CheesesFreak (10:40:41 PM): Mao.
Five75 Haiku (10:41:36 PM): Mew.
Five75 Haiku (10:44:19 PM): Someone bought an orange old skewl headgear off Alariis for 600g in the marketplace.
CheesesFreak (10:44:41 PM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (10:44:45 PM): I saw that you had it for sale.
Five75 Haiku (10:44:53 PM): Yeah. It came in my most recent trunk.
Five75 Haiku (10:44:59 PM): I've had something like 3 rare events this month.
CheesesFreak (10:45:05 PM): Wow.
Five75 Haiku (10:45:06 PM): Mark keeps getting annoyed over it.
CheesesFreak (10:45:23 PM): I think I've had a trunk and a pink link in the entire life of my account.
Five75 Haiku (10:45:27 PM): o_o
Five75 Haiku (10:45:33 PM): Neither of you spends enough time on Gaia, I'm convinced.
Five75 Haiku (10:45:46 PM): I spend as many of my waking hours as possible on it, and look at Indoras' sig.
CheesesFreak (10:45:49 PM): It's probably true.
CheesesFreak (10:46:06 PM): I'd spend more time, if I didn't have other things calling me.
Five75 Haiku (10:46:11 PM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (10:46:11 PM): I have a powerful urge to play GTA.
Five75 Haiku (10:46:19 PM): I bumped your thread a few times.
Five75 Haiku (10:46:20 PM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (10:46:25 PM): I kind of want to try FF Tactics now.
CheesesFreak (10:46:27 PM): *nod* I saw. You're in second place. ^_^
Five75 Haiku (10:46:32 PM): But Mark is taking his turn on Disgaea.
Five75 Haiku (10:46:36 PM): Heh, even though I'm not numbering?
CheesesFreak (10:46:42 PM): Bah. I counted.
CheesesFreak (10:46:49 PM): I said numbering was preferable.
CheesesFreak (10:46:52 PM): But not important.
Five75 Haiku (10:46:56 PM): I wonder if you should enact rules that someone cannot win the raffle too many times in a row?
CheesesFreak (10:47:20 PM): I could, but ought I?
Five75 Haiku (10:47:28 PM): Or even if you win the bumping contest, you can't win the raffle?
CheesesFreak (10:47:32 PM): I could put a cap on the number of tickets people are allowed to buy.
Five75 Haiku (10:47:35 PM): Is it really fair to keep giving the same person money?
CheesesFreak (10:47:50 PM): Probably not for the bump contest.
Five75 Haiku (10:47:53 PM): I'm thinking a limit of 3 wins or something.
Five75 Haiku (10:47:54 PM): Ok.
Five75 Haiku (10:48:10 PM): But that's just because I saw one person at NDK win about 5 items at the raffle at closing ceremonies.
CheesesFreak (10:48:14 PM): Yeah.
Five75 Haiku (10:48:28 PM): It annoyed me greatly because after the first two items, he should've just pretended he didn't have the numbers.
CheesesFreak (10:48:41 PM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (10:48:48 PM): I don't care that he bought something like $200 worth of raffle tickets, what about the people who barely had the money for one ticket, and NDK on top of it?
CheesesFreak (10:49:24 PM): Technically, the stance of most lotteries is that a person can spend as much money as they please and win as many times. Winning the Powerball does not preclude you from winning it again in the next drawing.
Five75 Haiku (10:49:47 PM): I know, but what about the feelings of the people who lose?
CheesesFreak (10:50:01 PM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (10:50:23 PM): Maybe I ought to enact a 30-day clause, like in game shows and radio contests.
Five75 Haiku (10:50:41 PM): That might work.
CheesesFreak (10:50:53 PM): I wonder what's going to be in the October letters.
CheesesFreak (10:50:59 PM): *fires up Paint to bang out a sig*
Five75 Haiku (10:51:05 PM): It's not likely to be Halloween related.
Five75 Haiku (10:51:14 PM): Man, I hope Gaia doesn't die during its Halloween festivities.
CheesesFreak (10:51:25 PM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (10:51:37 PM): w00t, I won't be working Halloween.
CheesesFreak (10:52:04 PM): Maybe I'll terrorize little kids.
Five75 Haiku (10:52:10 PM): Or play on Gaia?
CheesesFreak (10:52:18 PM): That's an even better idea.
CheesesFreak (10:52:28 PM): Indy and Lorry can go trick-or-treating. :P
Five75 Haiku (10:53:00 PM): Yup.
Five75 Haiku (10:53:08 PM): I wonder if Towns will incorporate it.
CheesesFreak (10:53:19 PM): Oooh! That would be awesome.
Five75 Haiku (10:53:40 PM): I should ask Jakob.
CheesesFreak (10:54:44 PM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (10:55:38 PM): Want to do a quick round of gambling?
CheesesFreak (10:55:52 PM): Sure.
Five75 Haiku (10:55:57 PM): Peerless created.
CheesesFreak (10:56:03 PM): ^_^
Five75 Haiku (10:56:08 PM): :P
CheesesFreak (11:02:57 PM): Out of tokens, myself.
Five75 Haiku (11:03:01 PM): ok
CheesesFreak (11:03:02 PM): I think I won't play my winnings.
CheesesFreak (11:03:13 PM): 'cause then they'll just disappear.
CheesesFreak (11:03:26 PM): I think the 30 tokens only per game is a good idea.
Five75 Haiku (11:03:49 PM): I never do.
Five75 Haiku (11:06:16 PM): Huh. Ozzy Osbourne covered the Beatles' In My Life.
Five75 Haiku (11:06:19 PM): It's very... weird.
CheesesFreak (11:06:45 PM): o_o
Five75 Haiku (11:06:55 PM): Shall I send you the mp3?
CheesesFreak (11:06:57 PM): Please do.
Five75 Haiku (11:07:02 PM): (Did you get any of the Cake off Erin?)
CheesesFreak (11:07:17 PM): She's not here; it turns out she won't be. ><
Five75 Haiku wants to send file ozzy osbourne - in my life(4).mp3 (11:07:18 PM).
Five75 Haiku (11:07:22 PM): Ok.
CheesesFreak (11:07:25 PM): But, I think I can get it for you, anyway.
Five75 Haiku (11:07:32 PM): ^^;
CheesesFreak (11:07:35 PM): Heck, I found "Let's Fighting Love," didn't I? :P
Five75 Haiku (11:07:36 PM): Or I can download at least that song.
Five75 Haiku (11:07:38 PM): Yup.
CheesesFreak (11:07:44 PM): Do you want "Daria," too?
Five75 Haiku (11:07:45 PM): Where'd you get it from? Kazaa?
CheesesFreak (11:07:47 PM): Is good.
Five75 Haiku (11:07:47 PM): Sure.
CheesesFreak (11:07:52 PM): eDonkey.
Five75 Haiku (11:07:55 PM): Oh.
Five75 Haiku (11:07:59 PM): I thought it was better for programs.
CheesesFreak (11:08:31 PM): Yeah, but a lot of people are moving all their stuff to the eMule/eDonkey/Overnet networks, since the RIAA has been flooding KaZaA with bogus files.
Five75 Haiku (11:08:48 PM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (11:09:00 PM): Yeah, Mark gets tons of files at once when he goes after a song and then has to weed through them.
CheesesFreak (11:09:06 PM): *nod*
CheesesFreak received D:\Downloads\AIM\ozzy osbourne - in my life(4).mp3 (11:09:24 PM).
CheesesFreak (11:09:25 PM): I use Torrent when I'm going for entire sets, like albums.
Five75 Haiku (11:09:43 PM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (11:09:49 PM): I never go for an entire set, really, anymore.
Five75 Haiku (11:10:04 PM): Although there is a Natalie Imbruglia song I've been trying to get forever and I can never get a good copy off Kazaa.
Five75 Haiku (11:10:18 PM): Not that I have access to its name, as I've locked myself out of my side of the hard drive from here.
CheesesFreak (11:10:29 PM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (11:11:20 PM): Arg. There's no one on Gaia.
CheesesFreak (11:11:42 PM): Initiating file send.
Five75 Haiku (11:11:46 PM): k
CheesesFreak wants to send file D:\Downloads\eDonkey\Cake - The Distance.mp3 (11:11:57 PM).
CheesesFreak (11:12:03 PM): o_O
CheesesFreak (11:12:12 PM): Do you have it set to auto-refuse?
CheesesFreak (11:12:19 PM): It says you can't recieve it.
CheesesFreak wants to send file D:\Downloads\eDonkey\Cake - The Distance.mp3 (11:12:29 PM).
CheesesFreak (11:12:37 PM): Five75 Haiku is not available for File Transfer or does not support the File Transfer feature.
Five75 Haiku (11:12:46 PM): Hmm, let me check.
Five75 Haiku (11:13:03 PM): Ah. It is.
CheesesFreak (11:13:14 PM): *nod* Ready?
Five75 Haiku (11:13:16 PM): Try again.
CheesesFreak wants to send file D:\Downloads\eDonkey\Cake - The Distance.mp3 (11:13:30 PM).
Five75 Haiku (11:14:02 PM): I think it's "Going the Distance"; that's how it shows up on Last.fm
Five75 Haiku (11:14:31 PM): Sankyuu.
CheesesFreak (11:14:42 PM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku received D:\Downloads\eDonkey\Cake - The Distance.mp3 (11:14:59 PM).
CheesesFreak (11:14:59 PM): No puroburemu.
CheesesFreak (11:17:37 PM): Tedious pixel art. o_o
Five75 Haiku (11:17:57 PM): Mhm.
Five75 Haiku (11:18:02 PM): j00 gots Daria too?
CheesesFreak (11:18:32 PM): Trying to gots. --;
CheesesFreak (11:18:37 PM): But will soon.
Five75 Haiku (11:19:17 PM): Ok.
Five75 Haiku (11:21:19 PM): Il n'y a personne sur Gaia ce soir...
CheesesFreak (11:21:45 PM): Mrau?
Five75 Haiku (11:22:13 PM): :-(
CheesesFreak (11:22:43 PM): :-(
CheesesFreak (11:23:12 PM): Je serais sur le Gaia, mais j'essaye �galement de faire mon image...
Five75 Haiku (11:23:22 PM): Je sais.
Five75 Haiku (11:23:51 PM): Je t'ai dit que tu devrais le cr�er ce soir en tout cas.
CheesesFreak (11:25:33 PM): *hopes this makes sense* J'essayerai de ne pas vous ignorer sur le xGaiax.
Five75 Haiku (11:25:45 PM): ...Take out the X's, next time.
Five75 Haiku (11:25:51 PM): Oui, j'ai compris.
CheesesFreak (11:26:10 PM): Oops, yeah.
Five75 Haiku (11:26:36 PM): Amazing how easily the French comes back to me.
CheesesFreak (11:27:07 PM): ^^
Five75 Haiku (11:27:08 PM): Maybe I should fish again.
CheesesFreak (11:27:10 PM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (11:27:16 PM): Do you want me to hang with you?
Five75 Haiku (11:27:16 PM): Like at Bass'ken.
CheesesFreak (11:27:20 PM): *nod&
Five75 Haiku (11:27:28 PM): Don't let me distract you from your image working. :P
CheesesFreak (11:27:34 PM): :P
