"Weavers Words" Vol. 1 Iss. 23 Compiled By David Collins Owned By Weavers Everywhere Date Sent: June 25, 1997 Subscribers: 226 Back Issues: http://www.iei.net/~davidc/basketry.html @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Subject: Chat Room Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 12:53:45 -0400 From: "Kim Renich" To: Hi Weavers, To answer Donna Meinert's question about the chat room on Saturday nights, the Baskets Etc site has instructions on how to get there. You have to read FAST because the "chat" comes up quick and doesn't backtrack! If you go to the craftmall, there are several interesting topics you can browse through, including basketry (although I haven't found that one as interesting) There's cross-stitch, rubber stamping, sewing, scrap booking, lots of things! Check it out at http://www.craftmall.com Kim Goldsboro, NC @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Subject: "Weavers Words" Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 15:24:38 -0400 From: "Jayna L. Glemby" To: davidc@iei.net Re: what do we call ourselves. Roberts definition focusing on those who make their materials.tree to basket...and those of us who buy materials was very interesting. Lora Khoury's answer was also knowledgeable and interesting. Our digest is called "Weaver's Words", which may be a 3rd. opinion. Myself, I usually think "basket maker" because weaver seems to bring to mind someone at a loom, even though we do weave our materials. No matter what, it seems we are all basket cases, and that's what counts, nutty about baskets and willing to share with our friends! Jayna in hot, central Massachusetts. @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Subject: labels Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 10:20:57 -1000 From: The Keener Clan To: davidc@iei.net Aloha from damp, windy Honolulu, I know that I am like the other 200 plus subscribers who look forward to their "Weaver*s Words" and I know we all appreciate what David has done for us. However, I*ve been seeing some things lately that trouble me and I wonder if I am the only one. When someone makes a comment about craft fairs--and doing ones more inclined to art and the organizers won*t allow a basket full of $10 small baskets, I wonder within myself why this needs to be said. To those of us (well, me, I suppose--I don*t want to speak for anyone else) who do country type fairs with lots of tole and baskets and wooden items and quilts (and maybe this is art only to the "artists" who create these treasures), these remarks, perhaps not intended to be, are kind of hurtful. We are all basketmakers--weaving with so many different materials and creating so many treasures--so could we all please avoid remarks that might cause pain to another? I remember reading on Shirley*s list comments about teaching--that no one could teach a basket in 3-4 hours unless the instructor does most of the weaving herself----and I wonder why some basketmakers speak in absolutes. Granted, some instructors can*t do this, but some of us can, without doing all the weaving, as my Thursday night group will tell you. So, please, this "still living in the 60*s/pacifist/feminist" asks--let us be kind to one another. ..and another thing. I AM A BASKETMAKER. When I go to my local Borders Books and head for the craft section, books in the "weaving" section deal with fabric. Books in the basket section deal with basketmaking. If I take that coil of raw reed and I cut it, dye it, create with it, stain it and maybe paint on it, I have MADE that basket. When someone asks "do you have a job?" I tell them, yes, I do--besides being a mom, spouse, and homemaker, I am a basketmaker. I say that with a lot of pride. So I ask, just as nicely as I can, can we not make comments that may offend one another and can we not label ourselves and each other. There is far too much of that going on today without bringing it to our list. Aloha nui loa, Lois @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Subject: weavers list Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 20:24:45 -0400 From: Carol Ross To: davidc@iei.net Hi from Carol Ross, honeysuckle basketmaker from Glenville, WV. I sure am glad to see the list back. I really did miss having it. I wanted to share some information that I received on another list that I thought might interest some of you. Sure wish I could go. By the way, the NTFP they talk about means "non-timber forestry products". Northwest Native American Basketweavers Association presents: Weaving: Yesterday's Tradition, Tomorrow's Heritage 3rd Annual NW Native American Basketweavers Gathering Yakama Nation Cultural Heritage Center Toppenish, Washington, USA - - distinguished weavers will be on hand to showcase their work - - opportunities for weavers, resource managers, and entrepreneurs to discuss issues that affect the promotion and preservation of Northwest Indigenous basketry - -panels on basketry topics - -weaving demonstrations (NTFP materials often used) Contact: Northwest Native American Basketweavers 8635 Zangle Road Olympia, WA 98506 @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Subject: Digging Through The Pile Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 