this page before posting material to ABPC.
WHAT THIS GROUP IS ABOUT...
This is a family-oriented group for the POSTING of pictures
of CHILDREN from babies up through the early adolescent years.
This is a general interest group, and the content is intended
to be suitable for viewing/reading by all ages.
Appropiate pictures might show kids in everyday sorts of
activities, such as playing, dancing, performing in various sports,
or other similar things. Also, pictures of child fashions, famous
children, and models are welcome! Family snapshots are a favorite
of many readers and posters alike.
This is a group for everyone who wants to share in the joy
of childhood. We encourage the posting of many kinds of pictures:
boys and girls; babies, toddlers, and school-age; black, white,
brown and yellow. All children are special, regardless of age,
size, gender, ethnicity.
WHAT THIS GROUP IS NOT ABOUT...
Not a Teen group:
This is not a TEEN newsgroup. In ABPC we use the generally
accepted social, not legal, definition of "child"
and thus focus primarily on preteens. Posts of 13-14-year-olds
are acceptable if included as a portion of larger sets of preteen
images, but in general "teen-only" posters should move
to one of the many teen newsgroups that exist. (Note: The
determination of what constitutes "a portion" will
be made by considering the entire posting history of the poster,
not necessarily on a day-by-day basis. Generally this early-teen
portion should not exceed a quarter of the person's total posts
Non-Erotic & Non-Nude:
Pictures posted here should NOT contain any nudity or
erotic content. Nude children other than babies, even if
legal in your local jurisdiction, are considered inappropriate
and are prohibited. There is a tremendous reluctance by many
Internet providers to carry newsgroups containing child-nudity,
even if that nudity is shown tastefully or casually. There are
other groups that carry these kinds of pictures.
Pornographic images are UNWELCOME. This IS NOT
an adult erotica group. This is NOT a kiddie-porn group
either. Many providers dropped erotica groups because of objections
to their content. We don't want this group dropped for similar
Topless girl pictures above preschool-age (over age 4),
and "upskirt" or "panty" pictures of any
age are also inappropriate for the group. Although neither
pornographic nor illegal, the posting of many of these kinds
of pictures are seen by large numbers of people as targeting
the "prurient interests" of the audience**.
Also prohibited are pictures or series that focus on "body
parts." For instance, pictures that focus on the butt,
legs, crotch, or other parts of the body are not allowed in this
group (of course, portraits are the exception). In many jurisidictions,
such "focus" pictures are viewed as sexual in nature,
and thus posts such as these violate the intent and spirit of
A series of images that taken as a whole appear to cater
to prurient interests is not allowed. A series does not have
to be composed entirely of individually off-topic images to be
considered inappropriate. In such cases, context and quantity
may be used to evaluate the appropriateness of a series. Although
context may protect a few borderline images, a few off-topic
images can often taint an entire series. In addition,
posts that are culls from nude or erotic series obtained elsewhere
are not appropriate. This is because requests for fills often
end up causing the off-topic portion to be filled-in by others.
When in doubt, please contact the FAQ-keeper before posting a
series that may be questionable.
**Even in countries where public toplessness
is commonplace, the posting of sets of such pictures to usenet
groups are seen as catering to sexual interests. While it is
understood that many (maybe even most) such pictures are in fact
"innocent," "tasteful," or "artistic,"
it is impossible for everyone to agree on these designations.
To avoid forcing subjective judgments on each post after-the-fact
on a case-by-case basis, the only practical way to go is to simply
say, "no panty pictures," and "no topless girls,"
rather than say that tasteful ones are okay. In an ideal world,
we could allow all tasteful, non-sexual pictures of children
in ABPC. However, once "tasteful" pictures of this
type are allowed, then "non-tasteful" ones will soon
follow, and it will be impossible to stop them. The posters of
the truly inappropriate panty or topless pictures will point
to the ones we "allowed," and argue that there is no
difference. What do we say then? This is the unfortunate experience
of other newsgroups who have tried this experiment. Even if this
does not happen quite this way, the presence of panty pictures
will undoubtedly contribute to additional ISPs dropping ABPC.