CheesesFreak (11:27:45 PM): I can sit and watch.
CheesesFreak (11:27:52 PM): We can pretend I'm sitting on the pier sketching.
Five75 Haiku (11:27:57 PM): Ok.
Five75 Haiku (11:28:43 PM): Fleh.
Five75 Haiku (11:28:48 PM): Timber smells like unwashed dog.
CheesesFreak (11:28:51 PM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (11:29:55 PM): Anyway, setting up Peerless at Bass'ken.
Five75 Haiku (11:30:10 PM): ...
CheesesFreak (11:30:10 PM): :p
Five75 Haiku (11:30:12 PM): Unless you already did.
CheesesFreak (11:30:17 PM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (11:30:20 PM): Wench.
Five75 Haiku (11:30:21 PM): :P
CheesesFreak (11:30:25 PM): :D
Five75 Haiku (11:37:14 PM): Nous devrions avoir notre propre langue.
CheesesFreak (11:38:18 PM): Je conviens absolument. S�rieusement travaillons � lui.
Five75 Haiku (11:39:30 PM): On devrait d�cider les petits choses de notre langue... comment conjuger des verbes, et cetera...
CheesesFreak (11:40:46 PM): Vous avez plus d'exp�rience avec ceci ; comment complexe le pensez-vous devriez-vous �tre ?
Five75 Haiku (11:41:15 PM): Je d�teste des formes difficiles.
CheesesFreak (11:41:40 PM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (11:41:43 PM): Or, rather...
Five75 Haiku (11:41:50 PM): J'ai pens�e que ce sera amusant: utiliser des mots de Proto-Indo-Europ�en (comme dans le grand dictionnaire chez mon p�re) pour une langue
CheesesFreak (11:41:56 PM): *signe d'assentiment* o_o
Five75 Haiku (11:42:25 PM): Quoi?
CheesesFreak (11:42:41 PM): "Comme dans le grand dictionnaire chez mon p�re"?
CheesesFreak (11:43:09 PM): *signe d'assentiment* is what Babel gave me for "*nod*."
Five75 Haiku (11:43:32 PM): Oui. Il y a une liste dedans des mots de Proto-Indo-Europ�en.
CheesesFreak (11:46:09 PM): *nod* Inventerions-nous des mots, ou prenez les mots d'autres langues?
Five75 Haiku (11:46:23 PM): Je ne sais pas. ^_^
Five75 Haiku (11:46:55 PM): Quand j'ai cr�� ma primi�re langue, au primier j'ai utilis� des mots de fran�ais.
CheesesFreak (11:47:54 PM): "Primi�re" ne traduit pas, mais je pense que je comprends.
Five75 Haiku (11:48:10 PM): Premi�re. I couldn't see why it didn't look right.
CheesesFreak (11:48:44 PM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (11:49:00 PM): http://www.quetzal.com/conlang.html
Five75 Haiku (11:49:10 PM): www.zompist.com has GREAT info.
CheesesFreak (11:49:14 PM): :D
CheesesFreak (11:49:16 PM): Sweet.
Five75 Haiku (11:49:23 PM): Zompist is one of my favorite sites.
Five75 Haiku (11:49:32 PM): http://www.langmaker.com/
Five75 Haiku (11:49:36 PM): Profiles of Conlangs.
CheesesFreak (11:49:58 PM): J'ai cr�� des codes sur mes propres, mais jamais une langue avec une autre personne. Comment nous sugg�rez-vous commencez-vous ?
Five75 Haiku (11:50:33 PM): Wow. "on my own" got so mangled. o_o
CheesesFreak (11:50:41 PM): :P
Five75 Haiku (11:50:47 PM): I only understood it because I read it literally with an English-speaking brain.
Five75 Haiku (11:50:50 PM): *thinks*
CheesesFreak (11:50:58 PM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (11:51:04 PM): I think it'd just be moi-m�me, myself.
CheesesFreak (11:51:36 PM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (11:51:38 PM): (Moi, toi, lui, nous, vous, leurs + -m�me = my/your/his/her/its/... etc.)(
Five75 Haiku (11:51:40 PM): ^^;]
Five75 Haiku (11:51:43 PM): <3 French.
CheesesFreak (11:51:50 PM): ^_^
Five75 Haiku (11:52:40 PM): Well, since you've never made a language before... I'd say let's just start throwing out thoughts and if we can't decide or start arguing a point, we can use a number generator to pick.
CheesesFreak (11:53:20 PM): Ok.
Five75 Haiku (11:54:49 PM): We'd also have to decide on possible sounds.
Five75 Haiku (11:55:04 PM): A language like English is great for making tons of vocabulary because you make a word out of nearly any combination of letters and sounds.
Five75 Haiku (11:55:32 PM): Except stuff like mba--you can tell that's not an English word because it doesn't fit our rules for sound combinations.
CheesesFreak (11:55:58 PM): What is "mba?"
Five75 Haiku (11:56:29 PM): I don't know. It's as close to the example my English teacher always uses as I can remember.
Five75 Haiku (11:56:46 PM): To my eyes, it seems like it would fit into an African tongue like ... uh... hang on.
CheesesFreak (11:57:24 PM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (11:57:30 PM): Maninka.
Five75 Haiku (11:57:52 PM): But compare English to say, Japanese. You have only about 50 possible sounds.
Five75 Haiku (11:58:10 PM): Which makes for lots of homonyms, and if not for kanji, you'd be completely lost as to the meaning in lots of written cases.
CheesesFreak (11:58:28 PM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (11:58:37 PM): Then, I would think it would be important to have as many sounds as possible.
CheesesFreak (11:58:56 PM): But, I think we ought not get carried away with things such as clicks or grunts.
Five75 Haiku (11:59:00 PM): Mm, but that makes it difficult if you create an alphabet.
Five75 Haiku (11:59:12 PM): Look at how many sounds have to be represented by 26 letters in English.
CheesesFreak (11:59:32 PM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (11:59:55 PM): What if we limit ourselves to 10 vowel sounds?
Five75 Haiku (12:00:02 AM): Okay. Which ten?
CheesesFreak (12:00:11 AM): The long and short versions of each 5?
Five75 Haiku (12:00:15 AM): I wonder if I can paste in IPA letters...
Five75 Haiku (12:00:17 AM): --;
Five75 Haiku (12:00:21 AM): Mark, I can't understand long and short.
Five75 Haiku (12:00:33 AM): Linguistically, that's a very bad explanation.
Five75 Haiku (12:00:51 AM): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPA_chart_for_English
Five75 Haiku (12:00:54 AM): Here's what I understand. ^_^
CheesesFreak (12:01:09 AM): Wow, it's been awhile since I've seen that.
Five75 Haiku (12:01:13 AM): What, IPA?
CheesesFreak (12:01:17 AM): Yeah.
Five75 Haiku (12:01:25 AM): My alphabet is loosely similar too it.
Five75 Haiku (12:01:44 AM): I actually sat down and wrote out as many sounds as I could find in English.
CheesesFreak (12:02:02 AM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (12:02:39 AM): What do you think about having only one way to write a particular sound?
Five75 Haiku (12:02:47 AM): That's an excellent way to do things.
Five75 Haiku (12:02:54 AM): When I had you read that stuff aloud for my homework last spring, I wrote it out in my alphabet then transliterated into IPA. :P
CheesesFreak (12:02:54 AM): *nod* That's what I think.
CheesesFreak (12:02:59 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (12:03:08 AM): Even if you have diacritics to change things slightly, like French and Japanese, those are fine, too.
CheesesFreak (12:03:24 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (12:03:26 AM): (� versus �, for example... and ha/ba/pa.
Five75 Haiku (12:03:27 AM): )
CheesesFreak (12:03:34 AM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (12:03:41 AM): I'm not opposed to diacritical marks.
Five75 Haiku (12:03:48 AM): :-)
Five75 Haiku (12:04:08 AM): I use diacritics to Mark certain different letters in the cursive version of my alphabet; otherwise it all looks like s's.
CheesesFreak (12:04:52 AM): I'm a verb. :P
Five75 Haiku (12:04:56 AM): Actually, my alphabet is directly bastardized (Anglicized) from Norse runes.
Five75 Haiku (12:05:02 AM): HA HA HA. I didn't even see that!
CheesesFreak (12:05:21 AM): *nod* Did I ever tell you that I used to be able to read Celtic runes?
Five75 Haiku (12:05:25 AM): Nope.
Five75 Haiku (12:05:32 AM): Which type of Celtic runes? (www.omniglot.com)
CheesesFreak (12:05:34 AM): They figure heavily in the Ultima series.
Five75 Haiku (12:05:54 AM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (12:06:08 AM): Huh.
Five75 Haiku (12:06:15 AM): ?
CheesesFreak (12:06:16 AM): I may be mistaken.
CheesesFreak (12:06:23 AM): It may, in fact, be Norse runes I'm thinking of.
CheesesFreak (12:06:37 AM): Even though I distinctly recall the Ultima manual saying they were Celtic.
Five75 Haiku (12:06:38 AM): I didn't think it was the Celts who had runes.
CheesesFreak (12:06:42 AM): http://www.omniglot.com/writing/runic.htm
Five75 Haiku (12:06:49 AM): Feh. What would they know? They're video game makers, not linguists!
Five75 Haiku (12:06:59 AM): Oh, Futhork.
Five75 Haiku (12:07:06 AM): I use a version of those.
CheesesFreak (12:07:10 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (12:07:12 AM): That's what I bastardized. :P
CheesesFreak (12:07:15 AM): ^_^
Five75 Haiku (12:07:26 AM): But if I'm writing something I don't want people to read and I don't want to have to write it IPA style, I use those runes.
CheesesFreak (12:07:57 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (12:08:46 AM): Do they use the same version?
CheesesFreak (12:09:31 AM): They use the Gothic version, actually.
Five75 Haiku (12:09:37 AM): Ok.
CheesesFreak (12:09:38 AM): Or, wait.
CheesesFreak (12:09:41 AM): So many similarities. o_o
Five75 Haiku (12:09:53 AM): Difficult, isn't it?
CheesesFreak (12:10:18 AM): Anglo-Saxon is what they used, definitely.
CheesesFreak (12:10:54 AM): And the history of the runes would fly with the history of the game, since it's set in a sort of mythical version of Britain.
Five75 Haiku (12:11:14 AM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (12:13:48 AM): About 75% done with sig.
CheesesFreak (12:13:52 AM): As a side note.
Five75 Haiku (12:14:25 AM): Ok.
Five75 Haiku wants to directly connect (12:14:26 AM).
Five75 Haiku is now directly connected (12:14:28 AM).
Five75 Haiku (12:14:38 AM):

