruit on a stenciling strip. I sand the handle (after it dries) to the wood on the edges to give it a country look. I did Judy Richmond's NE Tote (I think it was that one) and I stained the handles and the base a dark walnut and stained the finished basket in a mix of early American/golden oak minwax. I like that effect. I have a Lyn Siler pattern for a Folk Art Basket and today I finally wove it and it is a nice basket. However, it says in the pattern: "Weave the sides in "start/stop" rows, overlapping either 2 or 4 spokes each row. (Note: I always overlap the ends for 4 spokes on the first rown and only 2 thereafter.)" Is this common? I learned to do a 4 spoke overlap on every row and I teach that method also. I would think that doing a 2 spoke overlap would weaken the basket....any comments on this? How many do you overlap? Just a note: with the complaints about conventions--Joanne, Karen Awong(and I'm sure many other weavers who live thousands of miles from the nearest convention)and I would love to be able to come to a convention, a weave-in--anything where we could be among other weavers (other than our own guild which we do enjoy very much)--so think about that when you are complaining about something minor like a hamburger..you are most fortunate indeed to be able to attend a convention. I promised my husband I wouldn't get involved with this current discussion--however, I have a comment and a question. I'm not sure I understand part of Diane's viewpoint--do you think those of us who purchase your patterns shouldn't sell what we make? Are we supposed to ask how much you charge and sell for the same price? Are we supposed to put your name on the ticket (for example: from the pattern by Diane L) only if our weaving is comparable to yours? I'm not being snippy, I'm just asking sincerely. (That was supposed to be the comment, but that, too, was a question) And to Pam, you have a lovely site, but that confuses me, too (maybe it is my perimenopausal state or something). I can understand selling bases for the patterns you carry and bases that are pretty common (3,4,6,8 round bases and so on), but I would feel uncomfortable seeing the base of a pattern I'd developed being promoted as "the base for Lois' yadda yadda basket" without you first asking my permission. And I agree with whoever said you might be walking a thin line for copyright infringement. I visited your site this evening and say a couple of things that bother me. One is a basket called "Apples and Bows". I have a pattern for a larger basket that looks just like that one, but it is by Kathi Heuberger and is called "Apples and Bows". Under the basket picture it says "Author: Pam Feix". Did you get permission from Kathi to make her basket smaller and sell it as your own? Your "Wooden Bottom Blanket Basket" is 4" wider than Judy Richmond*s NE Quilter*s Tote and that is the only difference I can see (other than that big bow). "Brenda's Large Workmate/Deskmate" looks just like Barb Gilberts Weavers Workmate, but with different colors. It says the base was redesigned by Dan Feix from the Weaver's Workmate. Redesigned in what way? Did you get Barb Gilbert*s permission before you did this? We just had a pattern conversation a few WW*s ago and the concensus is that a lot of us buy patterns but do change them to suit ourselves and nobody had a problem with that, but we certainly aren*t going on the net to sell them with our changes. If you did indeed get permission from other authors to change their design slightly and sell it (and package it under your own name), I then apologize for questioning you. If you didn't, I would like to know how you feel about doing such. This isn't competition if you are doing that--it is just unscrupulous. Does anyone know where, on the net, that I can view Barb Gilbert*s new pattern--a boat that hangs on a wall? I really want to see it before I order the pattern and wood part. Aloha nui loa, Lois %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Finished wrapped handle Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 08:24:36 -0400 From: dan Organization: ggconcepts To: David Collins I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone on their help on my last couple of baskets. Through everyone's advice I made another quilt basket and wrapped the handle, and yes the lasher broke 2/4 of the way through and I finished it. Yippee!!!!!! Thanks everyone. We finally closed on our lot Friday, 8 acres and 2 ponds, and great fishing. Dreams really do come through. I have a comment to make about the Pam and Diane thing. I to am in Southern Ohio and wish I could get the prices for baskets that some of you are able to receive. But here I have to sell what the market will bear. And that means finding sources for bases, handles, reed, and embellishments at the best price possible. Competition is the way of the world. It is sorta like why we go to Wal-Mart for some of the basics that are cheaper there. There are several other people selling the bases for the arc, not just Pam. Pam's just happen to have the best price and best quality that I have found. And price on the bases or any bases is important. I sell baskets too. I change allot of them to make them more my own, embellishment, color, triple twine an area for added character, etc. But I don't give credit for the author of the pattern, the maker of the base the supplier of the reed. I sell the finished product Period. I think Di lashed out at Pam, and Pam had a right to defend herself. and graciously I might add. Let's not pick on anyone here we are a good group. But there always will be competition, pricing, quality issues. Anyway we are ready to head back out to the lot. See all of you soon. Today while Dan fishes, I am making some pouch baskets that is a pattern or put together, by me to use up scraps and leftovers. Any good ideas on 3/8" pieces 6 inches long (maybe 5") Happy Weaving, Gretchen Where on this cool morning all the cats were snuggled in bed with us. Glad we have a king-size bed. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Forgot to ask about the Wisconsin Dates Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 08:28:45 -0400 From: dan Organization: ggconcepts To: David Collins I forgot to ask, no one responded about classes, basket shops etc in Wisconsin. Aren't there any? If not that is ok. Just wanted to double check so I have something to do while Dan is busy doing his work thing. Off to the lot Gretchen %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 2 I. 111 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:00:57 -0500 From: "Jay Fullerton" To: "David Collins" Judy in PA - I use a Stanley shaver to scarf my rims (wet) and it does clog up. I should try the dry way next time. To answer your question, I weave at the dining room table, but I put down a vinyl table cloth, doubled, and then I weave on top of an old rotary cutting mat. The mat gets scratched by the shaver, but it doesn't gouge the plastic Someone mentioned using a mat several WW's ago. I've been doing it for a couple of years now. Bases are easy to square w/ the grid lines and a short ruler is always right there. My table doesn't get wet or scratched, although if I ever decide to quilt seriously I will definitely need a new mat. Someone asked a few weeks ago about how many and what kinds of baskets to take to her first fair. Any more suggestions? I am going to be in that same spot in June. I've never done a show before and could use a few (many) pointers. This show should be fairly small, but I want to get my feet wet before the BIG fair this fall. There aren't any other selling weavers in this area. Kind of surprising for an Army post. Thanks in advance, off to go fishing. Kathy Fullerton from Fort Polk, Louisiana where sunshine and upper 80's are all we see on the horizon. