"Weavers Words" Vol. 1 Iss. 45 Compiled By David Collins Owned By Weavers Everywhere Date Sent September 09, 1997 Subscribers 302 Back Issues http//www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/5998/ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Hi Everyone, First, I would like to welcome the 300th member of our family, Ms. Joan Belles. Now, Lets set up a chat time of 9:00 P.M. EST at http://www.weaversstain.com/. Here is some time zone information. Standard Daylight Savings Time Time Atlantic-----ATL Eastern------EST--------------EDT Central------CST--------------CDT Mountain-----MST--------------MDT Pacific------PST--------------PDT Alaska Hawaii Standard time: ATL EST CST MST PST ALA HAW 10P 9P 8P 7P 6P 5P 4P Daylight savings time: EDT CDT MDT PDT 10P 9P 8P 7P --------------------------------------------- Now here is some fun chat information (Kind of lengthy). AFAIK --- As Far As I Know AFK --- Away From Keyboard ASAP --- As Soon As Possible ATCON --- Answer The Call Of Nature BBL --- Be Back Later BBN --- Bye Bye Now BBS --- Be Back Soon BEG --- Big Evil Grin BF --- Boy Friend "boot" --- term for computer stall or termination BRB --- Be Right Back BTW --- By The Way BWL --- Bursting With Laughter C&G --- Chuckle and Grin CID --- Crying In Disgrace CNP... --- Continued in Next Post CP --- Chat Post CSG --- Chuckle Snicker Grin CYA --- See Ya CYAL8R --- See You Later DLTBBB --- Don't Let The Bed Bugs Bite EG --- Evil Grin EMSG --- Email Message FCOL --- For Crying Out Loud FYI --- For Your Information GF --- Girl Friend GFN --- Gone For Now GMBO --- Giggling My Butt Off GMTA --- Great Minds Think Alike GOACBI --- Go Out And Come Back In GTSY --- Glad To See You H&K --- Hug and Kiss HABU --- Have A Better 'Un HAGN --- Have A Good Night HAGU --- Have A Good 'Un HHIS --- Hanging Head in Shame IBRBIGG --- It's Been Real But I Gotta Go. IC --- I See IGP --- I Gotta Pee IMO --- In My Opinion IMHO --- In My Humble Opinion IMNSHO --- In My Not So Humble Opinion IRL --- In Real Life IWALU --- I Will Always Love You JMO --- Just My Opinion JTLYK --- Just To Let You Know KIT --- Keep In Touch KOC --- Kiss On Cheek KOL --- Kiss On Lips L8R --- Later L8RG8R --- Later 'Gater LHM --- Lord Help Me LHO --- Laughing Head Off LHU --- Lord Help Us LOL --- Laugh Out Loud LSHMBB --- Laughing So Hard My Belly is Bouncing LSHMBH --- Laughing So Hard My Belly Hurts LTNS --- Long Time No See LTS --- Laughing To Self LUWAMH --- Love You With All My Heart LY --- Love Ya MDCKC --- My Damn Computer Keeps Crashing OIC --- Oh, I See OL --- Old Lady (wife, girlfriend) OM --- Old Man (husband, boyfriend) OTTOMH --- Off The Top of My Head PDS --- Please Don't Shoot PM --- Private Message PMFJI --- Pardon Me For Jumping In PMP --- Peed My Pants POAHF --- Put On A Happy Face QT --- Cutie ROFL --- Rolling On Floor Laughing ROFLAPMP --- ...And Peeing My Pants ROTFLCMEOASTC --- Rolling On The Floor Laughing Crying My Eyes Off And Scaring The Cat ROFLMAOWTIME --- ...With Tears In My Eyes ROFLUTS --- ...Unable to Speak RTSM --- Read The Stupid Manual! SETE --- Smiling Ear To Ear SHID --- Slaps Head In Disgust SLTT --- Stuff Like That There SO --- Significant Other SWAK --- Sealed With A Kiss SWL --- Screaming with Laughter SYS --- See You Soon TA --- Thanks Again TAGRI --- These Abbreviations Get Really Irritating TIA --- Thanks In Advance TOY --- Thinking Of You TTFN --- Ta Ta For Now TTYL --- Talk To You Later WB --- Welcome Back WTG --- Way To Go WTH --- What/Who The Heck YBS --- You'll Be Sorry YG --- Young Gentleman YL --- Young Lady YM --- Young Man *g* --- Giggle *H* --- Hug *K* --- Kiss *VBG* --- Very Big Grin *VEG* --- Very Evil Grin *W* --- Wink Take Care, David, davidc@iei.net @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Subject: Apology Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 19:41:39 -0400 From: "Kim Renich" To: David, Thank you for explaining what happened to my post. You are are right, there are conspiracies out there and I felt like this might be yet another. The very same editing had happened on another post, in a recent digest concerning the same subject, submitted by a different person. I hope you understand why I felt my post had intentionally been edited. I am sincerely sorry for assuming the worst. Please accept my apologies, I was wrong. Kim @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Ms. Renich, Your apology is accepted. It's water under the bridge. Sorry for the confusion. Take Care, David @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Subject: one more time Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 18:13:03 -1000 From: The Keener Clan To: davidc@iei.net Aloha, The trades are blowing, the temp has dropped--it*s comfy once again in Hawaii. I think summer is gone (but not the tourists). I*d written a really long letter regarding pattern errors and meant to send it after I returned from Girl Scout training today, but found a Weavers Words awaiting......so I thought why not condense it and get to the point. So here it is: If you are making money from your product/patterns, you are a professional. And if you are a professional, you need to put out a professional product/pattern. You are judged by the quality of your work. If your pattern contains typos, a lack of dimensions, or an outright mistake, you no longer look like a