It has happened before for lesser reasons. While it is recognized
that this will exclude some cute, candid, and otherwise nice
pictures, there really is no other way to approach this controversial
Advertising is considered inappropriate throughout usenet.
This group is no exception. Please do not post advertising
here, even if this advertising is "child-related"
or usenet related.
Posting text messages or other pointers to websites that
are resources for pictures of children is acceptable provided
the images on the site follows the ABPC FAQ content guidelines.
This does NOT include websites whose only purpose
is to sell a product of some kind, even if that product may be
related to pictures of children. SPECIFICALLY prohibited are
pointers to commercial websites for download services or picture
archives, newsgroup services, and sites whose purpose is to sell
CD collections of downloaded images. Exceptions are made for
websites that are also large downloadable resources for images
that would normally be considered on-topic for ABPC. Having just
a few pictures of children on a site does not by itself qualify
for this exception. This is due to abuse by a few sites who offered
a few images of children for free as an enticement to sell a
Not a Chat Room:
Since this is fundamentally a binary newsgroup, please
limit text posts to topics that relate to the pictures and the
posters of pictures in a positive or constructive way. These
topics may include praise or helpful comments on pictures, production
techniques, tools of production, scanning questions/tips, or
similar messages. Posts directed toward regular posters of pictures
are generally acceptable, but long threads of a personal nature
should be taken to e-mail. Many other binary groups have been
ruined by non-binaries, and we would like to keep this group
from that fate.
Requests for the posting of appropriate pictures are acceptable.
Requests for pictures that do not fit the posting guidelines
are prohibited. Requests for or inquiries about private trades
are also prohibited.
Trolling and other disruptive posts are not permitted.
This includes but is not exclusive to posts made that insult
others, contain profanity, forge other poster's headers, are
intended to provoke anger, or are racist, bigoted, or hateful.
Deliberate attempts to publicly embarrass, defame, vilify, or
attack (flame) others are similarly prohibited, whether done
spontaneously or as a response to others' posts. Note that even
if a person posts off-topic request/pictures, flaming them does
no good, and could lead to an unwanted thread. Of particular
note, any post that overtly states or even implies that contributors
are pedophiles or has such tendencies is not acceptable. It is
impossible to prove such allegations in a forum such as usenet,
and in a childrens pictures newsgroup such accusations are very
damaging. Thus accusatory posts of this nature are not allowed.
ABPC is not a forum for discussing social, ethical or
legal issues. Although the title of this group includes the
word, "children," this does not mean it is for
any kind of discussion about children. Discussion about children's
rights, parenting, child-erotica, pedophilia, and other philosophical
and/or social topics belong in other groups such as alt.activism.children
or alt.parenting. Such discussions are off-topic for this newsgroup.
In addition, public disputes about moral, ethical or legal issues
related to posts and posters are not appropriate for a binary
newsgroup and thus not permitted. This includes arguments about
the legality of scanning publications, legitimacy of posting
candid photos of children taken in public places, or the ethics
of making a profit on child-photography, to name a few examples.
This is not a "personals" newspaper column for
setting up meetings.
All posters must use a valid e-mail return address when
posting text or pictures. Posting without one forces all
replies to be posted. Note that many ISPs insist on this in their
terms of service for e-mail and posting to usenet.
Cross-posting of text or pictures between ABPC and other
newsgroups is generally discouraged. In particular, cross-posting
with erotica groups will be grounds for complaints lodged against
the poster's ISP for spamming. Exceptions will be made for cross-posting
with the few other non-erotic, children-oriented newsgroups containing
content similar to or overlapping with ABPC. An example might
be alt.binaries.pictures.babies. Note that all cross-posted material
must meet ABPC posting guidelines. If in doubt, please contact
the FAQ-keeper for clarification.