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: For Weavers Words Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 11:23:33 -0400 From: "Linda J. Braun" To: For whomever was looking for a gathering in July/Aug: The only one that has been submitted to Baskets, Etc. for posting is 8th Annual Southern Minnesota Basketry Workshop July 30-August 1 Sponsored by the Faribault Art Center, Faribault, MN More details are posted at http://www.bright.net/~basketc/festivals.html Thank you so much Kay Harradine for the Febreze info. I tried some on a musty basket and it was just waaayyyy too powerful smelling for me. I'm sending the rest to the chemical recycling day next month. Kati -- I like your expression "clouding the atmosphere." I'm going to remember that one! Judy in PA -- Aha! Now I know why I didn't like the Stanley shaver. I'll try it on dry reed now. Billie -- You mean somebody else reads the magazines in the check out line? Linda - Baskets, Etc. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 2 I. 111 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 09:07:22 -0700 From: Naomi Paquette To: David Collins References: 1 Judy in PA- have you ever seen a "shave pony" there are a lot of suppliers out there, Nantucket and Shaker weavers use them. I have one that I got at a class with Martha Wetherbee I wouldn't be without it. I attach it to my workbench in the garage with a C clamp. I'm one of the lucky ones to have a bench. I cluttered up my husband's bench so many times that I came home one day and had my own. This make shaving handles a dream for me at least. Mary Hooper, Mountain retreat sounds real nice. My class and I are talking about a run-away week end and about going to the Mountains of NC. If you hear of one let us know. Tony - I have my bean pot basket just about done, waiting for my cherry rim to come in to the shop and I can finish it. It came out beautiful, even if I do say so myself. I will take a picture of it and send it to David. Now I am going to experiment with some waxed linen and do one with a tapestry look. I love this mold, it makes a very special little basket. Nice for my collection. Naomi in Florida. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Weavers Words Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:36:48 -0400 From: "Russell & Leslie Johnson" To: Hi David and Fellow weavers I am hesitant to put in my two cents here but I am going to anyhow. Re: Diane & Pam First off I think it is crummy that Diane posted her problems with Pam here on WW. If Diane had a problem with Pam it should have been handled personally by phone or email not posted here for 1000 people to see!! So on that note I would like some clarification. If I buy a pattern, weave the basket, and sell it am I supposed to call the pattern author and ask what they sell it for and price mine the same so I don't undercut the author? Even if I know that twice the price won't sell in my area? Should I call the author and ask permission to weave and sell their "original" design, even though I purchased their pattern? And of course, since I have not been weaving as long as the pattern author, mine may not look exactly the same therefore should I not sell it? And since it is not EXACTLY like the original weaver's should I not put the name of the basket or the pattern author's name on my tag? What if I change the handle, trim, rim , design but the basic basket is the same? Would the author then not want the pattern name or them as a pattern author on my basket? After all there are a zillion Market Basket patterns on the market, who gets credit for the "original" Market basket? I have many of the basket shop's catalogs and each shop sells some of the same items for different prices, does that make them guilty of undercutting their competition? Just look at the price of reed from shop to shop, yet I suppose they all buy from the same source, for the same cost. I would think that if a pattern author didn't want someone making their basket and selling it (for whatever price) the pattern should not have been published for sale for someone to buy, weave and sell, but I could be wrong. I have purchased many items, both in stock & custom, from Pam and Dan and will continue to do so. The quality of Dan's work is unsurpassed and I wish them nothing but the best. I wish Diane the best also there is a place for all of the basket businesses and many of us who keep them in business!! For all our us who don't have an "original idea" is it time to stop weaving until we can come up with our own patterns? So we are not infringing on an "originals" work? If that is the case, what am I to do with all the patterns I have now and why did I buy them in the first place? If some of the "Originals" see this post, maybe they can clarify some of this? I thought weaving was supposed to be fun..... In the future, I would hope that problems between businesses be handled personally, not in a public forum, it serves no purpose here and its tacky!! Just my humble opinion...from Leslie in SE Michigan where it is raining today. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: rim shavimg Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:52:35 -0400 From: Ruth Emberg To: David Collins Judy Rim shaving sure can be a problem to the surface. I keep an old bread board for my bench at home, and two of them for when I teach. One of my students uses a cutting board just for shaving. It is lightweight to carry and works great. I shave the ends of the reed or splint at the joins, and use the board constantly when I am weaving, as well as for rims. Ruth in wonderful springtime PA %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: WW Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 11:01:07 -0700 From: "Pam Feix" To: "David Collins" David and all, I will not post anymore on this issue but must have this one last thing to say. I am so confused. The question in issue 109 was not meant to be a shameful snipe, I was only trying to be specific about the animals that I was looking for and I am so very sorry that this was taken in the wrong way. I thought if I could ask anyone, I could ask my fellow WW members. I did not mean to start a war by asking this question, nor was I trying to hurt anyone. I must say, that although