Five75 Haiku (12:14:56 AM): Example of my first language, which was actually just a sort of coded English.
CheesesFreak (12:15:20 AM): *wonders what you wrote*
Five75 Haiku (12:15:29 AM): Stuff. :P
CheesesFreak (12:15:39 AM): It makes me think of Russian, a little bit.
Five75 Haiku (12:15:47 AM): It's based on futhorc.
CheesesFreak (12:15:49 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (12:15:51 AM): Can you see it?
Five75 Haiku (12:16:13 AM): The best way to hide things are in plain sight...
Five75 Haiku (12:16:40 AM): I'm done fishing. :P
CheesesFreak (12:18:05 AM): :P
CheesesFreak (12:18:12 AM): Try as I might, I'm not sure what it says.
Five75 Haiku (12:18:21 AM): That's okay.
Five75 Haiku (12:18:26 AM): It's designed to be confusing.
Five75 Haiku (12:18:30 AM): There's something like forty letters.
CheesesFreak (12:18:33 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (12:18:36 AM): Which is rather like Russian.
Five75 Haiku (12:18:42 AM): But also IPA. :P
Five75 Haiku (12:18:44 AM): Anywho.
Five75 Haiku (12:18:48 AM): Which ten vowel sounds?
CheesesFreak (12:18:51 AM): Russian makes my head all spinny.
CheesesFreak (12:18:55 AM): Ah, yes.
Five75 Haiku (12:18:56 AM): Why?
CheesesFreak (12:19:10 AM): Because I look at the letters as if they are their English counterparts.
Five75 Haiku (12:19:12 AM): You know most languages don't have a present tense equivalent for "to be"? It's just understood via context?
Five75 Haiku (12:19:15 AM): Me, too.
CheesesFreak (12:20:31 AM): When I was saying short and long, I was thinking thusly:

