WHO IS RALPH SMITH?From Jackson Mississippi? And a Fellow Genepooler.
RALPH SMITH HAS BEEN AROUND PIGEONS AS A KID.His father is a Flying Roller man.They do, and have done more color breeding than the whole of the "GENEPOOL".
At, the National Young Bird Show: If you couldn't find Ralph with his Father, or in the Fantail section; then you would find him talking to Lester Paul Gibson!
He is presently working on frill stencil,(the single recessive gene)toy stemcil,
tail marks,reduced,(see his reduced pictured.)brander bronze,barless and ice.He has taken these genes from other breeds.( The mark of a true "GENEPOOLER"!)
Ralph's definetion of a Genepooler is simple: A good genepooler trades and is able to "CHERRY PICK" available birds from any Member genepooler!!Some birds are however , not on this list.
These exceptions, are made to protect the loss of an individual genepooler's work to date. Some of these PROJECTS are relatively simple, some are not!Toy stencilling and Frill Stenciling, are at least part of the "ORIENTAL FRILL Complex.
We think that this is more fun than being a "SIXER" but BOTH are REQUIREMENTS for the TOTAL ENJOYMENT of this GREAT HOBBY.It doesn't hurt to support your favorite CLUB by Showing at their MEETS.
(NOTE that the DIXIE FANTAIL CLUB was formed for it's local MEMBERS. AS WELL, anybody else that wants to join in with the BEST FANTAIL CLUB in the USA and CANADA)
Ralph sells "pets" to people. He believes that there are more people into fans as pets than Breeders and Exhibitors.
Ralph believes we need more true breeders; but may not give a HOOT about a trophy as much as a Bag of feed.
AS a Genepooler, he gets excited about a RARE color on a great fantail. And, he is willing to sacrifice a WINNING REPUTATION for his Love of the Hobby, and People.
We think a stong, prosperious Hobby can only thrive with all the various types of pigeon people.
Ralph has a Wife and two Children. He lets his children feed and water their own "PETS" Isn't that the way it should be? Are not these our Future Fanciers?
pictures are coming, to show where a Mad, Genetical, color breeder, does his Project Work!His Wife is very supportive of his Hobby.
But, then, Ralph is a very supportive HUSBAND.
A BLACK LACED ORIENTAL FRILL STENCIL COCK BRED BY THE GENEPOOL.
A RED LACED ORIENTAL FRILL STENCIL BRED BY THE GENEPOOLE.
A BROWN LACED YOUNG FANTAILWe recall
JIM saying how it would be(6 years ago??)!!"Bob,Can you picture a BROWN RIBBON TAIL or BROWN LACED FANTAIL." Heck,the browns were not quite made
then! Just one crossover brown from Jim's faded cross(see other page)And, this baby girl was under the weather.... !!!!
THE GENEPOOLE HAS CRACKED SOME OF THE SECRETS OF ORIENTAL FRILL STENCIL.
IT HAS COME TO OUR ATTENTION THAT THE EDITOR OF THE GENETICS NEWS LETTER IS ON LINE
LESTER PAUL'S E MAIL ADDRESS IS: firstname.lastname@example.org IT SHOULD BE QUITE EASY TO REPORT
TO PAUL FOR HIS/"OUR", NEWS LETTER.....
After Lester Paul GIBSON"S astounding discovery that modena bronze might also be ts1;
we believed that the already, show type (better than many standard show fantails)
"MODTAILS"(From modena crosses, but all fantail type)could maybe give the color and type a boost?
It turns out that Lester Paul GIPSON was correct.
The modena bronzes, not only produce reds with laced primaries, and spot tail in baby feather; but always moult!
We firmly believe that infusing same into the lark produced, toy stencils, will be
a great short cut!
If we don't have everything we need with this Modtail/toy stencil fantail combination,
We will also be infusing the Oriental Frill crosses that the Genepoole has produced.