professional, but an amateur. If I, the consumer, am paying my hard earned basket dollars for your product, you*d better believe I deserve your best. The best publicity for your pattern is the word of a satisfied weaver. Give me a good pattern that you*ve taken the time to proof read--that you*ve taken the time to print the dimensions--that you*ve had tested by a non-biased party--and I will praise your abilities and your pattern to the limits. I*m teaching 4 full classes of eager basket makers each week--weavers who want to buy new patterns they can understand. I won*t suggest the pattern that has mistakes--the pattern that says "weave 13 rows of start and stop weaving" and the pattern writer wants me to look at her picture to tell what SIZE to use--the pattern that says "use a medium push-in handle)--I owe my students more than that. And if you aren*t worried about losing a few dollars you may have earned from my students, just remember, I*m not the only teacher/weaver who feels this way. And as for the basket with the wreath....the reason the letter was returned to Kim could have been because the pattern writer passed away from a most unexpected heart attack earlier this year. David, again, thank you for this site. You are one neat guy. aloha nui loa, Lois Honolulu @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 1 I. 44 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 17:15:21 +0900 From: SMSgt Vic & Darleena Jones Organization: USAF, Okinawa, Japan To: davidc@iei.net References: 1 Dear David and fellow weavers, I'm not writing to talk about pattern typos or buckeyes, although I do get frustrated with typos but love the look of the buckeye. And I trust David to do whatever he wants with my postings. Is everyone getting ready for the craft/art show/fair season? I'm working like mad and my classes are getting full. I don't know which I like doing more... sharing basket techniques or having someone enjoy my crafts. I'm trying to stay organized and keep the supplies coming in and classes moving smoothly... oh yeah, and keep up with my family of 4 men, my baby is turning 12. Now, don't you know that the military wants us to move into a renovated house 4 houses down the street. So now I start whining about moving my house right in the middle of craft season and moving to a house with less storage by two closets. Since my husband agrees with me and I need more sympathy I whine to my fellow weavers. We did expect to move but the original schedule as of July was set for January... now it's October! I'm moving my classes around but of course I dare not ask the craft shows to wait for me (tongue in cheek). I wonder just how many junk drawers I need to go through or should I have them dumped into one box mixing the mess together. Then I could sell grab bags at the flea market. The stuff I stash to use at another time! I think I actually intend to use it in another life and should store it where I can find it when I come back... Ah! Another subject to query! Well, I should get back to my work. Which should I do first? Housework, Spouses Club volunteering, Boy Scout stuff, crafting, cooking, basket weaving, calling friends? Actually, I did the Weavers Words first and I need to line up the rest of my activities. My boys are scattered, husband is golfing. Maybe it's time to pick up the house enough to make it livable, defrost something and start weaving since I have 3 classes this week and I need to make the sample baskets for 2 of them. Thanks for listening! I feel better already but still whining. Happy weaving. Darleena from Okinawa @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Subject: Spelling Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 20:46:43 -0400 (EDT) From: JSarge8230@aol.com To: davidc@iei.net Hi David Please feel free to correct my spelling. I am new at the keyboard and the computer. I guess I cannot access the stain chat group. I have Windows 95 but don't know anything about Java. Maybe someone can help me. I just finished weaving 3 pie baskets for Christmas only 4 to go. I look forward to the basket group. JSARGE @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Subject: "WORDS" Date: 08 SEP 97 02:24:50 EST From: PAT STEINMETZ To: Let me see if I have this right. For the past few issues we have been complaining about poorly written patterns and typos. Then, in the last issue, we find out that David has been doing his best to eliminate typos from "Weavers Words". Now we are upset because he has been correcting our spelling. Does anyone else see the irony in all of this? We hate mistakes, but we don't want anyone correcting those mistakes. David, I can't believe you had to apologize for trying to do a good job. I had some other comments I wanted to make, but they will have to wait until I have my dictionary handy. Pat (perplexed and confused) in Indy @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V. 1 I. 44 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 10:04:34 -0500 From: Lora L Khoury To: davidc@iei.net I've got to tell my mother about the poison half of the buckeye. She's been carrying one in her purse since she was a small child. It was given to her by my grandmother as a good luck charm! How lucky could it be if one half is poison? Lora Khoury @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Subject: "Weaver's Words" Vol. 