A = crate, cat
E = creek, set
I = kite, kick
O = coat, cot
U = cute, comfy (couldn't think of an "uh" sound in another word).
CheesesFreak (12:20:37 AM): Well, maybe "cum". >_>
Five75 Haiku (12:20:48 AM): So no ah like father?
Five75 Haiku (12:20:57 AM): Just ay and aa?
Five75 Haiku (12:20:58 AM): :P
CheesesFreak (12:21:02 AM): Sure. :P
CheesesFreak (12:21:06 AM): Although it's up for debate.
Five75 Haiku (12:21:09 AM): Wait.
Five75 Haiku (12:21:11 AM): cot.
Five75 Haiku (12:21:13 AM): cot = father.
CheesesFreak (12:21:22 AM): Fother? :P
Five75 Haiku (12:21:28 AM): I see that as an a, not an o. :P
Five75 Haiku (12:21:33 AM): But that's my habit.
CheesesFreak (12:21:36 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (12:23:17 AM): Are there any vowel sounds we missed?
Five75 Haiku (12:23:31 AM): The only one I can think of is the oo sound in book.
Five75 Haiku (12:23:38 AM): Which I'd probably write more as eu.
Five75 Haiku (12:23:48 AM): I think it's a glottalized o...
Five75 Haiku (12:23:51 AM): */babbling*
CheesesFreak (12:23:54 AM): :D
CheesesFreak (12:24:05 AM): Then there's the schwa.
CheesesFreak (12:24:21 AM): And there's probably a number of them that are excluded in a 10-vowel system.
Five75 Haiku (12:24:27 AM): No, the schwa is the o in comfy.
Five75 Haiku (12:24:48 AM): It's also sometimes represented as an upside-down v, but that has something to do with word stress.
CheesesFreak (12:25:20 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (12:26:22 AM): :P
Five75 Haiku (12:26:25 AM): So, ten vowels.
CheesesFreak (12:27:12 AM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (12:27:23 AM): Combined with 21 consonants?

Session concluded at 12:27:34 AM

CheesesFreak (12:28:04 AM): Oops.
CheesesFreak (12:28:08 AM): I closed the window. ><
Five75 Haiku (12:28:12 AM): Okay, which 21 consonants? And does that count what we'd consider to be "combined"?
CheesesFreak (12:28:28 AM): Oh, dang, no, it doesn't.
CheesesFreak (12:28:33 AM): You mean like "th" and the like?
Five75 Haiku (12:28:35 AM): So stuff like ng, ch, and sr...
Five75 Haiku (12:28:37 AM): Yeah.
CheesesFreak (12:28:38 AM): Yeah.
CheesesFreak (12:28:45 AM): It's just the base 21 consonants.
CheesesFreak (12:29:06 AM): *tries to pronounce a standalone "ng"*
Five75 Haiku (12:29:07 AM): Mmmmm...
Five75 Haiku (12:29:08 AM): Okay, but...
Five75 Haiku (12:29:18 AM): Hey, ng- can come at the beginning of some African words. :P
CheesesFreak (12:29:22 AM): :P
Five75 Haiku (12:29:29 AM): My only problem with "base 21 consonants" is... what do you do with c?
Five75 Haiku (12:29:43 AM): c is covered by k and s in English.
CheesesFreak (12:29:49 AM): We should drop "c".
Five75 Haiku (12:29:55 AM): You could use c to represent ch in romanized versions of the language, though.
CheesesFreak (12:30:02 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (12:30:22 AM): Then there's no need to use the Czechoslovakian c with an upside-down caret.
CheesesFreak (12:30:28 AM): Or, for a little flavor, we could drop K and S and make C stand for either, based on a diacritical mark.
Five75 Haiku (12:30:29 AM): IF you use ch, that is.
Five75 Haiku (12:30:34 AM): *shudder*
Five75 Haiku (12:30:38 AM): Let's not play with diacritics just yet.
CheesesFreak (12:30:41 AM): :P 'k.
Five75 Haiku (12:30:56 AM): That, and a weird little rule like that is more something an English speaker would come up with.
Five75 Haiku (12:31:06 AM): It makes the language appear less natural.
Five75 Haiku (12:31:13 AM): Unless you want a stilted, logical, weird language.
Five75 Haiku (12:31:24 AM): I prefer languages that seem natural.
CheesesFreak (12:31:32 AM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (12:31:36 AM): So, C++ is out. :P
Five75 Haiku (12:32:02 AM): If you want me to be able to speak it, yes.
Five75 Haiku (12:33:14 AM): So, b, c(ch), d, f, g, h, j, k, l, m, n, p, q...
What purpose does q serve?
Five75 Haiku (12:33:22 AM): You could just as easily do like in Japanese with ky-.
Five75 Haiku (12:34:15 AM): r, s (sh?), t, th?, v, w, x, y, z.
x is also relatively useless... ks and z work just as well.
Five75 Haiku (12:34:21 AM): So much redundancy...
CheesesFreak (12:35:07 AM): We can drop the redundancy; ky for q, ks and z for x.
CheesesFreak (12:35:21 AM): Are you saying that "c" ought to stand only for "ch?"
CheesesFreak (12:35:24 AM): And neither k nor s?
Five75 Haiku (12:35:25 AM): Probably.
CheesesFreak (12:35:27 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (12:35:27 AM): Yeah.
CheesesFreak (12:35:30 AM): That sounds good to me.
Five75 Haiku (12:35:42 AM): Because that makes it much, much easier to read without having to put in arbitrary English-style rules.
CheesesFreak (12:35:47 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (12:35:50 AM): Any other consonant combinations?
CheesesFreak (12:35:56 AM): f for ph.
CheesesFreak (12:36:04 AM): and gh.
Five75 Haiku (12:36:07 AM): Yeah, ph is from Greek mainly.
Five75 Haiku (12:36:10 AM): Yeah.
Five75 Haiku (12:36:12 AM): Oh.
Five75 Haiku (12:36:20 AM): j like in just and g like in great, right?
CheesesFreak (12:36:22 AM): Right.
Five75 Haiku (12:36:25 AM): Ok.
CheesesFreak (12:36:26 AM): I just thought of that myself.
Five75 Haiku (12:38:05 AM): ^_^
CheesesFreak (12:39:41 AM): b, ch, d, f, g, h, j, k, l, m, n, p, r, s, t, v, w, y, z, th, sh...?
Five75 Haiku (12:39:52 AM): tr?
Five75 Haiku (12:39:54 AM): st?
CheesesFreak (12:40:04 AM): *adds to list*
Five75 Haiku (12:40:28 AM): br, dr, fr, gr, kr, mr, nr, pr, sr, vr, wr, zr, thr, shr?
CheesesFreak (12:40:36 AM): Crikey.
Five75 Haiku (12:40:39 AM): Aren't conlangs fun?
Five75 Haiku (12:40:44 AM): ^_^___^_^_^_^^^^_^_^_^__^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^^^^^
CheesesFreak (12:40:46 AM): :P
CheesesFreak (12:41:39 AM): Do we see any reason at all to have a silent letter?
Five75 Haiku (12:41:43 AM): None at all.
Five75 Haiku (12:41:58 AM): And that's more of an orthographic concern. We should concentrate on just phonology.
Five75 Haiku (12:42:21 AM): (Are you keeping notes on this in a document or something, I hope?)
CheesesFreak (12:42:38 AM): *nod* I'd intended to take the logged convo and build notes after the fact.
CheesesFreak (12:43:09 AM): b, ch, d, f, g, h, j, k, l, m, n, p, r, s, t, v, w, y, z, th, sh, st, *r (what do we do about all the consonant+r combinations? o_O )
Five75 Haiku (12:44:23 AM): Well, you don't have to have separate letters for all those combos; you can do like in English and just write them.
Five75 Haiku (12:44:39 AM): But you should take note of what consonants CANNOT be paired in front of r. That's equally important.
CheesesFreak (12:44:50 AM): rr.
CheesesFreak (12:44:51 AM): :P
Five75 Haiku (12:44:58 AM): Heh. That could be a trilled r.
Five75 Haiku (12:44:59 AM): OH!
Five75 Haiku (12:45:01 AM): What SORT of R?!
Five75 Haiku (12:45:10 AM): (The only reason you'd want to do a syllabary is if you have something with fewer sounds, IMO... like Japanese.)
CheesesFreak (12:45:15 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (12:45:23 AM): The English r is not really used by any other language in the world.
Five75 Haiku (12:45:36 AM): And there are different r's in Chinese, Japanese, French, German, Spanish...
Five75 Haiku (12:46:01 AM): ...do you really want to differentiate between r's and l's? They really are very similar.
Five75 Haiku (12:46:15 AM): And if you distance yourself a bit from English in phonology, it's more fun later.
CheesesFreak (12:46:18 AM): Hmm.
CheesesFreak (12:46:19 AM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (12:46:23 AM): Which would we drop?
Five75 Haiku (12:46:30 AM): It's up to you.
Five75 Haiku (12:46:41 AM): I'd say l in keeping with other world languages, but is this Loerilayin or what?
CheesesFreak (12:46:54 AM): Roerirayin. :P
CheesesFreak (12:47:38 AM): Hmm. Tough decision to pick between the two.
CheesesFreak (12:48:00 AM): On the one hand, dropping the "L" would be in line with what seems to be the natural order of things...
Five75 Haiku (12:48:04 AM): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolating_language
Five75 Haiku (12:48:26 AM): (I guess this is Loerilayin, then, for lack of a better name for the moment?)
CheesesFreak (12:48:45 AM): Sure.
CheesesFreak (12:48:52 AM): Loerilayin, v0.1
Five75 Haiku (12:49:16 AM): If it IS Loerilayin, ... it didn't really originate on Earth if it's its own little star system.
Five75 Haiku (12:49:25 AM): In which case, dealer's choice. :P
CheesesFreak (12:49:36 AM): Several words in the first two sentences of that article I need a dictionary for. o_o
CheesesFreak (12:49:52 AM): Well, the "L" is important in pronouncing "Loerilaye," so I think it should be the one kept.
Five75 Haiku (12:50:23 AM): Oh, morphemes, agglutinative, and synthetic?
Five75 Haiku (12:50:27 AM): Ok.
Five75 Haiku (12:50:29 AM): No r's.
Five75 Haiku (12:50:32 AM): Tl?
Five75 Haiku (12:50:41 AM): That could wipe out that whole *r problem.
Five75 Haiku (12:50:49 AM): ^_^
CheesesFreak (12:50:51 AM): ^_^
CheesesFreak (12:51:59 AM): bl, fl, gl, kl, pl, sl, vl, zl?
Five75 Haiku (12:52:06 AM): Sure.
CheesesFreak (12:52:08 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (12:52:10 AM): And.
Five75 Haiku (12:52:19 AM): Are there any vowel combinations that cannot follow those consonant combinations? ^_^
Five75 Haiku (12:52:26 AM): (Am I driving you insane with these weird details?)
CheesesFreak (12:53:12 AM): Nope. ^_^
Five75 Haiku (12:53:12 AM): The morphological level can be just as difficult as the syntactic, though... :D
CheesesFreak (12:53:17 AM): o_O
CheesesFreak (12:53:21 AM): Not sure what that means.
Five75 Haiku (12:53:25 AM): Aren't you glad I've taken linguistics?
CheesesFreak (12:53:28 AM): *nodnod*
CheesesFreak (12:53:48 AM): I don't know why there ought to be any of the ten vowels that cannot follow a particular consonant sound.
Five75 Haiku (12:53:50 AM): Morphology: sounds that make up words. Syntax, you already know.
CheesesFreak (12:53:52 AM): Oh, but here's a question.
Five75 Haiku (12:53:59 AM): Well, languages are filled with weird rules.
CheesesFreak (12:54:02 AM): Th -- hard "th," or soft?
Five75 Haiku (12:54:09 AM): Um.
Five75 Haiku (12:54:27 AM): Or just forget about th in entirely since it occurs in very few world languages and I HATE trying to figure out if a th is voiced or unvoiced?
CheesesFreak (12:54:34 AM): Ok.
Five75 Haiku (12:54:40 AM): Theta or eth? :P
CheesesFreak (12:54:45 AM): o_O
Five75 Haiku (12:54:54 AM): That's the names of the IPA symbols for the two th's.
CheesesFreak (12:54:57 AM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (12:55:11 AM): F and th are similar enough, aren't they?
Five75 Haiku (12:55:16 AM): I hear no difference between them, but my tongue is placed differently, so I really don't think it's a case of vocal cord vibration.
CheesesFreak (12:55:18 AM): One is the tongue, the other is the lip.
Five75 Haiku (12:55:30 AM): Yeah, but f is a fricative...th is... um... let me look on my chart.
Five75 Haiku (12:55:39 AM): (I hate international IPA terminology for location in the mouth.)
Five75 Haiku (12:56:30 AM): Mmkay.
Five75 Haiku (12:56:44 AM): F is a labio-dental voiceless fricative. V, on the other hand, is voiced.
Five75 Haiku (12:57:02 AM): The th in thigh is a voiceless interdental fricative, while the th in thy is voiced.
Five75 Haiku (12:57:04 AM): Ok?
CheesesFreak (12:57:18 AM): Um... 'k. ^_^;
CheesesFreak (12:57:21 AM): Ne, can I DC?
Five75 Haiku wants to directly connect (12:57:31 AM).
Five75 Haiku is now directly connected (12:57:31 AM).
Five75 Haiku (12:57:35 AM): Yeah, I find it very confusing.
Five75 Haiku (12:57:42 AM): But the difference is the placement in the mouth since they're all four fricatives.
CheesesFreak (12:57:47 AM):