Pictures and text posts must be respectful of children.
This newsgroup is set up to honor children, not denegrate them.
ABPC is a pictures newsgroup, not a software group.
Posting of executable files (programs/software) is prohibited,
as is sharing of "cracks," serial numbers, etc. Besides
being off-topic, posting executable files may contribute to the
distribution of viruses or other malicious software. If requests
are made for newsreading software, pointing to official distribution
websites is acceptable. Discussion of software techniques used
to process and improve images is also acceptable provided it
is within the general context of working with pictures of children
for posting to the group. For example, discussing Adobe Photoshop
techniques for touching-up photos is acceptable; posting a copy
of Photoshop or serial numbers is not.
DO NOT REPOST OTHER PEOPLE'S PICTURES. In particular,
do not take anyone else's posts made to ABPC and repost them
into any other newsgroup or place on websites. Besides being
very poor "netiquette," persistent reposting of images
against the posters' wishes contributes to many of these posters
leaving usenet, and everyone suffers. Some posters do not mind
reposts by others, but most posters do not wish this to happen.
When in doubt, it is best (and most likely correct) to assume
that reposts are NOT wanted.
PLEASE, try to post images and/or text messages that keep
with the spirit of the group. We do not advocate censorship -
in fact, we are against censorship if it means the total suppression
of expression. Instead, for practical reasons, we are simply
asking that people direct their posts to an appropriate group
for the images. In other words, we aren't telling you not to
post your pictures, just put them in the right place for them.
Unfortunately, like it or not, we are subject to the arbitrary
power that ISPs have to censor our group by deciding to drop
it without warning from their servers. This has already happened
at some sites in the U.S and Europe. We do not want this to happen
with our group in other places. Thus, we ask that posters use
common-sense in deciding what is appropriate for the group.
Keep in mind that the legality of the images is not the issue,
since the internet is international and the laws are different
in each country. It is the *perception* of the group by ISPs
that matters. If the group is perceived to be a pedophile
haven, it will be dropped by many ISPs without warning and without
discussion. Unfortunately, requests for "nude little girls"
or "little girls in panties" sound like sexually-motivated
requests, and these add to a negative perception of the group.
We recognize that there may be many beautiful, artistic images
of nude children available, and that most people think "little
girls in panties" are not inherently sexual, but we're afraid
that since the ISPs cannot read our minds, they are likely to
assume the worse and see these posts as sexual.
Right now, alt.binaries.pictures.children is one of the only
newsgroups where general-interest images of children can be posted.
On the other hand, there are over a dozen newsgroups for children's
pictures whose titles suggest or state a sexual nature to the
posts. It would be a great loss if ABPC were turned into just
another pornography group. Then there would be no place for general-interest
children's pictures anywhere on the internet.
Ideas for Using Downloaded Pictures
Persons requiring an image for a media show, school project,
or other non-profit purpose, may find what they are looking for
in this group. Many pictures posted here make interesting Windows
wallpaper or screensaver backgrounds, or when printed, can be
used in greeting cards, calendars, or wall posters.
However, please be aware that pictures posted to the group
are not necessarily in the public domain, and to be honest, probably
are not. In general, keep in mind that using pictures from this
group may violate someone's copyright. I suspect that using the
images for personal viewing isn't going to bother anyone, but
using them for a commercial venture (including non-profit activities
that raise money) is not legal (and isn't very nice). If you
wish to use photos that you download from this group, you do
so at your own risk.
Posting of copyrighted material by someone other than the
copyright holder is done solely at the risk of the person posting
such material. Some authors enjoy the exposure; it serves as
advertisement. Others do not feel that way and will object. The
laws of various countries are different, so it is up to you to
be aware of the laws that govern your actions. The application
of copyright laws is not well-defined for electronic media such
as the Internet. In many cases, the laws have not yet been tested.