some of you may think this is funny, I am sitting here crying my eyes out because I have hurt someone, and had no intention of doing so. I try very hard to be caring and loving and try also to do everything right, but I am only human. I am being made out to be some sort of dragon lady or demon and that just is not so. Please tell me why I am being blamed for the way that all business in this world is conducted? If you go to the grocery store, how many of one kind of item do you find there? It is the same thing, with a different name and maybe something different, but still the same. Just about every product that you find there and in retail stores, you will find more than one of it's kind, but it is the same and the prices are not the same. I did do research and this is what I found, and it isn't just in the basket world, it is all over the world in every nook and cranny and it is the way the world has set up business practice and has been going on for hundreds of years, and we have only been in business since September of last year. Why is what I have done, just since September, any different than what has been accepted all over the world for hundreds of years? I just want to find a place for us and fit in and be competitive, that is all I have been trying to do. I am sorry that this has hurt ANYONE that it has hurt, but, as I said before, I was only trying to fit in to the business and work right along with everyone else. I do have a question that I am so confused about that I don't know which way to turn. When I buy a pattern from someone, it was said on WW a long time ago, that when you are selling this basket you need to mention the author. Well, that is what I have done. I posted my picture of my basket and I have who the authors are of this basket. Next, I have changed a little on the basket, as I do very many of them, but according to all the talk on here it is still supposed to be considered that the author of the original is still the author. So, is it the author's pattern or is it mine? I only changed the roof and the rest I followed the pattern by. I have done this to others as well. I am trying so hard to do it right, that I just don't know which is right anymore. I want to give the author credit, but did not know that I had to have permission to sell the basket once I bought the pattern for it. When I sell my patterns, I am sure that the baskets are going to be made and are going to be sold. I just posted my picture on the web site and posted the price that I sell that basket for at my shows, as that is truly only fair to my customers around here. I cannot up the price because it is online, because then I am going to have one of those folks come up to me at one of my shows and ream me for charging them more online when they could have gotten it cheaper. I am just trying to keep my prices in alignment with what I charge at the shows. I charge what I do, at my shows, in order to sell the baskets. Like I said before, if I don't sell them, then I don't buy any new weaving materials, therefore, I do not weave. I bought the pattern, for the baskets that I sell, or I have written my own as well. Does this mean that I am not allowed or even that I shouldn't sell these baskets? If that is the case, how can I sell my baskets? I do create my own, but there isn't a craft show that I go to that I don't see 2 or 3 basket booths that have all the same baskets in them. They, too, are selling baskets that they have made from patterns. There are a lot of people who do not write patterns but work solely from patterns and how can they sell their work? Di, I will gladly remove your name from my web page if that is what you want me to do, in association with my finished basket, if that is what you desire, but as far as my selling my finished basket, aren't I allowed to do this, and isn't everyone for that matter? The issue of you telling me what to price my basket, I am not sure but I think that is called price fixing and that is against the law, and there is a law about this. See, no matter what I do, I am making someone unhappy. I was also totally unaware of your pricing on the finished basket. Now, every time I buy a pattern, am I supposed to contact the author and find out if I can sell my finished basket from their pattern and am I supposed to ask them what they charge for it so I don't undercut them? I am so confused. All I did was ask a question, where I was trying to be specific about the animals so that I could find what I was looking for. I was not, in any way, trying to bash Di or anyone else. I am so sorry that you folks all think that I am a horrid person and would even do something like that. I am not trying to sound angry, I am sitting here all upset and trying to explain that I am not a bad person, but now I feel like everyone in this world, at least the basket world, will think I am scum of the earth. Dollie, I did not intend my comment about convention to upset you or anyone. I said that in my post, I was merely stating my experience and I thought that the price was high. I did tell the guy at the hotel, but wanted to share as well. That is and was my only intention. To all of the coordinators of the convention, I said it before and I will say it again, IBA convention '99 was AWESOME, and I did say that in a previous WW. Thank you for all of your hard work and dedication. There is only one thing to say to everyone, I AM SORRY IF I HAVE HURT ANY OR ALL OF YOU. These were not my intentions. Please forgive me. I will not respond to or say any more as I don't want this to end up being a huge war or for it to overrun all the wonderful things that come out of this WW. David, I love you and all that you do for us. Pam Feix in Southwest OH Feix Family Baskets & Crafts http://www.feixbaskets-crafts.com %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Why did I buy this handle?, etc. Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:10:37 -0400 From: Winnie Organization: @Home Network Member To: David Collins Hi Weavers, Judy asked about shaving rim pieces. I use an old piece of plywood, a 1" x 6, or any old piece of pine lumber, about the size of a kitchen cutting board, put the rim piece on that and shave away. Juanita in Baltimore asked about having handles around whose originally intended use has been long forgotten. Whenever I buy a handle, I almost always buy 2, unless it's very expensive or unique. I love having a supply of handles on hand. I have them on a 4' x 4' piece of pegboard on the wall in my basket studio with those long pegboard hangers sticking out. I have about 50 handles. I also have another pegboard, same size, with square, round, and oval hoops in a variety of sizes. I find this very inspiring when I have all these things on hand and don't have to wait for a delivery after I've decided what to make. I also find that it comes in handy when I start a basket with one thing in mind but change my mind part way through my project. Naomi thanks for the feedback on the "reed in the dryer", the dying in washer idea, and "try at