CheesesFreak (12:57:52 AM): Version 0.1
Five75 Haiku (12:57:53 AM): :D
Five75 Haiku (12:57:55 AM): Excellent!
Five75 Haiku (12:57:59 AM): It's so cute and NES-ish!
CheesesFreak (12:58:03 AM): Haha. :P
Five75 Haiku (12:58:08 AM): S, z, sh, zh, and a few others not found in English are also fricatives.
CheesesFreak (12:58:28 AM): *fricasees some fricatives*
Five75 Haiku (12:58:33 AM): You should probably put a watermark or something on there that says Loerilaye, just in case.
Five75 Haiku (12:58:34 AM): :P
CheesesFreak (12:58:54 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (12:59:34 AM): Maybe Raffles . Loerilaye . Lottery :P
Five75 Haiku (1:00:25 AM): I wonder if you can do voiceless nasals...
CheesesFreak (1:00:33 AM): I'm thinking just a discreet signature in one of the corners.
Five75 Haiku (1:00:36 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (1:00:40 AM): Another good idea.
Five75 Haiku (1:00:50 AM): You've seen how I have that by Indorasu on my GK link image.
CheesesFreak (1:01:22 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (1:02:13 AM): I should call my mom tomorrow and say Happy Birthday.
CheesesFreak (1:03:20 AM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (1:03:47 AM): Ne.
CheesesFreak (1:03:51 AM): Incoming file transfer.
Five75 Haiku (1:03:54 AM): ok
CheesesFreak wants to send file D:\Downloads\eDonkey\Cake - Daria.mp3 (1:04:00 AM).
Five75 Haiku (1:04:06 AM): Should we download eDonkey?
CheesesFreak (1:04:13 AM): I'd recommend it.
CheesesFreak (1:04:14 AM): But.
Five75 Haiku (1:04:16 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (1:04:17 AM): o_O?
CheesesFreak (1:04:18 AM): eDonkey Lite.
Five75 Haiku (1:04:21 AM): *nod nod*
Five75 Haiku (1:04:24 AM): j00 gots .exe?
CheesesFreak (1:04:42 AM): I have an older EXE; it may bitch about needing to be updated, but it should be painless.
Five75 Haiku (1:04:49 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (1:05:06 AM): Maybe Saturday afternoon or something; I don't really want to mess with it too much.
Five75 Haiku (1:05:07 AM): Um.
Five75 Haiku received D:\Downloads\eDonkey\Cake - Daria.mp3 (1:05:22 AM).
Five75 Haiku (1:05:24 AM): I'm staying the night at Cai's tomorrow, then going to her family's annual party thing with her and Ben.
Five75 Haiku (1:05:28 AM): That's on Saturday.
Five75 Haiku (1:05:45 AM): Then Ben is driving us back and Mark should be able to pick me up from Cai's apartment, otherwise I'll ride the bus out to Aurora.
CheesesFreak (1:06:35 AM): Ok.
CheesesFreak (1:06:44 AM): Not much internet, then, huh?
Five75 Haiku (1:06:49 AM): Probably not, no.
Five75 Haiku (1:06:56 AM): I'd have to beg Cai to let me use the computer.
Five75 Haiku (1:07:05 AM): I may beg to have her let me do sponsor links Saturday morning.
CheesesFreak (1:07:56 AM): *nod* :-(
Five75 Haiku (1:08:09 AM): Meh.
Five75 Haiku (1:08:11 AM): *hugs*
Five75 Haiku (1:08:12 AM): Anywho.
Five75 Haiku (1:08:19 AM): More linguistics?
CheesesFreak (1:08:49 AM): *hugs*
Five75 Haiku (1:08:54 AM): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_typology
CheesesFreak (1:08:54 AM):