23:36:08 -0400 (EDT) From: DKallner@aol.com To: davidc@iei.net This time of year our business is running at high speed (we sell canoes, kayaks and paddling accessories), so my pile of Weavers Words printouts of Weavers Words has been piling up. It's late, but I hope it's not too late to pick up the thread of past cyber-conversations. A while back, Dorothy McGuinness mentioned she took a fixed knot netting class from Shuna Rendel at Basketry Focus in Ontario. Rae Gillot in the UK also mentioned she had done some workshops with Shuna, who has done a lot of research on the subject of knotting and netting. Could either of you or anyone else share more information on this subject -- what you made, what materials you used, books on the subject, history, etc. I've done both knotless and knotted netting as well as some traditional open netting (like for hammocks) and am fascinated with the technique. I'm interested in learning more ways to use netting with the gourd vessels I make, as well as other uses. I'm really intrigued with the historical use of netting in garments as well as functional objects. Any chance that Shuna has written a book, or that she will be in the U.S. to teach in the next year or so? Or could anyone tell me how to contact her directly? The pile has been stacking up since before Shirley's list ended, but back then there was some exchange about basketmakers who were retired from health care professions. One of the reasons I wanted to go through the pile was to remember who was part of that exchange. I found messages from Joy Moody and Kathi Calvert, there may have been others. Just wanted to know if you had seen the classifieds in the latest issue (Summer 97) of Fiberarts. I don't know if this is a non-profit or for-profit organization, a get rich quick scheme, or just what it sounds like, but I was intrigued. It's a "call for members" from The Organization for Artists Trained in Health Care (OATH), and asked for "statements about the media you work in and its themes, and about any links you may experience between health work and art work." Does anyone know anything about this organization? Just a quick thanks to everyone for all the great information I found in the pile. You're all terrific! And smart, resourceful, creative..... Donna Kallner White Lake, Wisconsin @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Subject: Patterns Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 21:52:22 -0700 From: "Susan Cochran" To: Does anyone know where I can find a pattern to weave an arrow quiver? I've tried it a couple of times on my own, but wasn't satisfied with the result @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Subject: iris /daylily leaves Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 06:59:25 -0500 From: monast@iquest.net To: davidc@iei.net Several years ago at convention it seems Cass S. had a birdhouse with daylily leaves for the roof. It was recommended to harvest the bunches of leaves BEFORE THEY START DYING BACK. HARVEST THEM GREEN. Bundle them and hang in a ventilated darkish room. ( As you would do everlastings) Or place them on a screen-horizontally- and stir every couple of days. A group of us followed the procedure at home and it worked. The leaves needed to be wet and mellowed to use. It would seem iris leaves should be handled similarly. We also used corn husk from Indian Corn with streaks of reds and purples. They were already dried from on the stalk. We wet and mellowed them a little. This was even better than the daylily leaves as a watershed on the birdhouses. Corn husk have a kind of waxy substance about them that keep them from being as brittle as other leaves. Hope this helps. Kristin Monastyrski from hot and humid Indiana @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Subject: Re: "Weavers Words" Vol. 1 Iss. 22 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 15:48:38 -0400 From: "drpain@net-gate.com" To: davidc@iei.net References: 1 Hi, I just have a quick question for Robert Haygens. I guess you would call me a basket maker/weaver? I don't know if it bothered anyone else, but I wish we would not label people. Does it really matter if a person makes their own handles, splints, I don't think so. Pattern users or non pattern users. We all love basket making and that is all that matters. My two cents take or leave it. Please no flames. Mary Carty South Jersey Piney http://www.imagegfx.com/users/pinelands/ Baskets & Dulcimers @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Subject: From Cris at The NorEsta Cane & Reed Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:32:12 -0400 From: Esther Grigsby <"egrigsby@accn.org"@accn.org> To: davidc@iei.net Hello everyone. Someone inquired on the previous about the Chat for Basketweavers. The address for that is www.craftmall.com. When you get to the mall, go to "Forums" and then press "Crafter's Chat". Scroll down until you get to a big box. Wait a moment until the box fills in. Sometimes this takes a few seconds. Then enter your name or pseudonym and press "O.K. Connect". You're on. There have been 6 - 9 basketmakers most every Saturday night on this Chat page, from 9:00 pm EST until whenever. Lot's of fun. See you there! Cris