you own risk" warning. I'm always willing to try the unconventional. I'm still waiting to hear about conventions in the summer, anybody know of any? I usually just take day trips to basket supply places. I live in the northwest part of Connecticut. Can anyone give me some ideas of places to visit? I usually do H. H. Perkins and The Country Seat. Thanks, Winnie %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Febreze Information - NOT a Threat Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:53:29 EDT From: Diane L Ericson To: davidc@iei.net Hello fellow weavers and animal lovers: When this Febreze warning was sent to me, my husband checked the Urban Legends web site and found this information. I thought I would share with you, since someone posted the warning in the last WW. Don't want anyone to panic. Happy Spring! (And spring-cleaning!) Diane Ericson Minneapolis Metro area This information comes from the Urban Legends Web site: http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/library/blfebrez.htm?pid=3D2733&cob=3D=home Febreze Warning Posted: 03/21/99 (Updated 03/29/99) This rumor is currently circulating by email: Febreze Is Dangerous to Pets There have been multiple instances of dogs and birds who have died or became very ill after being exposed to Febreze, a deodorizer/air freshener. Febreze contains zinc chloride, which is very dangerous for animals. Please do not use Febreze anywhere near your pets! If you have used it near your pets or on their bedding, clean the bedding/area thoroughly to remove the Febreze, and move the animals away from the area. Please pass this information on to other pet owners/caretakers, before more animals are injured or killed, and find a safer method of odor control. Febreze: This product is marketed as something that removes odors without covering them up. However, there is a strong smell to it, but worse than that, Febreze contains zinc chloride. Many birds have already been killed after this product was used in any proximity to them whatsoever, and some dogs have also died. Other dogs have become ill without dying. This product is marketed as safe around animals, and people have sprayed their dogs' bedding to remove the doggy smell, only to discover later on that their dog became deathly ill from it. There is one dog who lost most of her hair after being accidentally sprayed with some Febreze, though this particular incident also had a second factor involved (diet change). The Febreze bottle, as of December, 1998, has a picture on the back of a dog, which leads some people to believe it's safe to use in their bedding. Guide's note: Febreze, a Procter & Gamble product not widely available in the U.S. until last year, is described by its manufacturer as a "one-step odor cleaning system [that] eliminates common odors such as pet, smoke, cooking, and musty smells." The email warnings about its alleged toxic threat to pets began circulating in January. Note that it refers to "multiple instances" of dogs and birds dying or becoming ill from exposure to the product, but cites no names, dates, or locations to permit verification of these incidents. According to the pet safety page posted by Febreze in response to the rumors, research indicates that the product, used according to directions, poses no serious health threat to pets. The ASPCA's National Animal Poison Control Center agrees. A veterinarian I spoke with there said that it has not been able to confirmany cases of Febreze causing the death or serious injury of pets. The Center has issued the following statement: Veterinary toxicologists at the ASPCA National Animal Poison Center are conducting an on-going investigation claims that use of Febreze in the home caused the death of several pets. All information reviewed to date suggests that there is no evidence that Febreze represents any risk to pets when used according to label instructions. Presently, the center considers the product safe to use in households with pets. As with any cleaning product, the center recommends that birds be removed from the room until the product application has dried and the area has been ventilated. Please call 1-800-345-4735 if you have any questions or have a pet that you suspect is experiencing problems or visit us at www.napcc.aspca.org ASPCA/NAPCC Letter Regarding Febreze The Center also told me that while zinc chloride (one of the ingredients in Febreze) can be toxic in large amounts, it comprises less than 1% of the formulation of the product and is not considered to be a hazard, contrary to allegations in the email warnings. Procter & Gamble says it began producing an improved Febreze formula in December 1998, which does not contain the chemical. All sources, including the Animal Poison Control Center, agree that birds are extraordinarily sensitive to household chemicals and perfumes, and special care should be taken around them with all such products. The Parrot avian health page warns: ...most avian specialists would advise bird owners to avoid exposing their companion birds to any strong chemicals, particularly aerosolized chemicals, due to the delicate nature of their lungs. If you use any sprays or scented products it is advisable that you remove birds from the environment until the smell has completely subsided (at least 2-3 hours). Two things to note: Febreze is not sold in the form of an aerosol spray it's a water-based pump spray; and while there have been consumer reports of bird injury or death blamed on Febreze, none have so far been authenticated. If you think this product has caused injury to your pet, call the Febreze Customer Service Line at 1-800-308-EASY(3279) or the National Animal Poison Control Center at 1-800-345-4735. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 2 I. 111 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 15:22:49 -0700 From: "Pamela Zimmerman" To: "David Collins" Thank you for the Fabreze warning - I have used it several times, and now am concerned about the use of it, not only around my pets, but my children as well! I really appreciate your sharing with us! Pamela Zimmerman Washington, NC %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: wagon pattern Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:32:52 -0400 From: "Valerie S. Miller" To: "David Collins" Hi Everyone, I've been spending some time looking at the basket pictures on David's website and I can't believe how talented all these weavers are. Whenever I need inspiration, I just look at the pictures and then I'm off to weave a new basket. Thanks for coordinating the swap Sue. I wove my swap basket this weekend and I'm looking forward to sending it out to someone special! Brenda Johnson - please tell me who designed and where I can get the pattern and wood base for the wagon full of bears in your picture. I must make one. Thanks. Valerie in Michigan's beautiful Upper Peninsula, where the spring peepers are only thinking about peeping! %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: To: Jim &Diane Langston/Di's Heavenly