CheesesFreak (1:08:59 AM): There, barely noticeable.
Five75 Haiku (1:08:59 AM): Oh, cool.
Five75 Haiku (1:09:01 AM): Nicely done. ^_^
CheesesFreak (1:09:04 AM): ^_^
CheesesFreak (1:09:26 AM): I hope I don't take eons to do the shadows and smooth edges. --;
Five75 Haiku (1:09:38 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (1:10:06 AM): Mew?
CheesesFreak (1:10:53 AM): Myaa.
CheesesFreak (1:10:54 AM): Sorry.
CheesesFreak (1:11:00 AM): Updating signature on Gaia. ^_^
CheesesFreak (1:11:02 AM): http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b382/LordMarcus/lottolaye1.gif
Five75 Haiku (1:11:03 AM): Mmkay.
CheesesFreak (1:11:04 AM): For j00.
Five75 Haiku (1:11:05 AM): :D
Five75 Haiku (1:11:07 AM): Sankyuu.
Five75 Haiku (1:11:12 AM): Should I link from there?
CheesesFreak (1:11:29 AM): Yes.
Five75 Haiku (1:11:40 AM): Ok.
CheesesFreak (1:12:06 AM): Zuu...
CheesesFreak (1:12:10 AM): Okay, where were we?
Five75 Haiku (1:12:11 AM): Updating...
Five75 Haiku (1:12:14 AM): I dunno.
Five75 Haiku (1:12:20 AM): Should we leave morphology for a while and work on grammar?
CheesesFreak (1:12:21 AM): We'd dropped th.
CheesesFreak (1:12:26 AM): Yeah, probably.
CheesesFreak (1:12:33 AM): I'm in just a tiny bit over my head. ^^;
Five75 Haiku (1:12:34 AM): Or should we go to the in-between of morphology and grammar...
Five75 Haiku (1:12:38 AM): Where you actually begin to create words.
CheesesFreak (1:12:46 AM): Hum.
CheesesFreak (1:12:53 AM): Word creation, or sentence structure?
CheesesFreak (1:13:51 AM): Ack. --; Ne, let me go to the bathroom. BRB.
Five75 Haiku (1:13:55 AM): I dunno; I like sentence structure.
Five75 Haiku (1:13:56 AM): Aye.
Five75 Haiku (1:14:18 AM): You're linked in the quest thread now.
CheesesFreak (1:17:18 AM): ^_^ Sankyuu.
Five75 Haiku (1:17:23 AM): Mhm.
Five75 Haiku (1:17:32 AM): My main question is, what kind of grammar do you want?
CheesesFreak (1:17:34 AM): Let's go for sentence structure before word creation.
Five75 Haiku (1:17:49 AM): Do you want a case system like Russian and Latin and Gaelic where something in the words tells you their function?
CheesesFreak (1:18:06 AM): Do you have an example of that?
Five75 Haiku (1:18:10 AM): Do you want a pre or post position system like English, Japanese, and Chinese where separate words tell you what to do?
Five75 Haiku (1:18:11 AM): Um...
Five75 Haiku (1:18:23 AM): Okay, example: Litterae Margarae means "writings of Margara"
Five75 Haiku (1:18:35 AM): Or Margara's writings. It's the genitive, or possessive case.
CheesesFreak (1:18:36 AM): Aaah, I see,
Five75 Haiku (1:18:51 AM): As opposed to no in Japanese or the 's and of in English.
Five75 Haiku (1:19:10 AM): Most languages don't have two ways of writing possessives, btw. :P
CheesesFreak (1:19:14 AM): :P
CheesesFreak (1:19:19 AM): We're special. ^_^
CheesesFreak (1:19:28 AM): But, I think we only need one.
Five75 Haiku (1:19:41 AM): Do you want a system like English/French where the verbs inflect or like Chinese where a separate word gives you "tense"?
CheesesFreak (1:20:26 AM): I think I prefer verb inflection.
Five75 Haiku (1:20:33 AM): Ok.
Five75 Haiku (1:21:04 AM): So stuff like...
I am, you are, he/she/it is, we are, "y'all" are, they are
Right?
CheesesFreak (1:21:39 AM): :P Yes, just like that.
Five75 Haiku (1:21:41 AM): k
Five75 Haiku (1:21:45 AM): There are various ways to do that.
Five75 Haiku (1:21:49 AM): Affixes, I mean.
Five75 Haiku (1:21:54 AM): Prefixes, suffixes, and infixes.
CheesesFreak (1:22:03 AM): How do infixes work?
Five75 Haiku (1:22:10 AM): You put them inside the word, often in the root.
CheesesFreak (1:22:11 AM): I don't know that I've ever encountered one.
Five75 Haiku (1:22:19 AM): English doesn't use them.
Five75 Haiku (1:22:33 AM): Malagasy does, though.
Five75 Haiku (1:22:38 AM): Sorta.
Five75 Haiku (1:22:42 AM): I think they use more prefixes...
Five75 Haiku (1:22:52 AM): I don't really know of a language that uses infixes offhand. Turkish, I think.
CheesesFreak (1:22:58 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (1:23:09 AM): My second language, I decided to put the tense at the front of the verb for fun.
CheesesFreak (1:23:21 AM): Ooh.
CheesesFreak (1:23:24 AM): I like the sound of that.
Five75 Haiku (1:23:45 AM): I think mip- signified the ... thingy... dictionary form.
CheesesFreak (1:23:55 AM): o_O
CheesesFreak (1:24:02 AM): Thingy form.
Five75 Haiku (1:24:08 AM): Whatever the word is for verbs in the to be type format.
Five75 Haiku (1:24:16 AM): I can't think of the French word for it, either.
CheesesFreak (1:24:27 AM): Infinitive?
Five75 Haiku (1:24:27 AM): Just the term sensei used for Japanese verbs in that form.
Five75 Haiku (1:24:28 AM): Thanks.
CheesesFreak (1:24:34 AM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (1:24:47 AM): I don't really understand why it's called "infinitive."
CheesesFreak (1:24:50 AM): It's puzzling.
Five75 Haiku (1:24:50 AM): Hmm. Just how necessary are infinitives...
Five75 Haiku (1:24:51 AM): Unno.
Five75 Haiku (1:25:04 AM): You'd probably have to consult the etymological version of the OED.
CheesesFreak (1:25:09 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (1:25:26 AM): So.
Five75 Haiku (1:25:32 AM): You're thinking prefixes for tense markers.
Five75 Haiku (1:25:42 AM): At least some; not necessarily all.
CheesesFreak (1:25:54 AM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (1:26:27 AM): And, I definitely want the conjugation of the verb alone to be sufficient; I don't want to conjugate my nouns, or adjectives, or anything else. --;
Five75 Haiku (1:26:28 AM): Tense, aspect and mood... I hate those words. It's ALL tenses to me.
Five75 Haiku (1:26:45 AM): Declining nouns, actually, and making agreement with adjectives are the common terms. :P FYI.
Five75 Haiku (1:27:17 AM): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_tense
CheesesFreak (1:27:20 AM): Nouns declining and adjectives agreeing with tense verbs.
Five75 Haiku (1:27:56 AM): Yes. Well.
CheesesFreak (1:27:58 AM): Ack, such complication.
Five75 Haiku (1:28:01 AM): Yep.
Five75 Haiku (1:28:01 AM): ^_^
Five75 Haiku (1:28:06 AM): French has 14 tenses.
Five75 Haiku (1:28:09 AM): Portuguese has 21.
CheesesFreak (1:28:23 AM): Jesus.
CheesesFreak (1:28:32 AM): How many will we have?
Five75 Haiku (1:28:40 AM): English appears to have about 13.
Five75 Haiku (1:28:43 AM): www.verbix.com
Five75 Haiku (1:28:44 AM): :-)
Five75 Haiku (1:28:54 AM): 'Tis up to you.
CheesesFreak (1:29:20 AM): When we talk tense, what are we meaning, specifically?
CheesesFreak (1:29:33 AM): Isn't "imperative tense" just another form of present tense?
Five75 Haiku (1:29:35 AM): When I say tense, I tend to mean anything that has to do with verb conjugation.
Five75 Haiku (1:29:39 AM): SOrt of.
Five75 Haiku (1:29:49 AM): Remember how we had that argument about the existence of command forms of verbs?
CheesesFreak (1:29:52 AM): :P
CheesesFreak (1:29:54 AM): Yes.
Five75 Haiku (1:29:58 AM): That's just imperative; you drop the "you" and it becomes an order.
Five75 Haiku (1:30:23 AM): (I could have left off the unquoted you in that sentence and it would have been a more normal form of an imperative...)
CheesesFreak (1:30:33 AM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (1:30:50 AM): So, in English, a verb is imperative generally when spoken without a subject.
CheesesFreak (1:30:56 AM): And that subject is understood implicitly.
Five75 Haiku (1:31:03 AM): In most languages that use pronouns with verbs, yes.
Five75 Haiku (1:31:19 AM): In Japanese, it's just another form of the verb since they don't tend to use the pronouns in the first place for social reasons.
CheesesFreak (1:31:26 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (1:31:38 AM): So the command form of kaeru (to return [to a place of origination]) is kaerou.
CheesesFreak (1:31:50 AM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (1:32:10 AM): But the command form of "return" would be "return," and would be dependant on the existence of a subject in the sentence.
Five75 Haiku (1:32:13 AM): In French, aller, to go, has two conjugations in imperative form because they still differentiate between singular and plural you.
CheesesFreak (1:32:18 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (1:32:37 AM): Um... Yeah. O_O A sentence isn't a complete sentence unless it has a subject... :P
Five75 Haiku (1:32:57 AM): Va is the singular/familiar, while allez is the plural/formal.
Five75 Haiku (1:33:47 AM): But it becomes Vas-y (go there) if you add the preposition y (there), and allez-y, where you use elision or liaision (I never learned the difference) and actually voice the z...
Five75 Haiku (1:33:50 AM): And the s.
Five75 Haiku (1:33:53 AM): */babbling*
CheesesFreak (1:33:56 AM): ^_^
Five75 Haiku (1:34:19 AM): Another thing.
Five75 Haiku (1:34:26 AM): You know what subjunctive mood is, yes?
CheesesFreak (1:34:31 AM): Sort of?
Five75 Haiku (1:34:35 AM): Same. :P
Five75 Haiku (1:34:44 AM): "If only he were here!" is subjunctive.
Five75 Haiku (1:34:51 AM): It indicates a possibility, or a hope or a desire.
Five75 Haiku (1:35:06 AM): And in most languages it has a special conjugation. Which I think is stupid.
CheesesFreak (1:35:31 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (1:35:40 AM): But it's not my choice. :P
CheesesFreak (1:36:01 AM): :P It's your language, too, you know.
Five75 Haiku (1:36:19 AM): Yeah, but I've made languages before. I'm just telling you what I know and guiding you, really. I can learn languages easily.
CheesesFreak (1:36:20 AM): But, I wonder: Can we just have a few tenses, and let the words around a particular tense further define it's meaning?
CheesesFreak (1:36:24 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (1:36:31 AM): "If I were you" ... our subjunctive is being replaced by the regular conjugation, thank goodness...
Five75 Haiku (1:36:34 AM): Um... possibly?
Five75 Haiku (1:36:45 AM): Like a mix between an isolating and an inflecting verb structure?
CheesesFreak (1:36:58 AM): Like, if we really want a future perfect tense, instead of "I will have gone," it could be "Later, I have gone." Or something similar.
CheesesFreak (1:37:22 AM): Or, if more specific, "Tomorrow, I have gone;" or "At 3:00, I have gone."
Five75 Haiku (1:37:26 AM): Or maybe "Later I have gone [word indicating possibility, like "maybe]"?
CheesesFreak (1:37:37 AM): That would work if it's not definitive.
Five75 Haiku (1:37:38 AM): Sure. And markers for past/future.
Five75 Haiku (1:37:41 AM): Oh?
CheesesFreak (1:38:08 AM): I mean, like, if you have every intention of going, you can speak the sentence as if you've already gone. "Tomorrow, I have gone."
Five75 Haiku (1:38:19 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (1:38:26 AM): Crap.
Five75 Haiku (1:38:29 AM): AFK. Stomach hates me.
CheesesFreak (1:38:29 AM): I wouldn't throw possibility into the mix unless there's some reason to suspect one might not go.
CheesesFreak (1:38:31 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (1:38:32 AM): Maybe gone for a bit.
CheesesFreak (1:38:38 AM): Stomach, be nice to Meg. >:\
CheesesFreak (1:40:33 AM): Or, even more simply, "Tomorrow, I went."
CheesesFreak (1:40:57 AM): So, just the three "simple" past, present, and future tenses, with qualifiying terms.
CheesesFreak (1:42:49 AM): Although... hmm.
Five75 Haiku (1:45:35 AM): Another thought...
Five75 Haiku (1:46:16 AM): Do you want to require the use of pronouns with the verb conjugations like English and French (I went/je suis all�e) or incorporate the person marker into the verb itself like Spanish and Latin?
Five75 Haiku (1:46:38 AM): (Amo/hablo - I like, I speak)
CheesesFreak (1:47:12 AM): If we do the latter, I would want it to be consistent, at least in the beginning.
Five75 Haiku (1:47:15 AM): Personally, I dislike learning a ton of verb conjugations, but that keeps things very similar to English.
Five75 Haiku (1:47:16 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (1:47:22 AM): So very few irregular verbs?
CheesesFreak (1:47:29 AM): To start, yeah.
Five75 Haiku (1:47:31 AM): kay.
Five75 Haiku (1:47:34 AM): My advice:
CheesesFreak (1:47:39 AM): We can get irregular when we get more into it.
Five75 Haiku (1:47:46 AM): Certain verbs, in nearly every language I know, are irregular.
Five75 Haiku (1:47:55 AM): In particular, to be and to have tend to be the most irregular.
CheesesFreak (1:48:00 AM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (1:48:02 AM): I wonder why.
Five75 Haiku (1:48:17 AM): I believe it's because they're used so often in the language and thus are subject to the most change.
CheesesFreak (1:48:31 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (1:48:42 AM): Look at desu (aru), for one.
Five75 Haiku (1:49:22 AM): aru, arimasu, arimashita, ja arimasen, ja arimasen deshita, atta, ja nai, ja nakatta. :P
CheesesFreak (1:49:33 AM): :P
Five75 Haiku (1:49:37 AM): desu, deshita...
Five75 Haiku (1:49:45 AM): See what I mean?
CheesesFreak (1:49:48 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (1:50:26 AM): In French, to have is avoir in the infinitive.
Five75 Haiku (1:50:37 AM): j'ai, tu as, il/elle/on a, nous avons, vous avez, ils/elles ont
CheesesFreak (1:50:41 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (1:50:47 AM): It follows some rules, but note the change in root.
CheesesFreak (1:51:06 AM): Significant changes.
Five75 Haiku (1:51:14 AM): j'avais, tu avais, il/elle/on avait, nous avions, vous aviez, ils/elles avaient
Five75 Haiku (1:51:43 AM): j'aurai, tu auras, il/elle/on aurait, nous aurons, vous aurez, ils/elles auront ... I think.
Five75 Haiku (1:51:44 AM): :P
CheesesFreak (1:51:48 AM): :D
CheesesFreak (1:51:57 AM): This is alot to think about.
Five75 Haiku (1:51:59 AM): Yup.
CheesesFreak (1:52:14 AM): You sure you're okay with me having so much control over choosing what's what?
Five75 Haiku (1:52:17 AM): Mhm.
CheesesFreak (1:52:19 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (1:52:31 AM): I have at least five languages in various stages.
Five75 Haiku (1:52:48 AM): Letting you have the majority of control and keeping an advisory status means I have less work. ^_~
CheesesFreak (1:52:52 AM): :P
Five75 Haiku (1:52:58 AM): And it's more fun to see what you decide.
CheesesFreak (1:53:01 AM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (1:53:26 AM): So many possibilities...
Five75 Haiku (1:53:33 AM): :-)
Five75 Haiku (1:53:46 AM): You should play around on that site that showcases languages a little.
CheesesFreak (1:53:49 AM): I like where I was going as far as verb tense goes, but I think I made it too simple.
Five75 Haiku (1:53:50 AM): See what kind of grammars people use.
Five75 Haiku (1:53:54 AM): Oh?
CheesesFreak (1:53:54 AM): Why would I need to say "Tomorrow, I went?"
Five75 Haiku (1:53:58 AM): Why not?
CheesesFreak (1:54:02 AM): True.
Five75 Haiku (1:54:03 AM): Your language can be complex in other ways.
CheesesFreak (1:54:09 AM): Why would I need to say "I will have gone?"
CheesesFreak (1:54:34 AM): I guess it's just another way of saying "At some point, I intend to go."
CheesesFreak (1:54:58 AM): And, the way I have it, it can be explicit or vague.
Five75 Haiku (1:55:01 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (1:55:03 AM): Verb noun: canu
Verbal adjective: canadwy