See above pictures.Williard Hollander would call these fantails.(scientist)
We cannot say that frill stencil (fs//fs) is simply recessive, when we cannot produce the expected
1:4 ratio.(Tim Kvidera and others)(Except maybe with ma//ma genome) Still, we haven't raised 16 babies from a pair either! We have noticed
that the infusion of ma//+ seems to help the ts and the fs; but fs also helps ts!! (Jim Ervin) therefore, Making
us think that modena bronze is equal to the other bronzes; excepting the Ka bronzing of Archangels. This cannot be scientifically substantiated, but, we are not Scientists!
nor a "SIXER", but definetly rely on both!
The coloration is just a little expression of ts on typy fantails at Estate Lofts; The ideal coloration is
in the Lofts of the Ervins'. Jim will not move ahead for type until he has his ideal Oriental Frill Stencil Expression.
McColeman of Lindsay Ontario Canada made this cross years ago and upgraded to fantail type; but, with no ts expression.
Ervin, on the other hand, is totally aware of at least one "invisable gene".
At Estate Lofts, we always think of the invisable gene is linked to the better typed fantails. Scientifically unproven, the birds
continue to have the answers. When Bob Pettit failed to produce Ash red/yellow ARGENTS in Modenas;Joe Davin got the birds to produce them from Bob.
Davin also had no luck in several years! He had letters from ts men around the globe.
In steps a non com,a fantail man. Not, the Ice man...just the KID...Grew up with Davin at the Allegheny County fairs. Yes, My mentor!
I came up with this statistical (HAIR BRAINED) IDEA, that we might cross those typier Modenas, bred from the ARGENTS to the laced non ashes.(but bred, also from Argent)
Hence, the idea of the Invisable Gene.Well, Joe bred a bunch of them, after that; and, we had forgotten about what confusion the ma//+
could be differentiated from the ts//+! Both were bronzy!! I through out my ARGENT/ FANTAIL CROSSES and used a black white bar Lark from Maude Naugle of Pa.
That was 30 yrs ago.....Time flys when your having fun?? Norman Lindsay, Texas, Modena breeder...said " Bob, that's a long row to hoe!" Amen old friends...
A powerful bronze schetti cock to a modtail hatched two. One is just a checker.
The other was either an e//e or a bronze schetti. The damn, a fantail hen with great type; was ma//ma!
Guess we will just have to see the next set before we make any guesses.
A top pairing of a sulfur hen and a bronze ma cock bred one recessive red which has a spot tail and laced flights.
A picture will be forthcoming after the tail is fully matured. The type looks unique. Pogue would say that
if you want something different to work with; you should go Cherry Picking! Personally, I feel that it will be very interesting to see how this
little ma squared matures. I am hoping for several more from this pair, so that I can better evaluate, what exactly I have in the genome.
For those who will want close ups , I will have them! But, WHO will see through this one?
We replaced the two good typed bar/barless YH's with two checker//barless lesser typed fantail hens. The reason is to place the barless carriers within reach.
We are attempting to produce show type barless blue saddles. BEWARE, THE IDES of MARCH, FLASH!! OR, those "UNDERMARKS" The "STRING MAN" cannot believe how much diversity
is involved. Maybe equate this to the number of pairs involved?
YOU WILL NOTE THE LACING IN THE FLIGHTS FROM THIS PICTURE.BABY CAKES CANNOT SEE ANY "STRING" , BUT, WE ARE HOPING THAT "BB" CAN?WE WILL DISCUSS THE LEGS AFTER WE HEAR FROM "BB" ! SORRY,NO STRING PICTURED HERE!! TERRIABLE LEGS, no matter which theory you follow!!!
THIS IS A RECESSIVE RED FANTAIL THAT HAS SOME MCKMODTAIL TRAITS;BOTH COLOR AND TYPE.
THIS IS AN OLD WHITE BAR COCK IN THE BREEDING LOFT.THIS IS A PICTURE TO SHOW COLORATION; A TOY STENCIL BLUE BAR FANTAIL.
THE RECESSIVE RED MODTAIL,ABOVE:PRESENTLY, WE WOULD NOT TRY TO GUESS EXACTLY HOW THIS YOUNGSTER WILL MOULT;THAT BEING INVOLVEMENT WITH BOTH COLORATION AND TYPE. BUT, WE ARE A TAD EXCITED WITH THE POSSIBILITY'S OF BOTH TYPE AND COLORATION.