Treasures Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:48:58 -0400 From: jeffdeb@juno.com To: davidc@iei.net Hello Weavers: I'll try to keep my comments as short as possible. I feel that Pam Feix has been treated most unfairly. If you have ever visited her website, you will see that she gives credit to the pattern designers of the baskets she weaves. I would think that you would appreciate this as an advertisement to others weavers to purchase basket patterns from Di's. I have personally seen her basket weaving and know how particular and enthusiastic she is about weaving. She is a very compassionate and kind person and spends countless hours with weaving as both a hobby and a business. And, she is not an unethical person. She should be allowed to price her items as she chooses. If she can purchase good quality for lower prices, then she should be able to keep her costs down. I think it's only logical. She is an excellent weaver and deserves the right to own and operate her own business-just as some of you do. She should also have the right to purchase her supplies from whomever she chooses. I think the comments made by some as to Pam's abilities were uncalled for. I happen to know that she is a perfectionist when it comes to weaving. Perhaps the problem with everyone is that she has tapped into a cheaper source of supplies--and you can't blame her for that--and therefore, able to sell baskets at a lower price for the prices people are willing to pay in her area. If a weaver doesn't want their baskets woven by anyone else, then don't sell the patterns. I would think that Di's should be flattered that someone would want to make their baskets. Shame on those of you who are suggesting any type of infringement. Again, Pam gives credit to the authors of the patterns and it is her fingers that do the weaving--so what's the problem? As far as contacting them for permission to sell them--Is every pattern designer going to start asking for royalties now? I think the root of all of the pandemonium is that since Pam is seeking another source of wooden figures for "The Promise" basket, that the Langston's are just disappointed to lose the wooden animal business to someone else. Give Pam a break and stop casting stones. Debbie Camacho Massachusetts %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Di's Heavenly Treasures Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 00:12:56 -0500 From: "Kim" To: I was appalled at the post asking for a source for the animals used to make "The Promise." It is one thing to ask for a source, but quite another to blatantly state the company name and give 1000+ internet weavers the false impression that Di's Heavenly Treasures was overpriced. Some things just SHOULDN'T be said. Kim in MO %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Urban legends Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:22:57 +0000 From: Tony Stubblefield or Dean Meredith To: David Collins/Weavers Words Here is some information concerning the Febreze rumor currently circulating the internet, I pulled this off of the Mining Co. Urban Legends page, http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/library/blfebrez.htm?pid=2733&cob=home "...The email warnings about its [Febreze's] alleged toxic threat to pets began circulating in January. Note that it refers to "multiple instances" of dogs and birds dying or becoming ill from exposure to the product, but cites no names, dates, or locations to permit verification of these incidents. According to the pet safety page posted by Febreze in response to the rumors, research indicates that the product, used according to directions, poses no serious health threat to pets. The ASPCA's National Animal Poison Control Center agrees. A veterinarian I spoke with there said that it has not been able to confirm any cases of Febreze causing the death or serious injury of pets. The Center has issued the following statement: Veterinary toxicologists at the ASPCA National Animal Poison Center are conducting an on-going investigation into claims that use of Febreze in the home caused the death of several pets. All information reviewed to date suggests that there is no evidence that Febreze represents any risk to pets when used according to label instructions. Presently, the center considers the product safe to use in households with pets. As with any cleaning product, the center recommends that birds be removed from the room until the product application has dried and the area has been ventilated. Please call 1-800-345-4735 if you have any questions or have a pet that you suspect is experiencing problems or visit us at www.napcc.aspca.org ASPCA/NAPCC Letter Regarding Febreze The Center also told me that while zinc chloride (one of the ingredients in Febreze) can be toxic in large amounts, it comprises less than 1% of the formulation of the product and is not considered to be a hazard, contrary to allegations in the email warnings. Procter & Gamble says it began producing an improved Febreze formula in December 1998 which does not contain the chemical. ..." The Mining Co. Urban Legend site is a very informative and up to date source of information on all types of rumors, urban legends and hoaxes. I always check here first to see what the scoop is before I forward on any information of this type. It is just so easy to be taken in by these scams. Tony St. Louis %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 2 I. 111 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 07:40:04 -0500 From: tblack@iquest.net To: David Collins Comments on credit where credit is due: I've had several phone calls from basketmakers in the last few weeks wanting to know how I handled jurying baskets for a state convention if people submit other's patterns/works. Well... As a convention coordinator you attempt to select a jury panel with a wide variety of basketmaking experience in varying arenas. What usually happens is you get whatever volunteers you can. Hopefully across the experience base, your jurors have seen quite a bit of basketry. We first do a blind selection. No names involved. Baskets are judged purely by quality and price and class length. The second phase of jurying is where the names come on. We try to maximize the organization's benefit and also meet the teacher's needs. One teacher may say they need to teach 2 or 3 classes to be willing to commit to coming, and it's beneficial to us to pay a teacher full travel pay to come for more than one class, etc. Also, you also take into account class evaluations if they are available from a previous time. These types of considerations are what goes into the selection process. We also take note if baskets are chosen that appear to be from another designer (if known). We ask the teacher to be certain they have the permission of the original designer to teach it. The hard part of this is there are soooooo many baskets out there it's hard to know who made what first. As posed to me earlier this week; that's my basket. They are teaching it at a state level convention. Didn't