Indicative

Subjunctive

Present
1 sg. cana(f)
2 sg. cani
3 sg. c�n
1 pl. canwn
2 pl. canwch
3 pl. canan(t)
Impers. canir

Past
1 sg. canais
2 sg. canaist
3 sg. canodd
1 pl. canasom
2 pl. canasoch
3 pl. canasan(t)
Impers. canwyd

Pluperfect
1 sg. canaswn
2 sg. canasit
3 sg. canasai
1 pl. canasem
2 pl. canasech
3 pl. canasen(t)
Impers. canasid

Imperfect
1 sg. canwn
2 sg. canit
3 sg. canai
1 pl. canem
2 pl. canech
3 pl. canen(t)
Impers. canid

Present
1 sg. canwy(f)
2 sg. canych
3 sg. cano
1 pl. canom
2 pl. canoch
3 pl. canon(t)
Impers. caner

Past
1 sg. canwn
2 sg. canit
3 sg. canai
1 pl. canem
2 pl. canech
3 pl. canen(t)
Impers. canid
Imperative

2 sg. c�n
3 sg. caned
1 pl. canwn
2 pl. canwch
3 pl. canen(t)
Impers. caner
Five75 Haiku (1:55:03 AM): :P
Five75 Haiku (1:55:06 AM): Randomness...
CheesesFreak (1:55:22 AM): We'll just know that it's either past, present, or future, relative to whatever particular chrono-adjective we give to it.
CheesesFreak (1:55:39 AM): Um... thingy.
CheesesFreak (1:55:45 AM): Language.
Five75 Haiku (1:55:45 AM): Welsh.
CheesesFreak (1:55:48 AM): Yes.
Five75 Haiku (1:55:54 AM): You know some Welsh? o_O
CheesesFreak (1:56:04 AM): I've seen some of your stuff about it.
Five75 Haiku (1:56:08 AM): Or did the -wy on the verb adjective give it away?
Five75 Haiku (1:56:09 AM): Uh...
Five75 Haiku (1:56:11 AM): My stuff?
Five75 Haiku (1:56:14 AM): I don't know any Welsh.
CheesesFreak (1:56:17 AM): You've had some Welsh things before.
CheesesFreak (1:56:20 AM): Haven't you? o_o
Five75 Haiku (1:56:23 AM): I know a teensy bit about Scots Gaelic.
CheesesFreak (1:56:24 AM): Or looked at some?
CheesesFreak (1:56:27 AM): Or shown me some?
CheesesFreak (1:56:32 AM): Maybe Gaelic is what I'm thinking of.
Five75 Haiku (1:56:36 AM): Which is the same family. But Welsh is pure evil. It uses ll as a vowel.
CheesesFreak (1:56:43 AM): o_o
Five75 Haiku (1:57:25 AM): Huh. It has both types of th...
Five75 Haiku (1:57:41 AM): And it has "monophthongs" ... wtf are those?
CheesesFreak (1:57:54 AM): di-, mono-
CheesesFreak (1:58:02 AM): But, you got me. o_o
CheesesFreak (1:58:13 AM): I don't even really know what a diphthong is.
Five75 Haiku (1:59:05 AM): A diphthong is a combination of two vowels in a sort of glide. I mentally compare it to when you play one note on an instrument and switch to another in the same breath.
Five75 Haiku (1:59:16 AM): Like "I" is a diphthong, linguistically speaking.
Five75 Haiku (1:59:24 AM): So are -ow and -oy.
Five75 Haiku (1:59:27 AM): Bow, boy.
CheesesFreak (1:59:36 AM): Because it rolls down from an "I" to an "e" sound?
Five75 Haiku (1:59:43 AM): Yeah.
CheesesFreak (1:59:54 AM): ...then what the hell IS a monophthong? O_o
Five75 Haiku (2:00:00 AM): "I mentally compare it to when you play one note on an instrument and switch to another in the same breath." ...without articulating... or tonguing...
Five75 Haiku (2:00:01 AM): I dunno.
Five75 Haiku (2:00:08 AM): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_language
CheesesFreak (2:00:08 AM): Slur?
Five75 Haiku (2:00:13 AM): Yeah. A slur.
CheesesFreak (2:00:16 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (2:00:20 AM): I'm losing my musical terminology.
Five75 Haiku (2:00:43 AM): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monophthong
CheesesFreak (2:01:11 AM): Ah, ok.
Five75 Haiku (2:01:17 AM): My brain.
CheesesFreak (2:01:25 AM): "Short" vowel sounds would be monophthongs.
Five75 Haiku (2:01:55 AM): *brain explodes* :P
CheesesFreak (2:02:20 AM): *scoops it all up in a bucket and funnels it back in through your ear*
Five75 Haiku (2:02:41 AM): http://www.langmaker.com/db/eng_a2z_index.htm
Five75 Haiku (2:02:44 AM): Heh.
CheesesFreak (2:03:05 AM): Are there no triphthongs in English?
Five75 Haiku (2:03:24 AM): Unno.
Five75 Haiku (2:03:32 AM): Psst.
CheesesFreak (2:03:34 AM): Na?
Five75 Haiku (2:03:41 AM): Pronouns?
CheesesFreak (2:04:03 AM): Hmm.
Five75 Haiku (2:04:57 AM): *snerk*
Five75 Haiku (2:05:05 AM): Maaaan, there's so many details to worry about.
Five75 Haiku (2:05:16 AM): Inclusive/exclusive/dual forms for you and we...
Five75 Haiku (2:05:33 AM): Singular/plural/formal/informal...
Five75 Haiku (2:05:36 AM): *grin*
CheesesFreak (2:06:09 AM): Well, if I were looking at it from a "clean slate" as far as the language goes, I would be thinking that the purpose of a pronoun is to simplify the addressing of a set; so, instead of having to address each person individually in a group, you would have things like "we" or "us" or "you all." I don't know that it would occur to me to have any singular pronouns.
Five75 Haiku (2:06:32 AM): Ok.
Five75 Haiku (2:06:44 AM): So no word for I, he, she, it, one, or you (sing)?
CheesesFreak (2:06:50 AM): Right.
Five75 Haiku (2:06:57 AM): That makes for a neat rule. o_O
CheesesFreak (2:07:02 AM): :D
Five75 Haiku (2:07:24 AM): One of the weirdest I've ever heard of, but, hey. :P
CheesesFreak (2:07:28 AM): ^_____^
CheesesFreak (2:07:49 AM): This would also have a cultural impact.
Five75 Haiku (2:08:00 AM): Very much so.
CheesesFreak (2:08:07 AM): Without pronouns, it becomes important to know the other party's name.
Five75 Haiku (2:08:20 AM): Or have a specific form of address to replace the pronouns.
CheesesFreak (2:08:23 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (2:08:49 AM): Like in Malagasy, where Ra- preceeds a verb/adjective or combination and marks that you're talking about a person, rather like adding -san or Mr./Ms./Mrs. to a name.
Five75 Haiku (2:08:59 AM): Rafotsy means "Mrs. White," roughly.
CheesesFreak (2:09:09 AM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (2:09:28 AM): So, some sort of contextual way of referring to a person if their name is not known?
CheesesFreak (2:09:55 AM): Like, something about or on their person?
Five75 Haiku (2:10:21 AM): Mhm.
Five75 Haiku (2:10:38 AM): Or possibly Ra[gemeral word meaning girl] as another possibility.
CheesesFreak (2:10:48 AM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (2:11:04 AM): That would work.
Five75 Haiku (2:11:10 AM): Context is very important in this case.
CheesesFreak (2:11:32 AM): Although I think it would be interesting to refer to someone as "Mr. Brown Hair" or "Mr. Crazy Red Shirt."
Five75 Haiku (2:11:38 AM): Yup.
CheesesFreak (2:12:37 AM): Maybe you could even address someone in the position in which they are appearing, like addressing a company's exec as "Mr. [company]."
Five75 Haiku (2:12:42 AM): Ooh, yeah.
Five75 Haiku (2:12:53 AM): Wow, flashback to reading Jennifer Government. :P
CheesesFreak (2:12:56 AM): :D
CheesesFreak (2:13:02 AM): I still need to read that.
Five75 Haiku (2:13:04 AM): You do.
Five75 Haiku (2:13:10 AM): It was a fun negative utopia novel.
CheesesFreak (2:13:21 AM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (2:13:39 AM): I would be "Mr. Pizza Hut." :P
Five75 Haiku (2:14:30 AM): I'd be "Ms. Metro"? Or "Ms. Financial Aid"?
Five75 Haiku (2:14:46 AM): And would you put in something to differentiate yourself from your coworkers, like Mr. Hates Pizza Hut?
CheesesFreak (2:14:51 AM): I'd say Ms. Metro.
Five75 Haiku (2:14:53 AM): :P
Five75 Haiku (2:15:00 AM): Ms. Metro Fin-Aid Workstudy?
CheesesFreak (2:15:21 AM): :P It may be one of those things that just happens, and everybody starts to refer to it as one thing.
Five75 Haiku (2:15:36 AM): Maybe.
CheesesFreak (2:15:41 AM): Like "Band-Aid" becoming the generic term for bandage.
Five75 Haiku (2:15:43 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (2:15:45 AM): I wonder...
Five75 Haiku (2:16:03 AM): Would you have special add-in terms for people who are high up or very new in a company?
Five75 Haiku (2:16:13 AM): Like, Mr. Owns Pizza Hut or Ms. New Employee?
CheesesFreak (2:16:31 AM): You could; but that would then also be a matter of context, since only people within the company might know that information.
Five75 Haiku (2:16:43 AM): *nod nod*
Five75 Haiku (2:16:48 AM): ^_^_^_^
Five75 Haiku (2:16:51 AM): I never would have thought of doing this.
CheesesFreak (2:17:02 AM): So, while a trainee might be "Mr. Trainee" at work, he'd still be "Mr. Pizza Hut" to the customer.
CheesesFreak (2:17:07 AM): ^___^
Five75 Haiku (2:17:22 AM): Yup.
Five75 Haiku (2:17:29 AM): Ms. Linguist. :P
Five75 Haiku (2:17:32 AM): Mr. Conlanger.
CheesesFreak (2:17:34 AM): :P
CheesesFreak (2:18:53 AM): Okay, so we've got our alphabet (in general)... verb tenses... the pronoun situation worked out w/ heavy context...
Five75 Haiku (2:18:56 AM): :-)
Five75 Haiku (2:19:11 AM): So if you submit your language to langmaker.com, you'd have to list a ton of languages as sources. ^_~
CheesesFreak (2:19:17 AM): :D
Five75 Haiku (2:19:21 AM): Malagasy for one.
CheesesFreak (2:19:21 AM): I'll just list you.
Five75 Haiku (2:19:25 AM): No way, dude.
CheesesFreak (2:19:28 AM): :P
Five75 Haiku (2:19:29 AM): :P
CheesesFreak (2:19:36 AM): The catch-all for all languages.
Five75 Haiku (2:19:40 AM): I still ought to create that language that has ONE verb.
CheesesFreak (2:19:45 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (2:19:56 AM): I think it'd be an isolating language.
CheesesFreak (2:19:59 AM): How do you differentiate between "to do" and "to be"?
Five75 Haiku (2:20:15 AM): To do vs. to do exist. :P
CheesesFreak (2:20:26 AM): ...you've fired up the linguistic sector of my brain.
Five75 Haiku (2:20:27 AM): I was just thinking about that, too.
CheesesFreak (2:20:27 AM): I can tell.
Five75 Haiku (2:20:31 AM): Excellent!
CheesesFreak (2:20:55 AM): I surprised myself by thinking about that question right off the bat.
Five75 Haiku (2:21:03 AM): Now you see why there are weird little scribbles in the margins of my English notes about "what if I did this with a language"?
Five75 Haiku (2:21:06 AM): :-)
CheesesFreak (2:21:08 AM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (2:21:38 AM): And, before, with the plural-only-pronouns.
CheesesFreak (2:22:00 AM): I don't know how I came up with that idea at all, except that it just seemed like a sound idea.
Five75 Haiku (2:22:09 AM): And you put it in its proper context.
Five75 Haiku (2:22:14 AM): That is, social rules.
CheesesFreak (2:22:28 AM): Like, why do we even need pronouns? "Well, to simplify." "But why simplify if you already have names?" "Well... simplify if you have lots of names."
CheesesFreak (2:22:33 AM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (2:22:55 AM): This is fun. ^^^^
Five75 Haiku (2:23:07 AM): Hee hee hee.
Five75 Haiku (2:23:16 AM): I still like inclusive/exclusive we words.
CheesesFreak (2:23:57 AM): What is the difference?
Five75 Haiku (2:24:08 AM): We as in you and me, or we as in me and this other person but not you.
Five75 Haiku (2:24:11 AM): :-)
CheesesFreak (2:24:34 AM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (2:24:50 AM): I like that idea, too.
Five75 Haiku (2:25:03 AM): http://www.langmaker.com/db/mdl_borg.htm
CheesesFreak (2:25:46 AM): ~~
CheesesFreak (2:25:52 AM): I thought the Borg spoke a machine language.
CheesesFreak (2:26:14 AM): Like, digital strings, or maybe analog.
Five75 Haiku (2:26:20 AM): Unno.
Five75 Haiku (2:26:22 AM): But is amusing.
Five75 Haiku (2:26:26 AM): Too bad the site doesn't work.
CheesesFreak (2:26:35 AM): But with a theoretically limitless range of "sound."
CheesesFreak (2:26:36 AM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (2:26:38 AM): Yeah.
Five75 Haiku (2:26:58 AM): ^^:
Five75 Haiku (2:27:05 AM): Colorless green ideas sleep furiously.
CheesesFreak (2:27:16 AM): o_O
Five75 Haiku (2:27:31 AM): Chomsky.
CheesesFreak (2:28:01 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (2:28:27 AM): :-)
Five75 Haiku (2:28:38 AM): The sentence is syntactically sound, but makes zero sense.
CheesesFreak (2:29:01 AM): ...or DOES it? :P
Five75 Haiku (2:29:32 AM): Well, how is an idea colorless and green at the same time?
Five75 Haiku (2:29:36 AM): And how does an idea sleep?
Five75 Haiku (2:29:45 AM): On top of that, how does anything sleep furiously?
CheesesFreak (2:30:05 AM): Well, that might depend on how you define "furiously."
Five75 Haiku (2:30:15 AM): Plus, how can an idea be green?
Five75 Haiku (2:30:19 AM): Or colorless? Or both?