Since we expect that ts1=ma//ma; then we must consider the Skikli complex which hasn't been worked out yet?They say that the Skikli Amara has its own bronzing gene? The above expression may be part of the Shikli bronze; but if and how it is part of the ts/fs/ma complex is yet to be worked out!
Lester Paul Gibson may have the answer? If not, then, we need to call on Williard Hollander!
THIS IS THE RESULTS OF A FIRST CROSS OF MODENA BRONZE ON A TOY STENCIL.WE HOPE THAT THE SLIGHT WHITENING OF THE SHIELD WITH THE PREVALENCE OF THE MODENA BRONZE CAN BE SEEN?
HOW TO USE THE SEXLINKED CHROMOSOME TO IDENTIFY BROWN CARRIERS, by JIM ERVIN
PROJECT GOAL TO PRODUCE GOOD COLORED RED/YELLOW/GOLD SELFS USING A BROWN SELF BASE;RATHER THAN, A KITE BASE.
a.If you have an ash red cock that carrys reduced on his blue chromosome;can we expect all reduced to be blue/black/milky reduced hens?
Project #2:The study of five pairs of Faded on ash red,black,cream; with the blacks being faded.
a.A faded brown ash red cock to a faded brown hen. Both bars and maybe hen is dilute. Cock is either d//d or split-d//+ ! What colors can we expect? What about cross overs?
Band # 805 This YC and the squab below were produced from the Body Mark Cock and milky kf(fantale bronzing/with milky is cinnamon colored/on blue is bronzing)[ts=ma=kf] female/damn....below
These pictures were submitted by DENNY STAPP, Southern INDIANA. DENNY wants to know what color mutant he has here?Also how he can get the white phase consistantly? The second picture is the wing of the same bird #805.
MY ANSWER WAS:
THIS COCK IS A DOMINANT OPAL;IF IT IS Od, then it might be difficult to consistantly produce the white phase again.Pied will help, but who wants white in a laced bird. This is why the Genepool started the toy stencil project!
We also thought, without feathers, that this might be recessive opal that Gary Bronson developed. Gary had
some really good show types several years ago.Alas, Gary hasn't joined us on line, as yet! We are waiting for some History on this fantail, to properly determine whether it is Od or "o"!!!
Here's recessive opal!
THE SQUAB and sib to #805.Certainly is nice if OD? but, how do we tell Dominant opal(Od) from recessive opal? THE MCKAI put in with Reccesive opal. BB in with Od, but hasn't seen Sire and Damn?
Another bid in: Reduced?? We wish it were!
But, with #805 being a cock; not possible!
DENNY STAPP, HOME of THE PASTEL FANTAILS/PASTEL LOFTS
What are these?THE SENDER, DENNY STAPP SAYS THIS RIBBON TAIL IS FROM AN INDIGO ON AN ALMOND. LOOKS LIKE ACROMYTOSIS OF TWO DOMINANTS TO THE WRITER? HEY, GENEPOOLE??
SO, another from DENNY STAPP:We think that the one person to call in on this one is the FEATHER FREAK SPECIALIST...TIM KVIDERA??
Another red ribbontail has been produced without fs//fs. It is NOT nutritional!
We will post a close up pix for all to see. We think it is bronze based. We think
it is part of the ma=ts1=Kall breeds; save Ka which might not be K base. Includin brander, tippler,
and lebanon bronzes to be same base genome. ??
Fulton called them golden duns(they were not S) black kites were bronze in baby feather; but moulted very dark, almost black, but, not spread!
Still, some moulted bright modena bronze or brander bronze , especially with Ka , but, they are not maybe Ka; but K base ingredients.. maybe, not related to Ka!
Lebanon bronze maybe...they come with just tail lacing and spot tails... but, then we also find Oriental frill stencilS in this breed aLSO
This ribbontail is very distinctive white with excellent break. We wonder if this will also moult? Pair that bred this individual has modtails on both sides,as well,Kf..
But, then...maybe we can say: ma=ts1=Kf=K,but not Ka...K is there too...??
Here's a Cinnamon fantailAlias Mck's Kf..Hollander's milky variation. McK's bronze Midget;