43 and 44 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:38:40 -0400 From: "Denise Smallidge" To: Dear David, I wanted to respond to several letters sent in to Weavers Words about pattern writing. I agree with Cheri Branca about bad patterns. I have looked at both sides of this discussion, listening to Kim Renich, Judy Olney and L. Khoury and Pam Woodbury views and remarks. I believe that alot of what Cheri was trying to get across to pattern writers was to just take the time to re-read your work, make the proper measurements on the materials required to make the basket. It doesnt take long to do that. There are alot of basket patterns out there now that have NOT been tested but put on the market and sold as is.....i think we all know that. Little typos in the words. As far as that goes, if you are typing your pattern on your computer, dont you have a spell checker? Give the pattern to more than one one person to check, that way if there are typos it is possible one of the two people will catch them. These pattern are not long drawn out things. It is a very simple process to double check and check again. I over look little things like misspelled words BUT what i dont overlook is the obvious mistakes of using the wrong "feet" on a basket because the pattern called for one size and it turns out to be a different size....how long does it take to measure a basket foot? Kim, i honestly would have returned 48 basket feet if I could not have used them. These are the kinds of things we should'nt have to overlook. The point I am trying to make is this, take the time to check for mistakes on your patterns and measure your materials properly before you list them. Beginners buy the supplies by what is listed on the pattern. Can you imagine how frustrating it is for them to try a pattern only to find out they have PAID to be aggrevated?? I dont think anyone said that pattern writers intentionally set out to confuse or confound us. Just check your work and have the pattern tested by more than one person and that would help eliminate mistakes. People pay money for patterns to enjoy them not to be confused by them. And Kim, try not to be so defensive and angry. Your personal attack on David was uncalled for in my opinion and I am not flaming. I dont think anyone is out to trash your comments on WW. So be happy and great weaving ahead..... Sincerely, Denise in Lakeland @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Subject: Weavers Words Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:06:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Charweav@aol.com To: davidc@iei.net David, I would like to subscribe to Weavers Words. A friend (Thanks Sharon Peto!) gave me her copies to read and it is very informative. My name is Char Ciammaichella from Aurora Ohio. I weave mostly reed baskets of any type. I used to do more shows but have slowed down, due to 3 teenage boys. I am the President of our local guild Wildwood Basketry Guild. We sponsor our convention "Winter Weave" every February. This next one is Feb. 20-23. Anyone wanting brochures can email me Charweav@aol.com. Brochures will be ready next week. Thank You David. The list is great. Char Ciammaichella Aurora, Ohio @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Subject: patterns & question Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 10:10:51 -0700 From: Ralph/Annetta Kraayeveld To: "davidc@iei.net" dear weavers, After an extended vacation I am caught up on reading my weavers words (as well as the laundry and first class mail). So I thought I would send a note and comment on the latest discussion. Re: Patterns. I thought everyone has made some very good points we can learn from. Personally I do not find 'typos' a big deal. They are just mistakes that were over looked. We all make them, its the reality of humanity. I do, however, agree that it is very frustrating to order a pattern that is incomplete, or very poorly written. If a color photo is included, that can solve a mutitude of problems, but it is still irritating. When it comes to solutions, I am still a firm believer in the free market so I usually let my wallet talk. If I like a author's patterns, I will buy them. If they are not well written, one is all I will purchase. AND, because I have some very libertarian views on regulations, the thought of having a clearing/publishing house to proof read patterns is nauseating to me (Besides, I am never thrilled to pay the middle man, more cost to the consumer, less profit for the author and less freedom for all.) So if a pattern is in great need of correction, I think, much like so many letters have already stated, that it is our responsibility to contact the author of the pattern with our questions and constructive criticisms. If the author is worth his/her salt you will get a pleasant response, help in your weaving and they will have gained insight on how to improve their work. Everybody wins. Basically I overlook a lot of faults in the world, I figure we all do. (I overlook my own quickest and most completely!) I figure we should approach basket patterns in much the same way. A forum like this is a wonderful way to help each other both read and write patterns better. I'd like to see this discussion veer in the direction of what types of things do you find most helpful in a pattern. I believe we also