Five75 Haiku (2:30:24 AM): ...
Five75 Haiku (2:30:27 AM): Although...
Five75 Haiku (2:30:30 AM): My brain has so shut down!
Five75 Haiku (2:30:31 AM): :D
CheesesFreak (2:30:43 AM): If something has the property that it can reflect green light, but there is no light for it to reflect, is the object still green?
CheesesFreak (2:30:59 AM): Myao. ^_^
Five75 Haiku (2:31:09 AM): How zen.
Five75 Haiku (2:31:10 AM): http://web.archive.org/web/19970210063113/http://www.bible.org/bibsac/5574/57d6.htm
CheesesFreak (2:31:10 AM): Mine's getting there. I'm on towards exhausted.
CheesesFreak (2:31:24 AM): But I'm having too much fun. ^_^
Five75 Haiku is away at 2:31:36 AM.
Five75 Haiku returned at 2:31:41 AM.
Five75 Haiku (2:31:48 AM): There. Now it's an away message.
CheesesFreak (2:32:13 AM): Mao?
Five75 Haiku (2:32:20 AM): I saved it as an away message.
Five75 Haiku (2:32:21 AM): :P
CheesesFreak (2:32:22 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (2:32:38 AM): I want to change my MSN name to the Chomsky phrase. But Mark's on Trillian.
Five75 Haiku (2:32:41 AM): Hmm....
Five75 Haiku (2:33:27 AM): So. Tomorrow. Think up some words. :P
CheesesFreak (2:33:35 AM): Ok. Invent some vocabulary?
CheesesFreak (2:34:02 AM): Hum.
CheesesFreak (2:34:07 AM): Will have to think where to start. ^_^
CheesesFreak (2:34:13 AM): Obviously "to be" comes to mind.
Five75 Haiku (2:34:13 AM): Yep.
Five75 Haiku (2:34:15 AM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (2:34:18 AM): And "to do."
Five75 Haiku (2:34:20 AM): But nouns are a bit easier.
Five75 Haiku (2:34:40 AM): Since you haven't decided exactly HOW you want to conjugate, or even what sort of vowel and consonant combinations aren't possible.
CheesesFreak (2:34:42 AM): How do I invent words without making them sound completely unnatural?
Five75 Haiku (2:35:17 AM): *laughs*
Five75 Haiku (2:35:28 AM): You may have to do some research.
Five75 Haiku (2:35:39 AM): I've seen little Javascript applications that'll make words for you, but I can't bloody find them again.
CheesesFreak (2:36:02 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (2:36:05 AM): I've also seen some that'll transform your words in various ways, like you tell it "words with a p as the third letter, over time, have that p turn into a t"... :P
Five75 Haiku (2:36:14 AM): It's a good way to "age" your language.
CheesesFreak (2:36:24 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (2:36:50 AM): If I could just BLOODY find them again.
CheesesFreak (2:36:55 AM): I will work on it and come up with something for tomorrow.
Five75 Haiku (2:36:59 AM): Ok.
CheesesFreak (2:37:12 AM): When's the next time you and I might get a sit down like this again, though?
CheesesFreak (2:37:14 AM): Saturday night?
Five75 Haiku (2:37:17 AM): Probably.
CheesesFreak (2:37:19 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (2:37:19 AM): At the earliest.
Five75 Haiku (2:37:27 AM): Sunday I'll have to do homework....
Five75 Haiku (2:37:31 AM): So yeah.
CheesesFreak (2:37:34 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (2:37:39 AM): Do you have webspace, like on Angelfire?
CheesesFreak (2:37:43 AM): Yes.
Five75 Haiku (2:37:55 AM): That's a good place to post this stuff. :P
CheesesFreak (2:37:58 AM): *nodnod*
CheesesFreak (2:38:05 AM): I will do.
CheesesFreak (2:38:40 AM): *so sleepy*
CheesesFreak (2:38:44 AM): My eyes hurt. ><
Five75 Haiku (2:38:46 AM): :-(
Five75 Haiku (2:38:54 AM): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_order
Five75 Haiku (2:39:00 AM): Phrase Word Orders is important.
Five75 Haiku (2:39:05 AM): I've kept meaning to look more into it.
CheesesFreak (2:39:22 AM): I like the sound of OSV.
Five75 Haiku (2:39:30 AM): *eyeroll*
CheesesFreak (2:39:33 AM): :P
Five75 Haiku (2:39:56 AM): HOMG, I WANT.
Five75 Haiku (2:39:56 AM): http://www.langmaker.com/db/rsc_alphabetsynthesismach.htm
Five75 Haiku (2:40:21 AM): I should use this to create a font of my alphabet!
CheesesFreak (2:40:38 AM): :D
CheesesFreak (2:40:46 AM): *is taking a look at it, too*
Five75 Haiku (2:40:50 AM): *nod nod nod nod*
Five75 Haiku (2:42:29 AM): http://www.langmaker.com/db/rsc_dublexcompoundinteres.htm
Five75 Haiku (2:42:31 AM): You need that.
Five75 Haiku (2:42:33 AM): ;:
Five75 Haiku (2:43:16 AM): http://www.artlangs.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=35&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0&POSTNUKESID=d74d129221fd2daecfcd7846cdd0a924
Five75 Haiku (2:43:22 AM): I'm just going to link you to the whole Internet, k?
CheesesFreak (2:43:30 AM): :D
CheesesFreak (2:43:36 AM): http://*
CheesesFreak (2:43:54 AM): *tries out the spreadsheet*
Five75 Haiku (2:44:05 AM): :-)
CheesesFreak (2:44:44 AM): *does the example first*
Five75 Haiku (2:45:18 AM): *nod nod*
Five75 Haiku (2:45:46 AM): http://www.nkuitse.com/conlang/glosses/
CheesesFreak (2:46:22 AM): Hmm.
CheesesFreak (2:46:29 AM): The spreadsheet seems a bit clunky.
Five75 Haiku (2:46:32 AM): For very much later future reference...
Five75 Haiku (2:46:33 AM): Oh?
Five75 Haiku (2:46:38 AM): Could you make it better?
CheesesFreak (2:46:45 AM): No, probably not.
CheesesFreak (2:47:00 AM): It works well within the limitations of Excel.
Five75 Haiku (2:47:07 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (2:47:08 AM): Mwee hee...
CheesesFreak (2:47:09 AM): And the guy who wrote it is pretty smart.
Five75 Haiku (2:47:16 AM): Idioms.
Five75 Haiku (2:47:18 AM): ^_^ ph33r.
Five75 Haiku (2:47:29 AM): I've seen people advise conlangers not to create idioms for their languages.
Five75 Haiku (2:47:36 AM): But that makes the language far more stilted.
CheesesFreak (2:47:41 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (2:47:45 AM): zompist.com says to make them, I think.
Five75 Haiku (2:47:49 AM): Like "chewing on bees" or something.
CheesesFreak (2:47:55 AM): o_O
Five75 Haiku (2:48:01 AM): Did I tell you I came up with a good random phrase at NDK?
CheesesFreak (2:48:05 AM): Mebbe?
Five75 Haiku (2:48:06 AM): Vaguely related to this.
Five75 Haiku (2:48:11 AM): I'ma go Tonberry on your ass. :P
CheesesFreak (2:49:06 AM): o_O
CheesesFreak (2:49:10 AM): Kowai. :P
Five75 Haiku (2:49:15 AM): ^_~ Very.
Five75 Haiku (2:49:58 AM): HOMG.
Five75 Haiku (2:50:05 AM): http://www.bartleby.com/61/IEroots.html
Five75 Haiku (2:50:08 AM): <3
Five75 Haiku (2:50:10 AM): This. Is. Helpful.
Five75 Haiku (2:50:23 AM): I want to make a derivative Indo-European language.
CheesesFreak (2:50:24 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (2:50:38 AM): A distant, red-headed step-child cousin type language to today's languages.
CheesesFreak (2:50:48 AM): :P
CheesesFreak (2:51:14 AM): So many links to cull through. ^_^
Five75 Haiku (2:51:28 AM): I may ask you to send me the log file from this conversation to put on my login on this machine.
CheesesFreak (2:51:33 AM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (2:51:41 AM): Will do.
Five75 Haiku (2:52:19 AM): OOOOH!
Five75 Haiku (2:52:21 AM): Onomatopoeia.
Five75 Haiku (2:52:28 AM): <3 onomatopoeia.
CheesesFreak (2:52:30 AM): ^_^
Five75 Haiku (2:52:48 AM): http://www.langmaker.com/db/rsc_onlinewordgenerator.htm
Five75 Haiku (2:53:00 AM): I think that's the site I was after...
Five75 Haiku (2:53:12 AM): Close, but not actually it. Nuts.
Five75 Haiku (2:53:39 AM): http://www.kisa.ca/cock.html
Five75 Haiku (2:53:44 AM): http://www.kisa.ca/pussy.html
CheesesFreak (2:54:24 AM): Hahaha, I found a bug in the little alphabet-generator script.
Five75 Haiku (2:54:36 AM): Oh?
CheesesFreak (2:54:46 AM): I wound up from "z" as my starting glyph to almost every character being nothing more than a dot.
Five75 Haiku (2:55:10 AM): AH HA!
Five75 Haiku (2:55:15 AM): http://www.fantasist.net/soundchange.shtml
Five75 Haiku (2:55:17 AM): Good to know.
Five75 Haiku (2:55:31 AM): Wow, I can understand how to do that a lot better onw.
Five75 Haiku (2:55:34 AM): *now
Five75 Haiku (2:55:36 AM): It's written linguistically. :P
CheesesFreak (2:56:12 AM): There are so many tools out there.
Five75 Haiku (2:56:17 AM): Yup.
Five75 Haiku (2:56:21 AM): Conlanging is popular.
CheesesFreak (2:56:42 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (2:58:18 AM): frequency.html
Five75 Haiku (2:58:32 AM): It's a text file on the original website but written as HTML, so I changed the extension and saved it.
CheesesFreak (2:58:53 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (2:59:33 AM): Tee hee. They list Klingon.
CheesesFreak (2:59:40 AM): :D
Five75 Haiku (3:00:28 AM): http://www.zompist.com/sounds.htm
How to use a dialectizer...
Five75 Haiku (3:02:48 AM): Okay.
Five75 Haiku (3:02:53 AM): I know I've given you TONS to read and think about.
CheesesFreak (3:03:07 AM): :P
Five75 Haiku (3:03:07 AM): My major advise: read everything you can on zompist.com.
CheesesFreak (3:03:11 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (3:03:15 AM): It's the most helpful site I've ever found on this stuff.
CheesesFreak (3:03:21 AM): ...you spelled it in the British way.
CheesesFreak (3:03:29 AM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (3:04:07 AM): Are you tired?
Five75 Haiku (3:04:21 AM): Ha ha ha.
Five75 Haiku (3:04:22 AM): Yes.
Five75 Haiku (3:04:23 AM): I'm very tired.
Five75 Haiku (3:04:29 AM): I was thinking advise, the verb.
CheesesFreak (3:04:29 AM): *nod* Me, too.
CheesesFreak (3:04:34 AM): *nod*
Five75 Haiku (3:04:38 AM): Literally.
CheesesFreak (3:04:50 AM): Does it work like that?
Five75 Haiku (3:05:59 AM): What?
Five75 Haiku (3:06:02 AM): In my brain?
Five75 Haiku (3:06:09 AM): Keeping advise and advice straight for spelling purposes?
Five75 Haiku (3:06:10 AM): Yes.
CheesesFreak (3:06:20 AM): I meant in the context of that sentence.
CheesesFreak (3:06:28 AM): Can one say "My major advise:"?
CheesesFreak (3:06:40 AM): I've forgotten how to tell. o_o
Five75 Haiku (3:07:00 AM): Oh.
Five75 Haiku (3:07:03 AM): I dunno.
CheesesFreak (3:07:47 AM): I should poke around some more with the alphabet generator; see what it takes to get good, visually appealing characters from the algorithm.
CheesesFreak (3:07:54 AM): In fact, I should do lots of things. o_o
CheesesFreak (3:07:58 AM): But, vocabulary.
CheesesFreak (3:08:06 AM): I'll have some vocabulary done.
Five75 Haiku (3:08:12 AM): Ok. :-)
Five75 Haiku (3:08:23 AM): It's much more fun when you start playing with word order.
CheesesFreak (3:08:59 AM): *nod*
CheesesFreak (3:09:10 AM): When we have words, we can mess around with word order with words. :P
Five75 Haiku (3:09:23 AM): Yup.
CheesesFreak (3:11:42 AM): Zuu.
CheesesFreak (3:11:45 AM): *hug*
Five75 Haiku (3:11:52 AM): *hugs*
Five75 Haiku (3:11:53 AM): Sleep?
CheesesFreak (3:11:58 AM): I think so.
CheesesFreak (3:12:12 AM): In fact, yeah.
Five75 Haiku (3:12:13 AM): Me, too.
CheesesFreak (3:12:20 AM): I'm falling asleep at the keyboard. o_o
Five75 Haiku (3:12:22 AM): Talk to you tomorrow around 1:30ish?
Five75 Haiku (3:12:23 AM): Me too.
CheesesFreak (3:12:33 AM): *nod* I ought to be on around then.
CheesesFreak (3:12:51 AM): But, I might have just woken up around then, so I may not have many words.
Five75 Haiku (3:13:03 AM): Ok.
Five75 Haiku (3:13:07 AM): I probably will want to fish. :P
CheesesFreak (3:13:10 AM): But I should have more by the end of the night; and, if you're not around, I'll put all my notes up on Angelfire and mail you a link.
CheesesFreak (3:13:12 AM): ^_^
Five75 Haiku (3:13:50 AM): Ok. :D
Five75 Haiku (3:13:52 AM): Sounds great.
Five75 Haiku (3:13:56 AM): Talk to you later then.
Five75 Haiku (3:14:01 AM): Nighters.
CheesesFreak (3:14:01 AM): Bonne nuit, Meg.
Five75 Haiku (3:14:09 AM): Oyasumi nasai, Maakkkun.
Five75 Haiku (3:14:12 AM): ...Triple k!
CheesesFreak (3:14:13 AM): :P
Five75 Haiku is away at 3:14:17 AM.
CheesesFreak (3:14:23 AM): A tiny tsu, marked by an even tinier tsu?

Auto response from Five75 Haiku (3:14:23 AM): If something has the property that it can reflect green light, but there is no light for it to reflect, is the object still green?

CheesesFreak (3:14:29 AM): ^_^
Five75 Haiku direct connection is closed (3:14:33 AM).

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