ask my permission. When I am ready or interested in submitting at that level, people will think it's the other person's basket, not mine. There's a dilemma. We have also had people submit the same basket. You have to then decide who is the "designer". You'd rather have the teacher than the student, but you can't always know. Also, when people submit baskets you don't see a pattern, so you don't know if they give credit or at least an "inspired by". In summary - the best way to deal with this is to be completely honest and upfront at all times. Most people who aren't teaching their designs at a state level, probably would give someone else permission to teach their pattern at that level if they aren't interested in doing it themselves. They just want the recognition of having designed it. Same goes for having their baskets/patterns sold by a shop. They want recognition for the design and creativity that went into it. Usually if asked up front, people are very polite and in a way flattered that you like what they've done. But when weavers find out about it after the fact, discussions can be very cold, and we've had some cases where lawyers have gotten involved. As Mother always said, "Honesty is the best policy". Dollie's right - complaints don't help anyone now. Anytime during any convention or affair at a hotel or resort, if you are dissatisfied with any service you need to notify someone on the hotel staff or the group's event coordinator. They can usually rectify the situation or at least see that you are compensated in some manner the satisfies you. Complaining after the fact doesn't help the hotel learn about problems and it's too late to attempt to fix it. It's like ordering food at a restaurant, and not getting the right entree. You don't send it back, but complain about it to your dinner companion the entire evening, then don't tip the waiter. He doesn't know what he did wrong, only that you're a lousy tipper. Neither is right, but who would know? What to shave rims on? I either shave rims on my picnic table outside or on my cutting board if doing it in the house. The picnic table gets re-sanded every spring, so any nicks and scrapes go away. Indoors the cutting board works well because it is built for using cutting tools. I do have a cutting board dedicated to just reed use - no food. I apologize for the length, but I couldn't seem to help myself... Carolyn Black, in Greenwood, IN where it's grey and cloudy today, but still warm enough not to need a jacket. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 2 I. 111 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:03:01 -0400 From: Pamela Woodbury To: David Collins References: 1 Hi Weavers, Just got home from 3 days of teaching and having a great time. A small group of us hosted our first annual Basket Bash and in my humble opinion it was a great success. We're already planning for next years Bash. Of course it means a lot of new fresh ideas need to be thought up between now and next spring. I decided to buy a puppy a few months back who is now 9 months old. It was a decision I thought about for a long time cause we always had dogs when we had the kids but did I want to be bothered with a dog without kids. Well let me say after the greeting I received when I got home from being gone for 3 days I never felt so loved or missed by anyone or anything before. I told my husband he needed to work on his welcome homes because they were pathetic in comparison to the welcome I got from MY dog. In fact typing this is hard because I am still being welcomed the next morning. Diane is doing a wonderful job of defending herself but in support of Diane and Jim let me say they are two of the nicest people you are ever going to meet. Diane is so talented that I for one think it would be a shame if she ever got so fed up with basket weavers that she left the business. I and several others truly missed Diane and Jim at last years convention, but it is expensive to drive 1,000 miles to another state and vend only to have poor sales because your original ideas are being sold by others at a cheaper price. I remember when Diane's booth was so packed that you had to wait your turn to get in just to see what new ideas she had come up with in the past year. Diane was probably if not the original but one of the original weavers on wood bases. I remember almost 10 years ago her Little Drummer Boy and I had never seen a basket on a wood base other than a Nantucket when she first came out with it. Diane was my basket swap partner that year and that is the only basket I have ever swapped that I still have. I have several new ideas myself and am pretty much keeping them to myself. I make them for craft shows, sell them at small events like the Basket Bash and to a small group of friends, but to keep them my own I am not showing them to the masses of baskets weavers because I know as soon as I do I'll click on a site on the internet and there will be my idea with somebody else's name on it. I have actually seen people taking their first name and putting it in front of the original authors title and thinking that is now theirs because they changed the name by adding their name. Copying might be a true form of flattery, but if basketry is your business and your sales are cut by one third because of it, believe me you are not flattered. Basketry is not my life. I have a husband with a very good job or believe me I would have left the business many years ago for a "real" job. I think the Internet has been a wonderful source for the basketweavers who live in areas where there is no basket suppliers or conventions. The trouble is those of us who have been going to the conventions for years and years formed some sort of etiquette with each other. For the most part and I'm not saying all but we respected the rights of the other weavers and even if we did copy and sell we didn't do it at the same place the original designer was selling. With the Internet all the weavers who have never seen the original designs click on a site see a pattern, love it, buy it and think it belongs to the person selling it. I think etiquette as far as the Internet goes has been totally ignored. When I first came on the Internet I was all excited to find basketry until I clicked on a site and found somebody selling my Honey Pot as her own and didn't even have the decency to change the name. I e-mailed her having a fit and basically she told me she was doing it and tough if I didn't like it. After being on the Internet for 4 years and seeing this happen time and time again with so many different patterns and not just my own I just set back now and laugh. I have decided it somebody needs the money so bad as to just copy and sell as their own then they need it more than me, but like I said now I am stingy with my new ideas as are many basketry authors now. I agree with Diane there are lots of new ideas out there. Wouldn't it be a shame if you never see another new idea because the designer is afraid to share it. I have been told over and over there are no