talked for a while on what WE think SHOULD be included in a good pattern (maybe that was on Shirley's list) Conversations like that are constructive for all of us. And now I'll get off my economic/opinionated soap box............. David THANK YOU for running a spell check on our letters. Your extra time makes us all look more polished and professional than we are. God Bless, and I hope you are doing well this week. And now a question: I am wondering if there are sources for plastic basket liners besides from longeberger? Do any of you have a source for me? I'd like to make some baskets for serving... annetta Beloit, WI -- He who works with his hands is a laborer. He who works with his hands, and his head, is a craftsman. He who works with his hands, and his head, and his heart, is an artist. St. Francis of Assisi @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" V.11.44 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:32:44 -0400 From: "Angie" To: Hi, I wanted to respond to JSarge. My family and I took a weaving with natural materials 2 day class at Hawk Mt. (a bird sanctuary). The instructors came from down south. They brought Wisteria and Kudzu (among other materials). We wove egg style baskets one day and free form the next. We all used the Kudzu to weave the God's Eye on the egg baskets. It's very flexible! It does shrink when it dries, so extra care needs to be taken to weave very tightly. It was alot of fun. If you have acess to Kudzu, try it. Bye, Angie, PA @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Subject: Introduction Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 11:41:52 -0700 From: L Prevost Reply-To: L-C-PREVOST@svr1.iei.net Organization: N/A To: davidc@iei.net Hello Fellow Weavers! It is so wonderful to be a part of this great list that David works so hard on. I participated in Shirley`s list and was so sorry to see it go. My husband, son and I recently moved to Redmond, WA after living 3 years in Hawaii. Quite a change! We are enjoying it so much, with the beautiful scenery, friendly people and nice cool weather. I have started making baskets again, now that we`re settled. I`m enjoying making baskets for myself rather than baskets to sell. :) To Lori Hopkins: In Hawaii, all my wire handles rusted. So, I began coating them as soon as I received them from my supplier. I used either a clear spray varnish or black Rustoleum in a spray (my favorite). They make the handles look great and you never have to worry about rust again. On those handles that already had some rust, I used some WD-40 on a paper towel and that took it right off. Happy Weaving, Caroline Prevost Redmond, WA @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Subject: Weavers Words Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 15:18:00 -0500 From: MKoch@netride.com To: davidc@iei.net Chivalry is dead, but, unfortunately, rudeness is alive and well. Kim, I know David personally, and know that he would never intentionally treat anyone unfairly. What ever happened to, "when in doubt...ask, not accuse or insinuate" or giving someone the "benefit of the doubt" until you ask and find out. In addition, David has just undergone major surgery and is presently recovering, and I am sure this added frustration is not helpful. Knowing David, I am sure this was embarrassing for him. Possibly in the future if you feel the need to unfairly point the finger, a Personal email would do. I think an apology is in order!!!????? David, I want to personally Thank You for all the hard work you have done. I don't chat much, but, very much enjoy reading these digests. This is a very giving and sharing group of weavers. Kim, I do agree with your pattern comments. Thanks again David, Mark Koch @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Subject: Weavers Words Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 13:44:48 -0600 From: ANDREA & TOM OKEEFE Organization: SAVANNAH HOUSE To: davidc@iei.net, coltsfan@usa.net Molly, Congrats on your blue ribbon. You should be very proud indeed. Judith Olney, Thanks for the advice on sharpening my draw knife. I took your instructions with me to have it done and it turned out just fine. Andrea Palm Island, FL @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Subject: Re: Weaver's Words subscribers Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:47:58 -0400 (EDT) From: BasktWeavr@aol.com To: davidc@iei.net Hi David, I would love to be able to chat but did not catch anyone Mon. night. Is there going to be a regular time to chat? If you write us again could you put EST or CST? I think we are on the same time but I am not sure. I live in Owensboro KY and am on CST. If there were a regular day and time I think it would help to get things going. When I was in another chat group, we used to chat every night around 7:00 CST ---- some were late and some missed a night or 2 or 3 but at least we knew whne we could count on others being there and if no one was there when we first got there we would keep checking back every few minutes. I hope to chat with someone soon but I never know if I will get to chat or not. Good luck and good health. BasktWeavr aka Lisa Boyens @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ If for any you would ever like to cancel your subscription, simply send me a message with "unsubscribe" as your subject.