P>S> David Collis: Thank you for responding to my question by sharing a little bit about who you are. That is interesting - especially the fire thing. Thanks again for doing this list. @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Subject: Weaver's Words Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 20:56:30 -0400 From: "Joy Moody" To: Hi Everyone. We are having such glorious weather here in Maine!I have been out in the barn studio most every day weav'n up a storm. Which brings me to Pat's question "weaver" vs. "basketmaker". I personally prefer "basketmaker" but when I use "weaver" I generally specify "basket weaver". Certainly, any art or craft can be brought to another level when the artist or craftsperson works from scratch, but I'm not sure the distinctions are necessary. Both ways of working grow out of the innate urge to create, which I believe we all possess. Is a painter less of a painter if s/he doesn't grind their own pigment? Should we call those folks "dabblers" vs. "painters" or some such thing? As with any art or craft, we will always see a range of skill & expertise. To me, that observable "range" is part of what calls me to continue to improve and fine tune what I do. As far as the question on where gourds fit into basketry: I think creativity is boundless. I get all sorts of creative visualizations which ask to be manifested! If someone "sees" a creative form of a basket coming from a gourd, why not? A pottery base? Why not? A woven top to a walnut shell to be used as a Christmas tree decoration? Why not! We don't have to lock ourselves into little cubby holes of neatly labeled "careers". Lynn: Thanks for the Willowe's site reference. Great find! Ann: Thanks for the gourds site reference. Fun! I have a list of "good Web sites" my niece sent to me. After I check them out I'll let you know if there are any you might like to explore. Joy Moody Sign of the Crow Hampden, Maine @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Subject: outdoor shows Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 08:39:11 -0500 From: monast@iquest.net To: davidc@iei.net Just a quick question for discussion. What is the acceptable protocol when bad weather interrupts an outdoor show. Of course I don't mean severe weather, or just a sprinkle. what if a slow rain moves in? Are you obligated to yourself or to the promoter. You've paid the promoter, but your lack of being there diminishes the show - so does the rain. Just wondering? Kristin Monastyrski in Indiana @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Subject: Subscribe Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 09:55:44 -0500 From: jajesper To: David Collins I have been enjoying the digests on your web site and would like to subscribe to the Weaver's Words. Will look forward to receiving the digest and also extend my thanks for your interest in maintaining this group. I enjoy reading all of the information and feel like I have many friends already, even tho I know you by name only. Last week-end I enjoyed a visit to the shop of Marlys Sowers near Indianola, Iowa. She makes willow baskets and maintains her own willow supply with over 10 different types of willow home grown. It was a really neat visit! She does a demonstration during the Iowa State Fair if any of you get there. Looking forward to reading the list and getting in more weaving time this summer. Thanks again. Kathleen Jespersen Rock Valley, Iowa @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Subject: subcribe and HELLO Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 20:59:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Steidel To: davidc@iei.net Hi David and all weavers. I hope I've subscribed correctly because I can't wait to get back on a basket list. I was on Shirley's and miss the friendly conversations and great information and tips. My name is Fran Steidel. I live in New Bern NC. I'm originally from Cutchogue LI and if anyone had told me 10 years ago that I would be living in NC and weaving baskets I would have told them they are NUTS. But here I am and loving both this lovely little city and making any kind of basket. I now belong to NCBA, Coastal Carolina Baketweavers and Port City Basket Weavers. Good luck to you David and thank you very much for all the work you put into this. Fran Steidel cn2878@coastalnet.com New Bern NC @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ Subject: staining Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:13:22 -0400 From: "The Rigterinks" To: Hi Everyone! I hope everyone is able to do alot of weaving this summer. For a change I'm actually getting some done and does it ever feel great!!!!! One question - for staining I use minwax and thinner mix, but would like to try spraying it on rather than messing with brushes. Do I just use a regular spray bottle like I use for water, or is there a "heavy duty" kind I should look for? Does the stain clog the bottle? Can I keep it in the bottle until its gone? Any help would be greatly appreciated. David, you're an ANGEL!!! Diane @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ If for any you would ever like to cancel your subscription, simply send me a message with "unsubscribe" as your subject.