new ideas, but you know what I see new ideas all the time and I come up with new ideas so there are new ideas. I must say once I sell a pattern it is fair game for the person who bought it to sell the finished basket. I have gone to many a craft show and seen my original design being sold by someone usually cheaper than I am selling it but not always. If I didn't want that basket sold I shouldn't have sold the pattern. I make other peoples patterns and sell the finished baskets and feel I have every right to do so. I do however sell many more of my own designs just because it makes my things different from the others selling baskets. It is supposed to be only 40 degrees today in MI. It was 80 last Thursday. Oh the joys of MI weather. My husband and sons are at the last opening day ever at Tiger Stadium today. I was told I should be there, but I refused cause I hate to set outside in cold weather. I do have tickets however for the last game ever at Tiger Stadium next Sept. and have no choice but to go. Oh how us MI baseball fans will miss baseball at the corner. Pam Woodbury %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: RE: "Weavers Words" V. 2 I. 111 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:42:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Judith Richmond Spates To: davidc@iei.net Hi everyone! To Kay Harradine: Thanks for the information on Febreze. Consumers have to be so careful before using these new products. I sure hope there is a WARNING on the container. So many of you have written me letters about my new pattern notebook. It truly makes my day each time I receive one. I am so happy that you like it. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! Happy weaving. Judy Richmond Spates JSpates@hope.gordonc.edu %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Weaver's Words Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:07:56 -0400 From: "joym" To: Hi Everyone, I'm here in Maine longing for Spring! There's a hint of green in the grass. Can't wait for the lilacs & other spring flowers. OK. Here goes my opinion on the latest round of questions about copying. Those of us who've been on this (& the previous) list have been round the block on this. It will remain a topic of interest. First, let me say that I've worked in the legal system and later trained in a field which requires annual ethics training. The law is non-negotiable. Ethics and morals however are subjective. I do not support the Xeroxing (for example) of copyrighted patterns. That's illegal. And, while I think it's nice to acknowledge who may have been the original pattern writer of a particular basket, making & selling that basket is in no way limited unless the writer has also obtained a design patent to legally protect their interest. It may not seem "right" or "fair", but the fact is, basketry does NOT fall under the same protections as fine art. Utilitarian objects are NOT protected because they are seen as objects necessary to everyday use, & not generally unusual in design or function. If one of us has something that we believe is truly unique, we have the right to apply for a design patent. Even then, the protection for copying is limited. As far as price undercutting, I do think it's good business practice to check & see what the original designer/weaver is asking for their finished basket & it's "nice" not to undercut their price, but this may be tempered somewhat by where the individuals live. If you're in the same town or state, this is more of an issue. We should be pricing based on material costs, overhead, labor etc. I personally think that people who weave as a hobby should STILL factor in their time/labor, as failure to do this undermines the profession as a whole. Artist's slumps: I love to fill my studio with examples of basketry & I have things from other countries hung here & there. Lots of basketry books & patterns also provide inspiration. I think the most important thing is to have a "creative space", even if that's only a corner with a card table that you work on. Have it set up & ready. When I weave, I have to get up & go right to the studio (avoiding all other distractions), or at least go ASAP. Once you start to let all the "other stuff" "call" to you, the chances of your getting started are drastically reduced! Having lots of visual inspirations around your work area fan those creative flames. Getting too long! Better Come back again later.... Joy Sign of the Crow: http://www.signofthecrow.com. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Michigan Basket Bash Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:52:19 -0500 From: Wanda Baker To: davidc@iei.net Hi David, Thanks for sending me the last 2 issues of Weavers World. I really enjoyed them, but I was wondering if you could help me out. This past weekend I was at the Michigan Basket Bash, and had the most wonderful time. I met a lot of new people and made friends with quite a few. We had about 30 women with 6 instructors and it was a very informal weekend. Plus I learned a lot for just talking with other weavers. While I was there I met a woman that was wanting some sweet gun balls and she ask me to mail some to her, and of course I told her that I would because, as you probably know, Indiana has loads of sweet gun balls. Well, she forgot to leave her name with me and I was wondering if you might put this in the Weavers Words so that if she sees herself she might get in contact with me, or if someone remembers the conversation, they might know who she was. I am going to have to rake up these "darn" sweet gun balls soon and will be disposing of them in the garbage. I also want to thank you for all your time and energy you put into putting the Weavers Words together. It looks like an endless job to me, and I just wanted you to know that I appreciate it. I am not a new weaver, but I have only been in the Indiana Association for 2 years now, and I hope to keep learning. Thanks again David for all you do in keeping the "Weavers Words" going. Wanda Baker, Central Indiana %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Di & Pam Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:54:43 -0400 From: "Jane A. Wilson" To: "David Collins" RE: the Di - Pam controversy I have met and done business with Di, and I was impressed both by her baskets and by what a nice person she is. Her basket, The Promise, does not appeal to me because I am not particularly religious. One reason for my belief may be found in this very controversy-- a heavenly treasure, the Noah's arc basket, is undercut so all the Christians out there can get something CHEAP. I think the whole deal cheapens us basket weavers. Pam would you, like Judas, sell your soul to feed your habit? Lets get back to helping each other with constructive topics. