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GLEN MATLOCKS VIEW ON MIDGE

Phil: Does that sum up Midge Ure?

Glen: Yeah, I should have known! But I was frightened of losing the deal. I thought Midge had a great voice, but he was namby-pamby, he didn't have it. I thought I was giving him a chance to be tougher than he'd been allowed to be before. I just felt he let me down.

Phil: How do you think the Rich Kids would have fared without Midge?

Glen: I think my career would have done better. When it didn't matter how well you sang back then, I could have got away with it, and I would have been known as a singer.

Phil: What about 'Marching Men', that was one of Midge's?

Glen: Lyrically that was a bit naive, but musically I thought it was good. But I think 'Ghosts', 'Hung On You', 'Marching Men' and 'Strange One' were where the Rich Kids should have been at. If we'd been allowed a bit more time to suss it out that's what we would have ended up with more of. An album of that kind of stuff would have been great. I never personally liked the song 'Rich Kids' that much, and I couldn't understand how 'Rich Kids' was a hit but 'Ghosts' wasn't. I do know really, there was all this stuff going on in the charts with payola, and we were accused of that, which wasn't what happened. The red vinyl 'Rich Kids' single was - not the biggest selling - but the fastest selling record EMI had ever had.

Phil: Was Midge Ure always looking for the main chance, to better himself, as opposed to what was in the best interests of the band itself?

Glen: He was looking for the main chance. I think he was into it, but I only ever 98% thought that Midge was the right bloke. But on the other hand he was probably getting very annoyed with me because I was starting to become a terrible piss artist. I think for a period of time the Rich Kids were a very happening band. We did the business live, we had the house record at the Hampden Palace, and we would get a big crowd everywhere. I remember we did Satellite City up in Glasgow and it was ram-packed.

Phil: There's footage in the film 'DOA' of the Rich Kids performing 'Pretty Vacant'.

Glen: Yeah, I sing the song and Midge gives this really cheesy wink at the camera.

Phil: Do you ever see Midge now?

Glen: I pulled up at the traffic lights on Kew Bridge and thought who's that bloke in this little Mini Cooper? and it was Midge. He had a baseball cap on. Urgh!

Phil: He's lost all his hair now though hasn't he?

Glen: That would be why then!

Phil: Going back to the demise of the group, you were saying that the group had divided into two different camps.

Glen: Well it wasn't working. When a band's happening everybody is happy, and when it's not happening people don't want to know. Rusty and Midge wanted to become New Romantics. In fact they invented it really. There was no money coming in because it was between albums. Me and Steve put our publishing money in to keep the wages going until we started the second album. I walked into rehearsals one day and there was a brand new synthesizer sitting there. Nobody had asked me - and it was my band - whether I wanted a synthesizer in the first place, and more importantly, where had the money come from? It had come out of my publishing money, without me being asked. So I said 'That's the end of it.'