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 2 I. 111 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:55:00 -0700 From: "Denise Beck" To: "David Collins" >>>Denise, I would love to see Alastair's willow groves and boiler made from the fuel tank, I am looking forward to it... Mary, I didn't get around to his willow groves -- they are in a different location than his studio and we got so busy with weaving that I never left the premises. But I do have some shots of Alastair and his studio and baskets (unless I've recorded over them, which is a distinct possibility) and perhaps David will give Alastair his own section on WW web site if I send them along. Meanwhile, I wove a wastebasket with leftover willow from the garden skep that I cleaved into three rough skeins and will send a photo with this reply. There's a shot of the weaver's hand in one..... >>>Not to mention my old friend Kharma. What goes around, comes around. Don't worry, we all get what is coming to us, hopefully you will get a good night's sleep now you've gotten all that off your chest. Thanks, Anne, for the basket zen lesson. I wholeheartedly agree. All the kerfuffle about stealing basket patterns is making me think twice about posting any of mine, minimal as they are. I'm not selling my work but may want to, some day. I don't know, I think that a basket made by ME is a basket made by me, no matter what pattern I use. And the buyer buys it because they like my work, or don't buy it because they like someone elses' work better. Just because a thing is priced higher doesn't necessarily mean that the buyer will automatically go for the cheaper one. Often I use price as a guage of quality. I equate the cheaper items with inferior quality, especially if there are two items similar in appearance that have quite different prices. I know this doesn't always mean the higher priced one is better, but it is a starting point for me to judge. So I don't know if it's worth getting upset over. I do believe that if one of us uses someone elses' pattern, that should be acknowledged, at the very least. A royalty payment would be nice, too. That's what we do in the songwriting and music business, the creator not only gets credit, they get a usage fee. It's really the only way to make a living at art, unless you're Picasso. And even high-priced artists don't get any further fee after that first sale, which I also believe is wrong. Like a songwriter, they should get a royalty/percentage every time their work is re-sold. That's just me. P.S. - David, don't feel that you are obliged to post ALL of the basket pics I send you, you can choose the ones you feel are most appropriate. I know they use a lot of storage space, all those little pixels! Thanks for all your work on the behalf of basket weavers everywhere. Denise McCann Beck Coastal British Columbia USDA zone 7 Sunset Zone 4 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: recent dispute Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:42:24 -0400 From: "Gail Caron" To: "David Collins" Hi David and fellow weavers: I haven't had time to do much more than scan quickly through WW for the past several weeks, so I am way behind in my replies as well as my personal emails. First, I would like to belatedly thank all who replied to my question about dying cane. I have dyed the material, but ended up making my basket out of flat reed. I will try the cane when I am not under a deadline. Now to the ongoing dispute concerning "copying" baskets and selling at a lower price than the original designer. I have not been paying enough attention to the situation to take either party's side, but I am a little confused. When you sell a pattern isn't it for the express purpose of having the pattern buyers recreate your basket? How does that constitute "copying"? My definition of copying would be someone who sees your basket or a picture of it and then attempts to make it without the benefit of your pattern. I am largely a self-taught weaver (since I hardly ever make it up to Mary Carty's shop these days) and have purchased quite a few patterns to learn techniques and, yes, to make a basket identical to one which attracted me enough to buy the pattern. I have never felt that I was copying, merely following the designer's instructions which explained the creation of that basket. Am I copying, and by implication lying and cheating, when I follow directions to knit a sweater, use a McCalls pattern, or follow a recipe? I don't think so. The whole purpose of the pattern is to share an idea and allow others to make the same item. If someone doesnt want their design public, then I would assume they would not publish and sell a pattern for it. I do not know the specifics of the materials for the basket, which started the discussion, but I have bought (and not yet used) several patterns which require wooden bases. Nowhere in the pattern is it stated that I am required to purchase the wooden base from the original designer. Is it wrong to purchase wooden bases from another supplier? Further, I have never seen a "manufacturers suggested retail price" listed on any pattern which I have read. I do not see how the pattern writer can set the price which those who purchase their patterns and make the basket to sell must charge. Huge corporations exist in this country whose purpose is to sell for less than others including the original manufacturer. I have not sold many baskets yet, but am considering trying to market some creations in order to support my supply costs. Maybe I am just not aware of some unwritten rule that I am not supposed to make a basket based on someone else's pattern and then sell it. One of the baskets that I have sold was made from Lisha Kimball's Quilters Basket pattern. I have no idea what Lisha's price for the finished basket is, but I set my own price based on what the local market will bear. I don't feel that that was wrong if the price was lower than hers. I also do not feel that I copied or stole her design since she sold me the pattern of her own free will. (By the way, when I put a tag on the basket, I identified it as Lisha Kimball's design hand-woven by me.) Perhaps some other pattern writers would shed some light on this situation. I am not intending to fan the flames here, although WW is much more interesting when a controversy is brewing. Gail Caron in southern NJ where I do not have a single basket made to put in Mary Carty's basket exhibit %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Subject: new to Weavers Words... Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:33:53 -0400 From: "Jennifer Mulcare-Sullivan" To: Hello everyone! I'm new to Weaver Words & just wanted to say Hi & introduce myself. I'm 29 (soon to be 30), a newer weaver (just under a year) and Mum of 2 cherubs under age 3. I've enjoyed reading your posts ..... I have a question....What is an "L" basket???? Also, is anybody going to the 1999 Stowe Basketry Festival this May? I'm going w/ 2 friends & cannot wait!! I'm even entering a basket (a large octagonal ) into the student show -- per my instructor's suggestion! Take care, Jennifer %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% If for any you would ever like to cancel your subscription, simply send me a message with "unsubscribe" as your subject.